Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#951

I need to work on my ISO list for the champs game, so my vote here is in the wind.

linki: I oppose Eloh. We got 24 pages out of Day 0/1, I don't think it should be wasted on a low poster who has barely been discussed.

#952

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Does anyone out there have a reason to oppose one of the following lynches:

sig
Elohcin
Sorsha/replacement
DrWilgy

I don't think the suspicion of Sorsha is warranted (even at the time I was saying I thought her responses were fair), and I particularly don't think we should lynch that spot when sloonei can come in to it. He can be judged on his own merits.

I don't oppose any of the others.

#953

Thank you, JJJ, for the Tab trick!

@JJJ - What Fred said.

@Whoever brought it up - The reason for me thinking JJJ/Nut not teamed is that JJJ gave a very heavy town read on Nut early on. I would not expect a scum to do this to a rather low poster teammate.

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I'm sure I had other things I wanted to comment on. Don't know when day ends, so going to throw out some cold reads:

Townish:
Nut, Straw, Fred

Slight town:
Silver, Quin. Golden, Jack

On the townier side of null:
Soneji, Scotty, Wilgy

Null:
Nacho

On the scummier side of null or sligh scum:
Sig, Dfray, JJJ

Scummish/suspects:
Marmot, INH, Speed, LC

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Raisins:
Marmot: Ok, so nobody ever talks about Marmot/MM. Which I find suspicious in itself, but that's not his fault. Anyway, I don't like this progression:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That... is actually a pretty accurate description of how I like to play.

^In response to me talking about my playstyle.

That being said, your slip, it looked like an accident. You assert that it was not an accident, but a fakeslip. You then introduced some reads after the fact. Nacho made a good point that you didn't factor the 'fakeslip' into your reads. I think (without looking at your link to your other game) it was an accident.

^In the same post - how can he legitly think it was still a real slip? Also pointing to Nacho to support that I didn't factor in the fakeslip into my reads instead of going to my post. I factor everything into my reads, who's anyone else to say what I'm basing my reads on. I specifically based my Marmot vote on it in fact. Also, he doesn't need to look at the link to know what's in it as it has been discussed a lot. He's completely disregarding a lot of info, so this just reads like he's not interested in actually figuring out my alignment. Which is not a town mindset.

Why do dizzy's posts after his slip make me feel so good? Should I reconsider?

This I also dislike. Also, "reconsider" from what? He wasn't voting me at this time.

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INH, I honestly don't have a case on. Just seems to be on the sidelines a lot and I find that's how scum feels like a lot of the time. Should check his posts at some point.

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Speed, I posted my suspicions of here:

Spoiler: show

I do think his tone is good, but he talks mostly about things around the game, and doesn't really go far to develop reads afaic.

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LC, I'm a bit unsure on. But the jump on me made little sense. And then the backing off didn't make me feel good either. Seemed like thinking I could be mislynch, and then doubting I could be so moving off before needing to expand. Should probably look up posts here too.

#954

Quin wrote:I need to work on my ISO list for the champs game, so my vote here is in the wind.

linki: I oppose Eloh. We got 24 pages out of Day 0/1, I don't think it should be wasted on a low poster who has barely been discussed.

Do you think anything of Elohcin's vote for Dizzy?

#955

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Does anyone out there have a reason to oppose one of the following lynches:

sig
Elohcin
Sorsha/replacement
DrWilgy
I don't think the suspicion of Sorsha is warranted (even at the time I was saying I thought her responses were fair), and I particularly don't think we should lynch that spot when sloonei can come in to it. He can be judged on his own merits.

I don't oppose any of the others.

I'm fine with waiting for Sloonei. If he's the replacement he'll give us plenty of opportunities to make a more conclusive read.

#956

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Does anyone out there have a reason to oppose one of the following lynches:

sig
Elohcin
Sorsha/replacement
DrWilgy

I don't love the Wilgy option just because the righteousness of his defense post is more often town imo. This is pretty weak, but at least enough for me to not jump on that wagon at least. Plus, I have seen Wilgy do nothing last time I played here, and he was town then.

Why did Sig disappear again? Makes no sense as either alignment. o.o

#957

Heh, the funny thing is that from the 3 HCRealms players on here, Fred is without a doubt the calmest and the most laid back, lol.

Fred isn't a bad guy (meaning in general, not in game) he's probably just got triggered by something. Can't say I haven't been there 1 or 9 times myself.

And since we can't use curse words on our homesite he's probably taking advantage of it. Boy is this gonna come back to bite me if free is scum.

#958

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I need to work on my ISO list for the champs game, so my vote here is in the wind.

linki: I oppose Eloh. We got 24 pages out of Day 0/1, I don't think it should be wasted on a low poster who has barely been discussed.
Do you think anything of Elohcin's vote for Dizzy?

It was opportunistic. I don't read it any which way though.

#959

Dyslexicon wrote:I don't love the Wilgy option just because the righteousness of his defense post is more often town imo. This is pretty weak, but at least enough for me to not jump on that wagon at least. Plus, I have seen Wilgy do nothing last time I played here, and he was town then.

Why did Sig disappear again? Makes no sense as either alignment. o.o

I understand what you mean. I get a similar impression from Wilgy too. It's hard to confidently draw any read from one post like that, but I am less enthusiastic about lynching Wilgy than I was before it. His love of cultivating a goofball meta scares me away.

I can't say why sig disappeared. He may be busy. He didn't use his opportunity post effectively though and my suspicion of him increased largely for that reason. He hopped into the thread, seemed well aware that he was taking some crap (despite only having one vote on him), and I wonder whether he is more attuned to the information in this thread than his posts would indicate. Not a great look.

#960

Silver Lantern wrote:Heh, the funny thing is that from the 3 HCRealms players on here, Fred is without a doubt the calmest and the most laid back, lol.

Fred isn't a bad guy (meaning in general, not in game) he's probably just got triggered by something. Can't say I haven't been there 1 or 9 times myself.

And since we can't use curse words on our homesite he's probably taking advantage of it. Boy is this gonna come back to bite me if free is scum.

In your opinion, since you know him, is the emotion in his posts just now more likely town or scum from him?

#961

TOCK

VOTALS:

sig (7): Golden, JJJ, Speedchuck, JackofHearts,Nachomamma,Strawhenge, nutella
Dyslexicon (3): Long con, MetalMarsh89, Eloh
Fredwood (2): DrWilgy, Soneji,
DrWilgy (1): Scotty
MM (1): Dyslexicon
Golden (1): Sig

With 21 Alive, it takes 11 to Lynch, and 6 to soft lynch. Day 1 will end on 14th February, 2017 at 10pm EST, or in approx. 65 minutes

#962

He also said something about his vote for me, I forget his specific words, but they indicated that he intended to read up and then make a serious vote, which he proceeded not to do.

#963

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:I don't love the Wilgy option just because the righteousness of his defense post is more often town imo. This is pretty weak, but at least enough for me to not jump on that wagon at least. Plus, I have seen Wilgy do nothing last time I played here, and he was town then.

Why did Sig disappear again? Makes no sense as either alignment. o.o
I understand what you mean. I get a similar impression from Wilgy too. It's hard to confidently draw any read from one post like that, but I am less enthusiastic about lynching Wilgy than I was before it. His love of cultivating a goofball meta scares me away.

I can't say why sig disappeared. He may be busy. He didn't use his opportunity post effectively though and my suspicion of him increased largely for that reason. He hopped into the thread, seemed well aware that he was taking some crap (despite only having one vote on him), and I wonder whether he is more attuned to the information in this thread than his posts would indicate. Not a great look.

I agree, that is not a good look. Eloh also seemed aware enough. If Sig flips scum, definitely look into Eloh.

#964

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Does anyone out there have a reason to oppose one of the following lynches:

sig
Elohcin
Sorsha/replacement
DrWilgy

I don't but I think a lynch on Wigly or Sig will be the most helpful as there's been way more discussion about those that can be analyzed in the days to come. I guess there has been some discussion on sorcha too.

#965

I have no issue with any of those four lynches, though the idea of a Chinese Fire Drill scares me.

Dizzy, I'll give you full disclosure: I am 100% certain that you did not really slip, whether town or scum.
I also think that most of the townreads on you didn't come from that, but from towny play later in the day.
I have been defending the slip as being what you said it was: fake.

Now,
Your behavior right after the slip was questionable. After a bit, though, you stumbled in and got the scumhunting going.
All the while, I'm fighting back against votes that I consider misinformed and trying to avoid getting tied down as someone who is defending you as a person. I don't like defending. I do like picking apart misinformed lynches. You can defend yourself.

Since those arguments have ended, you've continued to improve questioning and giving of reads/helpful observations. I'd put you as light town, at the moment. This wasn't exactly what I was trying to argue either way earlier, though.

Does that clear things up? If not,

#966

Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.

#967

I liked that people have a bunch of different reads on me!

#968

Dyslexicon wrote:Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.

Actually this only serves to emphasise the disparity between his words and the actual level of lynch threat he felt.

#969

Dyslexicon wrote:Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.

In what world does civ Sig decide that Golden is going to be lynched and that's where his vote is best placed...?

#970

speedchuck wrote:I have no issue with any of those four lynches, though the idea of a Chinese Fire Drill scares me.

Dizzy, I'll give you full disclosure: I am 100% certain that you did not really slip, whether town or scum.
I also think that most of the townreads on you didn't come from that, but from towny play later in the day.
I have been defending the slip as being what you said it was: fake.

Now,
Your behavior right after the slip was questionable. After a bit, though, you stumbled in and got the scumhunting going.
All the while, I'm fighting back against votes that I consider misinformed and trying to avoid getting tied down as someone who is defending you as a person. I don't like defending. I do like picking apart misinformed lynches. You can defend yourself.

Since those arguments have ended, you've continued to improve questioning and giving of reads/helpful observations. I'd put you as light town, at the moment. This wasn't exactly what I was trying to argue either way earlier, though.

Does that clear things up? If not,

It does help. Kind of. Maybe. Look me in the eyes and tell me you're not scum!

I do regret taking up so much space D1, that was certainly not intended. I didn't know I was going to be that much of a controversy, though in hindsight I should've guessed. Anyway, it's been an interesting D1, I guess.

#971

Golden wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.
Actually this only serves to emphasise the disparity between his words and the actual level of lynch threat he felt.

True.

Lynch Sig

Because I want to do what's in vogue.

#972

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.
In what world does civ Sig decide that Golden is going to be lynched and that's where his vote is best placed...?

The vote wasn't serious though? I thought he voted because Golden voted Sig (iirc)?

#973

We laughed, we cried, we screamed and cursed and in the end killed a poor guy who didn't show up to defend himself.

Sounds like Thanksgiving.

#974

I would qualify sig's current vote as pointless at best and posturing at worst. There's nothing positive about it.

#975

Dyslexicon wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:Heh, the funny thing is that from the 3 HCRealms players on here, Fred is without a doubt the calmest and the most laid back, lol.

Fred isn't a bad guy (meaning in general, not in game) he's probably just got triggered by something. Can't say I haven't been there 1 or 9 times myself.

And since we can't use curse words on our homesite he's probably taking advantage of it. Boy is this gonna come back to bite me if free is scum.
In your opinion, since you know him, is the emotion in his posts just now more likely town or scum from him?

He rarely shows emotion so it's sort of a null read for me (JoH will be so proud I used that phrase). It read like a genuine reaction to me so I don't think alignment was something that was coming into play.

If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to pick one, I would say town, cause mathematically he has better odds of being town. And I think a genuine reaction like that is something that a scummer would avoid unless it's an absolute meltdown. And yes, I've seen absolute meltdowns and that was not one IMO.

#976

sig is starting to feel like a runaway wagon.

#977

Quin wrote:sig is starting to feel like a runaway wagon.

Runaway from me baby!

#978

It's about to get crazy

#979

Quin wrote:sig is starting to feel like a runaway wagon.

runaway.....train?

#980

Soneji wrote:we should all feel foolish for not recognizing his meta or his activity elsewhere.

Kneel fools!

#981

Quin wrote:sig is starting to feel like a runaway wagon.

On the one hand, duh, there's an hour left in the day and people want to commit.

On the other hand, yay, stuff to analyze tomorrow morning!

NO DOWNSIDES, LET'S RUN WITH IT YEAH

#982

Silver Lantern wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:Heh, the funny thing is that from the 3 HCRealms players on here, Fred is without a doubt the calmest and the most laid back, lol.

Fred isn't a bad guy (meaning in general, not in game) he's probably just got triggered by something. Can't say I haven't been there 1 or 9 times myself.

And since we can't use curse words on our homesite he's probably taking advantage of it. Boy is this gonna come back to bite me if free is scum.
In your opinion, since you know him, is the emotion in his posts just now more likely town or scum from him?
He rarely shows emotion so it's sort of a null read for me (JoH will be so proud I used that phrase). It read like a genuine reaction to me so I don't think alignment was something that was coming into play.

If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to pick one, I would say town, cause mathematically he has better odds of being town. And I think a genuine reaction like that is something that a scummer would avoid unless it's an absolute meltdown. And yes, I've seen absolute meltdowns and that was not one IMO.

Thanks. The reaction read town to me fwiw. Especially the way he was apologizing it at the same time. I was just curious, cause it did seem a bit out of character the first time, so I was wondering if it was some sort of appeal to emotion (which can be a scum tacitc (I used to do this a lot as scum :3)). But looking at his interaction with Quin it reads town being annoyed.

#983

OH CRAP THERE'S AN ITEM TO VOTE TONIGHT WHO WANTS IT

#984

speedchuck wrote:OH CRAP THERE'S AN ITEM TO VOTE TONIGHT WHO WANTS IT

oh yea

#985

sprityo wrote:
Quin wrote:sig is starting to feel like a runaway wagon.

runaway.....train?

what a glorious pun.

#986

speedchuck wrote:OH CRAP THERE'S AN ITEM TO VOTE TONIGHT WHO WANTS IT

Obviously, I should have it. I'll do a fake town slip as well if I get it and am alive and well.

#987

DrWilgy wrote:
Soneji wrote:we should all feel foolish for not recognizing his meta or his activity elsewhere.
Kneel fools!

Who do you want to vote and can I follow you?

#988

It's 3 am my time, but now I have to stay awake until the flip. Damn you Americans and your inconvenient time zones.

#989

It's 3 am my time, but now I have to stay awake until the flip. Damn you Americans and your inconvenient time zones.

#990

Which one is the real me?

#991

Unvote,

Vote: Sig.

Why are we killing Sig?

JJJ, can I trust you this game? Who's posts do you think I'm best off ISO-ing.

#992

just an fyi Sig has 9 votes and two away from hammer. So either you all wait another 45 minutes and see if he has something the say, or nail him in

#993

Silver Lantern wrote:Heh, the funny thing is that from the 3 HCRealms players on here, Fred is without a doubt the calmest and the most laid back, lol.

Fred isn't a bad guy (meaning in general, not in game) he's probably just got triggered by something. Can't say I haven't been there 1 or 9 times myself.

And since we can't use curse words on our homesite he's probably taking advantage of it. Boy is this gonna come back to bite me if free is scum.

Carp carp carp.

#994

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ, can I trust you this game? Who's posts do you think I'm best off ISO-ing.

You can. It'd be cool to hear your perspectives on a couple of the people I'll call tough reads: speedchuck, JOH

#995

I and someone else could hammer it in. Beats waiting another 45 minutes.

Would people like that?

#996

I was under the assumption we were maybe waiting for Sloonei.

#997

sprityo wrote:just an fyi Sig has 9 votes and two away from hammer. So either you all wait another 45 minutes and see if he has something the say, or nail him in

Kind of want a hammer so I can go to bed lol.
But kind of want to wait in case he shows up and says something within the day time.

#998

also remember you will have to wait a whole 24 hours before you can talk again since night phase chat is not allowed

#999

Vote sig

#1000

Patience is a virtue. Maybe sig will appear in that time frame and say something profound.

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