DYSLEXICON'S EXTENSIVE LEXICON
an ISO in two parts
PART 1: EVERYTHING BUT THE 'SLIP'
Dyslexicon wrote:Quin wrote:
I already know that there's a difference between our perceptions of what Sorsha was saying, but I'll explain anyway.
1. I think Sorsha's post about giving the map to a woman was entirely fluff. Not serious. A gimmick that is only saying 'We are women, so give it to us.' Not 'these girls and I are civ, so give it to us.'
2. Confirming civ-reads doesn't fit, because the post itself was a gimmick.
I agree with this. JJJ's way of making it a thing is:
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There's too many players to keep track of. Please hurry up and die. I don't really have reads cause aintnobodygottimeforethat.
But:
Lynch: JJJ
Dys' first "REAL" post of the game comes via an agreement with Quin that 3J's suspicion of Sorsha's girl power support of woman receiving the map is, itself, suspicious. He casually throws a vote his way, in the manner reserved for a early day lark or mayhaps a distancing attempt.
After this comes the whole "slip" fracas, which I'll analyze in a separate post.
Dyslexicon wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:Five scum lolslip. I see people are really jumping on it, "great catch"
. I'm surprised so many seems to take it seriously, but then I'm used to players being used to play with me. Hopefully some reactions stands out. I'm not dumb enough to slip for real in that way. It's a rather classic way of fake slipping. Did the same thing in one of my recent town games on my home site, same number even (HOW CONVENIENT).
I would absolutely love to see a link to this recent town game, ideally the same post. Please, please, please give me that before you depart for the night.
Dyslexicon wrote:I didn't have three scum reads. I have none. Hopefully this changes with me reading the game. \o/
Golden isn't a scum read?
Bah. Let me get my computer then. Y ppl be so serious
But since it's you <3
No, haven't really formed reads yet. Dunno. No more hard questions plz. o.o
Now he has no reads at all. Funny how he abandons the 3J suspicion once the slip clustermug occurs.
Dyslexicon wrote:Somewhat casual observations
- Quin posts 2min after slip. Don't see much wrong with the response.
- Golden doesn't think I'm very good at mafia.
- Strawhenge flags it, but doesn't vote me.
- Nutella is impressed and joins the vote. Nothing wrong with this it feels like.
- Scotty joins vote, say "watch this just being an arbitrary number". I find this curious.
- Quin seems pleased with himself.
- JJJ warns that I shouldn't be hammered (that would've been lol though). Still not calling me outright mafia.
- Silver indicates that it's "suspicious enough for a vote".
- Fredwood is the first one to suggest the post doesn't make sense. Unsure of mafia motive for doing this.
Some players comments later, but I'm unsure how much can be read into that as it's not as immediate.
I was going to ask why JJJ did not declare me scum or town, but didn't contest anyone who declared me sure or almost sure scum. But it was answered later with his long post. The fact that he held on to it is probably town indicative. Which is a shame, cause I really wanted to scum read JJJ for some reason. Also, the last time I played here the player I was suspicious towards in the start, but then grew to be everyone's top town read turned out to be scum, and I felt like crying. Fact is, the early JJJ stuff did not make me confident in him being town, but the later is better, I think. It would be very helpful if players who has meta on JJJ can tell me if this is very typical of his town play (as I understand nobody really knows what his scum play is like (?)).
Interesting how he differentiates between Quin and Nutella, whose Dys votes he finds normal and unsuspicious, and Scotty, whose Dys vote is "curious." Also, a full-scale switcheroo-nie on 3J, as you can see in his next post.
Dyslexicon wrote:Actually, meta in general would help a bunch. But I don't have that, so let's just get on with the (early) impressions I have so far:
Townish:
Quin seems town enough to me. A bit stubborn, but that may just be a general thing (?).
I guess I should trust JJJ as I find no real reason to scum read him even if I want to for unknown raisins.
I think nutella seems alright. Has a rather innocent way of posting, and the need to understand reads town to me. Also think JJJ mentioned meta to back this up.
Slight towny:
I remember liking Long Con's post, but I can't really remember why. I think it was something about suspecting INH for having an unchronological reason to suspect someone (suspecting them before they do what could be potentially suspicious). This just seemed like a good level of thinking, so it's at least not lazy at least. I'm keeping in mind though that I thiiink he comes off a bit different than the last game I played here and iirc he was town in that? This is a long time ago, so don't remember it well. Still more town than not.
I don't know SilverLantern, but his attitude reads more town than scum to me. Also his awareness of being defensive and the "oh no, now I'll be seen as suspicious" read more like annoyed at maybe having to deal with that as town, cause he'd rather just be town read (?). Making guesses, or call it a gut read.
Um, I could mention Fred and Nacho as slight town leans, but there's really not much basis to it other than feels. Also pretty sure Sig's tone is a bit different from last game (again, ages ago), where he was scum.
Suspect:
I don't trust Marmot. I don't like the way he's emphasizing claiming map, as it reads more like trying to "be out there" or gain town cred for (possibly) faking that after other more present players had done the same. Doesn't really seem to care about my slip too much, seems uninterested.
I don't get good feels from Strawhenge. If someone has meta arguments here, I'd like to hear it, cause I saw people reading him town. He also flagged my post without voting me (but kept on shading me), without giving a reason for not voting. I also didn't like his first posts pointing out his own paranoia, and possible buddying of JJJ D0.
I agree that Sorsha read somewhat distant and not wanting to engage, which is possibly suspicious.
Scotty is a name I remember I was suspicious of, but I don't remember why.
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I make gut reads/feels/impressions that is somewhat hard to explain. Especially when not knowing players well. Deal with it and take it for what it's worth. \o/
Now, 3J is one of his top town reads. (Wonder how much of that is tied to 3J's reaction to the "slip" kerfuffle.) Scum reads include Marmot, (for claiming?!? wat? he town-reads others for claiming, but I guess because Marmot ain't SUPATOWN, he's less trustworthy when HE does it.) Strawhenge, (who Dys kept replying to with blunt, one word 'no' answers, seemingly to antagonize the dude.) Sorsha, (with whom Dys agrees with 3J's case on.) and Scotty. ("curious Dys vote.")
Dyslexicon wrote:Lynch: Marmot
I do not feel the warm fuzzies, MM. =/
Why do you feel so distant? Why do you feel so cold?
Now we have Dys' second D1 vote, which is based on even less than his first. Apparently, Marmot feels cold and distant, like an estranged lover or Antarctica. Nothing about this vote gives me the warm fuzzies.
Dyslexicon wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:Lynch: Marmot
I do not feel the warm fuzzies, MM. =/
Why do you feel so distant? Why do you feel so cold?
This is the sort of feeling you get when you say things like "There are five (5) scum to lynch, etc."
My question to you is: Why have you been so cold? Why have you been so distant?
Right. So my suspicion was articulated in a ditzy way, but it was serious.
My point was not that I was getting any type of feeling from you, rather that you seemed to not be very involved or interested in the slip.
Apparently not having an opinion on Dys' slip, and sitting back to observe other people's reactions is suspicious in Dys' eyes. Probably explains why his vote is currently on me.
These are, to put it frank, not great reasons to suspect people.
Dyslexicon wrote:@Speed, I want you to explain your read on me. You're tip-toeing around it. You comment a lot on logic, strategy and meta discussions, but you don't give very much in terms of reads. You've stated several times that I'm null-ish to you and that I'm nok exactly looking good and that it's understanable that players want to lynch me etc. But at the same time you're arguing against what these players are saying. So in your own words, what is your read on me and why?
I'm very suspicious of you.
This where Dys' playstyle in this game becomes apparent. Aggrandizing flashy statements meant to provoke "discussion," and suspecting people who don't take the bait. MM, Speed, and myself all expressed neutrality about Dys, which quickly attracted heat from the man himself.
Dyslexicon doesn't want to lynch people who townread him, but doesn't want the heat that comes with going after people who scumread. So, he goes after the neutrals. Best case scenario, they then townread him and Dys can post that they "are making more sense now." Worst case scenario, he can frame their suspicions as a NO U, OMGUS.
It's a thing people do when they want to look like they're hunting and an extremely active player without doing any actual hunting.
Dyslexicon wrote:I'm sure I had other things I wanted to comment on. Don't know when day ends, so going to throw out some cold reads:
Townish:
Nut, Straw, Fred
Slight town:
Silver, Quin. Golden, Jack
On the townier side of null:
Soneji, Scotty, Wilgy
Null:
Nacho
On the scummier side of null or sligh scum:
Sig, Dfray, JJJ
Scummish/suspects:
Marmot, INH, Speed, LC
Now 3J is "on the scummier side of null," while me, MM, Speed, and LC are the top suspects.
Jeez, Dys' 3J read is like a roller-coaster. This is the fourth or fifth change that's occurred over a single day!
Also interesting how Nacho is the only one listed as "null." Would be a good way to seperate yourself from an NK target.
Dyslexicon wrote:Golden wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:Sig could have voted me though, or another counter wagon. Although that would've looked scum as hell.
Actually this only serves to emphasise the disparity between his words and the actual level of lynch threat he felt.
True.
Lynch Sig
Because I want to do what's in vogue.
Fish gonna swim, SUPATOWN gonna mislynch Sig. Well timed train jump on Dys' part, that allows him to continue his buddying up to the SUPATOWN coalition.
Dyslexicon wrote:Golden wrote:Dyslexicon wrote:Sometimes I feel that Golden acts like I'm confirmed town.
Not sure exactly what you're seeing or how you mean this, but I tend to act like everyone is town. Even when I suspect someone on one hand, I don't want to ignore their perspective on things on the other, in case I'm wrong. I think I'm much better at figuring out who is town than who is bad, so this also aids my hunting approach.
It's not for how you interact with me (actually thinking about it, I don't think we've interacted much? Hi.), but more so in your analysis of votes and wagons and how people are treating me, it seems like you assume that I'm town. Both with the reactions to my fakeslip and in regards to the wagon on me. I don't know what this means, it's just a feeling I had and I wrote it out.
*COUGH*buddying*COUGH*
Dyslexicon wrote:I find that I have disagreed with a lot of the reasons for Quin's suspicions, but I'm still inclined to read them as town. Is this weird?
If I were to go on a limb, which I will, I'd say town:
Nut, Silver, Fred, JJJ, Golden, Quin and Scotty (very gut on the last one).
I did have town feels of JOH and Straw, but I feel these should be up for reviewing after this day (mostly by virtue of second hand info).
Would vote Marmot, INH and LC atm. Eloh, sure, but can be vigged. If she's town, another lurker lynch would suck.
Lynch INH
Wagon wagon.
And then there's this. Another example of booking a ticket on the SUPATOWN mislynch express.
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IN SUMMATION:
Dys has been flakier than a rotten biscuit, and has been buddying up to the SUPATOWN group and following them on mislynch trains.
He attacks people who express neutral opinions on him and seemingly dislikes the concept of objectivity.
He hasn't really posted a concrete suspicion yet, and I fail to see any real genuine hunting attempts from him.
To put it in metaphorical terms, Dyslexicon is the equivalent of those little party poppers that you have to awkwardly pull a string to set off, which launch a bit of colored graffiti in an underwhelming spectacle, leaving everyone else to sweep up what remains.
Good taste in TV, but that's really all I can say to his credit.
Fiddler on the Roof
