Just going through Llama's posts to see what I see. I'll quote anything that I think is a bit sketchy.
thellama73 wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:thellama73 wrote:Vote Sorsha. Locked In. Final Answer.
Are votes changeable?
No, which I rather wish I had remembered before casting mine.
I think it was discussed a bit at the time, but why does Llama act regretful when he voted Sorsha "Locked In. Final Answer."?
thellama73 wrote:Mongoose wrote:In this game, you can change your answers in non-lynch polls but not in lynch polls.
I know that NOW!
Which is it? Do you know it NOW, or do you wish you had remembered it?
thellama73 wrote:In my opinion, there's a lot of civ on civ squabbling going on up in here, and a lot of baddie coasting and laughing. Also, a lot of Llama going to bed.
As I said when he first said this: That opinion makes me feel suspicious, because I do not understand how a Civ could formulate it. In the parlance of our times: how the f*ck would you think that?
IF it's true that the main arguments are Civ on Civ, then there are four players who know that for sure, and correctly identifying such a thing could be a way to get that baddie some buddying-style Civ cred. As in, each Civ in this big Civ on Civ conflict can think "I'm a Civ, so Llama is at least reading me right and trying to steer this game in the right direction!"
thellama73 wrote:I also agree with the players saying that DDL sounds civ. He sounds civ to me too, particularly his post about game mechanics.
Straight-up defense of a baddie. Note that Llama doesn't just say "I think he's civ and here's why", he's puts it out there as an agreement with other opinions. It's not coming from Llama, it's coming from "the players" he's agreeing with.
thellama73 wrote:I certainly think Epignosis looks good after this result, and while it's conceivable that it's an elaborate ploy, it's very unlikely, so I will put him aside for a while. A few of the other DDL voters look pretty good too, and I'm even willing to give Sorsha a second chance. It would have ben very easy for her to justify a vote for me if she were bad.
I think Long Con and INH likely had pure motivations for their votes, which leaves Quin and Wilgy as the most suspicious. I also want to take a look at those who avoided both wagons, as that's usually the smart play for baddies early in the game.
Accuses Quin and Wilgy based on their Day 1 votes, after he has already been building a case on Quin.
thellama73 wrote:I find the theory that the mafia blocked their own kill when they are already a man down on Day 2 very unlikely. But I would like to hear Wilgy give an account of himself before I vote for Quin.
I can't see any mention of Wilgy between this, and Llama's vote for Quin. He focuses entirely on Quin for quite a number of posts.
He does jump in early on the Wilgy vote, but as Scotty said, it was almost a foregone conclusion that Wilgy was going down.
Here's a bonus quote from Wilgy:
DrWilgy wrote:@Marmot my top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk.
I would've probably voted for JJJ yesterday had I been around, while mostly tonal, his stance on his suspects has been too rigid for what I expect of JJJ. I think a good comparison is his performance in Mad Max (civilian) where during my lynch he was jumping in and out of suspicion on multiple people. I'm not seeing anything comparable to Mad Max JJJ.
Nothing has improved my read on Llama, but his discussion with Quin yesterday has actually reinforced the negative tones I felt before. I suppose something that does make me doubt my original read on Llama slightly is the lack of INH. I don't know where his suspicion of Llama went even though it was similar to mine.
The part that throws me for a loop is that I feel no reason to remove the possibility that JJJ and Llama are teammates. A pattern of 2 high posters would normally cause me to assume that only 1 of them could be bad, but I do not feel that this time.
Does a baddie list all Civs as his suspects, or does he mix in a teammate for good measure? We know JJJ wasn't. And he tries to link Llama and JJJ as teammates as well, which allows Llama to be sort of "off the hook" when JJJ turns up Civ.
I'm going to post this now, I'm not up to present day posts, but I have to step away for a bit.