Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#3551

Dizzy has sat out of the majority of the discussion on me. There are probably others.

At each and every one of them.

#3552

Quin wrote:Dizzy has sat out of the majority of the discussion on me. There are probably others. At each and every one of them.

Lynch Quin

#3553

Dyslexicon wrote:
Quin wrote:Dizzy has sat out of the majority of the discussion on me. There are probably others. At each and every one of them.
Lynch Quin

Perfect

#3554

I'm going to sneak out of here for a bit; I really have to finish typing up some thoughts re: dissertation proposal. I'll be around before the Day ends though for sure. Throw your rainbows and other stuff at me; I'll look at them in a bit. I hate sitting out votes, but I don't want to make some shitty uninformed vote either.

#3555

Scotty wrote:So....

Just to clarify for people-

I havent felt the need to activate yet because of my time constraints. If I activate and it's me, 2 other civs and 2 mafia left, town loses.

Oh, and I'm tempted to believe Mp on his claim. Welcome Mp!

I feel like Golden could very well be bad too, but I'm voting for Soneji because I think his popping in right before Sloonei said he was about to pull the trigger is a ponderface.

Still not feeling great about juliets yet either

I would recommend you activate it if you intend on trying to spearhead discussion. That's the greatest benefit of the stump role. Otherwise, your vote is probably more valuable.

#3556

Soneji wrote:I can say that I dealt with a confirmed JJJ for over seven cycles in Turf Wars as scum and won. Worship me

#3557

Stump basically seems like the perfect role for me.

#3558

someone got a tally?

#3559

Epignosis wrote:
Soneji wrote:I can say that I dealt with a confirmed JJJ for over seven cycles in Turf Wars as scum and won. Worship me

My partner in crime, how goes it?

#3560

I may change my vote but for the moment I'm going to

Vote Quin

If he gets lynched and is town I will expect to get lynched after him.

#3561

What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.

#3562

juliets wrote:I may change my vote but for the moment I'm going to

Vote Quin

If he gets lynched and is town I will expect to get lynched after him.

When I'm lynched I expect you to name the other doctor. I don't believe you haven't ruled out redundancy.

#3563

Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.

Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.

#3564

Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.

Is Long Con your teammate?

#3565

Quin wrote:
juliets wrote:I may change my vote but for the moment I'm going to

Vote Quin

If he gets lynched and is town I will expect to get lynched after him.
When I'm lynched I expect you to name the other doctor. I don't believe you haven't ruled out redundancy.

I haven't ruled out redundancy and I still might change my vote.

#3566

Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.

I'm not your teammate. I suggested a CFD on you.

#3567

Can someone go over the case on Soneji again? There were the Marmot interactions and then what else?

#3568

Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
Is Long Con your teammate?

I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.

#3569

Quin wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
I'm not your teammate. I suggested a CFD on you.

You do you Quin. If I have to I'll vote you to save myself this phase but I'd prefer not to.

#3570

Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
Is Long Con your teammate?
I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.

Quin has done absolutely nothing that you've found suspicious in this game?

#3571

Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
Is Long Con your teammate?
I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.
Quin has done absolutely nothing that you've found suspicious in this game?

The Sorcha stuff early was some weird tinfoil but no real hard ping. I'm still not caught up but as of now, nothing has really struck me as particularly scummy with Quin.

#3572

Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
Is Long Con your teammate?
I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.
Quin has done absolutely nothing that you've found suspicious in this game?
The Sorcha stuff early was some weird tinfoil but no real hard ping. I'm still not caught up but as of now, nothing has really struck me as particularly scummy with Quin.

I find this hard to believe coming from a guy who never town reads anybody.

#3573

Oh Boy Oh Boy

VOTALS:

Soneji (2): Sloonei, Scotty
Quin (4): Golden, Strawhenge, Dyselxicon, juliets
Golden (2): Quin, Soneji

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch, 3 to Soft Lynch

Day ends in 100 minutes

#3574

@Juliets, Can you answer my question?

Your erring on the Quin-vote isn't a great look to me, no matter what Quin's alignment is.

#3575

I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?

#3576

juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?

Does your qualms with Quin have something to do with Wilgy?

#3577

Where is JJJ? He's my sanity now that Nut is gone.

#3578

Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?
Does your qualms with Quin have something to do with Wilgy?

Oh I thought I answered that - No it doesnt

What do you mean my err?

#3579

Sloonei wrote:I've read Soneji's and Fredwood's posts. Fredwood looks good. Soneji looks like a big shrug. I agree with Jay that his spinning of a suspicion against Fredwood has the potential of a scum player pursuing a low hanging fruit case while avoiding heavier scrutiny by getting involved in any of the more central issues. There are a lot of things which Soneji has said absolutely nothing about in this game. He appears to have been active on Day 1 but then fell behind. I don't fault him for that, but it provides an uninspiring history of activity in this game.

I also felt like his treatment of Dyslexicon on Day 1 was first angling to suspect him, and then later a begrudging acceptance that the slip itself was not suspicious while refusing to relinquish his general suspicion against Dizzy. I did not like it.

Fredwood looks like a townie who is trying to get his feet under him in a foreign environment.

I did suspect him, though I don't see why you would call my posts a begrudging acceptance of it. I never stated any suspicion of Dizzy after reading his evidence, only argued against Silver claiming that I was town reading Dizzy.

#3580

I'll be back in about 30 minutes. I'm always watching though.

#3581

juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:@Juliets, Does your qualms with Quin has anything to do with Wilgy?
No, it doesn't Dys.

Here is where I answered it. I just don't want you to think I ignored you.

#3582

juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?

I mean i didnt see 4 votes as i scrolled through 9 pages of text

If it wasnt colored brightly or made apparent, i might've missed someone's

#3583

juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?
Does your qualms with Quin have something to do with Wilgy?
Oh I thought I answered that - No it doesnt

What do you mean my err?

It seems like you hold some info that should either make you pretty certain Quin is scum, or I just don't understand it. Also commenting that you expect to be lynched if he isn't scum is weird to me - why say that?

#3584

CliffNotes reasons to suspect Long Con: he claimed to have given me the gun on Night 2 after I had moved my focus onto him, despite there being no strong in-thread evidence to suggest I was on his townie radar at that point, and some evidence which even suggests I wasn't. I also have doubts that the gun was the gift of an individual player. Combine that with the fact of Jay's night 2 results: Long Con targeted no one. It looks like Long Con just pulled saved himself from being shot by lying through his teeth. Or fingers. Whatever.
I think he's bad and I think Soneji is bad too. Quin or Golden might be, I don't wish to offer a read on them right now though.

#3585

I know speed voted, he may have pulled it of. I wasn't sure if JJJ voted was just posting approx numbers

#3586

Thinking about it, timetraveling and stuff, Soneji being nonchelant about slipgate is pingy too. o.o

#3587

Sloonei wrote:CliffNotes reasons to suspect Long Con: he claimed to have given me the gun on Night 2 after I had moved my focus onto him, despite there being no strong in-thread evidence to suggest I was on his townie radar at that point, and some evidence which even suggests I wasn't. I also have doubts that the gun was the gift of an individual player. Combine that with the fact of Jay's night 2 results: Long Con targeted no one. It looks like Long Con just pulled saved himself from being shot by lying through his teeth. Or fingers. Whatever.
I think he's bad and I think Soneji is bad too. Quin or Golden might be, I don't wish to offer a read on them right now though.

I could vote Long Con.

#3588

Sloonei wrote:CliffNotes reasons to suspect Long Con: he claimed to have given me the gun on Night 2 after I had moved my focus onto him, despite there being no strong in-thread evidence to suggest I was on his townie radar at that point, and some evidence which even suggests I wasn't. I also have doubts that the gun was the gift of an individual player. Combine that with the fact of Jay's night 2 results: Long Con targeted no one. It looks like Long Con just pulled saved himself from being shot by lying through his teeth. Or fingers. Whatever.
I think he's bad and I think Soneji is bad too. Quin or Golden might be, I don't wish to offer a read on them right now though.

Alright.

Vote Soneji.

Could go Long Con as well.
Gut says bad, and frankly I should've listened to that as soon as it popped up.

#3589

Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What's the tally looking like? I might be coming back around on believing with all my heart that Long Con is bad.
Lots of people think Quin and I are bad. Around 4 each I think at this point.
Is Long Con your teammate?
I don't know LC's alignment, only my own. I would be inclined to vote for him over Quin, as he has pinged me several times to Quin's zero.
Quin has done absolutely nothing that you've found suspicious in this game?
The Sorcha stuff early was some weird tinfoil but no real hard ping. I'm still not caught up but as of now, nothing has really struck me as particularly scummy with Quin.
I find this hard to believe coming from a guy who never town reads anybody.

That is twisting my meta. That I don't town read people doesn't mean I will have specific suspicions on every player throughout the game. All it means is that I pretty much don't allow myself to view others as town, taking a cold, calculative approach to the game.

Whereas your reads would look like:

Town:

Player A
Player D
Player I

Slight town:

Player G

Mafia:

Player B
Player V
Player Y

Mine would be like:

Slight scum read:

Player C
Player F

Moderate scum read:

Player M

Hard scum read:

Player T
Player W

In essence quite similar, just a different mindset.

#3590

Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?
Does your qualms with Quin have something to do with Wilgy?
Oh I thought I answered that - No it doesnt

What do you mean my err?
It seems like you hold some info that should either make you pretty certain Quin is scum, or I just don't understand it. Also commenting that you expect to be lynched if he isn't scum is weird to me - why say that?

Only because I do expect it. And its true I'm not telling everything because I cant see that it's in the best interest of the town. So I'm depending on my ability to determine the right thing to do in this situation and I admit I might be doing the wrong thing.

#3591

Lynch Long Con

#3592

Long Con

#3593

juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:I thought there were 4 votes on Soneji?

linki Dyslexicon I'm sorry I didn't see a question. Should I go look for it or do you want to repeat it?
Does your qualms with Quin have something to do with Wilgy?
Oh I thought I answered that - No it doesnt

What do you mean my err?
It seems like you hold some info that should either make you pretty certain Quin is scum, or I just don't understand it. Also commenting that you expect to be lynched if he isn't scum is weird to me - why say that?
Only because I do expect it. And its true I'm not telling everything because I cant see that it's in the best interest of the town. So I'm depending on my ability to determine the right thing to do in this situation and I admit I might be doing the wrong thing.

Alright, well it's all terribly confusing. Probably isn't helping that I have holes in this game day.

#3594

Quin wrote:Long Con

Look at us cooperating and being all cooperaty.

#3595

Pale Purple is hard to see against White

VOTALS:

Soneji (3): speedchuck, Sloonei, Scotty,
Quin (3): Golden, Strawhenge, juliets
Golden (1): Soneji
Long Con (2): Quin, Dysleixcon

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch, 3 to Soft Lynch

Day ends in 100 minutes

#3596

^I vote Long Con.

#3597

Sloonei wrote:CliffNotes reasons to suspect Long Con: he claimed to have given me the gun on Night 2 after I had moved my focus onto him, despite there being no strong in-thread evidence to suggest I was on his townie radar at that point, and some evidence which even suggests I wasn't. I also have doubts that the gun was the gift of an individual player. Combine that with the fact of Jay's night 2 results: Long Con targeted no one. It looks like Long Con just pulled saved himself from being shot by lying through his teeth. Or fingers. Whatever.
I think he's bad and I think Soneji is bad too. Quin or Golden might be, I don't wish to offer a read on them right now though.

Hmm. Pretty good case on LC. How could he have given you the gun if he targeted no one? What's the explanation for that?

#3598

Soneji wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:Also, I'm not a dumb player. I don't obv-slip like that if scum. It would be me pretending to be town that fake slipped to emulate my town game.

Would expect more from Golden. "A great catch", really? Glaringly ovbious and classic I'd say.

Anyways, people are biting. Rawr.

When does day end?
So you're taking the route of "it was bait". This is generally the most desperate reaction to being caught slipping. I've seen intelligent people make slip-ups as bad or worse than what you look to have.

The "I guess I don't fit in here" post also seems like playing the victim to me. Dys has provided the links to the games he was talking about which I'll look into when I can, since I'm pretty much out of time for the moment. I can see the value in reaction fishing but when you do it for something that townies will react strongly to as well, it muddies the waters.

Soneji wrote:Not only does Dys link show him making the exact same play but it happened just last month. There might be room to be skeptical if he had to dig up something from years ago but as is there is nothing to contest.

Soneji wrote:It wouldn't be a brilliant scum play as there is no true benefit for Dys in doing it, while it had a strong chance of getting them lynched with the hammer vote in place. Let's be clear that Dys is not getting town cred for his fake slip, proving that it was just that only removes him from the obvious lynch pile.

Soneji wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:
Soneji wrote:It wouldn't be a brilliant scum play as there is no true benefit for Dys in doing it, while it had a strong chance of getting them lynched with the hammer vote in place. Let's be clear that Dys is not getting town cred for his fake slip, proving that it was just that only removes him from the obvious lynch pile.

He got plenty of town cred from you. You're convinced he's town since he did it a month ago.

Are you seriously arguing that getting instant town cred by saying, "hey look at this link guys, I do this when I am town," isn't a true benefit to a mafioso?
wat

"Let's be clear, Dizzy isn't town for this."
"No, you're convinced he's town. I don't like your reasoning for being convinced he's town. I'm going to vote you for your silly reasoning."

Perhaps I should follow more of this argument, but dang SL, you almost made me switch my vote off of Strawhenge with that reasoning. Is there a post that Soneji makes that argues Dizzy as looking towny?
He is confusing me saying that the argument that Dys legit slilled is pretty much null and void as me giving Dys town cred. Dys can be still be scum and faking his town meta with that fake slip, it is just not an angle that I think is worth pursuing.

A lot of people confuse convoluted with brilliant.

Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:That latter post of Soneji is not something I like. It's shutting down opposition to something that by all rights should be discussed until everyone's sick of talking about it.
Says the queen of tinfoil.

Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:That latter post of Soneji is not something I like. It's shutting down opposition to something that by all rights should be discussed until everyone's sick of talking about it.
Says the queen of tinfoil.
i do not know what relevance tinfoil as a concept has to my post, so this just feels like you're discrediting me.

Besides, I never tinfoil.
It was a joke Quin.

As for your argument about Dys being scummy due to how he followed up his fake slip, with the reads he gave and hiw he gave them, that is a valid avenue of discussion. The only thing I was saying is that the argument that Dys is scum based on him knowledge slipping is pretty much off the table. Questioning his follow-up or motivation for trying that tactic here is well within bounds.

Soneji wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Golden wrote: Given you had read the thread through this far and should know that I'd explained at least part of my rationale for why I hadn't voted yet - how do you come to a legitimate vote for me later?
I have no real excuse. The first post was part of a quick 12-page skim, the second was a post just looking at the immediate reaction to the 'scumslip'.
Part of the reason I lost interest so quickly in that vote.

Silver Lantern wrote:
speedchuck wrote: Perhaps I should follow more of this argument, but dang SL, you almost made me switch my vote off of Strawhenge with that reasoning. Is there a post that Soneji makes that argues Dizzy as looking towny?
Yes.
Soneji wrote: Not only does Dys link show him making the exact same play but it happened just last month. There might be room to be skeptical if he had to dig up something from years ago but as is there is nothing to contest.
Filler.
Is that second post supposed to be confirming Dizzy as town? Because I read it as confirming that this play wasn't a scumslip. (No idea what you mean by 'filler').
This doesn't do it for me.
I think he is salty that I said one of his posts might be a "filler" post by mafia, one that seems like it is contributing but has little of actual value.

The irony for me in all of this is that he suspects me in part for thinking I townread someone, when in the GoC game I got lynched partly due to my meta of not doing townreads period. I don't even let myself think of people in terms of them being town, outsidd of mechanical clearance where some healthy skepticism remains.

Soneji wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:
Soneji wrote:
speedchuck wrote:
Golden wrote: Given you had read the thread through this far and should know that I'd explained at least part of my rationale for why I hadn't voted yet - how do you come to a legitimate vote for me later?
I have no real excuse. The first post was part of a quick 12-page skim, the second was a post just looking at the immediate reaction to the 'scumslip'.
Part of the reason I lost interest so quickly in that vote.

Silver Lantern wrote:
speedchuck wrote: Perhaps I should follow more of this argument, but dang SL, you almost made me switch my vote off of Strawhenge with that reasoning. Is there a post that Soneji makes that argues Dizzy as looking towny?
Yes.
Soneji wrote: Not only does Dys link show him making the exact same play but it happened just last month. There might be room to be skeptical if he had to dig up something from years ago but as is there is nothing to contest.
Filler.
Is that second post supposed to be confirming Dizzy as town? Because I read it as confirming that this play wasn't a scumslip. (No idea what you mean by 'filler').
This doesn't do it for me.
I think he is salty that I said one of his posts might be a "filler" post by mafia, one that seems like it is contributing but has little of actual value.

The irony for me in all of this is that he suspects me in part for thinking I townread someone, when in the GoC game I got lynched partly due to my meta of not doing townreads period. I don't even let myself think of people in terms of them being town, outsidd of mechanical clearance where some healthy skepticism remains.
"That's my secret Captain, I'm always angry..."

Heh, in my home site if your post isn't atleast 10 characters it won't post, so when we post something short, like "no" we tend to follow up with "fills," or "filler."

I am not voting for you cause I am salty (which I always am btw), I am voting for you because you're making silly arguments like saying that something which can give town rep is not a benefit to a mafioso, and therefore not a good play.
The silly argument is that saying the amount of towncred that might be achievable with what Dys pulled is worth the high possibility of getting lynched, especially when hammer rules are in play.

I haven't seen a single person give actual town cred to Dys. Several people are still voting for Dys based on it and others like myself and Golden have outright stated that Dys should not get towncred.

Silly arguments are not exactly mafia motivated arguments though, which is why I'm not voting you. What I don't understand is that if you are so convinced of the probability of a mafia Dys posting a fake slip to gain town cred, why aren't you voting Dys?

Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Quin wrote:That latter post of Soneji is not something I like. It's shutting down opposition to something that by all rights should be discussed until everyone's sick of talking about it.
Says the queen of tinfoil.
i do not know what relevance tinfoil as a concept has to my post, so this just feels like you're discrediting me.

Besides, I never tinfoil.
It was a joke Quin.

As for your argument about Dys being scummy due to how he followed up his fake slip, with the reads he gave and hiw he gave them, that is a valid avenue of discussion. The only thing I was saying is that the argument that Dys is scum based on him knowledge slipping is pretty much off the table. Questioning his follow-up or motivation for trying that tactic here is well within bounds.
Maybe you're misunderstanding what I'm talking about. I think that her reads based on people's reactions to the fakeslip look okay. But she also mentioned that she had three scum-reads in the same post, and when pressed about it, she denied having any - adding to that, I'm pretty sure she expressed independent suspicion of Golden before that as well.

Is Dys male or female? I'm seeing his's and her's thrown around a lot.
I don't see anything bizarre about mentioning reads that don't exist in the same post that has a fake knowledge slip. Just seems like it was part of baiting reactions.

I don't understand the mindset of trickster types

Soneji wrote:
Silver Lantern wrote:
Soneji wrote: The silly argument is that saying the amount of towncred that might be achievable with what Dys pulled is worth the high possibility of getting lynched, especially when hammer rules are in play.

I haven't seen a single person give actual town cred to Dys. Several people are still voting for Dys based on it and others like myself and Golden have outright stated that Dys should not get towncred.

Silly arguments are not exactly mafia motivated arguments though, which is why I'm not voting you. What I don't understand is that if you are so convinced of the probability of a mafia Dys posting a fake slip to gain town cred, why aren't you voting Dys?
Please quote where I stated that I am convinced that Dys is mafia and did it to gain town cred.

I'll wait, while you fabricate another silly argument.
You are certainly convinced that the probability that Dys would do it for town cred is high and have posted rather clear suspicion on multiple occasions, alongside your own suspicion on my argument against it being a smart play. Multiquoting is too much of a pain on my phone and anyone who checks your post history can see the posts I have referenced.

I have to wonder what mafia motivation I have to argue against the idea that what Dys did is a good play? Do you think I'm scummates with Dys?

This whole fabricating argument thing is getting a bit old.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/infer

One of the most important words to know in the game of mafia. Learn it.

I think we understand the word nonchalant differently, to say the least.

#3599

Dyslexicon wrote:^I vote Long Con.

Perhaps if you didnt enjoy switching votes so often i wouldnt have to edit my votals : ^)

#3600

sprityo wrote:Dysleixcon

the irony

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