Homestar Runner [Day 13]

#2501

MovingPictures07 wrote:No. I'm not okay. I'M BETTER THAN OKAY! Assuming there's no civvie death.

Really, I'm just suffering from a case of the Fridays.

Cool. I'm listening to The Stranglers

#2502

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:No. I'm not okay. I'M BETTER THAN OKAY! Assuming there's no civvie death.

Really, I'm just suffering from a case of the Fridays.
Cool. I'm listening to The Stranglers

I'm listening to nothing because I'm at work!

#2503

Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for that insight, MP. I'm a bit stumped by Dom too. The weay he just came out and voted me struck me as sus. In fact his whole game has been. But he isn't too far from civ Dom i have seen. And he can be incredibly accurate in his suspicions. As i am civ he hasn't been this time so idk. I think he only voted me that once though. He seems to be spreading it about a bit possibly? Need to check his voting record.

Juliets I just dk.

Snow Dog if there is something bothering you I would be happy to try and address it as I am definitely civv.

#2504

juliets wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for that insight, MP. I'm a bit stumped by Dom too. The weay he just came out and voted me struck me as sus. In fact his whole game has been. But he isn't too far from civ Dom i have seen. And he can be incredibly accurate in his suspicions. As i am civ he hasn't been this time so idk. I think he only voted me that once though. He seems to be spreading it about a bit possibly? Need to check his voting record.

Juliets I just dk.
Snow Dog if there is something bothering you I would be happy to try and address it as I am definitely civv.

Like I said. I just don't know. The fact is I have nothing but my paranoia. You seem civ it's true. Like others I find you hard to read.

#2505

Snow Dog wrote:
juliets wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for that insight, MP. I'm a bit stumped by Dom too. The weay he just came out and voted me struck me as sus. In fact his whole game has been. But he isn't too far from civ Dom i have seen. And he can be incredibly accurate in his suspicions. As i am civ he hasn't been this time so idk. I think he only voted me that once though. He seems to be spreading it about a bit possibly? Need to check his voting record.

Juliets I just dk.
Snow Dog if there is something bothering you I would be happy to try and address it as I am definitely civv.
Like I said. I just don't know. The fact is I have nothing but my paranoia. You seem civ it's true. Like others I find you hard to read.

Ok, i understand. Thanks for responding so quickly.

#2506

Gleam was the first person to vote Vompatti. How does that square with him being the cheerleader?

#2507

Diggidy-Underdrawers

Strongbad's email:

Hey Strongbad,
I have a question for you. If you were stranded on deserted island and could only choose three items to have with you, what are the items you would choose?

Yours truly,
Lazlo Gogolak from Hungary

Well Lazy Goo…why don’t you sit back and have some delicious fluffy puff mini-mallows to appease your Hunger while I learn you on Strongbad’s desert island survival class.

The first things you need to take with you is anything involving Moving Pictures. It makes a great distraction when da native erogenous wildlife try to sneak up on your basecamp and kill you in da middle of da night.

Secondly, you should bring along some of those indiglo camoflorge pants so to blend into your surroundings.

And lastly, a Faraday brand jet-pack so you can escape whenever the boredom of the stupid island that’s been trying to kill you gets to be too monotonous and you want to get back to the real world and ridiculous fan emails.

<paper scroll>

Mongoose has been killed by Teen Girl Squad.
agleaminranks has been killed by Firebert.
It is now Day 7, you have until the poll closes to lynch somebody so make it a good one and vote, vote, vote!

P.S. I was missing at least two PMs.

#2508

What is TGS?

#2509

Damn! RIPIYWG Mongoose, but I was thinking you were. Conversely, RIH Gleam, unless I was wrong about you, then RIPIYWG. Good move by Firebert, I think.

Snow Dog wrote:Gleam was the first person to vote Vompatti. How does that square with him being the cheerleader?

Gleam can't be lynched. Also, he voted Vompatti D1, with a weird reason. If anything, you could just as likely interpret it as distancing than as not.

Gotta go.

#2510

I not only do not understand who TGS is, I don't understand how someone was killed by Firebert. The description says he's the civv role blocker. I must not understand something about that role.

And RIP Mongoose, I am oh so sad to see you go because I thought you were good. RIP gleam, I was totally unsure whether you were good or bad but i enjoyed playing with you anyway.

#2511

Who will be the next contestant on The Lynch Is Right? Day 6

Poll ended at Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:45 pm

A Person
0
No votes
agleaminranks
0
No votes
BigDamnHero
0
No votes
birdwithteeth11
0
No votes
Bullzeye
0
No votes
borokkuei
1
Vompatti (8) 5%
Captain Bunny Killer
0
No votes
DFaraday
0
No votes
DisgruntledPorcupine
3
Matahari (7), agleaminranks (10), Mongoose (12) 16%
Dom
1
Leamiteo (19) 5%
Juliets
0
No votes
Leamiteo
0
No votes
LittleTiger
0
No votes
Matahari
0
No votes
Mongoose
0
No votes
MovingPictures07
2
Snow Dog (9), MovingPictures07 (15) 11%
Snow Dog
0
No votes
S~V~S
3
birdwithteeth11 (3), borokkuei (6), BigDamnHero (16) 16%
Timmer
0
No votes
Vompatti
5
Dom (5), timmer (11), Bullzeye (13), indiglo (14), juliets (18) 26%
Yellow Dellow (host, dead, non)
4
Spacedaisy (1), Epignosis (2), Matt F (4), thellama73 (17) 21%
Total votes : 19

#2512

Guys, TGS is Teen Girl Squad and Firebert is the Cheat.

Seriously gotta go, will discuss more later

#2513

I messed up and forgot mention that Leamiteo has been removed from today's poll

#2514

Aww guys.

#2515

I'm honestly surprised I wasn't killed the night after I survived the lynch. Was only a matter of time I suppose. Thanks for letting me finally join in a game for a while guys.

#2516

MovingPictures07 wrote:Damn! RIPIYWG Mongoose, but I was thinking you were. Conversely, RIH Gleam, unless I was wrong about you, then RIPIYWG. Good move by Firebert, I think.

Snow Dog wrote:Gleam was the first person to vote Vompatti. How does that square with him being the cheerleader?
Gleam can't be lynched. Also, he voted Vompatti D1, with a weird reason. If anything, you could just as likely interpret it as distancing than as not.

Gotta go.

Weren't you among the people telling Gleam that just because Llama survived a lynch didn't mean he was unlynchable? Seems a strange turnaround if you were.

#2517

RIP Deadies

And Mongoose, thanks for helping explain to me what was going on the game!

#2518

It was definitely great to get to play with both of you!!

Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Damn! RIPIYWG Mongoose, but I was thinking you were. Conversely, RIH Gleam, unless I was wrong about you, then RIPIYWG. Good move by Firebert, I think.

Snow Dog wrote:Gleam was the first person to vote Vompatti. How does that square with him being the cheerleader?
Gleam can't be lynched. Also, he voted Vompatti D1, with a weird reason. If anything, you could just as likely interpret it as distancing than as not.

Gotta go.
Weren't you among the people telling Gleam that just because Llama survived a lynch didn't mean he was unlynchable? Seems a strange turnaround if you were.

Yes, that is true, but I've explained multiple times that I will eat a hat if llama was baddie and that I was reading Gleam as likely Cheerleader due to his actions in thread. I'm not sure, I've always entertained he could be one of the other civvie roles... but I do think he was bad.

That said, even though it was a good kill by Firebert, I think anyway, I was really surprised to see it. If I were Firebert I wouldn't have used it this early, honestly, so I'm kind of shocked at that person's confidence in his/her assessment. I guess no guts no glory though, right? That player must have obviously agreed that Gleam looked baddie, or somehow had reason to believe so beyond thread knowledge. Or maybe that player thought they might get lynched soon so they decided to use it instead of losing it? Not sure.

#2519

Oh, Bullz, I think I get it now. I wasn't saying that Gleam can't be lynched as like a 100% fact. I was saying, in that case, if he were the Cheerleader, he and his teammates could throw suspicion on and off each other as much as they like, because Gleam wouldn't have been able to be lynched for it.

#2520

I'm not too good at reading people, but mongoose seemed civ enough to me

Not sure about gleam, but at least the game can further progress.

Onward ho

#2521

Not too chatty yet, I see...

Has anyone seen LT? When's the last time she even posted?

#2522

And where are people looking today? I've done a bit of investigating, but I haven't uncovered anything that I feel is like OMG LOOK AT THIS in the way BDH's observations on Vompatti were.

I am procrastinating tonight so most of my gametime will be limited to this evening, but I'll still be a bit busy tonight, here off and on. Tomorrow and Sunday will be studying cram days... should be fun. Will check back later to see if anyone's said anything.

#2523

I'm saying......goodnight you wonderful mafia people!

#2524

RIP dead people, I am waffled on both of you. I could have went either way on Mongoose before I went AWOL, and had no real opinion on Gleam, although apparently he had some suspish?

Thanks, Miss Daisy, for the answers. I hope to get caught up AGAIN tonight and tomorrow

#2525

RIPIYWG Mongoose and gleam. I was leaning civ with Le 'Goose, but not as much with gleam.

Sorry, I don't have many thoughts right now. Will try to collect some at some point tomorrow. Today has been a very long day for me.

#2526

S~V~S wrote:RIP dead people, I am waffled on both of you. I could have went either way on Mongoose before I went AWOL, and had no real opinion on Gleam, although apparently he had some suspish?

Thanks, Miss Daisy, for the answers. I hope to get caught up AGAIN tonight and tomorrow

S~V~S, I am quite curious to hear what you have to bring to the table after your absence, although I understand that it's quite a daunting task.

#2527

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not too chatty yet, I see...

Has anyone seen LT? When's the last time she even posted?

Her last post was on Monday the 19th at 6:11 pm. She had a headache and said she would start reading that night. I'd really like to hear from here regardless of where she is in her read-back.

#2528

Wow. Well, not only have I been absent for a few days, but I am also almost completely back to square one after the deaths in those few days. Seriously, I don't know what the heck to say about all this.

Although, I have to say that leamiteo was way down on my list, but she was there. Even though she defended me a few days ago, I had already been thinking that her behavior seemed very avoid-the-main-thing-going-on-ish. Just a thought. No specific suspicions... especially since my suspicions are at least days old.

#2529

Okay, here's the deal. I kind of want to try a different approach to this today because I feel so many players are on different pages and, as CBK noted above me, some players are apparently feeling very lost. Even I am, to some degree, and yet it's Day 7. The game should feel vastly different now than it did on Day 1 in terms of leads. I've been thinking about all of this... and considering there's been hardly any discussion so far, someone has to start it!

First off, as to where we're currently at. 18 players. There could be either 1 or 2 Teen Girl Squad members left, based on the fact we know 2 are gone. Now I looked at Vompatti's posts and Gleam's posts, and it confirmed my thoughts that I do think Gleam was the Cheerleader, so honestly I think we only have 1 more TGS member to sniff out. That's good. On the bad news side, unless Mongoose and Gleam were Blue Laser, which I'm not thinking is the case at all, we very well could have 4 Blue Laser members still alive. I actually believe this to be true. And I also firmly believe Trogdor is alive.

Consequently, I'll take ANY baddie lynch today, since it's apparently 11 v. 7 or even 10 v. 8. However, Blue Laser might be the most preferable, because we have absolutely no leads on them yet and they could very well be going strong. If I'm wrong about llama or Devin -- which I'm not because I will eat a hat (seriously), even though I have eaten a hat once before I still think I won't be eating one this game -- that could change the numbers... but really I don't think it does. I think those are the most current numbers. I'm not trying to cause panic, or anything like that. I think we could definitely win this game. It sometimes helps as a civvie to keep everything in consideration, especially because I've seen certain players this game specifically want to catch Cheerleader and other TGS roles based off of Elohcin's lynch, but no one seems to care about Blue Laser. It could be that these players are trying to avoid bringing attention to their own team. Maybe it's just because we haven't lynched them yet. Nonetheless, even if none of that is applicable, it's good to keep an understanding of the numbers in mind from time to time, at least in my opinion. If you find it worthless, feel free.

Now...

I did some investigation last night with regards to voting records and a little bit of glancing back... It didn't get me much concrete, but I at least feel I can elaborate as to where I'm currently at with everyone now.

So looking at the player list first thing this morning and here's what I've got:

I believe I am feeling strongly civvie on A Person, Leamiteo; I also felt that way about Devin and llama, and I also do about myself (obviously, despite my vote yesterday).

Before Mongoose's death, I had a civvie read, and I also think I can trust BDH, despite my previous distrust of him. After the last two cycles or so and especially in the past one, I have a hard time believing he's a baddie. He could be Blue Laser... but I don't think so at this point. So those two players are in my firmly possibly civvie category. I felt a similar way about Matt F before his replacement, so naturally I am carrying over those feelings to indi, even though I can't read indi at all (and I'm convinced she can't read me either after Minecraft, so it's certainly mutual).

I'm REALLY torn on Borokkuei. I was thinking he was a likely candidate to receive my vote going into Day 6, but my dialogue with him led me to re-evaluate my suspicion and I was thinking he seemed more normal Alan and what Alan would say as a civvie there. However, I still feel he could definitely be baddie. So he's firmly in my giant I HAVE NO IDEA category. I would say most of the rest of the players I haven't mentioned probably fall somewhere in here, for various reasons.

I don't really have any strongly baddie candidates at this moment... especially as I'm trying to avoid a repeat of llama after I realized the follies of my incredibly early case.

However, I do believe that DP could be likely Trogdor (or even baddie, but IDK) at this point, and on the off chance he is a civvie, he's not doing us much good at all. I've played with DP countless times and I know him quite well. I can say that his quiet level does not exactly equate to his alignment... at all. That being said, he has popped in the thread a few times, and I have seen him skate by as a baddie before.

As to Trogdor, I really think it's S~V~S or DP. At the moment, I'm kind of leaning more so DP, because here's one thing about DP. There are a few things that tend to dictate his participation level, that I think would apply to other players as well, but let me elaborate: (1) theme (I don't think he has any knowledge of this); (2) RL (as he explained, he was VERY active by his standards in 6FU, and he does seem to be a bit busier now); (3) pace of the game (as he stated earlier, he doesn't like lots of talking, usually... but I could see him saying this as a baddie or Trogdor early on and using it as some grounds to preemptively explain his low participation level later on); and most importantly, (4) his BTSC-status and the dynamic of it. I have noticed that DP thrives very much so on a BTSC team, but ONLY if it's 2-3, or maybe even 4 players. In MOTU, he was less involved, probably because I was essentially directing the entire team due to having two noobs and that's how I am sometimes, but that team also had 6 players on it. Additionally, when that small team is made up of people he feels comfortable bouncing mafia with, it helps even further. 6FU he was on a team with me (replaced by Russ, then replaced by Epig) and Vompatti. Epig, Vomps, DP, and I all know each other from PA. Conversely, when DP is a civvie in a game that he isn't even fully invested in, usually he doesn't give up COMPLETELY. In Grimm, he was Finnian Metalfox, and despite everyone going after him hard that game for lack of participation, he clearly defended himself, multiple times, and still no one believed him. He defended himself with one post this game and that's about it. What gives me pause is that I could see a scenario he is civvie and has given up, but for some reason I'm finding it more difficult to believe.

Based on what I said above, I know that DP can sometimes fail to send in PMs when he doesn't become invested in a game. In Bioshock, his participation level wasn't too high, and he had a completely lone civvie role, near vanilla, which then later turned LMS. He failed to send in a PM on at least three occasions that I can remember. What I'm getting is that I could totally see him being Trogdor, forgetting to send it in a few times, and otherwise just not caring enough to actually start sending it in, hoping that players would get too wrapped up in overanalysis.

Now any of you could take all of that as pointless speculation. Maybe it is. Maybe I shouldn't use my baseline of DP at all because it's unfair or inaccurate. That's possible, and I have considered that. However, either way, if he still refuses to come in here and at least try this period, I am heavily contemplating a vote for him, because he really isn't doing us any good, and I'm afraid he may be trying to skate by as a baddie (possible, but I'm not sold on that) or Trogdor (much more possible, but I still am not 100%). That said, as I mentioned earlier, getting leads would be nice, and no leads can be made from Trogdor, and he is not currently killing. I do consider DP could be any baddie though, so he's someone to consider.

I feel the same way about DFaraday (even though this is pretty close to his norm) and LT. I'm not advocating all of these players are baddie; in fact, all three could be civvie. I don't know that. But I really want to hear more from them, and what bugs me the most about DP is/was not necessarily being displayed by DF or LT's previous incarnation (bea). I feel DF has at least been showing up, giving his thoughts, and I have no read on him one way or the other. I was really not sure what to think of bea either, I could have seen her as a possible baddie, but I'm not sure. I'd like some who know both of these players well to weigh in here, as well as those who don't know either of them, that way we get all perspectives.

Now... as to other possible suspects. I've thrown BWT's name for discussion I don't even know how many damn times now and hardly anyone is picking it up. In fact, I think only Mongoose gave an opinion on him. I went back and glanced quickly through BWT's voting record and posts and it confirmed what I was thinking about him all game: that he's been blendy to an extreme. He tends to flow exactly with whatever way the thread is going. That scares me. However, what also scares me is my track record on reading BWT (incredibly poor), so I've been very hesitant to follow this lead any more than I have (somewhat similarly to what I felt about Vompatti).

Therefore, if anyone else could give me their current opinions on BWT, that would be great. Timmer, you've played some games with him, what do you think? Likewise for others who have played games for him. S~V~S, I know you can read him WAY better than I can. Thoughts?

And lastly, BDH, your read-through on Vomps was incredibly insightful, and I think I can trust you. Do you mind doing the same for BWT and telling the thread if you see anything or maybe if I'm just full of total crap and he seems like a civvie? You also have completely new eyes since you've never played with any of us so I feel that could be helpful. Same for any of you other newbies if you feel up to the task.

There's more too... timmer, juliets, CBK, I mean, obviously any of you can look at the player list and see what you currently think about anyone. A lot of these players I'm really just not sure what to think. Maybe you feel the same way. Doesn't matter. Even if you have no reads at all. Come out and be honest. I want to try to get the feelers out there so we can really have a good discussion today.

I could be just as right or just as wrong as any of you, so the key is communication so that we can sniff out those who are lying for nefarious reasons and those who are honestly trying to help out the cause.

And of course all of these are just my current thoughts; any of you are free to take them as you wish and I really want feedback from others as to what I've said or as to what everyone else is currently thinking (or both).

I won't be back until later tonight or tomorrow morning, so I'll see all of you then!

#2530

Yikes. Sorry, I know that's a lot to read, but please don't skim over it completely. I really want to hear what all of you have to say today. Another baddie lynch is imperative to keeping us in the right direction.

To address you specifically, CBK, in case you missed it above, I think you're wrong about Leamiteo. I think, given her newness, as you can understand, that she's been sincere. That's my interpretation after going through her posts and voting records last night, anyway. I find it intriguing you disagree given you know her better than I do. Care to elaborate any more or is that all you were feeling?

I have to go now, so my presence will be limited before the poll is over. Happy mafia hunting!

#2531

BigDamnHero, I would really like to hear your current thoughts on MP and also on Timmer since Timmer is so anti-MP?

#2532

As surprising as it may be to hear, I wish I could agree with Timmer, but I don't think I can. Back around day 4 or so, I made the claim that I thought that movingpictures was the cheerleader, but given the recent events with Gleam, I don't necessarily know that the claim holds up as strong as it once did. I think most of us are operating under the assumption that Gleam was the cheerleader, and while I think it was a wise move, the fact is we have no verification of who Gleam was so there will always be the possibility that he either wasn't the cheerleader or quite possibly wasn't a bad guy at all. It would be a tragic mistake for any of us to continue on without keeping that little caveat tucked away in the back of our mind or else we may clome to regret making that assumption later.

That being said, while I'm not ready to give movingpictures the key to civ city by any stretch of the imagination, my suspicions of him have lessened just a smidge. Judging by his passionate and eye-blurring posts, I see him as a sauve, experienced player. One thought I've had about Trogdor is that he may be laying low to avoid suspicion in hopes that people will think he has been eliminated when he's actually just laying in wait until the opportunity to start picking off the last few ramining players. Now I'm in no way asserting that I believe movingpictures is Trogdor at this point, but it is a scenario I've thought about and can see someone of MP's caliber employing such a devious strategy.

Someone, and I can't remember who now, said of my write-up of Vompatti that what they noticed about him was that he threw a few names around but never really stuck with any one person. The exact same could be said for MP. I dare say he's thrown out every single person's name who's been playin the game, both active and inactive. Now the 2 schools of thought for this could be either A) A civilian minded strategy to encourage discussion that can be traced back to eventually ensnare a bad guy with their own words when they inevitably have to contradict themselves, or B) A bad guy's ploy to keep discussions as wide-reaching as possible so as to keep the chances of discussion focusing on you or your team to a minimum. My suspicions with MP have mostly been centered around the second scenario due largely in part to the info discussions of the first couple days. What stick in my craw and will likely never find relief is that being an experienced player, he made certain assumptions that were not likely and eventually ended up being thrown out as false by our gracious host herself. In my mind, a veteran player wouldn't have automatically jumped to those conclussions unless he had a specific agenda in mind to do so.

I've been waiting and wanting to see ANY kind of telling quality in regards to his gameplay, but I can't say that I have. At best, movingpictures strikes me as very middle-of-the-road. Even yesterday's lynching of Vompatti, he goes off and votes for himself for some reason...frustration mainly, I think. And really, it's those ranting, frustrated moments that are the ONLY indicators to me that he may just be a civilian...but like I've said before, he's a very cagey player and, though it seems sincere, could very well just be a ruse.

I'm going to be away for most of today, but tonight I would like to do as movingpictures has requested and do a write-up on birdswith teeth. The one thing that I'd like to point out about him before I go is the Day 0 voting records:

There were 4 people who voted to go to The Stick(in this order)...Vompatti (bad guy), DisgruntledPorcupine (?), birdswith teeth (?) and Lizzy (civilian)

#2533

I am just starting in my read back v2.0, and started with the posts posted since I last posted, and i have to say, MP, that while I am not Trogdor, I don't know that I think DP is, either. At least not for the reasons he is taking suspish. There are a lot of potential reasons why Trogdor missed so many kills. Including that he was NKed.

Also, since he has also been very AWOL, why me or DP, but not Faraday?

I am going to catch up and do a bit of vote analysis; I want to see who voted early in the Elo lynch that is also potentially one of Vomps teammates. I do think, as no one attempted to save her, that Elos team all voted early. SO I want to reread the Vomps lynch extra carefully, and compare potential Vomp associates to the voting order in the Elo lynch.

#2534

S~V~S wrote: Also, since he has also been very AWOL, why me or DP, but not Faraday?

That's actually a good point. I at first thought DP was Trogdor for the same reason Lizzy did, but I thought it was too crazy a theory to share and apparently she didn't

As Trogz is probably AWOL it could just as easily be DF.

#2535

S~V~S wrote:I am just starting in my read back v2.0, and started with the posts posted since I last posted, and i have to say, MP, that while I am not Trogdor, I don't know that I think DP is, either. At least not for the reasons he is taking suspish. There are a lot of potential reasons why Trogdor missed so many kills. Including that he was NKed.

Also, since he has also been very AWOL, why me or DP, but not Faraday?

I am going to catch up and do a bit of vote analysis; I want to see who voted early in the Elo lynch that is also potentially one of Vomps teammates. I do think, as no one attempted to save her, that Elos team all voted early. SO I want to reread the Vomps lynch extra carefully, and compare potential Vomp associates to the voting order in the Elo lynch.

S~V~S there was a bit of analysis done over whether Trog could possibly be dead. If I'm remembering correctly, the only dead person that would meet all the criteria was Devin (am I right on that folks? I want to make sure I'm not misremembering) and too many people saw things about Devin that they thought were good, including the fact that he said he rezzed Bullz (I always thought that claim was a little squirrely). Anyway, if i could remember who did the analysis I could point you back to the post but i don't. Maybe someone else does or you have run across it yourself.

As for why you and DP but not DF, I think there was some discussion about that but I don't know who said it. I'll try and search on DFaraday but he may have been called DF which is a problem for the search function.

#2536

JC, if you think Devin might not have actually rezzed me how else would you explain it? Nobody challenged his claim or offered an alternative at the time and I have no idea how I came back.

#2537

Bullzeye wrote:JC, if you think Devin might not have actually rezzed me how else would you explain it? Nobody challenged his claim or offered an alternative at the time and I have no idea how I came back.

Yes, I know no one challeged it and I certainly don't believe you have any idea how you were rezzed. But the reason it made me feel squirrely is I can't understand why he said it in the first place. I've never run across someone that just out and out says "I'm the one who rezzed so-and-so". Why put a target on your own back? With that said, I'm not saying Devin was bad as I thought I made clear. I believe and believed him to be good. It was just an odd comment. I should have thought to ask him while he was here why he said it.

#2538

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Wow. Well, not only have I been absent for a few days, but I am also almost completely back to square one after the deaths in those few days. Seriously, I don't know what the heck to say about all this.

Although, I have to say that leamiteo was way down on my list, but she was there. Even though she defended me a few days ago, I had already been thinking that her behavior seemed very avoid-the-main-thing-going-on-ish. Just a thought. No specific suspicions... especially since my suspicions are at least days old.

See if I ever defend you again! Talk about ungrateful. But I still love you!

No specific suspicions? Well that's suuuuuper vague. And may I ask, what main thing I am avoiding? Is there a main thing? This thread is harder to follow than a train of my own thought processes! I only defended you because I thought people would kill you off for a dumb reason (either John Locke's blue screen of death or your busy schedule). I'm glad to have you in the game, and have thought your input to sound civvie up until this point. Unless of course you're throwing my name out there to try to get the scent off yourself, to which I say to you: "Where do you get off sister?! Not at the Homestar station anymore!"

#2539

Boy that is a lot of text from MoPi that doesn't really say anything. There is a lot of potential analysis, but none of it uncovers anything. He doesn't even share a suspicion. The main thing I got out of it is that he thinks DP is Trogdor, and even if he isn't Trogdor he's still unhelpful. Then he mentions the names of a few low posters.

I think I will go back and look at Timmer's case, as apparently that is who is talking most about MoPi being a possible baddie. I'd like to see both sides to this.

#2540

Just wanted to pop in for a second and say I'm still busy until later in the night, but I should be able to type up thoughts tonight. I definitely have some things to say and am intrigued to share a theory I've thought up regarding the final piece of the jigsaw in Devin's behavior.

I also wanted to ask you quickly, Leanna, does CBK's post there shake your assessment completely of her civvieness or merely make you question it; and, do you have any current suspects at all or no?

Same question to juliets specifically and to anyone else who wants to answer too, of course.

Linki with indi: I don't get your point; it's why I want discussion. I said BWT has been blendy. I expressed DP seems suspicious because he clearly refuses to play. I have previously expressed possible suspicion of others, such as timmer and Snow Dog, but I'm really not sure what to think of them right now, and I kind of wanted to take the backseat because apparently I've been domineering much of the discussion and because I do not feel comfortable going around accusing because I didn't find anything absolutely damning to anyone in particular last night.

Why don't you actually contribute instead of calling me out for not doing so, with all due respect?

#2541

You may need a bit of a breather, my friend.

#2542

I'mma gonna go ahead and vote Dom because of that thing that pinged me awhile back, and that's the only lead I have on anyone really.

#2543

Well MP, I'm somewhat stuck on trog. It is true DP hasn't been around a lot but his posting in this game just doesnt feel to me like the way he posts baddie. It seems like he's just disinterested because he got behind. When I've seen him bad, he seems to post a little more. With that said though I will never even pretend to understand DP and his motivations. I have vacillated on him in my head but without something else I just can't yet see him as Trog.

As far as S~V~S goes, it seems like she's a better candidate because she's not been in touch for awhile, except, do we know that for sure? We know she hasn't been in the thread and we know she told you it was just too hard on her phone but my thought about that is it was hard because we have had posting insanity on here at times. There's just a niggle for me saying she could have sent in her PMs on her phone since they were so important and if she was trog, not hard pms. If we believe she was trog then we believe she couldn't even send in a pm to say "hut x". I guess i would say the S~V~S I know would do anything to get those pm's in.

So what does all that say? There is no one that could be Trog? Honestly, either of them could be trog despite what i think but I've also noticed we keep bringing up DFaraday but don't seem to give him any real consideration. He hasn't been around much more than DP and he is definitely flying low low. Of course, like DP, thats the way Faraday is. So is there something about him that is causing us to not consider him? I'm really not trying to push him on anyone I'm just saying based on what I'm seeing in DP and S~V~S I'm casting about looking for someone else that might fit the criteria.

And with all this I say I have been very wrong on people before and may just be again.

Also, I'm having a little niggle about Timmer. I think it's because I decided MP was good so the case on him doesnt ring true for me. There's another thing I cant get out of my head and that's that he was the only one to vote Marzipan's on that first day 0 poll. I may be totally crazy but after letting it sit on my brain it feels like a baddie choice, one that others didn't take. It just feels odd. My feeling s here about Timmer are not strong, at least not yet, it's more just a jingle. And Timmer I know I havent given you much to answer to and I'm sorry for that. I thought twice about even mentioning it but there is so much conversation about getting things out on the table.

Those are the main things I am thinking about right now.

#2544

Alright, finally have some time away from studying. Apologies in advance, yes, I do talk a lot. I'm going to try to break this up to make it easier.

indi, I didn’t even fathom what I said could be interpreted in a rude way, so if you did find it offensive, I apologize. I was in a rush and I expressed a bit of frustration there, that’s all, because I felt like I was being shut down, and I feel I have been shut down a lot this game, and it's annoying to be told that you're basically not saying anything useful, or at least that's how I interpreted it at the time and in the heat of the moment. I shouldn't have commented on the matter. Nonetheless I do greatly look forward to your input. I also realize that I didn’t name any particular overarching suspect; I did mention that. However, I did name some names I feel very confident are likely civvies and laid out my current thoughts to the best I could. Maybe you're right, it didn't "say" much, but I'm honestly feeling at a bit of a loss in some regards. If you have questions for me, please don’t hesitate to ask.

juliets, thanks for your thoughts. I still have a little inkling bugging me about timmer as well, but I keep wondering if it's just out of bias or not. I really can't tell if he's playing his civvie or baddie game at all. As to your Marzipan observation, that's very astute... not sure how much stock should be given to that kind of speculation, BUT, something I am speculating about Devin actually may give some credence to that (more on that later). Even if Marzipan were not the baddie option, I suppose his Day 0 vote was a bit weird now that you mention it, although I have no idea what that might mean.

#2545

BDH, I want to address a few of the things you said, just for clarification.

First off, I think I’m usually a terrible civilian. I’ll openly admit it. Even after the many games I’ve played since ‘10, I just can hardly ever find my footing as a civilian, especially early on in games, because I have absolutely no one to bounce my ideas off of and I know nothing. It bothers me. That's why I may seem like a maniac in thread because I feel the need to bounce everything off of everyone. My gameplay from like Day 0 to Day 3 this game I actually think was awful because my theory about the Day 0 poll was incredibly farfetched, upon reflection, but for some reason at the time I actually was considering it to be a possibility. I knew nothing, so as far as I was concerned, anything was possible in speculation. I’ll openly admit I have jumped to conclusions this game that I probably shouldn’t have; I still feel terrible about my Day 0 ramblings and the way I totally almost killed llama, or how I seemingly no u’d you, Dom, and timmer because it really felt like there was this huge move against me (paranoia kicking in because I don’t know who to trust). I have played far from an impeccable game.

Also,

BigDamnHero wrote:
Someone, and I can't remember who now, said of my write-up of Vompatti that what they noticed about him was that he threw a few names around but never really stuck with any one person. The exact same could be said for MP. I dare say he's thrown out every single person's name who's been playin the game, both active and inactive. Now the 2 schools of thought for this could be either A) A civilian minded strategy to encourage discussion that can be traced back to eventually ensnare a bad guy with their own words when they inevitably have to contradict themselves, or

Spot on. As a civilian I like to get everyone talking as much as possible because how else do you sort out the baddies from the civvies? It’s still difficult to do, but it’s better than the alternative. I also feel like I constantly need to hear from other players because I can get so wrapped up in overanalyzing that I get tunnel vision and I like hearing other players’ perspectives; they sort of ground my focus. I also like to do crazy stuff occasionally to see how people would react (see yesterday with my self-vote, though that was also partially a statement) if I feel it might benefit the cause more than it would cost. Sometimes I don’t always have the best judgment, especially where that’s concerned, but I play to have fun, even though I love to win (and don’t very often at all).

The problem is that I always display strategy B you mentioned in your post as a baddie, so players who play with me often (see: Timmer) are clearly misinterpreting my intentions here as B instead of A, and that could be a result of the fact that I’ve been baddie so much more than I have civvie in all my games and because as a baddie I’ve pulled some incredibly elaborate ruses (see: Sword of Truth with the “parchment” Timmer eluded to, Masters of the Universe, etc.).

As to your theory about Trogdor, I’ve actually considered that myself (but obviously not me because I’m not doing it, lol), but here’s the problem for me with that theory. It might actually make sense in a weird way for a typical SK role to behave that way because the player would be avoiding traceability. But in this game it makes no sense whatsoever because the names are chosen at random from the huts. I mean, Trogdor has to be the last one alive, so why a player would specifically pass up night after night of free kills just so they could get a bit further and then start killing so as to avoid lynching makes absolutely no sense -- think about it, the player could have like 4 other dead by now so we’d be at 14 instead of 18, and who says we’d be any closer to catching him now than we would be then? That’s my problem with it. That said, I entertain it still could be what is happening, but I am abiding by the notion of Occam’s razor where Trogdor is concerned, until I have reason to believe otherwise.

And lastly, regarding Gleam being Cheerleader, I completely agree. It’s possible Cheerleader could have been someone else and it’s important to consider that possibility, even if I or you or anyone else believes it’s unlikely given Gleam’s behavior made sense for him to fit that role.

#2546

S~V~S, I understand that Trogdor could be NKed, but he hasn’t been. Just flat out SO unlikely, so much to the point I’d bet my life on it. To elaborate for you, here's what I'm thinking:

(And to everyone else, here's what I was talking about earlier when I think I finally figured out what the hell Devin was talking about)

Devin hinted multiple times subtly and then blatantly once that he knew exactly how he survived an NK and we haven’t seen Coach Z jail anyone so I strongly have believed that he was Coach Z and that he chose to protect someone Night 1 and himself Night 2 (it would explain why there was no NK on Night 2 from the baddies and his subsequent behavior). I have expressed this previously. To further back up that argument, I’ve thought about this a lot and I now believe the only one thing he said he had lied about this game (because this has continually stumped me) was whether he had info on Day 0 and that he must have somehow been awarded a resurrection as a result of the Day 0 poll. Because he voted Coach Z’s locker room (and "randomized" it) and was the only one to do so, it’s the only explanation I can think of has to how he was awarded a resurrection and chose Bullzeye to receive it, and I only recently came to this conclusion after already believing he was very likely to be Coach Z. It only adds to my belief in that regard.

Additionally, we have not seen Bubs’s power AT ALL, so I strongly believe Kate was Bubs. Thus, Trogdor could not be NKed unless Mongoose or Gleam were Trogdor and I don’t think that’s true, nor would it even explain why Trogdor started failing to kill Night 3 until now. Not only that, but I do not think Daisy would have us send in these hut PMs every night for this period of time if Trogdor was dead that early. It would make absolutely no sense; even if it did out one of those players, it wouldn’t have mattered since they are completely LMS. She could have told us they were eliminated and it wouldn’t have made any difference on the game; why give herself THAT much more work? I very, very highly doubt Trogdor is dead. I don’t think I’ve missed anything in this analysis, but if you or anyone else does think of a counterpoint, let me know.

It could be DFaraday, sure, but see my logic above in response to BDH. Why would Trogdor specifically throw away a random untraceable kill when it would have severely benefited him to utilize it, and especially when he obviously used it the first two mafia nights? It makes no logical sense. By that argument, why not BDH? Why not BWT? Why not juliets? We could sit here all day and ask ourselves that and I believe that’s precisely what Trogdor would want us to do. DFaraday has been posting; he hasn’t been gone since Trogdor stopped killing. He has posted as recently as Night 6, in fact, and has posted at least once every day and night period, or nearly every. So AWOL is a gross misrepresentation of DFaraday, a player who, even when he hardly posts, almost never misses a vote or a night PM from my experience with him over quite some time.

I’m not even saying DP or you should be lynched ONLY because of the Trogdor possibility, but DP is so clearly not helping the cause at this point it’s really bothering me. I’m not even sure I’ll vote him, but he is flying right by if he is baddie.

Your defense here makes me wonder if you actually are Trogdor, to be frank, but I’m far from convinced of that notion, and I don’t think I’d vote you just based off of only that speculation, as it seems grossly unfair and dangerous, since you could be a civvie role for all I know.

And also, why catch one of Vomps’s teammates? We don’t even have any leads on Blue Laser. Or is that precisely why? I mean, I won’t argue with any baddie lynch today, so I’m curious to see what you find in your analysis, but I’m not sure I understand why that’s what you’re primarily focusing on, unless I misunderstand you.

Again, all of that said, I’m still very intrigued to see what you find.

On that note, it's sock out. I will return tomorrow at some point to cast my vote. It may be for DP or for someone else. I really don't know. Need to let all of this sit and take a step back until that time, I think.

#2547

Oh, one last thing I forgot to say in my first post.

Juliets, regarding S~V~S. I agree with you that it seems unlike her to miss PMs at all, even if she got tired of reading the game on her phone. But what also seems unlike her is completely avoiding the thread and not saying anything about her internet issues, even if it was a quick one-time post on her phone and even if she hadn't caught up. So I throw my hands up and am really puzzled as to S~V~S's behavior, and maybe she could be a better candidate for Trogdor. I'll take that into consideration. But I do still feel weird at the prospect of voting for her based off of her unfortunate situation, especially since she is now trying to participate as much as possible.

Now sock out.

#2548

BigDamnHero wrote:Hmmmm....Dom's quick vote has me a bit concerned...especially because of this earlier post of his:

Dom wrote:I think SVS is a good Trogdor candidate. I agree with Strongsad on vomps as well.
Dom, why did you vote vompatti instead of SVS?

I'm going to call it a night and hope I hear a response from Dom before I have to vote in the morning...

Sorry for not being around.

I remembered SVS's computer troubles. I didn't think it was fair to condemn her without her saying something.

But I was right about vomps...

Is there a reason you were concerned about my Vomps vote? Same goes to you MP...

Leamiteo wrote:
I'm talking about the people we know flipped civvie after they died that you brought up in discussion throughout the thread. My point is that it seemed like you were lurking among civvies and latching onto their suspicions who you as a baddie would already know they were civvie; of course fueling the civs against themselves. You just seem to be jumping around a bit to me and that has earned you an is all. I hope that clarifies things a bit.

That's fine. I don't think it's very true given I haven't only suspected civvies and a lot of my suspicions are still alive or we don't know their roles.

DFaraday wrote:Oh, I guess I was wrong. Great result, people who voted!

I still don't get the MP suspicion (as I haven't all game). At times it feels a bit forced to me.

*Night hides*

*Pretty much the same thing I do in the day*

EBWOP: SVS, I think the reason DP and I got off easier on that point is because we're both notorious for flying under the radar, whereas you're rather outspoken more often than not, so your absence was very noticaeble.

Do you have anything to say about your suspicions, DFaraday? I don't remember a single original thought from you all game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sigh. It's not BS. I even said in the thread I likely believed him to be baddie (I wasn't ONE HUNDRED % sure). I wanted to see how the lynch would play out.

You're right, indi, since he was getting the majority of the votes, my vote didn't really matter, did it? If I seriously contemplated that my vote would matter THAT much, I probably would have played it much safer and just voted for him.

Why the fuck would I specifically draw attention to myself, if I were baddie, by voting myself? All of you seriously ask that question.

MovingPictures07 wrote: If you really think I will survive, lynch me. It would at least give you concrete confirmation that I can survive lynches if I was Cheerleader, correct? Gleam and Llama both already survived lynches. Those are concrete facts. So to speculate that I'm more likely to be Cheerleader over Gleam just based off of a wacky interpretation of my behavior when Gleam has been shown to survive a lynch and I have not is just plain illogical.

Why is only "wacky" interpretations if it is your behavior in question???

MovingPictures07 wrote: Why don't you actually contribute instead of calling me out for not doing so, with all due respect?

You don't think it's a contribution to say that you said almost nothing in a rather large post? MP, it's not fair that you characterize every suspicion of you as a personal attack or ludicrous. Not everyone who suspects you is bad, simply by the numbers.

I found indiglo's post to be quite poignant, and you didn't because it called you out on something. Why is that fair? Why can you tell everyone what to post? I think indiglo, who is new to this rather large game posted something that did contribute. So, with all due respect, please don't dismiss anyone who suspects you.

borokkuei wrote:I'mma gonna go ahead and vote Dom because of that thing that pinged me awhile back, and that's the only lead I have on anyone really.

wut

For today, I'm looking at DFaraday and I am looking at MP. Snow Dog has been in the back of my mind along with Bullz, but those original two are my suspects.

Interesting that there was no StrongSad poem too.

#2549

Okay, I lied, but I'll be gone after this post. /addict

Dom, LOL at your post. Seriously. Where did I ever say I thought indi was bad? In fact, I've said more than once I think she's likely civvie because that's how I was reading Matt F. You're grossly misrepresenting my words and I thought earlier I just was thinking you could be baddie because I was being paranoid, but now I really am starting to wonder. I really don't know about you, but if you are a civvie, think about what you're saying, man! BDH still thinks I could be baddie but I certainly don't suspect him. DP is high on my list and he never suspected me. Llama even entertained I could be bad quite a while after I stopped suspecting him.

Outright LIES to say that I'm only suspecting people that suspect me and that I'm saying all the arguments against me are "ludicrous", only that I've addressed them. Multiple times.

And yes, they are "wacky" interpretations to say that I'm cheerleader because no one even knows if I will survive a lynch! It's not even happened! And yet it had with Gleam. Also, every single argument brought up against me in this game (except for the one by BDH where he pointed out my Hedgeowl vote) has been merely interpretations of my actions. How can you not realize that, Dom?

#2550

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, I lied, but I'll be gone after this post. /addict

Dom, LOL at your post. Seriously. Where did I ever say I thought indi was bad? In fact, I've said more than once I think she's likely civvie because that's how I was reading Matt F. You're grossly misrepresenting my words and I thought earlier I just was thinking you could be baddie because I was being paranoid, but now I really am starting to wonder. I really don't know about you, but if you are a civvie, think about what you're saying, man! BDH still thinks I could be baddie but I certainly don't suspect him. DP is high on my list and he never suspected me. Llama even entertained I could be bad quite a while after I stopped suspecting him.

Outright LIES to say that I'm only suspecting people that suspect me and that I'm saying all the arguments against me are "ludicrous", only that I've addressed them. Multiple times.

And yes, they are "wacky" interpretations to say that I'm cheerleader because no one even knows if I will survive a lynch! It's not even happened! And yet it had with Gleam. Also, every single argument brought up against me in this game (except for the one by BDH where he pointed out my Hedgeowl vote) has been merely interpretations of my actions. How can you not realize that, Dom?

This doesn't address my point. Why is indiglo's point less important than what you have to say? Why can she not voice herself. You are ignoring what she has to say because it doesn't paint you in a positive light. That's not fair. And to be honest, that's what you've done all game. You've "addressed" suspicions by explaining why they're invalid. Instead of really talking to what indiglo was saying, you just told her to make her own contribution and not question yours. That's not very civvie-minded of you, if you ask me. MP, every time I've said ANYTHING about you, you have told me how it is "silly", "ridiculous", or "lies". You have told me that my posts have made you "LOL" and things of the ilk. You have CONTINUOUSLY dismissed virtually everything I have said about you all game. You have contradicted yourself more than once, and not just changing your mind; as indiglo pointed out, you contradict yourself within the same post. But none of those things are, apparently, valid reasons to suspect you. We need to lynch you to suspect you. We can't interpret your behavior, that's "wacky". We must look at lynches and lynches only! Or we must look at low posters! Or we must look at....

Who do you really want to look at MP? I just don't get it. I do not understand any of your behavior this game. You condemn every argument against you because they're about your "behavior", but have an opinion based on my "behavior'. It's okay to formulate an opinion on me based on who I've suspected and what I've said and how I've addressed suspicion (you know... the things people suspect you for), but if it's you, it's a different story.

Who offed my little sister?