Felt Mafia 2 [ENDGAME]

[Marmot]

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

I would never expect myself to offer game-relevant material before Day 3, let alone on Day 0.

Not saying I wouldn't say such things, but I don't want your expectations of me to be too lofty.

[Marmot]

His first post, that llama is evil, is really his most substantive so far, though he's made only 1 post in day 1.

Therefore I cannot be bad. Q.E.D.

Don't complain to me when you get killed Night 1.


So many WIFVOM angles here, how delicious.

This post is a joke post, but also raised my eyebrows because there aren't really WIFOM angles here. The logic doesn't make sense, and calling someone out for the potential of being NK'd N1 rubs me the wrong way.

Yes there are.

I pretended I could kill Epignosis Night 1, a case of WIFOM.

I never nightkill Epignosis, another reason this is a case of WIFOM.


I guess there are only two. What's your point?

[Sorsha]

Back in game-land, I do find it odd that people aren't agreeing with my case, but failing to raise any real points against it, or suggesting a practical alternative.

It's a well thought out case but what it comes down to for me is: If llama is bad why would he go after me like that? He would know I'm civ and what good would going balls to the wall and lynching a civ like that on day one do?

He didn't expect it to work, and he didn't expect you to be lynched. Most people won't blindly follow a guy who says "LYNCH THIS DUDE" for no reason, and Llama had to know that. "Balls to the wall" seems like an exaggeration.

It's just doing stuff in order to make it look like he's doing stuff.

Ok, but putting a vote down as soon as the poll goes up is pretty bold, maybe not balls to the wall but still..

And for not wanting it to work hes at least got two vocal supporters in Scotty and jjj

[Marmot]

The last time Wilgy posted this face when someone didn't do what he wanted, he was bad.

I remember a time when I made a case against you that went just like this.

Nobody listened.

[Epignosis]

o/u for missing votes today is 7.

[Scotty]

Well, I disagree with most of JJJ's outlooks, right down to being more willing to lynch me than all his "meh" reads. It makes my inner voice say "Fuck, fine, maybe I'll just not participate next time so JJJ will get off my damn back!" Then my outer-inner voice says "Shut up, and quit being a whiny bitch or I'll replay that time you had to drown the hamster!" Then my inner voice shuts up and goes " ". Long story long, I thought JJJ was ass-backwards in ASoUE Mafia and he was Civ, so I won't come back hard on him this time.

Do you have a method we could employ to determine who among those "meh" reads is more worth lynching and who is less worth it? I am sure there are bad guys in that pile given the sheer number, but I couldn't begin to determine which ones.

I cannot figure out what game "ASoUE" refers too.

I find that when MM is bad, he isn't afraid to jab at anyone... My memory of his bad games are ingratiating himself with his baddie partners and playing the WIFOM game.

Is that what you find? Is that what you remember? I don't find and remember that, so I am not inclined to straight-up believe you. That said, I do like the angle here, and if it catches a bad marmot, then I applaud your memory. What would it take to get a little citation on these things? A little citation goes a long way.

What Scotty describes was generally true of an evil Marmot in ROTTK. Scotty: are you saying he looks that way in this game too?

Yes. He was quite the WIFOM machine. Of an early memory in a game on another site, i also caught him day 1 with the WIFOM excuse.

I'm caught up. I'm just going to blame Marmot friend for my troubles.

Someone interact with me.

Yeah, see this is the type of thing bad Wilgy and MM did in Three Kingdoms as baddie partners. The only thing missing is Wilgy telling MM to come back into BTSC.

[Scotty]

Made and MP have still not checked in.

I thought I was pegging Epi as Sorsha's running mate but he looks like he's putting a decent effort into hunting, so for now I'll back off.

I'm now unsure of Sorsha's alignment with her candid response, but then I would also respond in a similar manner if someone randomly voted me for not wearing the color blue (or so it feels like). She could still be bad and llama could very well be a pariahlpaca.

On what basis did you think you were accomplishing this? You are acting like Sorsha's guilt is a foregone conclusion.

Why does my effort exonerate me from being Sorsha's teammate? Do I put not effort into hunting when I am bad? What does my effort have to do with Sorsha?

Well, I disagree with most of JJJ's outlooks, right down to being more willing to lynch me than all his "meh" reads. It makes my inner voice say "Fuck, fine, maybe I'll just not participate next time so JJJ will get off my damn back!" Then my outer-inner voice says "Shut up, and quit being a whiny bitch or I'll replay that time you had to drown the hamster!" Then my inner voice shuts up and goes " ". Long story long, I thought JJJ was ass-backwards in ASoUE Mafia and he was Civ, so I won't come back hard on him this time.

In what universe did JaggedJimmyJay participate in A Mafia of Unfortunate Events?

My viewpoint at the time of my first interaction with you was that Sorsha was bad, and you were soft defending her. I am not as certain Sorsha is bad now, and you also are looking more solid all around with your hunting. I don't find you as suspicious, as such.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd be surprised if Wilgy and Marmot behaved that way again as evil teammates since it blew up in their faces in ROTTK.

I guess you could say I am hesitant to drink the wine in front of me.

I do think MM is lynchable on his own power though.

[Scotty]

I have the worst feels for the following people:

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

Scotty- I don't like how he so easily jumped on llamas case on me. It was still day zero and he was already prepping to jump on a Sorsha lynch-train. Very unlike Scotty who is normally a low/no poster voter, especially day one.

DDL- maybe he's just busy but he was a big poster early in ASOUE as a civ and hasn't been yet here. He's been here but like Epi pointed out, hasn't said much.

A Person, blooper, Eloh- no content but have posted

Ok, well. You're sounding pretty defensive for nothing. I haven't voted yet.

What makes you think llama is civ, even though he's the only one with a vote on you?

[Scotty]

Back in game-land, I do find it odd that people aren't agreeing with my case, but failing to raise any real points against it, or suggesting a practical alternative.

It's a well thought out case but what it comes down to for me is: If llama is bad why would he go after me like that? He would know I'm civ and what good would going balls to the wall and lynching a civ like that on day one do?

Ah I see you answered that.

I respond with: why wouldn't he go after you like that? I mean if you're a civ, what's the problem with one of the mafia going rogue immediately? That gives no civ cred in my book.

[Scotty]

His first post, that llama is evil, is really his most substantive so far, though he's made only 1 post in day 1.

Therefore I cannot be bad. Q.E.D.

Don't complain to me when you get killed Night 1.


So many WIFVOM angles here, how delicious.

This post is a joke post, but also raised my eyebrows because there aren't really WIFOM angles here. The logic doesn't make sense, and calling someone out for the potential of being NK'd N1 rubs me the wrong way.

Yes there are.

I pretended I could kill Epignosis Night 1, a case of WIFOM.

I never nightkill Epignosis, another reason this is a case of WIFOM.


I guess there are only two. What's your point?

Oh, you don't? News to me.

I've never stolen the Crown Jewels either. But I do touch them occasionally.

[Scotty]

I'd be surprised if Wilgy and Marmot behaved that way again as evil teammates since it blew up in their faces in ROTTK.

I guess you could say I am hesitant to drink the wine in front of me.

I do think MM is lynchable on his own power though.

Yes it would be poor game strategy to replay in the same way. Doesn't mean they don't have tendencies.

Hell, I have tendencies. I don't know what they are, but I know I got em

If MP or Made check in, I could very well vote one of them.

[insertnamehere]

Might as well make the first move. Or the second move, to be more accurate, thanks to Llama's Sorsha vote.

*votes thellama73*

[Elohcin]

Vote Sorsha. Locked In. Final Answer.

Are votes changeable?

No, which I rather wish I had remembered before casting mine.

But I thought Sorsha was totally baddie?

OMG there are like 5 pages to read and I am SUPER crazy busy today. I thought this was a smaller game folks. SHUT UP! haha, J/k. I will come and read when I can. I'm sorry. Fridays and Mafia don't go well together in my world.

[Scotty]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again.

That first sentence doesn't really make sense lol. Civs aren't fighting each other because you've seen it before.

But you're also agreeing indirectly that there is civ on civ action, and you are not one of the ones with civ on civ action.

Llama, are you civ?

[Scotty]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again.

That first sentence doesn't really make sense lol. Civs aren't fighting each other because you've seen it before.

But you're also agreeing indirectly that there is civ on civ action, and you are not one of the ones with civ on civ action.

Llama, are you civ?

Fixed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again. How many times have SVS and I wasted days attacking each other when we were both civs? How many times has Epignosis done it? Assertive, analytical civilians tend to go after each other. Sure, there's a possibility thta a baddie is hiding among them, but at this early stage in the game, I think we will achieve better results by looking harder at the less active players who may be trying not to call attention to themselves.

To INH:
I'm sorry you don't like my read on Sorsha, but it is genuine. I think little things like tone and emoji use can be baddie tells, especially early in the game, and her posts have just rung incredibly false to me. Why not start off by putting pressure on her and seeing how she responds? So far, her responses have not ben encouraging to me.

You don't like my Hunters/Blenders list that's fine, but I was simply explaining how I view the game these days. In general (not always) I think the people who are making cases and trying to ferret out the bad guys are less likely to be nefarious than the ones trying not to get noticed.

To JJJ:
Regarding your meta analysis, I would just like to add that I went through a period of inactivity through much of 2016 and was unacceptably absent in many of the games I did sign up for. I just didn't have the time or energy to play those games properly. That was a phase that has now ended, so I wouldn't regard it as representative of my style. For more recent examples of me as a FEB, see the Burglaries section.

I like this post. It meshes with the perspective of llama I've had for the most part so far, particularly his reports about how he views the game in general and what motivates his perspectives/behaviors. I don't think it's merely a matter of strategy either, because I have myself adopted and acted upon many of the exact same ideas as a civilian before. He is correct that there is often a tendency for active civilians to gravitate toward suspecting each other because the sample size of their "suspicion-capable" content is larger than it is for less active players.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again.

That first sentence doesn't really make sense lol. Civs aren't fighting each other because you've seen it before.

But you're also agreeing indirectly that there is civ on civ action, and you are not one of the ones with civ on civ action.

Llama, are you civ?

Fixed.

Both of your assertions here confuse me. Your translation of llama's first sentence is incongruous with what he said -- he perceives the game a certain way because it looks familiar to circumstances he has seen in other games before this one. He didn't say or imply that his prior exeriences caused players to be civilian in this game.

The second one I just don't get. Please reword or expand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

I would never expect myself to offer game-relevant material before Day 3, let alone on Day 0.

Not saying I wouldn't say such things, but I don't want your expectations of me to be too lofty.

In a number of recent games I have seen mafia-aligned players excuse themselves for doing nothing based on their perception of their own meta. I am leaning toward a Marmot vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In a number of recent games I have seen mafia-aligned players excuse themselves for doing nothing based on their perception of their own meta. I am leaning toward a Marmot vote.

Two games that come to mind immediately were both offsite, on Vendetta Strada and HeroClix Realms. If anyone cares to see the specifics of those examples, I can share if I am still around. Not going to bother otherwise.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll compile a larger post to more thoroughly describe my suspicion of our friendly neighborhood rodent:

I have fvelt that llama is evil.

His first post was game-relevant. This came immediately after llama's accusation of Sorsha and her initial response. The implication is then that he didn't buy llama's accusation. That's fine, but he has never again visited this suspicion in any posts he has made despite the topic having been a dominant part of the continuing Day 0/1 dialogue. It looks fake to me.

Spoiler: show

Pardon me, I did miss you way down there. Are you a secret role?

That's not much of a secret, if my secrecy is discerned on Day 0 because my name is separated from everyone else.

But you acknowledge it was a secret.

What? No I didn't, and to care about the position of my username at all is inherently dubious.

Spoiler: show

Therefore I cannot be bad. Q.E.D.

Don't complain to me when you get killed Night 1.


So many WIFVOM angles here, how delicious.

I think he has a tendency to force WIFOM into his posts when he is bad. Yes, he does have some history of doing this as a civilian too, but I honestly haven't seen much of that in recent memory (or at least I don't recall it). I'm not sure this meta is balanced between his alignments anymore.

Spoiler: show

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

I would never expect myself to offer game-relevant material before Day 3, let alone on Day 0.

Not saying I wouldn't say such things, but I don't want your expectations of me to be too lofty.

Just mentioned this. Yuck.

Spoiler: show

His first post, that llama is evil, is really his most substantive so far, though he's made only 1 post in day 1.

Therefore I cannot be bad. Q.E.D.

Don't complain to me when you get killed Night 1.


So many WIFVOM angles here, how delicious.

This post is a joke post, but also raised my eyebrows because there aren't really WIFOM angles here. The logic doesn't make sense, and calling someone out for the potential of being NK'd N1 rubs me the wrong way.

Yes there are.

I pretended I could kill Epignosis Night 1, a case of WIFOM.

I never nightkill Epignosis, another reason this is a case of WIFOM.


I guess there are only two. What's your point?

It's important to Marmot that we understand that his WIFOM is WIFOM.

[insertnamehere]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again. How many times have SVS and I wasted days attacking each other when we were both civs? How many times has Epignosis done it? Assertive, analytical civilians tend to go after each other. Sure, there's a possibility thta a baddie is hiding among them, but at this early stage in the game, I think we will achieve better results by looking harder at the less active players who may be trying not to call attention to themselves.

To INH:
I'm sorry you don't like my read on Sorsha, but it is genuine. I think little things like tone and emoji use can be baddie tells, especially early in the game, and her posts have just rung incredibly false to me. Why not start off by putting pressure on her and seeing how she responds? So far, her responses have not ben encouraging to me.

You don't like my Hunters/Blenders list that's fine, but I was simply explaining how I view the game these days. In general (not always) I think the people who are making cases and trying to ferret out the bad guys are less likely to be nefarious than the ones trying not to get noticed.

To JJJ:
Regarding your meta analysis, I would just like to add that I went through a period of inactivity through much of 2016 and was unacceptably absent in many of the games I did sign up for. I just didn't have the time or energy to play those games properly. That was a phase that has now ended, so I wouldn't regard it as representative of my style. For more recent examples of me as a FEB, see the Burglaries section.

I like this post. It meshes with the perspective of llama I've had for the most part so far, particularly his reports about how he views the game in general and what motivates his perspectives/behaviors. I don't think it's merely a matter of strategy either, because I have myself adopted and acted upon many of the exact same ideas as a civilian before. He is correct that there is often a tendency for active civilians to gravitate toward suspecting each other because the sample size of their "suspicion-capable" content is larger than it is for less active players.

Once again, you're assuming that there are more active civilians than there are active mafia members, and that's just fallacious thinking.

Active does not equal civ, which is the trap Llama wants you to fall into.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Once again, you're assuming that there are more active civilians than there are active mafia members, and that's just fallacious thinking.

Active does not equal civ, which is the trap Llama wants you to fall into.

I didn't say I agree with llama; I said I understand his mindset. I am not reading all of the active players as civilians, with Long Con being the primary point of controversy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

llama himself didn't say active = civilian either. He said that activity is more often a civilian indicator than not (which is completely true). He granted that there can be exceptions to that rule, but recommended a focus on less active players for Day 1. I have no problem with that concept and I don't think it's fallacious.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to have to place my vote soon. There's a good chance I won't be able to post at all this evening. If anyone has a reason to reject my suspicion of Marmot, give 'em to me now.

[Marmot]

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

I would never expect myself to offer game-relevant material before Day 3, let alone on Day 0.

Not saying I wouldn't say such things, but I don't want your expectations of me to be too lofty.

In a number of recent games I have seen mafia-aligned players excuse themselves for doing nothing based on their perception of their own meta. I am leaning toward a Marmot vote.

Mafia is really going to shit the day that a player is accused for not having enough game-relevant content on Day 0.

In a number of recent games (and in the history of mafia in general), I have seen mafia-aligned players offer little-to-no content while the noisy civilians yell at each other about which one of the other noisy civilians is the scummiest.

Consider me annoyed. I was hoping for a fun low-key Mongoose game, but Day 1 rolls around, and I'm a suspect for having fun.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia is really going to shit the day that a player is accused for not having enough game-relevant content on Day 0.

You made that post on Day 1, not Day 0. Relevant content is a point of suspicion in perhaps every game ever played, so if that's the reason Mafia is going to shit then Mafia has always been shit.

In a number of recent games (and in the history of mafia in general), I have seen mafia-aligned players offer little-to-no content while the noisy civilians yell at each other about which one of the other noisy civilians is the scummiest.

I don't understand what this has to do with what I said. This point is actually the very same as the one made by llama earlier in this thread. You called llama evil in your first post. What of that?

Consider me annoyed. I was hoping for a fun low-key Mongoose game, but Day 1 rolls around, and I'm a suspect for having fun.

I've no intention to annoy, though that is unfortunately a likely result of any suspicion. The intensity of any game is decided by its players, not its host.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gotta run. Voted MM.

[Marmot]

In a number of recent games (and in the history of mafia in general), I have seen mafia-aligned players offer little-to-no content while the noisy civilians yell at each other about which one of the other noisy civilians is the scummiest.

I don't understand what this has to do with what I said. This point is actually the very same as the one made by llama earlier in this thread. You called llama evil in your first post. What of that?

In your first post of the game, you said you were Brett Favre. I did not take you seriously.

[DrWilgy]

I'm caught up. I'm just going to blame Marmot friend for my troubles.

Someone interact with me.

Yeah, see this is the type of thing bad Wilgy and MM did in Three Kingdoms as baddie partners. The only thing missing is Wilgy telling MM to come back into BTSC.

Scotty, you should've pm'd me in btsc before saying that.

@Llama, after calling out Sriracha did you honestly expect her to be a hunter?
Also -

Vote Sorsha. Locked In. Final Answer.

Are votes changeable?

No, which I rather wish I had remembered before casting mine.

Why did you wish you had remembered before casting your vote if you were locked in and this was your final answer?


I disagree with the Marmot Friend vote and will oppose his lynch today.

[Long Con]

Hey, home from work, gonna catch up.

[Long Con]

Look at DDL's post history. If you are lazy, here:

Spoiler: show

Hey guys what's up.

This started suddenly. I was expecting it to take longer.

Been a while since I've last played a speed game here, I think. I love those.

Spoiler: show

That wasn't my interpretation. I thought the mafia team's sole killer was the dude with the straps -- that roll kills every night as long as both straps are intact. My first guess is that this means this role must be destroyed twice (once for each strap).

Mongoose, if you're able to clarify anything about this that'd be swell. If not, okee dokee.

Since there is only one Baddie/Mafia team, they have the ability to kill nightly.

With a maximum potential of 2 baddie nightkills each night, if both straps come loose?

This is an excellent question. The right strap can only kill on even nights and the left strap on odd nights, so it's impossible for both straps to be loose at the same night since a night cannot be both even and odd (watch llama have an explanation for how this is possible).

A number is considered oddly even if it is only divisible by one (1) even number.

So Night 2 will see two (2) nightkills.

I think you are mistaking odd numbers for prime numbers.

Spoiler: show

Can you guys stop harassing the host and do some baddie hunting? I found Sorsha. What have you done?

You must be fun at parties.

Once people get bored of your fez.

Then he bitches about this:

That said, I'm always in for voting for players who spent all game talking about game mechanics instead of hunting scum.

DDL didn't accomplish anything in his own posts, so why does he want to go after guys who talked mechanics?

Yeah, I'd vote DDL.

I find myself agreeing with this.

Fair. The last post there is the one I liked from DDL because I've known him to be willing to lynch people for reasons that I'd call more strategy-relevant than alignment-relevant. You're correct though that there is hypocrisy in that given his empty posts before that.

I cannot recall seeing a time when hypocrisy had any connection to alignment. If anything, I would theorize that baddies are more likely to take care not to be a hypocrite, because their behaviour has a certain level of craft necessary... on the flip side, a Civ barrels forward, unconcerned for the most part with how they look as they find the baddies, and thus be easier targets for the hypocrisy accusation angle.

That isn't to say I want to defend DDL specifically, this is something I wish to monitor over multiple games, because I do see the hypocrisy accusation come up here and there. I don't think it holds water.

Oh, and this seems like a civvy JJJ. His initial suspicions mirrored my own, and he's not afraid to get dirty with a few people already.

Question: would llama make a gambit of making a shoddy case and voting for his baddie partner Sorsha's at all? Is that something he's wont to do?

Sure he would. Llama likes to be clever. DID he do it? I don't know. Do you want people to think he did it?

In what universe did JaggedJimmyJay participate in A Mafia of Unfortunate Events?

In the universe where his name is Dragon D Luffy. Sorry guys, I remembered it wrong. It was DDL that I butted heads with in ASoUE, not JJJ, who did not play that game.

The gif is from the final episode of Twin Peaks.

I originally used the gif as my avatar on the NarutoForums where I signed up to play DDL and Soneji's massive game.

Here's the original:



Oddly enough, when I shrunk it in order to make it work on this site, it seemed to glitch out. I honestly quite like it, as it ironically really suits the context of the episode the gif is taken from.

If it does twist other people's knickers, I will change it, though.

If you want it clean:

~~~ Long Con, TS Graphic Design

.... Gonna post and continue my catchup from this last quote.

[Long Con]

The last time Wilgy posted this face when someone didn't do what he wanted, he was bad.

You aren't wrong. What game was this though?

Linki - I remember that post. 1 second.

You never followed up on this. Felt like a nice, solid citation was coming.

In a number of recent games I have seen mafia-aligned players excuse themselves for doing nothing based on their perception of their own meta. I am leaning toward a Marmot vote.

Two games that come to mind immediately were both offsite, on Vendetta Strada and HeroClix Realms. If anyone cares to see the specifics of those examples, I can share if I am still around. Not going to bother otherwise.

Citation. Vague citation, but citation nonetheless. JJJ is good at getting points, if I had points to give.

Once again, you're assuming that there are more active civilians than there are active mafia members, and that's just fallacious thinking.

Active does not equal civ, which is the trap Llama wants you to fall into.

I didn't say I agree with llama; I said I understand his mindset. I am not reading all of the active players as civilians, with Long Con being the primary point of controversy.

Nah man. You're confused, I'm as Civvie as they come.

Vote Sorsha. Locked In. Final Answer.

Are votes changeable?

No, which I rather wish I had remembered before casting mine.

Why did you wish you had remembered before casting your vote if you were locked in and this was your final answer?

Yeah.

Still looks like Llama is my vote today.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Quin's immediate response to being given an early positive read was to poke me about it. I like.

The fact that I was one of the eight names doesn't matter at all actually. I'm curious because I think there should be some instance of overlap with that many people.

I don't think his intention was to make a comprehensive list of reads on all players, just point out people who pinged him one way or another.

[Long Con]

Hmm, I thought I had fifteen minutes to vote, but it's four hours and fifteen minutes. I'll think a little longer, but I'm going out in a couple of hours, so I'm going to vote before I go in case I forget to sneak off and phone in a vote later.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm trying to catch up but whether I succeed will depend on phone internet connection and battery. Might miss the day end.

[Marmot]

At this moment, I would vote a low-non poster or Dragon D. Luffy based on the case Epignosis put forth.

[Mongoose]

Hello my dears. The following is a message from Casual Friday Work Jeans:

"Hi guys!

It's Friday, and that means I get to share my thoughts with you. I am a pair of jeans with thoughts to share. Here's some thoughts.

Everybody make posts! Type things into your text boxes and press submit! HELLO??? Even if you don't want to catch up with the whole thread, just read the stuff on the last page and work off of that. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it. Just look at me, I'm a pair of jeans with thoughts to share.

Be very wary of shenanigans in this game. Look at all those jeans that can affect the votes. I recommend we avoid ties so that we have a chance of discerning what happened in the case of shenanigans. Okay, I think that's all I have to say. See you next Friday, everyone. "

[Marmot]

Hello my dears. The following is a message from Casual Friday Work Jeans:

"Hi guys!

It's Friday, and that means I get to share my thoughts with you. I am a pair of jeans with thoughts to share. Here's some thoughts.

Everybody make posts! Type things into your text boxes and press submit! HELLO??? Even if you don't want to catch up with the whole thread, just read the stuff on the last page and work off of that. Anything is possible if you put your mind to it. Just look at me, I'm a pair of jeans with thoughts to share.

Be very wary of shenanigans in this game. Look at all those jeans that can affect the votes. I recommend we avoid ties so that we have a chance of discerning what happened in the case of shenanigans. Okay, I think that's all I have to say. See you next Friday, everyone. "

I agree with the Jeans. Ties are off-limits.

[Long Con]

Going out, voting Llama.

[thellama73]

To Long Con:
The reason I think there is a lot of civ on civ action this game is because I've seen it too many times before. The active, Gung-Ho baddie hunters attack one another, simply because there is more material there to attack, these attacks lead to NO Us, then confirmation bias, then tunneling, then a bunch fo dead civs. It's a pattern I see over and over again.

That first sentence doesn't really make sense lol. Civs aren't fighting each other because you've seen it before.

But you're also agreeing indirectly that there is civ on civ action, and you are not one of the ones with civ on civ action.

Llama, are you civ?

They;'re not fighting each other because I've seen it before, but they are fighting each other in an identical way to waht I've seen before.

I am civ. So civ it would blow your mind. In fact, supatown.

[thellama73]

I don't think I've ever seen MM annoyed before. It makes me distrust him.

[Marmot]

I don't think I've ever seen MM annoyed before. It makes me distrust him.

I've had a good track records of not being lynched recently, so I don't understand why a Day 1 interest developed here.

Scotty's accusation is inaccurate (the one where claims I poke with pointy teeth), because he ignores my civilian tendencies. I dislike his angle.

[thellama73]

I don't think I've ever seen MM annoyed before. It makes me distrust him.

I've had a good track records of not being lynched recently, so I don't understand why a Day 1 interest developed here.

Scotty's accusation is inaccurate (the one where claims I poke with pointy teeth), because he ignores my civilian tendencies. I dislike his angle.

But you are usually such a chill customer.

[Marmot]

I don't think I've ever seen MM annoyed before. It makes me distrust him.

I've had a good track records of not being lynched recently, so I don't understand why a Day 1 interest developed here.

Scotty's accusation is inaccurate (the one where claims I poke with pointy teeth), because he ignores my civilian tendencies. I dislike his angle.

But you are usually such a chill customer.

True. What do you suppose it means (because I don't really know)?

[DrWilgy]

The last time Wilgy posted this face when someone didn't do what he wanted, he was bad.

You aren't wrong. What game was this though?

Linki - I remember that post. 1 second.

You never followed up on this. Felt like a nice, solid citation was coming.

It was, but then school stuff got in the way. The tl;dr is I agree with the case. Putting Sriracha in the blending player category felt more condemning than his vote. what did llama expect after calling her out? Was he hoping she would go "and here's a case?"

Now that Llama is catching up, I hope to have a response soon.

[Boomslang]

Alright, finally catching up on all of this. Biggest thread of the thread so far seems to be the Sorsha/Llama spat, and I'm leaning slightly bad on Sorsha because of it. I think JJJ's analysis of the response timing and nature is useful:

I can understand. It's jarring for anyone to be facing an accusation so quickly after a game begins. His accusation came two minutes after your post, as you said, and then your joke response to that came 11 minutes after that. To me that looks a player who is briefly frozen by unexpected pressure searching for a way to approach it.

All for one line and an emoticon? Seriously? How am I supposed to respond to that?

In terms of defense, you're probably not supposed to respond to that. Some accusations don't facilitate defense. It isn't ideal, but a civilian must still render them when they apply. Instead of a defense, I would anticipate a more exploratory response to llama than the one you provided -- even if you believed it was a joke.

However, I think JJJ got away with blaming Sorsha for the use of timestamps. Sorsha just used the phrase "literally two minutes" to describe llama's post. JJJ then emphasizes Sorsha's own timing on his own, and in a later post says, "I wasn't going to mention the timestamps until you brought them up first." That strikes me as shifty.

LC makes an interesting read about Quin buffing up post count through repeated pokes at the same idea (lack of overlap in JJJ's reads). Leaning slightly good on him for that and the follow up posts.

I disagree with INH that llama is pushing a narrative that benefits him. He left his own name off the blender/hunter list, and I don't think he made the strong claim to hunterdom that INH is suggesting.

Epi makes a simple but sensible read on DDL's inconsistency. And DDL has since posted, but not addressed it.

MM feels honest about his minor frustration over the state of game.

Will cast vote once things develop more/I drink it in.

[Quin]

Boomslang, did you read the entire discourse between me and LC? I struggle to see how you can be on board with the 'boosting my post count' idea if you had done so.

I also disagree with your stance on 3J. I'd ideally have done the same thing, because it allows Sorsha to confirm or deny whether she was watching the thread without realising it.

[Scotty]

Doing rehearsal shit. Caught up and see that Made and MP still haven't checked in. Bad.

Voting MP because I expect at least a check in at this point.

[insertnamehere]

If you want it clean:

~~~ Long Con, TS Graphic Design

Thank you very much sir!