Welcome to Night Vale Mafia [ENDGAME]

[TonyStarkPrime]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

The posts for starting today suggests that Elo might have been Hiram. Which I guess works too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Making me the spectator vote option is the only way you'll ever lynch me.

[speedchuck]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

I guess I get the arguments that there's no way Eloh had time to write the Cecil posts.

this, i can agree with

And like that, I'm mostly convinced.

[Dom]

What i find interesting of the night results is Tamika killing timmer

what do we think of this considering the only person really gunning for timmer was Dom yesterday

I do not believe Dom to be Tamika

I'm not.

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

[speedchuck]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

[Golden]

Making me the spectator vote option is the only way you'll ever lynch me.

I'm still mad about "I just checked in at the airport lounge"...

[Quin]

Implications

Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin
Dom was not teamed with Elo, so is not StrexCorp
Tony had good reason to suspect that Elo was not Cecil. Needs analysis on what those reasons could be.

With timmer dead and Quin not off the poll, the pool of people I actually suspect and can vote for has dwindled significantly.

I didn't notice. Neat.

[Quin]

Implications

Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin
Dom was not teamed with Elo, so is not StrexCorp
Tony had good reason to suspect that Elo was not Cecil. Needs analysis on what those reasons could be.

With timmer dead and Quin not off the poll, the pool of people I actually suspect and can vote for has dwindled significantly.

Kevin could also be writing Cecil host posts.

[Golden]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

[Golden]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

I think the politician argument was stronger. He spent so much time trying to prove he wasn't Marcus, that doesn't prove he isn't a politician.

[Quin]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

I'm not 100 percent filled in with the Tony/Wilgy relationship, but I'd call something like that unlikely this early in the game.

[Dom]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

Could it be because he was on her team?

I'm missing hte nuances of this argument. Could Tony have known because they're teammates and he wanted to get some cred?

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

I think the politician argument was stronger. He spent so much time trying to prove he wasn't Marcus, that doesn't prove he isn't a politician.

Can you explain why?

[insertnamehere]

Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?

General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

[Quin]

I'm still tossing around whether I think the entire tape is being written by the one person, or if it's a mix of nijuu flavour and Cecil input. I wanted to compare syntax between tapes.

[Golden]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

I'm not 100 percent filled in with the Tony/Wilgy relationship, but I'd call something like that unlikely this early in the game.

I agree. I'd be fairly surprised if they would take such a bold approach given Tony is at risk of lynching and it would only have the potential to expose Wilgy and end their game. So I think it much more likely that Tony is good or politician.

[Golden]

I'm still tossing around whether I think the entire tape is being written by the one person, or if it's a mix of nijuu flavour and Cecil input. I wanted to compare syntax between tapes.

Ninja's colour is pinkish purple. I assume she is writing none of the black part.

[Golden]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

Could it be because he was on her team?

I'm missing hte nuances of this argument. Could Tony have known because they're teammates and he wanted to get some cred?

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

I think the politician argument was stronger. He spent so much time trying to prove he wasn't Marcus, that doesn't prove he isn't a politician.

Can you explain why?

If Tony was on Elo's team, why did he get her lynched? He seemed to control that lynch onto Elo, no?

Also, again, the reason why I don't think Tony is on that team is because of how much time he spent trying to prove he was not on that team (as opposed to trying to prove that he wasn't bad). I voted him yesterday precisely because that's the way I felt about his game to date, that he was fixated on proving he wasn't on one particular team, and any LD statements around that, that go with it.

[Quin]

I'm still tossing around whether I think the entire tape is being written by the one person, or if it's a mix of nijuu flavour and Cecil input. I wanted to compare syntax between tapes.

Ninja's colour is pinkish purple. I assume she is writing none of the black part.

If the whole tape is by one person, then I would be shocked if Eloh had the time to write the tapes before she died. It also concerns me that she knew that the vote mechanics would be changed on Day 3. She could have just made that whole thing up, but that's not something I think she'd do.

I don't imagine there's any way to confirm that the fourth votes were ever actually discounted, is there?

[Golden]

I'm still tossing around whether I think the entire tape is being written by the one person, or if it's a mix of nijuu flavour and Cecil input. I wanted to compare syntax between tapes.

Ninja's colour is pinkish purple. I assume she is writing none of the black part.

If the whole tape is by one person, then I would be shocked if Eloh had the time to write the tapes before she died. It also concerns me that she knew that the vote mechanics would be changed on Day 3. She could have just made that whole thing up, but that's not something I think she'd do.

I don't imagine there's any way to confirm that the fourth votes were ever actually discounted, is there?

None at all. Ninja refused to answer any questions related to it. The only place it is mentioned in a ninja post is in BLACK writing. My guess is it was Wilgy messing with our heads. It seems like something he would do.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?

General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

Cause maybe Rico knows something and can't / won't tell up.

[Golden]

Elo didn't mention it before that message, did she? If she did... that's pretty important information.

[Quin]

I'm still tossing around whether I think the entire tape is being written by the one person, or if it's a mix of nijuu flavour and Cecil input. I wanted to compare syntax between tapes.

Ninja's colour is pinkish purple. I assume she is writing none of the black part.

If the whole tape is by one person, then I would be shocked if Eloh had the time to write the tapes before she died. It also concerns me that she knew that the vote mechanics would be changed on Day 3. She could have just made that whole thing up, but that's not something I think she'd do.

I don't imagine there's any way to confirm that the fourth votes were ever actually discounted, is there?

None at all. Ninja refused to answer any questions related to it. The only place it is mentioned in a ninja post is in BLACK writing. My guess is it was Wilgy messing with our heads. It seems like something he would do.

I have absolutely no doubt that making everyone believe in a fake mechanic is something Wilgy would do.

[Quin]

Elo didn't mention it before that message, did she? If she did... that's pretty important information.

Nothing stands out.

[insertnamehere]

Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?

General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

Cause maybe Rico knows something and can't / won't tell up.

I'll be honest. I really thought Elo was scum. She was at the bottom of my goddamn rainbow list, for Pete's sake. I was the one who brought her name up in the thread, and poked Sprityo into voting alongside me against her.

So, the Cecil message implying she was really Hiram feels like vindication on a certain level.

I'd like for Rico to explain, if he chose to, why if I was the FOW, I would lead a lynch against my teammate, who would then flip civ and gain me no civ cred.

It's incredibly annoying for your main accuser to literally refuse to ever elaborate on their suspicion of you, and yet still have people taking their word over yours.

[Golden]

So, the Cecil message implying she was really Hiram feels like vindication on a certain level.

Wait, what? Hiram? Why?

[insertnamehere]

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

The posts for starting today suggests that Elo might have been Hiram. Which I guess works too.

[Golden]

Damn, I missed that. We had been presuming Kevin. That shakes things up slightly...

I see no reason for Tony to theorise Elo was Kevin, and be lying about that theory, if he was a Politician. If Elo was actually Hiram despite Tony's theorem, this would go so far as to suggest to me Tony would be on neither team...

But why would it be Hiram not Kevin?

[Dom]

so what does that mean for tony?

For me, it means, I need time (or someone else with time) to figure out the viable reasons for Tony to know that Elo wasn't Cecil. I don't want to presume it means Tony is town (he could be politician still?) but I'm also not going to rush in to revote him when he could be providing evidence of his towniness.

linki @quin - I agree, at least that he could have inherited it today. In such a situation, Tony and DrWilgy would have to be the remaining two StrexCorp indulging in a bold play, no?

Could it be because he was on her team?

I'm missing hte nuances of this argument. Could Tony have known because they're teammates and he wanted to get some cred?

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

I think the politician argument was stronger. He spent so much time trying to prove he wasn't Marcus, that doesn't prove he isn't a politician.

Can you explain why?

If Tony was on Elo's team, why did he get her lynched? He seemed to control that lynch onto Elo, no?

Also, again, the reason why I don't think Tony is on that team is because of how much time he spent trying to prove he was not on that team (as opposed to trying to prove that he wasn't bad). I voted him yesterday precisely because that's the way I felt about his game to date, that he was fixated on proving he wasn't on one particular team, and any LD statements around that, that go with it.

That makes sense.
What points to him being a politician or is it just because he's acted so ridiculously suspicious?

[Dom]

Should we trust the broadcast blindly?

[DrWilgy]

*Lightning strikes, and a journal falls off a bookshelf. The Wind blows it open revealing to be the late doctors personal diary. You swear that there was nothing in these pages when cleaning up after his death... but here there is text... text written in red, but in a familiar voice.*

Dear Diary,

What a feeling, I feel somewhat sick, and somewhat lost. I have little memory of what has recently happened.

Lately TSP has been talking of me. I do not know how he came to these conclusions. Somewhat rude to talk about others if I say so myself. What a baddie.

JoH's reaction to Eloh's death is so peculiar. Its almost as if he didn't bkther to read Eloh's alignment. Odd now that more info on Cecil is in play.

Until next time diary, thank you for keeping my secrets.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Damn, I missed that. We had been presuming Kevin. That shakes things up slightly...

I see no reason for Tony to theorise Elo was Kevin, and be lying about that theory, if he was a Politician. If Elo was actually Hiram despite Tony's theorem, this would go so far as to suggest to me Tony would be on neither team...

But why would it be Hiram not Kevin?

IDK. Falsifying identification papers or whatever.

@Dom I'll have to reread the broadcast. I don't see why the ID would be hidden for just one night either way so there could be more than meets the eye here.

[Golden]

Should we trust the broadcast blindly?

No, but I think we should discuss circumstances in which it might not be trustworthy, rather than dismissing it completely. We have two separate reasons to believe it's veracity - Tony's belief that Elo wasn't Cecil came before there was a further broadcast, and then there was a further broadcast. We also have reason to believe Tony isn't solely making this up with a power that enables him to, because Wilgy's conduct has been consistent with Tony's initial theory.

@Wilgy - an interesting point re Jack. He was the one that completely missed she flipped good?

[Golden]

inh is the only person left who I am not actively reading as town. I must be wrong about at least one person (although I note the possibility that we are down to two baddies if nutella, elo and timmer were all bad).

[TonyStarkPrime]

*Lightning strikes, and a journal falls off a bookshelf. The Wind blows it open revealing to be the late doctors personal diary. You swear that there was nothing in these pages when cleaning up after his death... but here there is text... text written in red, but in a familiar voice.*

Dear Diary,

What a feeling, I feel somewhat sick, and somewhat lost. I have little memory of what has recently happened.

Lately TSP has been talking of me. I do not know how he came to these conclusions. Somewhat rude to talk about others if I say so myself. What a baddie.

JoH's reaction to Eloh's death is so peculiar. Its almost as if he didn't bkther to read Eloh's alignment. Odd now that more info on Cecil is in play.

Until next time diary, thank you for keeping my secrets.

I noticed that, found it slightly suspicious, and then remembered that the SMaf silenced Jack d2 and Jack would never allow himself to be silenced. The forced vote could get faked if he were a politician, I guess.

Pretty easy way to find out who died - anyone silenced today?

[Golden]

My biggest problem with inh right now is he seems stuck in 'here is why the case against me is bad' instead of 'here is why I'm good' or just getting on and solving the game.

[Golden]

Who is cursed? Wilgy?

[Dom]

Should we trust the broadcast blindly?

No, but I think we should discuss circumstances in which it might not be trustworthy, rather than dismissing it completely. We have two separate reasons to believe it's veracity - Tony's belief that Elo wasn't Cecil came before there was a further broadcast, and then there was a further broadcast. We also have reason to believe Tony isn't solely making this up with a power that enables him to, because Wilgy's conduct has been consistent with Tony's initial theory.

@Wilgy - an interesting point re Jack. He was the one that completely missed she flipped good?

I agree. Just wanted to bring that possibility up explicitly.

[Dom]

Epignosis hasn't posted.

[Golden]

Epignosis hasn't posted.

I definitely saw him floating around too. So seems likely.

[Dom]

If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

[DrWilgy]

*You flip through Wilgy's journal and feel a ghostly chill. More words appear as you read your deceased friends memoirs*

Dear Diary,

I think I should tell Golden, "Yes!" In regards to his questions. Don't let me forget.

I still don't think Nutella was bad. She seemed good to me.

I'd hope that Kevin doesn't have Cecil power, and what I'd like to think is that Hiram's ability is "choose a target, you will appear as that person when investigated if you die." It being Cecil as the flip is interesting considering a certain auction item... oh well, no spoilers in this journal of mine. Isn't that right Ms. Cardinal?

Until next time journal.

[TonyStarkPrime]

If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

That's the idea.

[Dom]

I don't understand how on Day 4 people have all of this knowledge.

[Dom]

Wilgy made two non-cursed posts before starting the diary schtik.

[Jackofhearts2005]

timmer seems like a reasonable kill choice for any townie.

Agreed.

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

The posts for starting today suggests that Elo might have been Hiram. Which I guess works too.

But Eloh was suspicious for ignoring the case on LC (much like Epi). Wouldn't make sense for her to be a politician. The Hiram accusation does not sit well with me.

"Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?

Tony had the theory. Wilgy seems to have confirmed it. Then we got a message from Cecil overnight, suggesting Cecil is still alive.

It could be a massive team trick and Tony and Wilgy could be allies who know they get the power of Cecil after Cecil died, this is possible.

so what does that mean for tony?

It looks better, but not great. TSP could have (if I remember correctly) been on either mafia team. Now if he's mafia, he'd have to be on the politicians I think. And the politician argument for TSP was weaker than the Strex argument. But it was there.

I'll have to go back and look, and that sounds like a Monday thing.

I think the politician argument was stronger. He spent so much time trying to prove he wasn't Marcus, that doesn't prove he isn't a politician.

Disagree. It is reasonable to clear yourself of being Marcus if presented with the opportunity.

Tying the LC/INH vote minutes before day's end when LC had yet to vote, nearly saving a Strexmaf member, is far and away the most suspicious thing about Tony.

If we can prove Eloh is bad, that would make me feel much better about Tony.

That said, since Tamika's secret appears to have been a nightkill, I can't help but notice the most pro-town Tony can be is the tan jacket man.

[DrWilgy]

*The memoir of a dead man continues*

Oh! Diary,

I amost foegot, TSP said the darnest thing,

If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

That's the idea.

A baddie teammate would be wise to fake a silence today. Isn't that right epignosis... is what I would say to epi if this wasn't a diary entry.

*the pages begin to flip as if wind is blowing them... you hear a gasping for air... it's you gasping for air, but you feel fine... the journal closes and the power goes out.

You hear breathing.

It is not your own.

You can't breath.

He... was...

Most definitely a doctor...*

[DrWilgy]

*A ghostly voice responds to Dom*

Wilgy made two non-cursed posts before starting the diary schtik.

Even dead men make mistakes...

Ha...

Ha...

Hahaha....

*Wilgy doesn't do well as a spooky ghost*

[Jackofhearts2005]

*Lightning strikes, and a journal falls off a bookshelf. The Wind blows it open revealing to be the late doctors personal diary. You swear that there was nothing in these pages when cleaning up after his death... but here there is text... text written in red, but in a familiar voice.*

Dear Diary,

What a feeling, I feel somewhat sick, and somewhat lost. I have little memory of what has recently happened.

Lately TSP has been talking of me. I do not know how he came to these conclusions. Somewhat rude to talk about others if I say so myself. What a baddie.

JoH's reaction to Eloh's death is so peculiar. Its almost as if he didn't bkther to read Eloh's alignment. Odd now that more info on Cecil is in play.

Until next time diary, thank you for keeping my secrets.

I didn't.

I don't know the theme at all and saw the white/purple haired person that Eloh flipped as and assumed they were the white/purple haired teammate (Marcus) from the front page.

Went to check what Cecil's power was from the front page and realized I had it wrong.

[Golden]

If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

If Epi doesn't post today, for me this probably all but clears Tony. I am unlikely to vote for him again.
I won't vote Wilgy
I'm unlikely to vote Quin, although I'll guarantee it if I'm not on the poll tomorrow.
I'm very high on speedchuck and can't see myself voting for him. Well done if he's fooling me.

sprityo, epignosis, boomslang and dom all feel good to me right now. This is the tier of people who I feel are contributing in a townie manner but chances are at least one of them has me fooled, especially given I'll take Wilgy's word for it that nutella wasn't bad.

That leaves me with Jack - someone I didn't trust on day one at all but who, somehow, pulled me back in after he was silenced. Wilgy's point on his reaction to Elo's death as a potential slip holds real weight, and I don't have particular difficulty with the idea that his 'forced vote' could be a sham.

Then there's inh and rico, both of whom can only be described as unreadable (to me). I've had no active reason to suspect either of them, but both were certainly aware enough of rico's curse to be on the politician team. If Jack was a politician, it might even be more persuasive that rico could be as well... might they have targeted each other for funsies?

My vote is likely to go to one of those three today, with the four in the earlier category being names I'm open to if a convincing argument is made, but that as of right now I really don't feel are bad.

[Dom]

*The memoir of a dead man continues*

Oh! Diary,

I amost foegot, TSP said the darnest thing,

If someone is silenced, then Elo wasn't Kevin.

That's the idea.

A baddie teammate would be wise to fake a silence today. Isn't that right epignosis... is what I would say to epi if this wasn't a diary entry.

*the pages begin to flip as if wind is blowing them... you hear a gasping for air... it's you gasping for air, but you feel fine... the journal closes and the power goes out.

You hear breathing.

It is not your own.

You can't breath.

He... was...

Most definitely a doctor...*