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Tangrowth
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by Tangrowth » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:34 am
Are you feeling satisfied with reaching a certain number in your post count? Post about it here!
I am at 20,580.
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by Marmot » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:02 am
I think I'll retire when I hit 10k posts.
Looks like I missed that train.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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by Tangrowth » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:14 am
Metalmarsh89 wrote: I think I'll retire when I hit 10k posts.
Looks like I missed that train.
What about 15k?
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by Marmot » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:23 am
MovingPictures07 wrote: Metalmarsh89 wrote: I think I'll retire when I hit 10k posts.
Looks like I missed that train.
What about 15k?
If 1k posts = 1 full season in a professional sport, then you and I are certainly well past our prime.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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by Golden » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:53 pm
Jay is about to pass me, but I'm not so far off 10k.
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
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by JaggedJimmyJay » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:57 pm
I'm missing about 1,200 Prisoner 509378 posts.
Y'all are probably safe from me though. I may post a ton in my games, but I don't play as many games as most of you crazies.
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Dom
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by Dom » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:15 am
Sigh. The days of me posting like
this are long gone.
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by Marmot » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:17 am
Dom wrote: Sigh. The days of me posting like
this are long gone.
Dayum Dom! Yeah, that's a lot of posts, especially considering many of them probably came over 5 years ago. :P
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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by Marmot » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:26 am
Dom wrote: Sigh. The days of me posting like
this are long gone.
As someone who never played at LP, it's kind of amazing to look at a
game that happened 5 years ago, and still recognize 14 of the 30 players involved.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dom
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by Dom » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:45 pm
Man, I miss those people.
Also the way we used to play-- we didn't have hosting priviledges. A mod (often times me or Shinny) would have to merge threads for you to get a poll going.
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by Dom » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:45 pm
bring back diamond dog 2k16
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by Tangrowth » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:53 am
Dom wrote: bring back diamond dog 2k16
This.
Dom
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by Dom » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:22 pm
also most of those players pls
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by DharmaHelper » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:31 pm
How many posts do I have
our Linkitis is our lives.
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by Ricochet » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:26 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: How many posts do I have
1 in this thread
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by Vompatti » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:40 pm
bump
Dom
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by Dom » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:38 am
boink
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by Golden » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:31 pm
I hit 10000!
It was my life's ambition to beat Jay to 10000. Now I will drift without life goals.
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
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by Marmot » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:56 pm
I'm closing in on 20k. That's scary stuff.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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by Marmot » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:57 pm
I wonder who has the most posts that were written about the number of posts they've made.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑ Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm
Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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by Golden » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:00 pm
Metalmarsh89 wrote: I wonder who has the most posts that were written about the number of posts they've made.
You don't wonder that. You already know it's you.
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
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by Tangrowth » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:50 pm
Golden wrote: I hit 10000!
It was my life's ambition to beat Jay to 10000. Now I will drift without life goals.
Congrats!
My next milestone is 30,000... which will take a while. Or maybe 25,000, which seems doable.
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by thellama73 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:47 pm
I missed 11111, which means it will be a while until my next milestone. Maybe 12345?
Epignosis wrote: If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
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by Tangrowth » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:51 pm
thellama73 wrote: I missed 11111, which means it will be a while until my next milestone. Maybe 12345?
Dammit, I missed 22,222!
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by Dom » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:47 am
This reminds me of that thread on LP I posted in all the time tbh. I think I had 43,000 there.
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by Tangrowth » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:40 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: Golden wrote: I hit 10000!
It was my life's ambition to beat Jay to 10000. Now I will drift without life goals.
Congrats!
My next milestone is 30,000... which will take a while. Or maybe 25,000, which seems doable.
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by Long Con » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:44 pm
Posting to see what my post count is.
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by Long Con » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:45 pm
Puny compared to all you powerhouses.
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by thellama73 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:50 pm
Long Con wrote: Puny compared to all you powerhouses.
But you've posted more than Vompatti, so that's something.
Posting is expensive in Finland, k
Epignosis wrote: If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
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by Long Con » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:51 pm
thellama73 wrote: Long Con wrote: Puny compared to all you powerhouses.
But you've posted more than Vompatti, so that's something.
Posting is expensive in Finland, k
i feel better k
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by Tangrowth » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:02 pm
Long Con wrote: thellama73 wrote: Long Con wrote: Puny compared to all you powerhouses.
But you've posted more than Vompatti, so that's something.
Posting is expensive in Finland, k
i feel better k
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by Golden » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote:
boom! Well done Epi.
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
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by sprityo » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:39 pm
>When your game is on Day 4 and has 300+ more posts than the GoC 2016
>Your game also has less players.
Epignosis wrote: ↑ Fri May 04, 2018 11:46 pm
You all are terrible at this.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: How does it feel to be the Best Civilian Player on the Syndicate?
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by S~V~S » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:40 pm
Why is this funny?
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
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by sprityo » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:44 pm
it was just the post count. Nothing to do with the content of each respective game of course
Epignosis wrote: ↑ Fri May 04, 2018 11:46 pm
You all are terrible at this.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: How does it feel to be the Best Civilian Player on the Syndicate?
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by JaggedJimmyJay » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:47 am
Overall: 75-57 (.56) | Town 50-42 (.54) | Mafia 19-11 (.63) | Independent 6-4 (.60)
The Syndicate: Town 23-27; Mafia 11-5; Indy 5-1 | RateYourMusic: Town 14-13; Mafia 5-4; Indy 0-3 | Mafia Universe: Town 7-0; Mafia 1-0 | Student Doctor Network: Town 2-1; Mafia 1-0 | HeroClixRealms: Town 1-0; Mafia 0-1 | Bulbagarden: Mafia 0-1; Indy 1-0 | 2+2 POG: Town 1-0 | Naruto Forums: Town 0-1 | Personality Café: Town 1-0 | Vendetta Strada: Town 0-1 | Mafia451: Town 1-0 | Wintreath: Mafia 1-0
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Best Moderator , Maffies 8 and 9
Most Valuable Player , Maffies 7 and 9
Best Roleplay , Maffies 4 and 6
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by Golden » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:09 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
You would have reached that days ago if you just kept posting in phenon with the right account
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
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by Tangrowth » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
About time.
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by Tangrowth » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:35 pm
Also, with this post, apparently now I've made exactly 3,000 posts since I started this thread.
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by Sloonei » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:08 pm
5000 non-sock posts.
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by Tangrowth » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: 5000 non-sock posts.
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by Quin » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: 5000 non-sock posts.
Pick it up, Sloondog. I'm catching up fast.
Lunalee wrote: ↑ Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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by Sloonei » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:56 pm
Quin wrote: Sloonei wrote: 5000 non-sock posts.
Pick it up, Sloondog. I'm catching up fast.
You have the remarkable ability to play in 7 games at once. I can't do that.
p4pc.
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by Quin » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: Quin wrote: Sloonei wrote: 5000 non-sock posts.
Pick it up, Sloondog. I'm catching up fast.
You have the remarkable ability to play in 7 games at once. I can't do that.
p4pc.
I was never aware I had that ability.
Lunalee wrote: ↑ Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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by Golden » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:33 pm
Next year we'll have a 'best at playing in 7 games at once' socky.
Canucklehead wrote: Civ Golden is a hurricane of self-assurance.
G-Man wrote: Coward
Quin
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by Quin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:36 am
I'd also be a great contender for the 'posts way too much' and 'too much time on his hands' awards.
Lunalee wrote: ↑ Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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by JaggedJimmyJay » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:47 am
Quin wrote: I'd also be a great contender for the 'posts way too much' and 'too much time on his hands' awards.
You can pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
Overall: 75-57 (.56) | Town 50-42 (.54) | Mafia 19-11 (.63) | Independent 6-4 (.60)
The Syndicate: Town 23-27; Mafia 11-5; Indy 5-1 | RateYourMusic: Town 14-13; Mafia 5-4; Indy 0-3 | Mafia Universe: Town 7-0; Mafia 1-0 | Student Doctor Network: Town 2-1; Mafia 1-0 | HeroClixRealms: Town 1-0; Mafia 0-1 | Bulbagarden: Mafia 0-1; Indy 1-0 | 2+2 POG: Town 1-0 | Naruto Forums: Town 0-1 | Personality Café: Town 1-0 | Vendetta Strada: Town 0-1 | Mafia451: Town 1-0 | Wintreath: Mafia 1-0
Awards:
The Syndicate
Student Doctor Network
Rate Your Music
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Best Scum , Maffies 3
Best Moderator , Maffies 8 and 9
Most Valuable Player , Maffies 7 and 9
Best Roleplay , Maffies 4 and 6
Spirit Award , Maffies 9
Hall of Fame inductee , Maffies 4
Mafia Universe
Mafia Championship Finalist , 2015 and 2020
Best Town Player , 2020
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Tangrowth
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by Tangrowth » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:30 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Quin wrote: I'd also be a great contender for the 'posts way too much' and 'too much time on his hands' awards.
You can pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
Same here.
If I actually had too much time on my hands, anyway.