Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#3001

Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.

#3002

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.

Why three specifically?

#3003

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
Why three specifically?

Because two people are disputing your claim.

#3004

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
Why three specifically?
Because two people are disputing your claim.

Why two people? Don't count Jack, he disputed it before I even made it.

#3005

Quin wrote:
juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:The thing that gives Quin an advantage over Jack in my eyes is that Quin has been unafraid to get right in the middle of things all game long. He's repeatedly thrust himself into the spotlight and been comfortable there. Jackofhearts has been around, but I can't say that he's been as directly involved in as many things as Quin.

I also have begun to feel increasingly good that at least one of Long Con and Juliets is bad, and I've seen no reason why they can't both be. The radio silence across the board (from everyone, not just those two) since shortly after I exposed my gun has been intriguing. We've had a lot of names lurking at the bottom of the page and most of them are silent. Speak up, anyone!
I am here. I am listening to what everyone has to say and will have revised reads in the morning.

I also want to ask what the probability is that there is are two doctor roles.
The only way I can see there being two doctors is if one targets on even-nights and the other on odd. I would not bet on it though.

Do you have no immediate thoughts to share right now on any of the stuff that's going on?
Yes, I do. I was waiting on clarification from the host on something which I now have and given the answer to your question, I do not believe Quin is telling the truth. I am not claiming doctor.
I would expect an actual justification for this after seeing my name in every post for the past 24 hours. juliets has just given herself precedent for a vote if the chance arises.

I'm not sure what you mean by me having given myself precedent for a vote.

Oh, interesting theory JJJ about three roles that don't always work. That is possible.

#3006

@JJJ

Suppose you magically know I am town.

I'm one universe, I truthfully claim doctor of some sort. In another, I truthfully claim not doctor.

What does each scenario do for your reads on Quin and Juliets?

#3007

I swear to god if someone else claims doctor, I'm renaming this game Spartacus mafia.

#3008

I clarified yesterday as to why nutella died last night with sprityo. His answer involved a certain wording that might support that theory, 3J.

#3009

I see no good reason for juliets to hurl suspicion at Quin in this specific way if she doesn't have a role or some other information that is suitable to that suspicion. There is already a perfectly obvious access point in this thread right now to casting suspicion upon Quin which does not require that. She has involved herself in a way which demands verifiability and personal responsibility, which suggests to me that she is truly invested in that decision. I also think juliets is among the least likely players on The Syndicate to pull an information-related gambit.

I think Quin sounds genuine in his claim and explanation of his claim. I think he sounds genuine in his irritation at being the center of attention today given that if he's a civilian it'd be a huge distraction. That's a position I have found myself in many many times.

I think Jack even sounds alright right now in his effort to interrogate Quin into a corner based upon what he'd really believe to be a damning thing. I think his production of reads and willingness to take a bullet to progress those reads look alright. I think he looks less genuine than the other two, but not necessarily insincere.

I think there are other complexities at work here and this might be our opportunity as a group to burst free from the tunnel.

#3010

3J, what's your case on Soneji?

#3011

Quin wrote:I clarified yesterday as to why nutella died last night with sprityo. His answer involved a certain wording that might support that theory, 3J.

It might be a good idea to dig deep into the flavor text. Sometimes these little nuggets make appearances there.

#3012

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I clarified yesterday as to why nutella died last night with sprityo. His answer involved a certain wording that might support that theory, 3J.
It might be a good idea to dig deep into the flavor text. Sometimes these little nuggets make appearances there.

I said yesterday that even the thread title could be interpreted as an indicator that I failed to save nutella.

#3013

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@JJJ

Suppose you magically know I am town.

I'm one universe, I truthfully claim doctor of some sort. In another, I truthfully claim not doctor.

What does each scenario do for your reads on Quin and Juliets?

The former: This applies, in concert with my theory that there might be a conglomeration of similar roles that don't function normally/properly.

The latter: I couldn't really say without further clarification. To make sense of your targets demands clarity of role function. This is not a request for you to reveal that.

#3014

Quin wrote:3J, what's your case on Soneji?

Marmot interactions

I'll need to do an individual ISO too.

#3015

I think his vote yesterday sucked and he completely sat out of the EoD 2 madness while reading the thread.

#3016

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@JJJ

Suppose you magically know I am town.

I'm one universe, I truthfully claim doctor of some sort. In another, I truthfully claim not doctor.

What does each scenario do for your reads on Quin and Juliets?
The former: This applies, in concert with my theory that there might be a conglomeration of similar roles that don't function normally/properly.

The latter: I couldn't really say without further clarification. To make sense of your targets demands clarity of role function. This is not a request for you to reveal that.

Former: Noted.

Later: I mean, does your three slightly different doctor variants theory evolve into a two doctor variants theory or go out the window if I was say....a guide?

#3017

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.

This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.

#3018

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Later: I mean, does your three slightly different doctor variants theory evolve into a two doctor variants theory or go out the window if I was say....a guide?

I think the theory works the same way with two of them instead of three. The idea is that the repetition and [apparent] excessive power of the dual roles would be covered by their malfunctionality. I have seen this before, long ago, in an RYM game I cannot recall. I believe there were three different cops and everyone was convinced the claims were bogus, but they were all true because they didn't operate normally.

#3019

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.

How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?

#3020

Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?

#3021

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.
How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?

Unlikely. But I am still unclear on the exact nature of what her role is, or what exactly your proposal would entail. Based on her reaction, it seems she may be some sort of a protective role.

#3022

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.
How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?
Unlikely. But I am still unclear on the exact nature of what her role is, or what exactly your proposal would entail. Based on her reaction, it seems she may be some sort of a protective role.

I'm unsure how much information to give out - I'm in totally new territory in terms of my mafia experience. I don't think it's in the best interest for me to claim.

#3023

Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?

Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

#3024

juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.
How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?
Unlikely. But I am still unclear on the exact nature of what her role is, or what exactly your proposal would entail. Based on her reaction, it seems she may be some sort of a protective role.
I'm unsure how much information to give out - I'm in totally new territory in terms of my mafia experience. I don't think it's in the best interest for me to claim.

Then I will claim for you. I'm a bodyguard. I can target every night.

#3025

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?
Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

#3026

Sloonei wrote:

Then I will claim for you. I'm a bodyguard. I can target every night.[/quote]

begin the clusterfuck

#3027

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?
Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

Dem GTH feels, man.

I still haven't ruled out the possibility of a marmot bus. My thoughts on that matter still haven't changed.

#3028

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?
Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

Dem GTH feels, man.

I still haven't ruled out the possibility of a marmot bus. My thoughts on that matter still haven't changed.

Well I just gave you a role claim and everything, so i dunno.

#3029

This feels like classic RYM Mafia. Good show sprityognosis.

#3030

Unless we are playing Protective Role Madness, I can't see there being 3 variants of a doctor and a full-time bodyguard. Jack hasn't necessarily claimed a doctor-type role; he rejected Quin's claim before it even came up and he's been extremely vague about what his role does. I don't see it as impossible for us to have two stunted doctors and a regular bodyguard. Again, we all have no idea what kind of setup sprityo has given us.

#3031

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This feels like classic RYM Mafia. Good show sprityognosis.

Sloonei wrote:
#ballstothewall

#3032

It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #3033

(where the heck is the popcorn smiley when i need it?!?!

#3034

speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.

Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?

#3035

Sloonei wrote:
speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.
Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?

Unfortunately, not much.

The setup claims not to have any mod bastardry, meaning that roles probably do what they say they do. I think that's what it means.

So that could be important.

I am not a protective role, if that helps.

#3036

speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.
Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?
Unfortunately, not much.

The setup claims not to have any mod bastardry, meaning that roles probably do what they say they do. I think that's what it means.

So that could be important.

I am not a protective role, if that helps.

Who would you shoot if you were in my position?

#3037

Either Jack or Soneji.

#3038

Honestly, I don't envy your position. Jack would be better for info on this whole mess, and I think of the three docs he has the best chance of scumminess.

On the other hand, I get guilty feels when I'm wrong, so Soneji would be a safer bet in that way. Even if they are town, it's not too big of a deal. But then we're back to square one with hardly any interactions to look at.

That's my terrible strategy.

#3039

speedchuck wrote:Either Jack or Soneji.

Why?

#3040

speedchuck, in your experience on sprityo's site have you seen games with the set up JJJ is talking about?

#3041

juliets wrote:speedchuck, in your experience on sprityo's site have you seen games with the set up JJJ is talking about?

I have not seen a single 'bastard' setup on that site. AKA a setup where roles don't do exactly what they say they do.

Only time I've seen it was in games on a completely different forum, and those games were clusterfucks in the sense that they cared more about insanity than balance. Like, one game gave a guy god powers. Not joking. He accidentally smited (smote?) himself.

#3042

And with that, gentlemen and lady (nutella) I'm going to bed.

I have no idea where I will put people on a read list in the morning.

#3043

I definitely intend to shoot somebody today (there's a sentence I never thought I'd be comfortable saying) with the intention of hitting scum. In my mind it is like having access two lynches in one day. I also wish to be mindful, however, of the timing of my shot. I am clearly taking all the time I want to make a decision, but I also need to give us all enough time to react to my shot so that we can lynch somebody accordingly.
I have to work tomorrow night and will be gone for the last few hours of the day, so I'm likely to shoot somebody tomorrow afternoon.

My personal preferences right now are Long Con and Scotty.

#3044

I'm doing the bed thing too.

As convenient as it would be, I think the only way that there would be three protective roles is if there are a lot more killing roles than we think.

#3045

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This feels like classic RYM Mafia. Good show sprityognosis.

This is sprityo's puppy. I just made sure it didn't piss on the carpet.

#3046

Wtf is going on. You people talk too much.

Are we all claiming? Is that what's going on? Sloonei's got a gun and he's trained it against either me or LC now eh? I still want to believe Quin is the good one and jack is the bad one in all of this, and apparently Justin like yesterday, you guys seem to keep talking yourself out of it.

I can claim too- I don't really give a shit anymore, because I've been far too inactive to utilize it my full potential and may be running out of opportunities in this clusterfuck with all these more powerful claims.

My role? I'm a fucking stump.

#3047

Scotty wrote:Wtf is going on. You people talk too much.

Are we all claiming? Is that what's going on? Sloonei's got a gun and he's trained it against either me or LC now eh? I still want to believe Quin is the good one and jack is the bad one in all of this, and apparently Justin like yesterday, you guys seem to keep talking yourself out of it.

I can claim too- I don't really give a shit anymore, because I've been far too inactive to utilize it my full potential and may be running out of opportunities in this clusterfuck with all these more powerful claims.

My role? I'm a fucking stump.

Stumps are literally my favourite role and you are civ, sir.

#3048

Scotty wrote:My role? I'm a fucking stump.

As in the kind that has no vote or night actions?

#3049

A mafia game where the baddie team gives stump status to a player each night instead of the night kill. All 'deadies' can talk. Two mafia teams.

#3050

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Scotty wrote:My role? I'm a fucking stump.

As in the kind that has no vote or night actions?

If I activate.

Which is why I haven't activated. Because if I don't talk then I'm literally a loss to the civs, because I'd essentially be dead.

So as of now I'm a vanilla. Or I could be a Furby that wakes you up at 3am with ghostly tremors

How would you Rate this game?