2016 Game of Champions - Beach [Night 2]

[Golden]

Each sock person, that is. Provided they don't mind as guessing at them, then I think it's ok.

[S~V~S]

Plus now would be a good time to discuss the baddies in the other thread now that we have had a Lynch.

Linki @ Golden, Sloonei

[Golden]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

How do you feel about his role in the Mac thing? Did you forget about how responsible he was for that, when you voted him? Or do you think it isn't a very persuasive argument for him being good? Or was your vote more symbolic about his content than being fully convinced he was bad?

Back down with the righteous indignation cowboy. I don't recall what every person said in the other thread. I was judging based on THIS thread and in THIS thread I was not impressed.

Linki Prisoner Donna an Coltrane I am sure about.

Didn't mean it indignantly. Just trying to be clear as to where your mindset was.

I also voted MM nut no-one saw it. But I did it for lols because he wanted to do live commentary of my voting.

[Thundercat]

so... like... how am i role playing at all?

[Golden]

Plus now would be a good time to discuss the baddies in the other thread now that we have had a Lynch.

Linki @ Golden, Sloonei

Sloonei was my bet too. It fits with him understanding Mac's meta, but missing a lot of RM people.

The other three I have in mind as not ruled out are - rico (who I know can play up fake meta tells to appear to be others), zebra, and nutella.

Re the other thread, I hope that they lynched sig. I feel very strongly about him.

[Thundercat]

if i'm role playing, i sck at role playing.

bea and juliets have both said i am role playing.

describe.

[S~V~S]

Plus now would be a good time to discuss the baddies in the other thread now that we have had a Lynch.

Linki @ Golden, Sloonei

Sloonei was my bet too. It fits with him understanding Mac's meta, but missing a lot of RM people.

The other three I have in mind as not ruled out are - rico (who I know can play up fake meta tells to appear to be others), zebra, and nutella.

Re the other thread, I hope that they lynched sig. I feel very strongly about him.

It's Sloonei. I have the same dynamic I had in host wars. I will be amazed if it isn't him.

And I have seen too many sigwagons to be so sure. Why so sure?

[bea]

so... like... how am i role playing at all?

I'm sorry if it was assuming you were for me to think that. I don't know. I only know what you've said in this thread. I had that particular sock last game it was in. I guess I projected, because my play that game was very much role playing. I"m sorry. I'm about 80 yards behind in this game and doing everything I can to catch up.

[juliets]

Ahhh Sloonei. That would make sense as I don't know him very well at all. I don't think it's rico because rico has been at work during times Prisoner has been here, though some things he says are very rico-like ("my sources tell me...").

I also suspected sig and thought Scotty made some good points about Quin in the other thread. I hate that I've missed a whole day of behavior for each of them.

[bea]

I would have thought the pirz was JJJ if he weren't hosting. His questioning methods remind me lots of JJJ.

ok. my cold meds are kicking in. It's not even 8 pm my time and I'm out. Food and sleep. I need more sleep. Sorry guys.

[Marmot]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

[Golden]

Plus now would be a good time to discuss the baddies in the other thread now that we have had a Lynch.

Linki @ Golden, Sloonei

Sloonei was my bet too. It fits with him understanding Mac's meta, but missing a lot of RM people.

The other three I have in mind as not ruled out are - rico (who I know can play up fake meta tells to appear to be others), zebra, and nutella.

Re the other thread, I hope that they lynched sig. I feel very strongly about him.

It's Sloonei. I have the same dynamic I had in host wars. I will be amazed if it isn't him.

And I have seen too many sigwagons to be so sure. Why so sure?

My hesitation on believing it was sloonei is that he's been so much more busy and more quiet recently. It's good to see him in full form if it is him.

I've defended most of those sigwagons. He gets taken out for poor choice of words, things that look so overtly bad, usually specific commentary on individuals that appears contrived. The only time I went after sig and was wrong was in Turf Wars, where his apparent obvious baddieness was so outrageous that I felt he couldn't possibly be good (I was wrong).

My point being, this sig doesn't look like any of those bad wagons. Sig isn't getting himself into trouble for word usage, but rather for lack of genuine content, blendiness, and the way he handled the Mac lynch. None of these behaviours are things I associate with civ sig - neither the civ sig who gets himself in trouble (because usually that one is still opinionated), nor super-sig like what was recently seen in Unfortunate Events. Civ sig throws his thoughts out there and doesn't worry about how he looks.

[Golden]

I would have thought the pirz was JJJ if he weren't hosting. His questioning methods remind me lots of JJJ.

ok. my cold meds are kicking in. It's not even 8 pm my time and I'm out. Food and sleep. I need more sleep. Sorry guys.

sloonei = JJJJ (JJJ junior)

[Marmot]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

How do you feel about his role in the Mac thing? Did you forget about how responsible he was for that, when you voted him? Or do you think it isn't a very persuasive argument for him being good? Or was your vote more symbolic about his content than being fully convinced he was bad?

Back down with the righteous indignation cowboy. I don't recall what every person said in the other thread. I was judging based on THIS thread and in THIS thread I was not impressed.

Linki Prisoner Donna an Coltrane I am sure about.

To toot my own horn for a second, I do think I played a strong role in the lynching of Mac.

But I feel similarly about the Day 1 thread. It's something we can't use as a resource for this game, so I can't show you what I said. I can only point to the poll thread.

[Marmot]

I also voted MM nut no-one saw it. But I did it for lols because he wanted to do live commentary of my voting.

I had to leave my computer at that second, so I missed it.

[Marmot]

rico (who I know can play up fake meta tells to appear to be others)

I still caught his ass in the Syndicate Mafia.

[Marmot]

I would have thought the pirz was JJJ if he weren't hosting. His questioning methods remind me lots of JJJ.

ok. my cold meds are kicking in. It's not even 8 pm my time and I'm out. Food and sleep. I need more sleep. Sorry guys.

Sloonei came from the same place as Jay (RYM), and when he gets into a game, plays rather similarly to Jay in my opinion.

[Marmot]

Plus now would be a good time to discuss the baddies in the other thread now that we have had a Lynch.

Linki @ Golden, Sloonei

Sloonei was my bet too. It fits with him understanding Mac's meta, but missing a lot of RM people.

The other three I have in mind as not ruled out are - rico (who I know can play up fake meta tells to appear to be others), zebra, and nutella.

Re the other thread, I hope that they lynched sig. I feel very strongly about him.

It's Sloonei. I have the same dynamic I had in host wars. I will be amazed if it isn't him.

And I have seen too many sigwagons to be so sure. Why so sure?

My hesitation on believing it was sloonei is that he's been so much more busy and more quiet recently. It's good to see him in full form if it is him.

I've defended most of those sigwagons. He gets taken out for poor choice of words, things that look so overtly bad, usually specific commentary on individuals that appears contrived. The only time I went after sig and was wrong was in Turf Wars, where his apparent obvious baddieness was so outrageous that I felt he couldn't possibly be good (I was wrong).

My point being, this sig doesn't look like any of those bad wagons. Sig isn't getting himself into trouble for word usage, but rather for lack of genuine content, blendiness, and the way he handled the Mac lynch. None of these behaviours are things I associate with civ sig - neither the civ sig who gets himself in trouble (because usually that one is still opinionated), nor super-sig like what was recently seen in Unfortunate Events. Civ sig throws his thoughts out there and doesn't worry about how he looks.

I agree with you.

Additionally, as the day was winding down, he commented on every player receiving suspicion in the thread except for MacDougall, the leading voter, who also happened to flp mafia. I don't think that's circumstantial.

And yes, that was the main reason I didn't support a Soneji lynch.

[Scotty]

and cheerleader's vote seems to have counted.

We don't know that. Could have lost the tie.

Either way, Cheerleader did not help us today. So all you folks calling her GOOD in the GTH reads make me scratch my head. If she's not indie, then what kind of balance would this game have with a random, new sock on the civ side?

Tell me: if you were doing a GTH exercise and know beyond a doubt that a role is indie, is that not an acceptable response? (we don't know it, it's purely hypothetical)

[Golden]

I've never had any issue with 'indy' in gth. That is a read. It's different from fence sitting. Sometimes you read people specifically as being independent.

[Thundercat]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

[Made]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

Do you know why you weren't on the poll?

[Marmot]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

[S~V~S]

First Sig is always a solid Lynch candidate day one. And I have seen Sig say incredible provocative things and be flip floppy and self serving when he flipped civ.

Then have you read this thread where no one could remember anything from the other thread?

And I said why I found it suspect, I explained it to Made. Talking about the other thread felt like a distraction to me. Ultimately I didn't vote based on it. Sorry you don't find that valid, we each have our own method.

And while I agree that I wish we had not lynched a civvie, I am OK with the vote I made. He felt evasive and not wanting to be helpful. Juliet's vote, though, makes me go hrm.

Also are we thinking that the cheerleaders handler is bad? If so I would guess that he/she is one of the Soneji voters unless both Bea and Soneji were civs.

[juliets]

And while I agree that I wish we had not lynched a civvie, I am OK with the vote I made. He felt evasive and not wanting to be helpful. Juliet's vote, though, makes me go hrm.

I don't mind some suspicion but I will say this again: I would have to be dumb to do a meta analysis of Soneji earlier in the day basically clearing him in my mind and then changing to him at the last minute when I knew he was good. Go back and take a look at what I wrote about him earlier in the day. Or tell me and I'll link you to it. The smart move for me would have been to stay on bea, whether she is civ or bad. I said earlier why I changed my vote so I won't repeat myself.

On the cheerleader it makes sense that if the Process is indy then she is indy. The only thing in the back of my mind is in the original Transistor game it looks like the Process had to be destroyed by the civs to win. Doesn't this mean the Process was bad and by extension all those "tendrils" would be bad? Scotty since you played a "tendril" you seem to be our resident expert on this role, am I right that the Process was considered bad? Another thought that occurs to me though is if the Process was bad in that game it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad in this one. Oh well, the cheerleader is really on the periphery of my vision right now though I agree with whoever said it probably means the Process is among us.

I hope we can do something productive with the day today.

[Boomslang]

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

[Soneji]

So this marks the second time a CFD is run on me when I leave for awhile. Sigh.

[thellama73]

Damn, sorry Sonaji. I really thought I was onto something there.

Very glad to have Golden back among us, though.

[thellama73]

I am hopeless at trying to figure out who's behind sock accounts, so I don't bother trying.

[juliets]

I am hopeless at trying to figure out who's behind sock accounts, so I don't bother trying.

yeah I am usually very bad at guessing socks. I used to not even try when they would have those contests in sock games to guess who was behind each sock.

[Thundercat]

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

Do you know why you weren't on the poll?

It's fairly obvious why I wasn't on the poll.
So yes.

@golden i hated how he wanted to talk about the other thread and not this one. I said that when I voted for him.

I still don't understand this tbh.

I would rather bea have been lynched than Soneji. I thought Boomslang made a good point on her. Did nobody care that Soneji suspected sig?

I do agree that sig is suspicious
I do agree that Soneji was not a good lynch
why is this connected?

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

How do you know that this happened?

[juliets]

Did anyone happen to capture the lynch poll? I don't see it in the polls available to us.

[Marmot]

I copied them down for my own personal use, but I don't think we're allowed to do any more than that.

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[Marmot]

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?[/quote]

Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

How do you know that this happened?

The lynch poll says so.

[Marmot]

Quotes fixed

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?

Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

How do you know that this happened?

The lynch poll says so.

[Marmot]

Well I'll just post it in this thread, just in case.

I... am going to go out on a limb and assume it's legal.

Nope.

-JJJ

[juliets]

Well I'll just post it in this thread, just in case.

I... am going to go out on a limb and assume it's legal.

Nope.

-JJJ

Thanks for being willing Metalmarsh but I surely don't want you to break any rules.

[thellama73]

I feel confident in saying that I don't think Cheerleader is our friend.

[Made]

While I'm inclined to agree llama, I'm not as much in agreement with the claim that cheerleader voted to save Bea. It easily could of just been done to fuck with us, assuming it was a civvie vs civvie lynch.
That said, I'm not gonna say it makes Bea look bad, but it definitely doesn't make her look good.

[Thundercat]

Quotes fixed

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?

Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

How do you know that this happened?

The lynch poll says so.

hwo do you know the cheerleaders vote counted?

[juliets]

Quotes fixed

Because sig was a solid lynch candidate on Day 1, making someone who voiced a suspicion of him a solid contributor to trying to lynch him.

How does that make a soneji lynch so obviously a bad iea?

Since this is almost like another Day 1, I thought it good enough reason to PoE Soneji.

Arrgh, shitty result. RIP Soneji. Cheerleader putting him over the edge looks really shady, but I don't know how much can be gleaned from that considering the sock. My gut tells me whoever is controlling that account wouldn't double up? I think MM comes out looking the best from this lynch: made valid points in counter of Soneji, voted where his mouth was. I thought llama had a good case, but I hope we hear from him in the aftermath.

How do you know that this happened?

The lynch poll says so.

hwo do you know the cheerleaders vote counted?

To Donna's point, the Cheerleader in the Transistor game had a vote worth 0.

[Marmot]

@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets.

[thellama73]

Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?

[Marmot]

While I'm inclined to agree llama, I'm not as much in agreement with the claim that cheerleader voted to save Bea. It easily could of just been done to fuck with us, assuming it was a civvie vs civvie lynch.
That said, I'm not gonna say it makes Bea look bad, but it definitely doesn't make her look good.

So say we all.

[Akemi Homura]

Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?

Not really, no. But if we want to avoid the risk of it influencing lynches later on, we should try to avoid such tight polls.

[Thundercat]

@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets.

So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?

Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?

No,
It matters if MM knows though.

[thellama73]

Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?

Not really, no. But if we want to avoid the risk of it influencing lynches later on, we should try to avoid such tight polls.

Agreed.

[Akemi Homura]

I also assumed that the cheerleader's vote counted toward getting Soneji lynched, and it appears Boomslang did as well. I don't find it suspicious for Metalmarsh to suggest that it did.

[Marmot]

@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets.

So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?

No, I mean that it's the thought that counts. Whether the vote counts or not, it was placed on Soneji.

I do not mean that there is a spirit that breaks ties.

[thellama73]

@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets.

So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?

No, I mean that it's the thought that counts. Whether the vote counts or not, it was placed on Soneji.

I do not mean that there is a spirit that breaks ties.