Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Sloonei]

Jackofhearts deserves some attention too. He swooped in with a late Scotty vote and then was close to silent as the chaos of the EoD unfurled.

[juliets]

Replacement Kill: DFaraday

I prepped this ahead of time to introduce myself and just took out reference to Silver Lantern, RIP -

Well, I volunteered to replace into this game because sprityo was nice enough to replace into the GOC even though he was busy hosting this game. I've been skimming the game since it started but I will tell you it's like reading Chinese. Most of the concepts of this game are foreign to me - I've barely played games where you can change your vote and I'm not at all used to claims and info-dumping. I'm also unsure about this movement thing thats happening in the poll - from what I understand someone has a map and probably one or more of those people are civ, and we're supposed to guess who that is and follow them - do I have that right? And once we get there there then what?

As I was skimming along I was feeling good about some people - Fredwood, Dyslexicon, Sloonei, Long Con, nutella - and then INH and Quin came along and listed some of those people as bad. I haven't gone through INH's case on Dyslexicon but I know Quin agrees with it. But then I think Quin also thought Marmot was good so I've got to sort that out. I also need to tell you that speedchuck/strawhenge/JOH all run together in my mind probably because I don't know them. JJJ and Golden I am unsure about. I don't think I've ever seen a bad JJJ and its been a long time since I've seen a bad Golden so I am wary of both. I guess I need to go back and read through that long exchange between the two of them but it's painful to think about doing that.

Eloh I think is probably civ. She's really into baddie bts and I think she would have been more active if she was bad however I say "probably" because I know she was extremely busy with her work last week so maybe this week we'll get a better picture of her. If I haven't named you I don't really have any opinion about you yet.

So thats my introduction. Expect me to ask lots of questions and I'll probably have a fair amount of comments. Please tell me what areas I need to go back and study or what people I should ISO to get in the swing of things. Also, I have been drinking tonight so pay no mind if I say something stupid. Going to bed soon as well.

[Sloonei]

GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.

Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty

Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood

Quin gave us these very interesting GTH reads shortly before the deadline. Many of these reads should have changed, I think. I'd like to hear his thought process about why I was bad and the marmot was good in particular.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hi juliets. Welcome to Phenon Mafia, played in February of 2017 anno domini on this planet Earth within our Solar System, situated on a tail of the Milky Way Galaxy of the Local Group and Virgo Supercluster.

[sprityo]

I messed up the labels on the poll, im renaming right now

[juliets]

Hi juliets. Welcome to Phenon Mafia, played in February of 2017 anno domini on this planet Earth within our Solar System, situated on a tail of the Milky Way Galaxy of the Local Group and Virgo Supercluster.

Oh wow. Are you insanified or just having a wild Saturday night?

[Sloonei]

insertnamehere provided a really interesting point as evidence against Dyslexicon at the end of the day. But I took interest in it not as evidence against Dyslexicon at all. Where INH sees Dyslexicon buddying with Golden, I see grounds for suspicion of Golden:

Sometimes I feel that Golden acts like I'm confirmed town.

Not sure exactly what you're seeing or how you mean this, but I tend to act like everyone is town. Even when I suspect someone on one hand, I don't want to ignore their perspective on things on the other, in case I'm wrong. I think I'm much better at figuring out who is town than who is bad, so this also aids my hunting approach.

It's not for how you interact with me (actually thinking about it, I don't think we've interacted much? Hi.), but more so in your analysis of votes and wagons and how people are treating me, it seems like you assume that I'm town. Both with the reactions to my fakeslip and in regards to the wagon on me. I don't know what this means, it's just a feeling I had and I wrote it out.

If it's accurate that Golden is "assuming" Dyslexicon to be town, it could be because Golden knows Dyslexicon is town and so is not treating them with the same skepticism as everybody else. Scum Golden does not wish to push a fake case against town Dyslexicon and so is content with his town read and is not jumping on the things that all the paranoid townies are jumping on.
This is something I'd need Dyslexicon to comment on before I can be sure it's a legitimate cause for suspicion. Do you see this as a possibility, Dyslexicon?

[sprityo]

Oh deary me, im dumb. I thought i unlocked the thread but i guess it didnt go through

[Quin]

wow finally

[Quin]

Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all

Them non-MM voters, on the other hand... Let's talk about Quin and insertnamehere.

I'd rather talk about you.

You don't lynch a 'solid town read'

I am starting to doubt my marmot read.

This would be more useful if you had a read on me.

You've been a solid town read for about 5 hours now.

with two minutes to go during a lynch as hectic as that. You just don't.

[Sloonei]

Oh deary me, im dumb. I thought i unlocked the thread but i guess it didnt go through

It's okay, we were just gonna have a day of oligarchy mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

Lynch INH

[Quin]

Lynch INH

u aint dead

[Sloonei]

Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all

Them non-MM voters, on the other hand... Let's talk about Quin and insertnamehere.

I'd rather talk about you.

You don't lynch a 'solid town read'

I am starting to doubt my marmot read.

This would be more useful if you had a read on me.

You've been a solid town read for about 5 hours now.

with two minutes to go during a lynch as hectic as that. You just don't.

You're right, I'll take that vote back.

The "solid town read" comment in that post was in the past tense. It's true I'd read him as town throughout the day. I changed my mind. I think we've agreed that changing one's mind is not suspicious behavior, right?

[Quin]

Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all

Them non-MM voters, on the other hand... Let's talk about Quin and insertnamehere.

I'd rather talk about you.

You don't lynch a 'solid town read'

I am starting to doubt my marmot read.

This would be more useful if you had a read on me.

You've been a solid town read for about 5 hours now.

with two minutes to go during a lynch as hectic as that. You just don't.

You're right, I'll take that vote back.

The "solid town read" comment in that post was in the past tense. It's true I'd read him as town throughout the day. I changed my mind. I think we've agreed that changing one's mind is not suspicious behavior, right?

Not at all.

VOTE SLOONEI

[Quin]

I wish Jack or JJJ was around. Sloonei is VERY non-commital as a leader.

This is abnormal for Sloonei, but I don't think that non-committal is an accurate description of his play so far.

This was a lie. I found Sloonei extremely non-committal yesterday.

[speedchuck]

Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by

Well done on catching him y'all

Them non-MM voters, on the other hand... Let's talk about Quin and insertnamehere.

I'd rather talk about you.

You don't lynch a 'solid town read'

I am starting to doubt my marmot read.

This would be more useful if you had a read on me.

You've been a solid town read for about 5 hours now.

with two minutes to go during a lynch as hectic as that. You just don't.

You're right, I'll take that vote back.

The "solid town read" comment in that post was in the past tense. It's true I'd read him as town throughout the day. I changed my mind. I think we've agreed that changing one's mind is not suspicious behavior, right?

Not at all.

VOTE SLOONEI

[Sloonei]

I wish Jack or JJJ was around. Sloonei is VERY non-commital as a leader.

This is abnormal for Sloonei, but I don't think that non-committal is an accurate description of his play so far.

This was a lie. I found Sloonei extremely non-committal yesterday.

This is totally fair as an observation and totally unfair as an accusation.

[speedchuck]

I'll be around more for the second day of day.
Weekend time is hard to come by.
Will try to check in when I can.

I have thoughts on the lynch I can share real quick though:
mM might have been doing what I do as scum, by buddying with a town person. I doubt he would blatantly buddy with Scum INH, and there wasn't as much buddying going the other way from what I recall.
INH thus may still be town. Wine on that.

mM coming in might have saved scotty, honestly. Wine on that.

mM coming in to kill/bus dizzy might have happened as a motive. Wine on that.

Would be surprised if there wasn't another scum between the three, all things considered. Would like thoughts, at this point in the game, on these three people, as the lynch craziness is fresh in our minds.
I may not be around for much of the next 24 hours.

[Sloonei]

What do you propose I should have done with my vote, Quin?

[sprityo]

HOT OUT OF THE GATES

VOTALS:

Sloonei (1): Quin
INH (1): Dyslexicon

With 16 Alive, it takes 9 to Lynch and 5 to Soft Lynch.

Day ends in approx, 47 hours

[Dyslexicon]

@Sloonei, Yeah, that Golden acts like I'm town because he knows is why I brought it up. I had the feeling in could be that, even if he's been reading me only slight town iirc. Also his reasoning for me sounding "genuine" with my explanations D1 pinged me a bit. But I've been ignoring these pings because there's other towny things about Golden.

I'm so fucking happy that Marmot was scum. And I wish I had pretended to be more confident in my read. And BOOM, my inital suspicion on him was because of the fakeslip - not so useless after all. \o/ *gets down from the high pony*

There's certain people I'd really like to look at and talk to.
It's like 4.30 am here though, and I will be busy all of tomorrow, so will probably be more active last half of the game day.

RIP Silver, it was fun playing with you.

I have an open question about the items. Should we talk about who has been getting them and not? I'm counting on scum to vote for each other to have it. Should town organize voting on someone to get the items? Don't know why we haven't discussed this.

[Quin]

What do you propose I should have done with my vote, Quin?

Not voted marmot. I don't believe that your reasons for voting there were genuine.

[Sloonei]

I'll be around more for the second day of day.
Weekend time is hard to come by.
Will try to check in when I can.

I have thoughts on the lynch I can share real quick though:
mM might have been doing what I do as scum, by buddying with a town person. I doubt he would blatantly buddy with Scum INH, and there wasn't as much buddying going the other way from what I recall.
INH thus may still be town. Wine on that.

mM coming in might have saved scotty, honestly. Wine on that.

mM coming in to kill/bus dizzy might have happened as a motive. Wine on that.

Would be surprised if there wasn't another scum between the three, all things considered. Would like thoughts, at this point in the game, on these three people, as the lynch craziness is fresh in our minds.
I may not be around for much of the next 24 hours.

Nothing that has happened since the end of the day phase has convinced me that Scotty can't bad.

[Sloonei]

What do you propose I should have done with my vote, Quin?

Not voted marmot. I don't believe that your reasons for voting there were genuine.

What do you propose I should have done with my vote? "Not vote marmot" is not an active decision. Which player should I have voted for instead?

[Quin]

Something I wouldn't bring up in normal circumstances (but I think that this is a special case given how chaotic the thread was at EoD), but I saw Soneji viewing for thread at EoD and never posted.

linki: Your posts gave the impression that you'd have landed on a Dyslexicon or Scotty vote.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei, Yeah, that Golden acts like I'm town because he knows is why I brought it up. I had the feeling in could be that, even if he's been reading me only slight town iirc. Also his reasoning for me sounding "genuine" with my explanations D1 pinged me a bit. But I've been ignoring these pings because there's other towny things about Golden.

I'm so fucking happy that Marmot was scum. And I wish I had pretended to be more confident in my read. And BOOM, my inital suspicion on him was because of the fakeslip - not so useless after all. \o/ *gets down from the high pony*

There's certain people I'd really like to look at and talk to.
It's like 4.30 am here though, and I will be busy all of tomorrow, so will probably be more active last half of the game day.

RIP Silver, it was fun playing with you.

I have an open question about the items. Should we talk about who has been getting them and not? I'm counting on scum to vote for each other to have it. Should town organize voting on someone to get the items? Don't know why we haven't discussed this.

I'm going to put Golden's name on the table as a suspect we should all talk about today. But I'm still not caught up enough to have a firm grasp of his play so far, and he's been mostly absent (for good reason) since I showed up so I haven't had a chance to get my feelers on him.
Who has things to say about Golden?

[speedchuck]

I have an open question about the items. Should we talk about who has been getting them and not? I'm counting on scum to vote for each other to have it. Should town organize voting on someone to get the items? Don't know why we haven't discussed this.

I tried, but nobody cared to have that discussion.

What do you propose I should have done with my vote, Quin?

Not voted marmot. I don't believe that your reasons for voting there were genuine.

Just want to say that telling someone that they should not have voted for scum to get lynched is weird.
I get the point, that you think it was too out of the blue.
Still sounds weird.
And man, frigging go read mM's posts. If you can't get why he did it, then
Also was literally the only way to get a lynch through, aside from maybe Dizzy.

I'll be around more for the second day of day.
Weekend time is hard to come by.
Will try to check in when I can.

I have thoughts on the lynch I can share real quick though:
mM might have been doing what I do as scum, by buddying with a town person. I doubt he would blatantly buddy with Scum INH, and there wasn't as much buddying going the other way from what I recall.
INH thus may still be town. Wine on that.

mM coming in might have saved scotty, honestly. Wine on that.

mM coming in to kill/bus dizzy might have happened as a motive. Wine on that.

Would be surprised if there wasn't another scum between the three, all things considered. Would like thoughts, at this point in the game, on these three people, as the lynch craziness is fresh in our minds.
I may not be around for much of the next 24 hours.

Nothing that has happened since the end of the day phase has convinced me that Scotty can't bad.

Nope. But Scotty is still alive, and Marmot was trying to get Dizzy dead instead of scotty. Wasn't trying to say he was changing your read. Just...

Does anyone have an explanation for marmot dayend play?

[Dyslexicon]

@Fred
@Soneji

Why did you not vote on D2?

You both need to get in here and start solving. Plz and thx.

[nutella]

Re: lynch result



I love being right.

Re: night, I'm very sad to see Silver go. RIP.


So I did a little bit of research over the night. I am somewhat less inclined to immediately go after INH; I am thinking it's more likely he's actually civ who truly thought Marmot was good. I'm not opposed to going after him, but I think there are other players whose ISOs I've looked at who are more likely to be Marmot's teammates. These are, roughly in order: Quin, LC, Jack, Soneji.


I'm not feeling good at all about Quin. I think he's bad news.

His point about Sloonei above is sort of fair and worth considering, I didn't really like Sloonei's behavior yesterday. But it could also be an easy thing for him to deflect onto.



Oh also hi juliets!

[Sloonei]

Something I wouldn't bring up in normal circumstances (but I think that this is a special case given how chaotic the thread was at EoD), but I saw Soneji viewing for thread at EoD and never posted.

linki: Your posts gave the impression that you'd have landed on a Dyslexicon or Scotty vote.

The more I talked to you and INH about the Dyslexicon case, the less I liked it. I think you should be able to trace this if you go back and read my posts. But I was also very frantic at the end of the day. Like I said a couple of times, yesterday was a regular Day 2 for everybody else, but for me it was a very rushed and hectic Day 1. I was still formulating my initial reads while everyone else was pushing their established suspects. When it appeared that Scotty was not going to have enough support to be lynched, I decided I preferred to take the mamot out than Dyslexicon.

I am intrigued that your first move out of the gate today has been to rail against a guy who just cast a crucial vote to lynch a scum player. Seems a bit counter-intuitive. Can we talk about how you pushed the case that was directly opposed to the lynching of said scum player all day?

[Jackofhearts2005]

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE:

Would you rather Dyslexicon be lynched, or no one be lynched?

I'll take somebody over nobody unless that somebody is me or someone I am 100% certain is town.

I'll state the obvious. You're one of the few active voters who is still up in the air.

I know you aren't voting MM. I'm trying to convince you to vote Dyslexicon. If we want to actually learn something from this day, we need to get something going here.

I agree. I am trying very hard to figure out where my vote should go, but I'm feeling very scatterbrained right now.

Follow my lead.

Vote Lynch Metalmarsh89

No, he's town.

Catching up.

This sticks out.

Mighta covered this already, but why did you switch to the Marmot, Sloonei? Was the above a joke post or did something change?

[Quin]

I have an open question about the items. Should we talk about who has been getting them and not? I'm counting on scum to vote for each other to have it. Should town organize voting on someone to get the items? Don't know why we haven't discussed this.

I tried, but nobody cared to have that discussion.

What do you propose I should have done with my vote, Quin?

Not voted marmot. I don't believe that your reasons for voting there were genuine.

Just want to say that telling someone that they should not have voted for scum to get lynched is weird.
I get the point, that you think it was too out of the blue.
Still sounds weird.
And man, frigging go read mM's posts. If you can't get why he did it, then
Also was literally the only way to get a lynch through, aside from maybe Dizzy.

I'll be around more for the second day of day.
Weekend time is hard to come by.
Will try to check in when I can.

I have thoughts on the lynch I can share real quick though:
mM might have been doing what I do as scum, by buddying with a town person. I doubt he would blatantly buddy with Scum INH, and there wasn't as much buddying going the other way from what I recall.
INH thus may still be town. Wine on that.

mM coming in might have saved scotty, honestly. Wine on that.

mM coming in to kill/bus dizzy might have happened as a motive. Wine on that.

Would be surprised if there wasn't another scum between the three, all things considered. Would like thoughts, at this point in the game, on these three people, as the lynch craziness is fresh in our minds.
I may not be around for much of the next 24 hours.

Nothing that has happened since the end of the day phase has convinced me that Scotty can't bad.

Nope. But Scotty is still alive, and Marmot was trying to get Dizzy dead instead of scotty. Wasn't trying to say he was changing your read. Just...

Does anyone have an explanation for marmot dayend play?

Why is it weird? Some people don't vote for scum, because the train of thought leading them there never clicked. Sloonei's posts don't provide that train of thought, so for his vote to end up there doesn't sit well.

[Sloonei]

What was so shady about my behavior at the end of the day yesterday? Several people have referenced it now but nobody seems to be elaborating.

[Dyslexicon]

Wish Scotty was still around. Still not clear on his stance with Dys.

Silver Lantern, have you read my case that I asked you to read? Is there a universe where you see yourself voting for Dys today? How can I make that reality into our reality?

If I vote for Dys, Would you be cool with me vigilanting you if he comes up town?

Do you think if I'm wrong about Dys, I must be bad?

What about all the people who mislynched Sig? Why didn't you vigilante them?

Spoiler: show

Other problems I have with INH.
He started tunneling me after someone (Golden/Speed?) called him out for not having strong stances. The only thing he's done is trying very hard to get me lynched. It was totally out of the blue. I have specific posts that I have qualms with, but I'll leave it at this for now.

[Sloonei]

. But I was also very frantic at the end of the day. Like I said a couple of times, yesterday was a regular Day 2 for everybody else, but for me it was a very rushed and hectic Day 1. I was still formulating my initial reads while everyone else was pushing their established suspects.

I'm just going to quote this post until somebody acknowledges that I subbed into the game during Day 2.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The hell is magic bagins?

[Sloonei]

The hell is magic bagins?

It's a new phrase to me too, but I believe it refers to when a player claims that they can prove their alignment by using some role ability they supposedly have, like what Scotty did yesterday and has failed to deliver on today.

[Dyslexicon]

u aint dead

Should I be?

[nutella]

Oooo. Jack simultaneously jumping on Sloonei for the change in heart while not realizing that Quin has already brought up the same. Not a good look for the pair of them.

[Quin]

Something I wouldn't bring up in normal circumstances (but I think that this is a special case given how chaotic the thread was at EoD), but I saw Soneji viewing for thread at EoD and never posted.

linki: Your posts gave the impression that you'd have landed on a Dyslexicon or Scotty vote.

The more I talked to you and INH about the Dyslexicon case, the less I liked it. I think you should be able to trace this if you go back and read my posts. But I was also very frantic at the end of the day. Like I said a couple of times, yesterday was a regular Day 2 for everybody else, but for me it was a very rushed and hectic Day 1. I was still formulating my initial reads while everyone else was pushing their established suspects. When it appeared that Scotty was not going to have enough support to be lynched, I decided I preferred to take the mamot out than Dyslexicon.

I am intrigued that your first move out of the gate today has been to rail against a guy who just cast a crucial vote to lynch a scum player. Seems a bit counter-intuitive. Can we talk about how you pushed the case that was directly opposed to the lynching of said scum player all day?

There were multiple parts of my (and INH's) case against Dyslexicon. You explicitly said you liked and found my accusation re: her gambit compelling. The only thing you disagreed with was where I found her changing reads on 3J suspicious. Not liking how you condensed it into one entity to disagree with it.

Saying you cast a 'crucial' vote means nothing to me, because I question your motives.

[Sloonei]

Oooo. Jack simultaneously jumping on Sloonei for the change in heart while not realizing that Quin has already brought up the same. Not a good look for the pair of them.

Would you say it almost looks coordinated?

[Quin]

u aint dead

Should I be?

I mistook vote red for dead red.

[Dyslexicon]

@Quin, Why did you purposefully lie in your statement about Sloonei when you thought he was being non-commital?

[Sloonei]

Something I wouldn't bring up in normal circumstances (but I think that this is a special case given how chaotic the thread was at EoD), but I saw Soneji viewing for thread at EoD and never posted.

linki: Your posts gave the impression that you'd have landed on a Dyslexicon or Scotty vote.

The more I talked to you and INH about the Dyslexicon case, the less I liked it. I think you should be able to trace this if you go back and read my posts. But I was also very frantic at the end of the day. Like I said a couple of times, yesterday was a regular Day 2 for everybody else, but for me it was a very rushed and hectic Day 1. I was still formulating my initial reads while everyone else was pushing their established suspects. When it appeared that Scotty was not going to have enough support to be lynched, I decided I preferred to take the mamot out than Dyslexicon.

I am intrigued that your first move out of the gate today has been to rail against a guy who just cast a crucial vote to lynch a scum player. Seems a bit counter-intuitive. Can we talk about how you pushed the case that was directly opposed to the lynching of said scum player all day?

There were multiple parts of my (and INH's) case against Dyslexicon. You explicitly said you liked and found my accusation re: her gambit compelling. The only thing you disagreed with was where I found her changing reads on 3J suspicious. Not liking how you condensed it into one entity to disagree with it.

Saying you cast a 'crucial' vote means nothing to me, because I question your motives.

I should have viewed the entirety of the case against a player as multiple things? What? I can agree and disagree with parts of a case, but in the end I can only choose one side on the case as a whole. In the heat of the moment, I decided I did not like it.

You seem to be an expert on my posts from last night. How would you describe my state of mind at the time?

[Quin]

@Quin, Why did you purposefully lie in your statement about Sloonei when you thought he was being non-commital?

There was an element of night kill protection to it, because I wanted to come back to it today when we we had the time to discuss it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oooo. Jack simultaneously jumping on Sloonei for the change in heart while not realizing that Quin has already brought up the same. Not a good look for the pair of them.

I'd rather you pair me with Quin than Sloonei at this point.

I may revise that statement in 3 pages.

[Dyslexicon]

Oooo. Jack simultaneously jumping on Sloonei for the change in heart while not realizing that Quin has already brought up the same. Not a good look for the pair of them.

Would you say it almost looks coordinated?

Lol, you have the most leading questions sometimes. It reads so shady and I love it. What do YOU think?
And what do YOU think about Golden.

[nutella]

Oooo. Jack simultaneously jumping on Sloonei for the change in heart while not realizing that Quin has already brought up the same. Not a good look for the pair of them.

Would you say it almost looks coordinated?

That wasn't what I thought, because I think Jack posted that without having read the last several posts and didn't realize that Quin had already brought it up. But had the same instinctive response to how convenient a "catch" it was.

[Dyslexicon]

@Eloh, Why did you ask Quin specifically for who to vote?
What answer did you expect?
Why did you not vote me, as you did D1?
What was your reasoning for deciding to vote yourself when you had a small wagon going?