Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?
Hmmm...Fredwood wrote:Which leaves us in an interesting situation, unless Wilgy wants to deny being Leviathan. If he's not Leviathan... well I have no fucking clue why he would play it that way unless he wasn't Leviathan or a Reaper.
wait, so you never had info after all? Is this it?DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.
I'm not a cop, but this:Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?
Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.
Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.
lol, I feel stupid for following you following wilgy.Fredwood wrote:I give up...Seriously, I just feel stupid now. I'll check back later and vote for whoever is leading.
Why do you believe his claim?nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.
I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.
linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?
I think there are two possible silencers. At least.nutella wrote:lol, I feel stupid for following you following wilgy.Fredwood wrote:I give up...Seriously, I just feel stupid now. I'll check back later and vote for whoever is leading.
I'd recommend a silver vote
linki @ dys: hmm, has he? maybe there are two people silenced, or one of them is faking? :/
I did not come to the conclusion that Wilgy is Leviathan from that.Fredwood wrote:Which leaves us in an interesting situation, unless Wilgy wants to deny being Leviathan. If he's not Leviathan... well I have no fucking clue why he would play it that way unless he wasn't Leviathan or a Reaper.
So the way you did this was, like a gambit of sorts.DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.
I'm not a cop, but this:Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?
Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.
Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.
I see you Wilgy.Sorry, I don't understand the question, in what treatment?MovingPictures07 wrote:Anyone? You don't think there's any way to discern which of those seemed sincere versus insincere in that treatment?Adam wrote:If you're after gfish's teammates, high priority should be those who tried to lynch the Geth.MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to finish these journal reviews, should be around starting hopefully within the next hour or so, then will be here off and on through EoD. First order of business will be investigating Nifty, LC, and whomever else you all think deserves higher priority for whatever reason. Let me know your requests if you have any please.
Good point about the vote. Dunno.TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.
What's the usual on HCR? Silencing that stops you from voting? Maybe he assumes he can't vote, if silenced?Dyslexicon wrote:Good point about the vote. Dunno.TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.
On HCR, usually silenced players can't vote (because there we have to post to vote) and also silenced players are usually immune to being lynched. Stops the scum play of trying to lynch someone who can't defend themselves.Long Con wrote:What's the usual on HCR? Silencing that stops you from voting? Maybe he assumes he can't vote, if silenced?Dyslexicon wrote:Good point about the vote. Dunno.TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.
LA, tell me more about this S~V~S suspicion if you don't mind.nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.
I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.
linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?
Generally, but it depends on the players and circumstances to a small degree.Adam wrote:Is it considered bad etiquette here to lynch a silenced player?
Long Con wasn't reading Llama that way, either.Adam wrote:EBWOP: not to mention Long Con is not reading him that way.CaptainNifty wrote:Because pretty much everyone from his home site is reading him that way.Adam wrote:Ebwop: Additionally, why do you say Wilgy is clearly civ? He pushed to lynch gfish, but we have two scum teams here, and there's nothing stopping Wilgy from being Reaper.CaptainNifty wrote:
Linki: Regarding what Adam just said. Voting Wigly is seriously scum. Fred is in my face and it makes me uncomfortable, but voting for him is ridiculous. Wigly is in your face, but he's clearly civ. vote Adam
Not to mention he's clearly scum hunting. Got anything other than he's pushing for you?
And scum hunting for Cerberus =/= town.
I giggledEpignosis wrote:Maybe he's trying to work out how to make a rainbow just using the poll?S~V~S wrote:I think he's silenced becasue he's voting and not posting. It is more common than not for silencing to NOT be announced. But after I voted him, he moved his vote from Adam to me, then when I saw his last post was before the night post, and unvoted him, he moved his vote OFF of me. Either he is silenced or he is pretending to be silenced, but in either case, being unable to ascertain which, I prefer not to vote for him if he cannot respond.Dyslexicon wrote:@SVS - I don't see a confirmation of Jack being silenced though, also he already posted this day so he's probably not. In any case I don't think that would be alignment indicative for him, do you?
Open question: How normal is it for info to be leaked through the write up? I'm not used to that, and I don't know the ME games, so I'm not getting a lot out of the write ups and not sure I should?
If he's bad, yeah. She just shot up to the top of my list in general. Nutella, did you see my question for you before?Fredwood wrote:Well nutella just shot up to the top of the list of Spirit's teammates.
Really? Work that one out, I would like to hear itnutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.
I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.
linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?
I think it is. And ugh, Silver has not posted all day either.Adam wrote:Is it considered bad etiquette here to lynch a silenced player?
Yeah, tell me about it too.MovingPictures07 wrote:LA, tell me more about this S~V~S suspicion if you don't mind.nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.
I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.
linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?
Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table
I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver
Fredwood wrote:Here's why Nifty is pinging me so hard, I figured I had to make a seperate post because a lot of things he did yesterday bothered me, and kept building.
He was on the Epi pressure originally with gfish, despite his rainbow having gfish pretty low on his first rainbow list.
Spoiler: show
Maybe this is different playstyle, but I really don't follow one of my biggest danger reads on a pressure train, even if it's on my strongest scum reads. Additionally there's no other additional information or explanation about his rainbow list aside from some generic statements in a previous post about gfish epi and myself. To me if you're gonna bother to do a rainbow, at least give people a chance to argue against it...dunno.
That's the only explanation he has for any of his rainbow.Spoiler: show
His gfish suspicion seems weak at best, and it's in response to him calling him out. Putting him at the bottom of this list for no other reason then calling you out seems weak.
Another interesting thing here is his statement about me never leaving yellow, but an hour later completely buys my fuck up as innocent after other players just dismiss it as being suspicious.
These post are all kinds of weird to me. The first one is literally the first post after Epi drops his Geth Bomb, it's not a linki, it's 10 minutes after Epi's post. So between the time Epi seemed to be claiming Vega, he switched from Epi to Jack, then the post after Epi plays a gambit, he switches to TSP...what?Spoiler: show
The second quote is a response to Jack asking him of the choices between Jack, Epi and Fish who Nifty is most likely to vote for...He responds by saying he's probably going to vote for Silver, but he's going to keep his vote on TSP
So there's 3 legitimate options to vote for, and in a direct question to who you're inclined to vote for you Say you're probably going to vote for a 4th one, but keep your vote on a 5th person? What?
Couple of hours after the previous post, sticks to the belief that Epi is the best lynch between Gfish, Jack and Epi...furthering the safest lynch scenario that Gfish put forward. Also there was plenty of time to come on later and change his vote, in fact he did later, this is with 4 hours left in the phase. It wasn't time to take a stand.Spoiler: show
This post isn't important right now, but it will be later. The time of this post was 1pm when Wilgy is clearly pushing for a gfish lynch, and after I had stated Gfish as an alternative to the current lynch targets because WIlgy was so sure of him.Spoiler: show
This is his Fish vote, the writing is on the wall at this point. Epi lynch isn't going to happen, and Jack, Dys and I are changing our votes soon. It was stated in thread that we would. Timing doesn't give him credit like nutella's does.Spoiler: show
Then his caveat about wanting to vote for him before but there not seeming to be enough traction. BS, Wilgy wanted people to join him earlier, you resisted it. You were asked specifically between 3 options of Epi, Jack and Gfish. You said Epi was better option, but also presented two other options for voting. At no point did you ever push for a Gfish lynch despite some minor bussing and a ceremonial place on your suspect lynch, you hardly mention Gfish.
This last post isn't really proof, but it's the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way. I can buy the mistake of not thinking scum didn't have a roleblock. It could possibly be dissemination.Spoiler: show
The bigger problem for me was the last part feels like he's trying to preemptively discredit cops, when everyone already knows scum will have cops. Even a scum cop that catches other scum is still good for the town. It feels a very strange thing to bring up in response to a role block
Anyway...that's why Nifty is where he is. Any comments, critiques, rebuttals. Am I crazy or do other people think there is something here?
Also
That's my first ISO you guys!!! hooray
It's two things.MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?
I know we play differently, just curious of any thoughts you can give me on people since I still trust you well enough. I think.S~V~S wrote:I did not realize we had two potential silencers (and on both of MY suspects, lol).
At this stage, not sure where I am gonna shift to though.
Linki@MP~ I don't have reads on most people, you know I don't really play that way. If I had to make choices, I feel better about Wilgy than LC, I feel better about you than Nutella, after today Dizzy went a bit into the red for me. When I looked back at Jacks posts and saw that he had not posted (I thought) today, and Dizzy asked me about it, she said, first, Oh yeah, I did notice he was voting a lot, like it was something she had not connected to being silenced, but then she said, but he did post today. And she was right, once after the NP, I did not notice it since it was the post right after the NP. So she noticed that his one post was today, but did not connect the way his vote was moving all over the place?
So those two things did not go together for me.
I think I talked myself into *Voting Dyslexicon*
Linki @Epi, he "feels" bad to me, I just think he's bad. Not sure why other people do.
I'm just particularly intrigued because I still am town reading S~V~S, though I just misread her massively in LOST Again Season 3, so I'm nervous. If you notice anything else with her, let me know.nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.
Good to know, thanks Adam.Adam wrote:It's two things.MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?
1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.
Less than 20 minutes left.
Adam wrote:It's two things.MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?
1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.
Less than 20 minutes left.
You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.
Uh, because only a fraction of them are?? And we didn't seem to have anyone silenced (that we noticed) on day 2?S~V~S wrote:You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.
And he moved his vote without posting 3 times in literally 5 minutes.
I look forward to your case.
I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independentMovingPictures07 wrote:Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table
I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver
I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I should be ignoring him more probably but I keep interacting with him anyway despite his claim.sprityo wrote:I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independentMovingPictures07 wrote:Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table
I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver
I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.
I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)
Do you suspect SL?sprityo wrote:im going to vote silver just in case, so no funny business happens
I write like I talk. I worded it that way becasue I had read the roles day zero and promptly forgot them. I had forgotten there was a silencer in the game. Just becasuse only a fraction of them are in the game does not mean they should be dismissed.nutella wrote:Uh, because only a fraction of them are?? And we didn't seem to have anyone silenced (that we noticed) on day 2?S~V~S wrote:You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.
And he moved his vote without posting 3 times in literally 5 minutes.
I look forward to your case.
But I can believe that you figured it out from the vote moving. I just didn't like the way you worded that post.
Still not sure. I liked Fred's case, but I also liked his defense. He claimed Anderson and that he tried to give Fred an extra shot to de-vanilla-fy him, but that's a little sketchy because it seems like he should have figured out that it wouldn't work? idk I'm still unclear on that whole thing, so it could be a fake claim but I'm leaning toward believing it. He was a pretty early civ read for me, but the case for him being gfish's teammate has some merit. Idk, I know I'm wafflingMovingPictures07 wrote:LA, what do you think of Nifty?
I don't know if it's the type of one-shot that needs to get used early though.