Felt Mafia 2 [ENDGAME]

#1401

Boomslang wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Boomslang, it'd be ideal for you to at least answer to Quin's allegations.

oh hi, linki
I voted for you because I thought you were in the wrong about LC and being overly pushy/thread-controlling about it. If Quin calls that "disingenuous," that's his problem, not mine. I've stepped back from that position after your immunity claim, because think that claim was a civ move meant to get the town moving in more productive lynch directions, which it in fact did. My line about returning suspicion was meant to reflect that the lynch was not in fact tied in the poll—Quin had the vote lead. I had assumed people would thus go for Quin first, and then pursue other targets at their leisure, but conveniently he wasn't on the Day 3 poll.

Linki w/Quin: You're just mad because I found your other teammate.

Then put your damn money where your mouth is and prove it.

#1402

If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

#1403

Boomslang wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Boomslang, it'd be ideal for you to at least answer to Quin's allegations.

oh hi, linki
I voted for you because I thought you were in the wrong about LC and being overly pushy/thread-controlling about it. If Quin calls that "disingenuous," that's his problem, not mine. I've stepped back from that position after your immunity claim, because think that claim was a civ move meant to get the town moving in more productive lynch directions, which it in fact did. My line about returning suspicion was meant to reflect that the lynch was not in fact tied in the poll—Quin had the vote lead. I had assumed people would thus go for Quin first, and then pursue other targets at their leisure, but conveniently he wasn't on the Day 3 poll.

Linki w/Quin: You're just mad because I found your other teammate.

It was a tie with an almost even split between half the players. Half a player roster doesn't go after the one with seemingly the most votes just because there was a tie. This just feels fake as shit.

#1404

PEOPLE I'D BE UP FOR VOTING:

JaggedJimmyJay
thellama73
Quin

If you GTH asked me who the two baddie teammates are right now, I'd say Llama and Quin.

#1405

insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.

I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

#1406

nijuukyugou wrote:
thellama73 wrote:To Made's point, when I've made frustrated "just lynch me already" appeals in the past, I've almost always ben civ. It's something I see a lot less from baddies.

Someone has to be first, so I will place my vote on INH now. We will see if he really protected himself or not.
But wait...didn't you avoid voting for JJJ because he claimed he had an immunity? Why are you less inclined to believe INH?

INH never claimed he used his immunity today, and his morose attitude indicates he did not.

nijuukyugou wrote: You were gung-ho against JJJ in several posts up until:
thellama73 wrote: I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.
Calling shenanigans on this. Everything about him looks bad, except your heart says he's good? JJJ doesn't play a panicked game. I've never seen the dude panic. And deserving to live another phase if he's bad?? What??

I don't buy it. He's been too helpful. It's possible he's bad, but I don't think so. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts. And haven't you ever heard of respect for a worthy foe?

nijuukyugou wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?
Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?
Wait, Quin has a "spirited self-defense"? I hardly call "lynch me, go ahead and do it!" a self-defense, let alone spirited. And you mentioned before that if you were in the position of the current baddies (possibly one active baddie with absentee teammates) that you would "also be apathetic and depressed" in the thread, but I don't believe that, and I don't think you really do, either (of most other people). That statement makes me think you're just digging for something against INH.

That is not the extent of Quin's self-defense, as you well know. I spent the better part of all night arguing with him, remember?

nijuukyugou wrote: Your last vote makes you look good, but your recent posts stink to me.

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Everything stinks to you, Blooper. You live in the ocean.

#1407

Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.
I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

If you're a civilian I would urge you not to do that. There are numerous ways where your alignment could become more evident than it is right now. You're not an obligatory lynch in this or any phase.

#1408

Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.
I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.

ygolohcysp is what this is.

You defended yourself super hard in Mad Max, and I'm not surprised to see you doing it here.

#1409

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I've changed my mind. I think all the remaining players should vote for Elohcin 2.0.
Why?

Juliets reminded me that I had the list of potential baddies narrowed down to Elohcin, INH, JJJ, Long Con, Quin, and Juliets herself.

I don't think more than one of the Axis of Evil is bad. I don't think Juliets is bad, because I don't think MP would have self-voted in that situation. I don't think JJ is bad, because reasons.

Ergo, Elohcin must be bad. Q.E.D.

#1410

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If I'm not in imminent danger of being lynched, I'd probably be most inclined to vote Quin today. The truth of the matter is that until the whole "1 baddie in the LC/Quin/INH" trio thing is debunked, my head is gonna be on the chopping block.

I'd rather get ahead and save my head by voting Quin, who has been in my shortlist of suspects for a while now. It's a high risk/high reward situation. Until the possible baddie in the trio is caught, I'm going to keep taking heat, and the civilians will be stuck with the same topics of conversation. If I'm wrong about Quin, I also accept that I will almost definitely be going home D5.

I'm willing to take that risk.
I'd rather you did vote me. The fact that I'm still alive is off-putting and I think that there's some serious shit going on behind the scenes. I'll even self-vote if it comes to that.
If you're a civilian I would urge you not to do that. There are numerous ways where your alignment could become more evident than it is right now. You're not an obligatory lynch in this or any phase.

I'm either voting for llama, Boomslang or myself. I might not be an obligatory lynch, but I am a beneficial one.

#1411

Boomslang wrote:Hmm, so many lynch immunities claimed. Assuming they're all true, all we have to do is wait out another day before we can return to business as usual... which I'm prepared to do. On further reflection, I'm worried about the INH-LC-Quin "axis of evil." All of them, plus Wilgy, voted for llama on Day 1. Would three of those four have made that vote if they were all in fact mafia? Maybe two of them, but I doubt they'd leave themselves that open.

And with two of them claiming immunity, I'd like to talk about Made. Missed the first vote, voted JJJ late to tie the poll for Day 2, then piled on the Wilgy train late on Day 3. At 11 posts, he's active enough not to be a shameful low poster. His first big substantive post includes a short defense of Quin. He says he doesn't want to force a tie by voting JJJ, then does so anyway. Slowly adjusts his criticism of Quin to match the thread consensus while tempering it with a healthy dose of WIFOM.

The logic of not switching my vote was that doing so was more likely to break the tie rather than fix it with vote changers in play. Figured it didn't make sense to test that luck twice.

#1412

I am pleased with the effort juliets has given in her earliest attempts to catch up. I acknowledge that the pressure is minimized when she's immune to being lynched, but I don't think she had to do this. She could have lurked around for a while and gotten to know the game through BTSC instead.

#1413

I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

#1414

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

It's Elohcin, Jimmy. I've cracked it.

#1415

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so as Elo 1.0 I got an eerie feeling about jjj but didn't bring it up because I had too much to think about with quin. But this lynch doesn't look good on him. So, he is added to my list of possible baddies. So far I have jjj, quin, and epi that I will look at more throughout the night and day 4.

This is pretty yikes. How can I integrate myself into the anti-JJJ environment of the thread?

#1416

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Okay, so as Elo 1.0 I got an eerie feeling about jjj but didn't bring it up because I had too much to think about with quin. But this lynch doesn't look good on him. So, he is added to my list of possible baddies. So far I have jjj, quin, and epi that I will look at more throughout the night and day 4.
This is pretty yikes. How can I integrate myself into the anti-JJJ environment of the thread?

Pretty yikes, but also pretty sloppy if bad. But also yes, pretty yikes.

#1417

I voted for Elohcin.

#1418

Yeah, just gonna put my money where my mouth is and bite the bullet. Voting JJJ.

#1419

I also get the impression Elohcin felt obligated to suspect Epignosis because of his circumstantial suspicion without regard for other things that might affect that read on him.

#1420

nijuukyugou wrote:Yeah, just gonna put my money where my mouth is and bite the bullet. Voting JJJ.

I understand. Maybe someday we can heal the wounds of Transistor. Maybe someday we can be at peace.

#1421

What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

#1422

If 3J does have the lynch immunity, I could see him waiting to play it until the day after he's under heavy suspicion just to fuck with people.

He's a very craftsy individual. I bet his first grade macaroni portraits were stunning.

#1423

i'm not saying that 3j is keyser soyze

but he's totally keyser soyze

#1424

insertnamehere wrote:i'm not saying that 3j is keyser söze

but he's totally keyser söze

EBWOP

damn umlauts

#1425

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

#1426

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

Her vote against Wilgy was opportunistically timed, the timing and circumstances of her replacing back in are suspicious (although I am less sympathetic to this part of the case, as expounded by Epignosis) and she asked for a day to explain herself and then promptly disappeared. Her predecessor, AP, was basically an absentee.

Bad voting record. Bad participation. That combined with the process of elimination I outlined above makes me thing she is surely bad.

#1427

Damn, I just posted almost eactly the same thing as JJJ. No wonder people think we're teammates.

#1428

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

I hope so. The next person who pulls this as a valid reason to suspect her is gonna get it.

#1429

insertnamehere wrote:He's a very craftsy individual. I bet his first grade macaroni portraits were stunning.

I once puked on a substitute teacher in the second grade. That's when they knew I was going to be somebody.

#1430

I can't really suspect her for her absence or lack or participation. I've seen active baddie Eloh's and inactive baddie Eloh's. Ultimately I think I just suck at reading activity levels as an indication of alignment.

I agree that her voting record since subbing back in sucks. It was insignificant since the train was already a runaway.

#1431

Quin. Would you be willing to vote Llama with me?

#1432

I'm excited about this lynch. This game is really shaping up to be a good'un.

#1433

If y'all are going to be crazy, please just don't force a tie FFS.

#1434

insertnamehere wrote:Quin. Would you be willing to vote Llama with me?

Yuh.

#1435

Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Quin. Would you be willing to vote Llama with me?
Yuh.

#YOLO

#1436

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?
~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

I guess this has blossomed into more than just the circumstantial case Epi gave when she replaced back in.

I could go this route today since no one wants to vote jay with me.

#1437

I'll be honest, I think the civvies have this game in the bag. It would displease me to see you guys waste the opportunity cost of lynching me instead of a baddie, but I expect I'll win anyway, so it's not the end of the world.

But what about my voting record screams baddie to you? I campaigned against Wilgy, and he tried to save DDL by voting me. Do you think we pre-arranged to bus each other from Day 1?

#1438

Sorsha wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?
~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.
I guess this has blossomed into more than just the circumstantial case Epi gave when she replaced back in.

I could go this route today since no one wants to vote jay with me.

He's also an option.

#1439

llama voters: what does this mean to you if anything?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

#1440

Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?

#1441

I didn't think I was going to be able to vote tonight given the lack of time I had to catch up but I didn't realize the end time was later tonight than it has been. The Elo vote makes real sense to me and I am leaning voting there.

#1442

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?

You know, contrary to popular belief, I don't just ride my conclusions to hell.

#1443

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?
You know, contrary to popular belief, I don't just ride my conclusions to hell.

Your current suspicions appear to be the same as they were on Day 1 for the most part.

#1444

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Long Con wrote:JJJ is my favourite person in this game, because I'd probably be nightkilled by now if it weren't for him.
This is a new point about Long Con I am thinking about. On a couple occasions he has asserted that he's pleased to receive some suspicion because it dissuades his being night killed. In this comment he says he'd have probably been night killed without my aggression.

I don't know why he'd feel that way. Even without me in the equation, his voting record is still bad and there's still no objective evidence in his favor. I don't see why he'd ever be night killed over the people who have been targeted (Boomslang and Marmot were both strongly trusted after the DDL lynch, and Elohcin 1.0 had roleblocker cred).

On some level this reads to me like a bad guy feeling the need to justify his continued survival.

He's old school, that's why.

#1445

After a bit of reading, nothing I've seen has really changed my view. I'm more on side for a Quin vote but willing to Vote INH if no one else want to vote there.

#1446

All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

#1447

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Quin, somewhere in your lamentations about being so sorely wrong in this game so far, have you considered reassessing your reads?
You know, contrary to popular belief, I don't just ride my conclusions to hell.
Your current suspicions appear to be the same as they were on Day 1 for the most part.

I don't know why this would mean anything. They have changed, for the most part.

linki: Because she is a less-than promising candidate. She feels like a good Day 1 lynch right now. That doesn't fly here.

#1448

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

What do we learn if she flips civ?

#1449

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

She's not here to defend herself, which I know is an "old-school" reason not to Lynch someone but you asked.

#1450

Quin wrote:I don't know why this would mean anything. They have changed, for the most part.

linki: Because she is a less-than promising candidate. She feels like a good Day 1 lynch right now. That doesn't fly here.

It would mean that you're either very stubborn or you're fake. Neither is ideal. I think you are 0 for 3 in your Boomslang/llama/JJJ triumvirate and those seem to be the names you've been most interested in hanging for quite some time now. I have a new challenge for you:

Tell me why your suspects are civilians.

What's the next Felt (pick a material)?