Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

[Tangrowth]

I will go back to Quin since people see a case on top of my knowledge but I don't want to hammer.

Your vote puts it 1 away from hammer then. I'll back off.

Unvote

Technically, she did not vote.

Yes, true, I figured she'd be following up her intention to vote with an actual vote, so I wanted to get that changed in time. My worry was unfounded it seems.

[juliets]

We need to see the votes - are we tied?

If I was right all along about Quin I'm going to be very frustrated.

Jack was town... was that whole ordeal town-town? I doubt it, at this stage of the game. MM is the only baddie we've got, right?

I don't think it was T-T, but like I said earlier, I had a crisis of confidence.

I have not changed my vote off of Soneji.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In the war of EOD pressure, Long Con and Quin are kicking Soneji's butt.

[Golden]

Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.

As confident as a read can be without information.

I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.

[Quin]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

[Long Con]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

I would classify it as "desperation level" confidence.

[Tangrowth]

MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:

Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.

Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.

Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.

That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.

Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.

This is all awesome to know. Thank you.

I apologize to be that burden of a guy who just replaced in and is constantly asking questions and requesting summaries. Every little bit that you all can spare helps, but I don't want to impede productive mafia hunting either.

[Long Con]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

And there is no possible way that a third party could have altered things? None?

[Golden]

I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

[Tangrowth]

Given what speedchuck just summarized, as well as a clear attempt to paint LC as a bullshit artist AND a lack of town-seeming presence at the moment, I'm going to hop back on Soneji. It seems like the strongest case to me -- I would rather go on in-thread interaction behavior than very complex night action stuff anyway.

vote Soneji

[Quin]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

And there is no possible way that a third party could have altered things? None?

You targeted Sloonei to give him a gun. Sloonei received a gun. Jay tracked you. You did no such thing.

It's not a matter of being role blocked or misdirected. Unless I pull some role I've never heard of out of my ass, there's no explanation for why this is the case.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.

[Fredwood]

MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:

Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.

Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.

Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.

That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.

Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.

This is all awesome to know. Thank you.

I apologize to be that burden of a guy who just replaced in and is constantly asking questions and requesting summaries. Every little bit that you all can spare helps, but I don't want to impede productive mafia hunting either.

I will say that Juliets counter-claim is specifically that there is another odd-night town doctor. Which is what Quin claimed. It's not a vague counter claim, Juliets is protecting the identity. The problem is that we have so much other shenanigans, and the Quin claim happened in a way that is pretty damning, but in a way that make it seem that it's too obvious to make that play if you're scum.

[Tangrowth]

Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.

I agree. I'd say that's a bad look for Soneji. Agree or disagree?

[Long Con]

I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.

[sprityo]

It's AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTALS:

Soneji (6): speedchuck, Sloonei, Scotty, juliets, JJJ, MP
Quin (3): Golden, Strawhenge, Long Con,
Long Con (3): Quin, Soneji, Dyslexicon,


With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch, 3 to Soft Lynch

Day ends in 15 minutes

[speedchuck]

Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.

As confident as a read can be without information.

I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.

Me three

[Tangrowth]

MP, here's the deal in a nutshell:

Quin's claim was made in a bad way, under dubious circumstances, and we have a half-sorta counter claim from Julets. Quin's reads have also been opposed to everyone else's for a lot of the game. Jack, who was just killed as town, made some pretty aggressive cases toward quin.

Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.

Long Con claimed to give Sloon the gun that sloon used. Our confirmed town tracker says that is a lie. Shenanigans.

That's about as simple as the cases get, I think.

Still feeling town!Quin, if less strongly than before. But that's me.

This is all awesome to know. Thank you.

I apologize to be that burden of a guy who just replaced in and is constantly asking questions and requesting summaries. Every little bit that you all can spare helps, but I don't want to impede productive mafia hunting either.

I will say that Juliets counter-claim is specifically that there is another odd-night town doctor. Which is what Quin claimed. It's not a vague counter claim, Juliets is protecting the identity. The problem is that we have so much other shenanigans, and the Quin claim happened in a way that is pretty damning, but in a way that make it seem that it's too obvious to make that play if you're scum.

Cool, thanks for the additional info.

Not sure what to make of it yet, but yeah.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.

I agree. I'd say that's a bad look for Soneji. Agree or disagree?

Bad. If EOD pressure has any value, this would be the application.

[Quin]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.

The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.

[Tangrowth]

I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.

than Soneji, you mean? Why?

[Soneji]

Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
.

JJJ somehow twisted me responding to INH's map talk to me agreeing with INH on just Golden and JJJ being potentially suspicious, which was based on INH voting MM himself to get the map. Never went anywhere because in that same response I plainly stated that I doubt any location on the map was specifically favorable to one faction.

[juliets]

I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.

I agree.

Wait Fred this not quite right.

If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.

linki 1000 times

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.

The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.

What I mean is that Long Con claimed to give Sloonei a thing that we know for sure he had. The night of the claim is aligned. So: if Long Con didn't give that gun to Sloonei, the voting public did. Do you believe that the corrupted jury is the gun?

[sprityo]

linki: MP slipped past me, Soneji has 6 votes currently

[Long Con]

I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.

than Soneji, you mean? Why?

Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.

[Quin]

Jay, how affirmative is that statement re: juliets? Assign a percentage.

As confident as a read can be without information.

I feel more or less the same at this point. Very civ vibes from jules today.

Me three

I do not share or understand why you have this level of confidence. I imagine you've figured out her role for some reason. The one I have in mind for her could be of either alignment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Soneji has incriminating reactions with the dead scum guy, Marmot. And man, those gut feels.
.

JJJ somehow twisted me responding to INH's map talk to me agreeing with INH on just Golden and JJJ being potentially suspicious, which was based on INH voting MM himself to get the map. Never went anywhere because in that same response I plainly stated that I doubt any location on the map was specifically favorable to one faction.

I twisted it, eh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

linki: MP slipped past me, Soneji has 6 votes currently

L-1!!!

No hammers allowed.

[Sloonei]

I'm trying to keep up with this while working. I can't. Y'all do what y'all like best. Long Connand Soneji are both good options and I don't know enough about why Quin is in the conversation right now to say that he's a bad option. Go town.

[Tangrowth]

I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.

than Soneji, you mean? Why?

Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.

What's the best example of that?

[Long Con]

I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.

I agree.

Wait Fred this not quite right.

If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.

linki 1000 times

Two odd night doctors is... less likely. Explain? We have 13 minutes still.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm feeling much stronger about Quin at this point.

than Soneji, you mean? Why?

Because I'm watching him twist words and facts right in front of my face to try and take me down.

But not Soneji. Are they teammates or does Quin have a special reason to want you dead?

[Fredwood]

I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.

I agree.

Wait Fred this not quite right.

If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.

linki 1000 times

Ok...I think I get it, just that someone else "could" doctor on an odd night...right? That actually helps Q in my mind.

[Quin]

Soneji and Quin both seem to be throwing around some pretty strong language about LC being bad. Am I misinterpreting confidence level?

Item givers do not fail to appear performing said action when tracked. I don't even know what I'd do if I'm wrong about that.

Sloonei had a gun. Do you believe the gun was the corrupted jury?

My impression of the role was a lynch save or vote manipulation power.

The odds that the Jury was a gun and that LC also tried to give him a gun on the same night, lol.

What I mean is that Long Con claimed to give Sloonei a thing that we know for sure he had. The night of the claim is aligned. So: if Long Con didn't give that gun to Sloonei, the voting public did. Do you believe that the corrupted jury is the gun?

No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

[Golden]

Ugh - torn between declaring the item I got that LC claims to have given me on night 2 just to be clear about why I think it's not the corrupted jury, and the fact I genuinely think it's not in the town interest to do so...

I really wish nutella was here to say whether she got the corrupted jury.

[Soneji]

Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.

Soneji, whose been behind and has been trying to catch up while also replying to the current going ons, is surprisingly behind the pace. That is some great detective work there JJJ

[Tangrowth]

Unvote

Just to be safe

I still intend to re-vote Soneji

[speedchuck]

Then where the heck did the gun come from?

[Long Con]

Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?

Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.

The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.

That I'm "painting myself" (ugh) as more integral than I was.

LITERALLY one vote less and MM would have walked. EVERY vote was integral.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Quin: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's firing off retorts.

Soneji: faced with significant EOD pressure, he's here, he's making a few posts per hour and seems behind the pace.

Soneji, whose been behind and has been trying to catch up while also replying to the current going ons, is surprisingly behind the pace. That is some great detective work there JJJ

Why are you trying to catch up in the middle of an EOD sequence which is quite possibly about to result in your death?

[Quin]

Then where the heck did the gun come from?

Not Long Con.

[Long Con]

(That was answering MP)

[juliets]

I'm feeling very ok with either soneji or quin lynches, but I'll stick my vote where it is in any event because it helps me stay sane and avoid hammer shenanigans.

I agree.

Wait Fred this not quite right.

If I am right there are two odd night doctorings. That doesn't necessarily mean another odd night doctor if you get my meaning. Sorry if thats how it came across. I'm shit at explaining this I know.

linki 1000 times

Two odd night doctors is... less likely. Explain? We have 13 minutes still.

My information says there is a doctor out there which would mean if Quin is an odd night doctor there are two doctors operating on the odd nights.

[Golden]

Just in case - map moves for the next four days:

South East
East
North East
Portal

Do not go west, young man.

[Tangrowth]

My gut is saying cool things about LC right now. Not sure why. But he seems like a good guy and stuff.

[Fredwood]

Then where the heck did the gun come from?

[Quin]

Did you read my debunk of LC's response to you about marmot?

Yes. I don't care about his Marmot vote either way. It's dead center and bus-friendly, but not bus-indicative. I care about the Long Con happening right now.

The long con happening right now just gave you a bullshit reason for voting a baddie while painting himself as more integral to the fact than he really was.

That I'm "painting myself" (ugh) as more integral than I was.

LITERALLY one vote less and MM would have walked. EVERY vote was integral.

Your vote was not made with the thought that it needed to be made to ensure that somebody was lynched. This is not an argument you have the credibility to make, because you weren't around to witness EoD.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No. I think it has some effect on the lynch poll.

Could be. If the corrupted jury isn't the gun, why did Sloonei have a gun today?