Street Fighter II Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Elohcin]

I meant the new-to-me guys. I'm seriously so exhausted.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Eloh

lol consider me unconvinced.

But congrats to Blooper.

[Elohcin]

I never know about sloonei either though. I think JJJ ia cool, but I never see him as bad.

[nijuukyugou]

Hmm...kind of both actually. When I read her poats, I hear her excited voice. She seems overly happy. Is this just RL infiltrating her mafia meta? Is it that she is bad and wxcited about her role and being on a btsc team? I am unsure as of yet.

LOL I admit, I'm pinning stuff like mad while checking back here periodically.

[Elohcin]

Unconvinced about what JOH?

[Tangrowth]

MP, I don't have time to sift through your already insane post count (good lord, man) to find explanations. Why Bass? Please answer with brevity.

Basically what I said here still applies. I don't have an active suspect, so I'd rather lynch a non-poster who has a record of signing up for games and occasionally never showing up. I've thoroughly worked through my thoughts on other players in the game, namely the other wagons but also a few others (yourself included), and do not find any of them worthy of a vote at this time.

[Sloonei]

MP: Why did you agree that jay is a neutral read and then say he's the scummiest non-lurker? I've read your explenation which makes me question why you agreed with me that he was neutral.

And I do have the weirds for MP but now more people have showed up and I need to grill them.

And now that there are other bandwagons forming I think I'm safe in saying that I completely agree with JJJ re sloonei. When I was scum with him in AOL he was very much off topic and then defensive. It's what I bussed him for, anyway. It's not much to go on, but for day 1 it's voteable. Considering him for my vote. Also makes me feel safer re JJJ.

Gonna grill these guys before voting though.

Would you say that this is an accurate description of my posts in this game?

I may vote Bass to save myself if I have to, but I'm also still at work and can't really engage wih stuff.

[Elohcin]

I don't think sloonei deserves to go since he's at least participating. Ill vot bass to help him out. May it not come to bite me in the ass later on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MP, I don't have time to sift through your already insane post count (good lord, man) to find explanations. Why Bass? Please answer with brevity.

Basically what I said here still applies. I don't have an active suspect, so I'd rather lynch a non-poster who has a record of signing up for games and occasionally never showing up. I've thoroughly worked through my thoughts on other players in the game, namely the other wagons but also a few others (yourself included), and do not find any of them worthy of a vote at this time.

You're telling me you have made 100 posts on Day 1 so you can conclude with a lynch of someone with zero posts? That's gross.

What exactly is an "active suspect" in this context? I'm trying to understand how you can have dedicated so much thought to the game already, as is necessitated by your post count, without drawing a stronger conclusion than "vote a lurker".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei, suspects, go.

[Tangrowth]

I don't think sloonei deserves to go since he's at least participating. Ill vot bass to help him out. May it not come to bite me in the ass later on.

@dunya

Elo just voted and shows up before me and Blooper as voting Bass, so this serves as a confirmation that the poll system currently does not reflect the vote order.

[Tangrowth]

MP, I don't have time to sift through your already insane post count (good lord, man) to find explanations. Why Bass? Please answer with brevity.

Basically what I said here still applies. I don't have an active suspect, so I'd rather lynch a non-poster who has a record of signing up for games and occasionally never showing up. I've thoroughly worked through my thoughts on other players in the game, namely the other wagons but also a few others (yourself included), and do not find any of them worthy of a vote at this time.

You're telling me you have made 100 posts on Day 1 so you can conclude with a lynch of someone with zero posts? That's gross.

What exactly is an "active suspect" in this context? I'm trying to understand how you can have dedicated so much thought to the game already, as is necessitated by your post count, without drawing a stronger conclusion than "vote a lurker".

Why is that gross? We have a bad habit of letting lurkers live way longer than they should around here. I can try to generate discussion until I'm blue in the face in the hopes of uncovering something I think is shifty, but if at the end of the day, I still think this is the best way to cast my vote, how is that gross? Should I force myself to feel suspicion against someone that I don't?

It's someone that I'm actively scum reading.

[Simon]

A distinct possibility. Only LC voting for EHonda really stood out as an odd choice.

I voted for Long Con. E. Honda is fat. I don't like him. Long Con likes fat fighters?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is that gross? We have a bad habit of letting lurkers live way longer than they should around here. I can try to generate discussion until I'm blue in the face in the hopes of uncovering something I think is shifty, but if at the end of the day, I still think this is the best way to cast my vote, how is that gross? Should I force myself to feel suspicion against someone that I don't?

It's someone that I'm actively scum reading.

I'm not suggesting you should force yourself to have suspicions. I am suggesting that it's hard to believe that you don't have them naturally.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Unconvinced about what JOH?

Blooper being bad.

(Game of thrones is gonna keep me from doing much useful now.)

[Elohcin]

Jiggle jiggle

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MP: Why did you agree that jay is a neutral read and then say he's the scummiest non-lurker? I've read your explenation which makes me question why you agreed with me that he was neutral.

And I do have the weirds for MP but now more people have showed up and I need to grill them.

And now that there are other bandwagons forming I think I'm safe in saying that I completely agree with JJJ re sloonei. When I was scum with him in AOL he was very much off topic and then defensive. It's what I bussed him for, anyway. It's not much to go on, but for day 1 it's voteable. Considering him for my vote. Also makes me feel safer re JJJ.

Gonna grill these guys before voting though.

Would you say that this is an accurate description of my posts in this game?

I may vote Bass to save myself if I have to, but I'm also still at work and can't really engage wih stuff.

I wouldn't call you off-topic, but I would call you defense-oriented. Your posts are rather Sloonei-centric. You have a unique opportunity as the subject of much dialogue in this thread to generate some manner of reads, but I don't know that I have seen an effort. You wrote off LC and Jack, and gave a vaguely negative assessment of speedchuck.

[Tangrowth]

Why is that gross? We have a bad habit of letting lurkers live way longer than they should around here. I can try to generate discussion until I'm blue in the face in the hopes of uncovering something I think is shifty, but if at the end of the day, I still think this is the best way to cast my vote, how is that gross? Should I force myself to feel suspicion against someone that I don't?

It's someone that I'm actively scum reading.

I'm not suggesting you should force yourself to have suspicions. I am suggesting that it's hard to believe that you don't have them naturally.

I don't, sorry. I wish I did honestly. I suppose I have had some vague gut reactions to various posts, including to you and Diiny, but nothing that wasn't adequately addressed for the time being or worthy of my vote. I also thought dunya made a potentially compelling point about LC, but I'm townreading him for other reasons and my gut doesn't agree with it. Anyway, you'll see for yourself when you have time to read; just let me know what questions you have, if any, once you've done so.

I know I'm not good at scumhunting; I've been trying more to townhunt instead. I suppose I haven't tried hard enough, I have tried to engage with people in real time for the last few hours though. I feel good about half the players at the moment, including almost all of the active players, excluding you and Elo. I'm sure some or most of it will reset after this result though and I'll need to start pushing people back down into neutralzone to sort them out better. Nearly half the player list hasn't said anything of substance, really, so that doesn't help either. Hopefully that'll change soon.

[nijuukyugou]

A distinct possibility. Only LC voting for EHonda really stood out as an odd choice.

I voted for Long Con. E. Honda is fat. I don't like him. Long Con likes fat fighters?

Jiggle jiggle

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel good about half the players at the moment, including almost all of the active players, excluding you and Elo.

What's holding you back from voting Elo or I?

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Diiny asked this earlier, but thought I'd @mention you. How will ties be handled?

[Tangrowth]

I feel good about half the players at the moment, including almost all of the active players, excluding you and Elo.

What's holding you back from voting Elo or I?

I don't really feel either of you is suspicious; I just haven't town read you either. I haven't had the chance to mindmeld with you yet so I'm maybe tinfoiling a bit, and Elo wasn't really active until just recently, and while I don't agree with her Blooper suspicion, she seems genuine GTH. And both of you have contributed adequately I suppose.

[Sloonei]

Voting Bass. Don't lynch me.

[Tangrowth]

Jay, is there anything else you can specifically say re: Sloonei that might help me see what you're finding suspicious? I read what you had to say, Diiny echoed those thoughts, and I went back and reread Sloonei's posts, particularly those in the exchange in question, and I'm not seeing it. I feel as though Sloonei responded pretty much in-kind with what was thrown at him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am thoroughly underwhelmed by a Bass lynch. This is laziness. I can on rare occasion understand lynching a total lurker on a Day 1 wherein the participate rate is abysmal and there's nothing to work with, but this one hasn't been bad. There are plenty of posts, though I admit that I haven't read them all yet.

[speedchuck]

This is a bloody ton of posts. I forgot this was 24 hours. Glad we aren't actually lynching Sloon, I thought that was a joke. No way I'm going to catch up tonight, I have to get up before 6 tomorrow.

I'll try to do some analysis night 1.

[Tangrowth]

I am thoroughly underwhelmed by a Bass lynch. This is laziness. I can on rare occasion understand lynching a total lurker on a Day 1 wherein the participate rate is abysmal and there's nothing to work with, but this one hasn't been bad. There are plenty of posts, though I admit that I haven't read them all yet.

I respectfully disagree; I got nothing incriminating out of this thread today. But if you have some convincing interpretations of stuff once you catch up, I'd love to hear it.

[speedchuck]

Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.

[Tangrowth]

This is a bloody ton of posts. I forgot this was 24 hours. Glad we aren't actually lynching Sloon, I thought that was a joke. No way I'm going to catch up tonight, I have to get up before 6 tomorrow.

I'll try to do some analysis night 1.

Sorry guys. I won't be verbally spewing this much in future cycles, I promise, though I'll still try to contribute however I can as much as I can. This is basically how I spent my free time today. I haven't played in too long clearly.

[Tangrowth]

Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.

Is this based on anything in LC's posts, or is it essentially random? The wording has me confused.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, is there anything else you can specifically say re: Sloonei that might help me see what you're finding suspicious? I read what you had to say, Diiny echoed those thoughts, and I went back and reread Sloonei's posts, particularly those in the exchange in question, and I'm not seeing it. I feel as though Sloonei responded pretty much in-kind with what was thrown at him.

I think his initial reception of the silly "alien" accusations looked dubious, like someone swatting away accusations instead of someone exploring accusations (the latter is something I associate with high-facilitation players like Sloonei). I don't see much evidence in the rest of his posts that he is trying to solve the situation. He wrote off the initial two (LC and Jack) and barely went at speedchuck.

I don't pretend this stuff is severely damning, but it's what has most caught my attention this Day 1.

What do you mean by "in-kind" in your description? How does that project to a supportive take on Sloonei like yours?

[Tangrowth]

Ugh. Here I have been advocating against lynching Sloonei and yet a small part of me wants to move my vote there to make it a tie for some insane reason thinking that I'm just missing something completely.

[Tangrowth]

I wish we knew what happened in the event of tie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi said in a recent hosting effort that he doesn't like ties being randomized and that he won't do it that way anymore. Beyond that no clue.

[speedchuck]

Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.

Is this based on anything in LC's posts, or is it essentially random? The wording has me confused.

Essentially random. I have nothing on LC or Bass. Or Sloon. I thought we had 48 hours and Sloonei is a reliable player, so I was going to see how he responded.

Brain fart on that one.

And I'm not a huge fan of the "tie meta", at least not for voter analysis. Maybe it's hypocritical since I haven't read the day, but I'm sick of tie-ing every D1 up. I will straight up change my vote to Bass if you make this a 3-way tie.

[Tangrowth]

Jay, is there anything else you can specifically say re: Sloonei that might help me see what you're finding suspicious? I read what you had to say, Diiny echoed those thoughts, and I went back and reread Sloonei's posts, particularly those in the exchange in question, and I'm not seeing it. I feel as though Sloonei responded pretty much in-kind with what was thrown at him.

I think his initial reception of the silly "alien" accusations looked dubious, like someone swatting away accusations instead of someone exploring accusations (the latter is something I associate with high-facilitation players like Sloonei). I don't see much evidence in the rest of his posts that he is trying to solve the situation. He wrote off the initial two (LC and Jack) and barely went at speedchuck.

I don't pretend this stuff is severely damning, but it's what has most caught my attention this Day 1.

What do you mean by "in-kind" in your description? How does that project to a supportive take on Sloonei like yours?

I don't know; I just looked at it again and it seemed like an entirely natural response to have I guess. What do you mean by solve the situation?

I suppose I just don't see why anyone would expect Sloonei to come back guns ablazing to any of the accusations? I mean, he could have made more of an effort to scumhunt, sure, but that could have been said of nearly all of us for the game until just 4-5 hours ago probably, and even still for half of the players.

I would call Sloonei's play this game underwhelming, but not suspicious. I would assert part of my defense of him was gut -- he was in the thread when I joined it earlier today in real time, along with dunya as well, and his posts read genuine. Seemed to me he was just the victim of RVS. Not fighting hard to save his life by any means, sure, but I'm not sure why that is suspicious?

It's entirely possible Sloonei is bad, but I saw nothing that made me seriously consider it during this first phase.

[Tangrowth]

Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.

Is this based on anything in LC's posts, or is it essentially random? The wording has me confused.

Essentially random. I have nothing on LC or Bass. Or Sloon. I thought we had 48 hours and Sloonei is a reliable player, so I was going to see how he responded.

Brain fart on that one.

And I'm not a huge fan of the "tie meta", at least not for voter analysis. Maybe it's hypocritical since I haven't read the day, but I'm sick of tie-ing every D1 up. I will straight up change my vote to Bass if you make this a 3-way tie.

I wasn't going to anyway; I'm just feeling nervous about this result, despite being the one to initially suggest it. I got a big plate of nothing.

[Tangrowth]

I'll be back later just to check the result, otherwise I won't have much time for the next 24 hours because I need to work ridiculous hours tomorrow. BBL. Fingers crossed.

[Long Con]

A distinct possibility. Only LC voting for EHonda really stood out as an odd choice.

I voted for Long Con. E. Honda is fat. I don't like him. Long Con likes fat fighters?

I emulated the rhyming scheme of the post before mine, actually. That was enough reason for me.

[Epignosis]

I had a fantasy football draft. It's done, so I am here.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis

Diiny asked this earlier, but thought I'd @mention you. How will ties be handled?

If there's a tie, you'll find out.

[Epignosis]

Round 1...Fight!

Poll ended at Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:02 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Bass_the_Clever
4
33%


Voters: Elohcin, Sloonei, MovingPictures07, nijuukyugou

DFaraday
0
No votes


Voters: None

Diiny
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dom
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
0
No votes


Voters: None

dunya
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elohcin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
3
25%


Voters: dunya, speedchuck, Simon

MovingPictures07
1
8%


Voters: Long Con

Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes


Voters: None

malakim2099
0
No votes


Voters: None

nijuukyugou
0
No votes


Voters: None

Simon
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
2
17%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Diiny

speedchuck
1
8%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005

Birdie (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
1
8%


Voters: Epignosis


Total votes: 12

[Epignosis]

YOU LOSE!

Bass_the_Clever has been defeated. He was:

[Epignosis]

It is now Night 1. You have 23 hours (until 10pm EST) to submit your PMs.

[Tangrowth]

Ugh. RIP Bass.

[Dom]

Catching up

Hi everyone. I'm here.

My idea is that some people voted for their role instead of their favorite character.

Hey Simon!

Why do you think some people might have done that?

For example, mom doesn't know anything about Street Fighter. So why would she pick Cammy? When we were in the car talking about Halloween costumes, she said she didn't like the way Cammy was dressed because you can't wear that outfit during Halloween because it's cold. So that doesn't make any sense.

So that proves she is Cammy or a mafia bad guy who just picked somebody at random.

yo simon but why does that mean eloh must be bad?

why can't eloh be good and have done this? i don't know anything about street fighter so i picked the name i liked best.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm cautious because this is me. If I were to display any amount of confidence on Day 1 I'd be full on in MP hurricane mode based on very little and that typically doesn't end as well for town as I'd like it to, to put it lightly. I find that town benefits much better from me being cautious than careless.

I remember you being a tad more brazen than this in our games on OT. I like that you've stuck your neck out for some people, but tbh conversely that ties in with my fear of you treading very lightly.

If you had to choose right now, who's scum? Is your vote staying on squid? show me some fire without any actual consequences.

Probably. I'm sure I'll get brazen at some point here too like I almost always do, but my record at actually catching scum when I put my foot full on the brakes is almost certainly laughably bad. Especially early on in games the past couple of years, I try to be as measured as possible, but I'll still poke something if I feel there's something worth poking. As the game progresses I'll probably be more likely to pursue something doggedly. It depends inevitably on what happens though. If I really thought there was something super suspicious in the thread right now I'd be all over it, I think anyway. As it stands, unfortunately I think this game is a more typical Day 1 -- there's a bunch of weaksauce cases to be made that may or may not be totally legit, and I'm not in love with any of them -- specifically, the thoughts people have said re: any of the players with votes right now (Sloonei, JOH, LC, and speedchuck). With that said, however, I'm most potentially swayed by dunya's observation of LC. Just not ready to pull the trigger on it. Not convinced in the slightest by any of the others.

If I had to choose right now... ugh. I'm terrible at scum reads early in the game and these days much prefer to play POE for the first phase or two because I think it plays to my strengths. That said, I suppose I'd pick two or three of Bass, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, Elohcin, and malakim to be bad (and which I choose would be basically luck at this point because none of them have literally anything substantial to judge), and then one of the players with votes right now that have some heat (JOH, Sloonei, LC, speedchuck -- GTH I'd pick LC), and then one of the more talkative bunch so far (you, Jay, dunya, Sloonei again, Blooper -- GTH I'd pick Jay). So LC, Jay, and two lurkers basically. I think.

As for what I'd do with my vote, it's very likely moving away from Blooper. I don't feel anything bad about her right now; it was basically RVS. I'd most likely vote for Bass. Not sure yet. It'd be nice if more folks popped in here soon so I can sort through how everyone else is feeling.

I hate this post. Whole lotta nothing. Like trying to guess the plot of a show. But there is no script, no writer playing up drama, just players playing and thus, no strength behind these ideas.

I dislike his interactions with LC a lot (in that LC comes out on top and MP comes across dishonest) and of course, his push on Bass, a townie.

At this point, MP is my top suspect.

[Long Con]

I'm cautious because this is me. If I were to display any amount of confidence on Day 1 I'd be full on in MP hurricane mode based on very little and that typically doesn't end as well for town as I'd like it to, to put it lightly. I find that town benefits much better from me being cautious than careless.

I remember you being a tad more brazen than this in our games on OT. I like that you've stuck your neck out for some people, but tbh conversely that ties in with my fear of you treading very lightly.

If you had to choose right now, who's scum? Is your vote staying on squid? show me some fire without any actual consequences.

Probably. I'm sure I'll get brazen at some point here too like I almost always do, but my record at actually catching scum when I put my foot full on the brakes is almost certainly laughably bad. Especially early on in games the past couple of years, I try to be as measured as possible, but I'll still poke something if I feel there's something worth poking. As the game progresses I'll probably be more likely to pursue something doggedly. It depends inevitably on what happens though. If I really thought there was something super suspicious in the thread right now I'd be all over it, I think anyway. As it stands, unfortunately I think this game is a more typical Day 1 -- there's a bunch of weaksauce cases to be made that may or may not be totally legit, and I'm not in love with any of them -- specifically, the thoughts people have said re: any of the players with votes right now (Sloonei, JOH, LC, and speedchuck). With that said, however, I'm most potentially swayed by dunya's observation of LC. Just not ready to pull the trigger on it. Not convinced in the slightest by any of the others.

If I had to choose right now... ugh. I'm terrible at scum reads early in the game and these days much prefer to play POE for the first phase or two because I think it plays to my strengths. That said, I suppose I'd pick two or three of Bass, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, Elohcin, and malakim to be bad (and which I choose would be basically luck at this point because none of them have literally anything substantial to judge), and then one of the players with votes right now that have some heat (JOH, Sloonei, LC, speedchuck -- GTH I'd pick LC), and then one of the more talkative bunch so far (you, Jay, dunya, Sloonei again, Blooper -- GTH I'd pick Jay). So LC, Jay, and two lurkers basically. I think.

As for what I'd do with my vote, it's very likely moving away from Blooper. I don't feel anything bad about her right now; it was basically RVS. I'd most likely vote for Bass. Not sure yet. It'd be nice if more folks popped in here soon so I can sort through how everyone else is feeling.

I hate this post. Whole lotta nothing. Like trying to guess the plot of a show. But there is no script, no writer playing up drama, just players playing and thus, no strength behind these ideas.

I dislike his interactions with LC a lot (in that LC comes out on top and MP comes across dishonest) and of course, his push on Bass, a townie.

At this point, MP is my top suspect.

I approve of this post.

[Dom]

gah no roleclaiming/outing really goes against my instincts

how have you found adapting, JJJ? iirc that's how the majority of games are played here

Does this post seem forced to anyone else?

I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.

i doubt diiny has bstc

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, what a finale. Game of Thrones.