Pirate Mafia [END GAME]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I voted Sig > Quin > Wilgy

[Tangrowth]

Oh, and FWIW, Jay was civ in... all these games. Serge was mafia in Turf Wars, Battlestar Galactica was an unconventional game so I wouldn't read into individual alignments there, and Jay and motel room were civ in Mad Max. That might give some insight into this situations.

Ok. Going. See you all later now. For real.

[Kylemii]

I voted Sig > Quin > Wilgy

Can I get timestamps for those? Thank you

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Didn't people invite me to a GTH?

[Spacedaisy]

Quin is focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming I'm getting the feeling he's doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies.

*votes Quin*

Here is where he changed to Quin

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And the WIlgy one is the one where I mentioned the CFD

[Spacedaisy]

Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

Think maybe this is where he moved to Wilgy?

Did DDL actually start the move to Wilgy, not Speed??

[Spacedaisy]

And the WIlgy one is the one where I mentioned the CFD

lol, yeah I'm trying to help Kyle put together a timeline of the lynch votes.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm going to start @mentioning you Kyle so I know you see them... I don't want to be wasting my time getting this information together for you just to have it sit there not getting used.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think Speed voted after me, yes.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok looks like I'm not part of the conversation so I'm coming back later.

Cya.

[Kylemii]

Thank you so much

I'm eating dinner but when I get back I'll get to work

Linki, DDL just give your thoughts on everyone

[Spacedaisy]

I need to run to the pet store. Sato's fin rot is looking worse and Alex is freaking out a bit. I'll bbl guys. I'll help pull some more quotes with time stamps for your Kyle once I get back. I'll just sort through everyone's posts using the ISO function.

[Kylemii]

I'm gonna start from the bottom of the post # list

[Kylemii]

i just have these people left:
MovingPictures07
Quin
dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck
DrWilgy

if you are one of them please help :x

[Kylemii]

lol.

Kylemii: Quin cares too much about addressing his case!
Dunya: MP doesn't address his case!

These are both stupid lines of reasoning. I'm moving to wilgy.

hey speedchuck, are these really the reasons why you thought Quinn and MP were getting votes?

[Spacedaisy]

i just have these people left:
MovingPictures07
Quin
dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck
DrWilgy

if you are one of them please help :x

Kyle I already quoted all of DDLs vote posts and they contain time stamps.

[Kylemii]

i just have these people left:
MovingPictures07
Quin
dunya
Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck
DrWilgy

if you are one of them please help :x

Kyle I already quoted all of DDLs vote posts and they contain time stamps.

whoops i did him twice then D:

I have Dunya Quin and MP left.

[Spacedaisy]

I'll take dunya

[speedchuck]

Speed, can you talk to me about your GTH read of LC as bad, and also of NT and Spankgangsta? My inclination with the no shows was to put them as good because I had nothing to go on and neutral reads aren't allowed, so I just said good and moved on. Why do you specifically feel LC is bad and what led you to the opposite tactic for the no shows?

linki: We used to have a poll mod that also tracked what order the votes were placed. So if you changed your vote it would change where your vote was in the order. but with the upgrade to the new site we have not been able to find a mod with that. We believe LT had coded the original one for that purpose and i just don't have that know how at the moment. Sorry to fail you guys. I am willing to bold my vote. I always announce them, just haven't been bolding them.

LC is usually a persistent pain in the butts of players, making sure discussion keeps driving and putting himself out there. I've NEVER (to my recollection) seen him go silent or fade into the background, and be content there. Add in that his 'big contribution' was an easy controversial statement at the start of D1, and yes, I'm suspish. Not super suspish, but in GTH, neutral isn't an option.

Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)

This is one hell of an apologizing when Wilgy hasnt flipped.

If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

lol.

Kylemii: Quin cares too much about addressing his case!
Dunya: MP doesn't address his case!

These are both stupid lines of reasoning. I'm moving to wilgy.

hey speedchuck, are these really the reasons why you thought Quinn and MP were getting votes?

Nope. But a lot of the new arguments were devolving into that. Half of MP's votes seemed to be because he was trying to be self-preserving in an active, find-someone-else scummy way. Which isn't indicative of alignement.
Quin was pushed at for not making a lot of conclusions or statements, and for being concerned about appearances. Not the greatest, but hey, it's D1. I began getting different gut feels for Quin near dayend. Just felt wrong to lynch him.

For the record, I voted Dunya -> Quin -> Wilgy I think. I forget when.

[Kylemii]

I'm taking a break, these are the vote posts please let me know if i missed anything, or if you have anything to add

Spoiler: show

NewTraditionalist
No Vote

SpankGangsta
No Vote

Kyle

my wifi is acting wonky rn so i'm putting my vote on MP for now. i won't necessarily keep it there, i just don't want to miss the vote

DDL

Quin is focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming I'm getting the feeling he's doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies.

*votes Quin*

Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

Voting Sig.

SD

My gut still says DDL. When I read his ISO one of the things I noticed was that early on he was pushing other people for reads when he himself had not provided any. Additionally, his back pedalling on Sig and now his treatment of the Quin/MP situation. I feel like he is hedging. I'm voting DDL.

Sig

Can't talk in class will explain vote later (Quin)

Long Con

Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.

Eeeennh... let's see how DDL flips before we condemn you for this one.

Voting DDL. He's scum.

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
1
Voters: Long Con

Kylemii
1
Voters: dunya

MovingPictures07
2
Voters: Kylemii, DrWilgy

NewTraditionalist
2
Voters: MovingPictures07, sig

Quin
2
Voters: speedchuck, Dragon D. Luffy

No Lynch
1
Voters: Quin

There's a snapshot of the lynch before I cast my final vote and go to work. Three vote leaders at this time, and MP07 is my biggest suspect among those three. I will change my vote to MP07, and It's not going to change.

Dr.Wilgy

Is Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

(Kyle)

Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

(MovingPictures07

I don't know after that but he ended up with his vote on DDL, maybe here?

Dragon D. Luffy - Posts
Quin - Posts

Speedchuck

1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

lol.

Kylemii: Quin cares too much about addressing his case!
Dunya: MP doesn't address his case!

These are both stupid lines of reasoning. I'm moving to wilgy.

Dunya
Dunya didn't use the word "vot" with any of her votes. i think i remember her putting in at least one other vote but i can't find it

Sorry MP I really panicked and felt like you were taking me on a ride. I wish I had 3 hours with you to assess everything new you said.

Quin

And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

linki: yeah dogs are gross

(no lynch, i think?)

May as well through our self-pres votes on, MP. I'm willing to go elsewhere with it if we can swing it though.

nvm i voted wilgy

MP

Putting a pressure vote on LC because I need him to elaborate ASAP.

I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

Okay, well unfortunately I am out for the night, and tomorrow I’ll be pretty busy with work, a concert, and prepping for company. I’ll see what I can do though.

I don’t know what Wilgy is doing but I presume he’s trying to use emoticons to communicate solely for whatever crazy reason he does these things, and I’m honestly miffed that he hasn’t elaborated further but I hesitate to say it’s nefarious. I think he’s throwing out reads so it’s something. It’d be nice if he could say more but I find difficulty seeing his current behavior as scummy, just vague and mildly infuriating. I also know he tends to gut read me as scum when’s he’s town nearly every damn game (like sig and Dom), so his vote on me actually makes me think he’s ok GTH.

My town reads are Kyle, Wilgy, and sig. I am tentatively leaning town on dunya and speedchuck but can’t sort either of them yet. Everyone else is a ?.

I guess I’ll move my vote to Daisy now. I need to hear what she’s thinking.

Good night folks. Generate that awesome content, keep it up.

Linki with sig, thanks for responding. Care to elaborate why you are against fake claims?

MOving my vote to Kyle

Oh there’s no unvote... huh.

Alright throwing a vote on NT

Ugh it’s raining again my phoneeee

moving my vote to NO LYNCH as I do some investigation, I guess a lurker lynch is preferable to my own, but I want to make it clear that I don't advocate it at this time. I wouldn't have kept my vote there, but my time has been limited and I honestly had no idea what to do with it, then my phone stopped working last night.

discussion of no lynching is a great way to bring early content into the thread though.

also puts LC in a good light for me.

+1

This is Quin's first post regarding anything alignment-related. It's not ideal because it's just echoing someone else's sentiment without explaining why he feels that way.

I feel comfortable enough moving my vote to Quin for now, partially out of self-preservation but because I've already seen enough in his ISO that leaves some to be desired. I'll keep digging a bit though.

Quin, why are you town? Help. I came into the thread into a similar situation. If we're both town, I need you to work with me here.

I'm moving to DDL while I await your further response.

(this vote was late and didn't count but i think it is important to include anyways)

Fuck, I'm tied.Moving to Wilgy for self-pres I guess.

[Kylemii]

Speed, can you talk to me about your GTH read of LC as bad, and also of NT and Spankgangsta? My inclination with the no shows was to put them as good because I had nothing to go on and neutral reads aren't allowed, so I just said good and moved on. Why do you specifically feel LC is bad and what led you to the opposite tactic for the no shows?

linki: We used to have a poll mod that also tracked what order the votes were placed. So if you changed your vote it would change where your vote was in the order. but with the upgrade to the new site we have not been able to find a mod with that. We believe LT had coded the original one for that purpose and i just don't have that know how at the moment. Sorry to fail you guys. I am willing to bold my vote. I always announce them, just haven't been bolding them.

LC is usually a persistent pain in the butts of players, making sure discussion keeps driving and putting himself out there. I've NEVER (to my recollection) seen him go silent or fade into the background, and be content there. Add in that his 'big contribution' was an easy controversial statement at the start of D1, and yes, I'm suspish. Not super suspish, but in GTH, neutral isn't an option.

Basically, Rico was a legit lynch. With you, Wilgy...
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)
Baby I'm soooooorrrrraaayy!
(I'm not sorry!)

This is one hell of an apologizing when Wilgy hasnt flipped.

If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

lol.

Kylemii: Quin cares too much about addressing his case!
Dunya: MP doesn't address his case!

These are both stupid lines of reasoning. I'm moving to wilgy.

hey speedchuck, are these really the reasons why you thought Quinn and MP were getting votes?

Nope. But a lot of the new arguments were devolving into that. Half of MP's votes seemed to be because he was trying to be self-preserving in an active, find-someone-else scummy way. Which isn't indicative of alignement.
Quin was pushed at for not making a lot of conclusions or statements, and for being concerned about appearances. Not the greatest, but hey, it's D1. I began getting different gut feels for Quin near dayend. Just felt wrong to lynch him.

For the record, I voted Dunya -> Quin -> Wilgy I think. I forget when.

i think you're referring to my discussion with Quin near the end of the day phase, but that was a discussion created by Quin, i didn't even vote for Quin.

[Long Con]

Crazy times. RIP Wilgy!

[Tangrowth]

Attempting a proper catch-up now... finally.

Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.

I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.

didnt like this as a first post.

hey everyone let's look at everyone who roleplays
but let's also not

bad first post. leaning scummy for sig.

the fact that sig posts a few posts immediately before and kyle (my other scumspect) calls out 3 other players itt at the time to give their scumspects but ignores sig also doesn't sit as well with me.

Speedchuck, Quin, and MP, I would like to know if you have any early reads in anyone?

but then sig posts this:

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

and now I feel pretty good about sig. A scum wouldn't ask the cop to roleclaim as soon as they have a lead on day 1. A scum wouldn't be telling power roles what to do at all on day 1. His later clarification on why 1 PR civ is equal as 1 scum. I can follow that logic. I dig his reasons. I dig his gall. I dig his persona.

overall leaning town for sig.

Explain this logic; it isn't apparent to me.

[Tangrowth]

so far

Friends
Wilgy
Dragon
sig
LongCon
Meh
speedchuck
movingpic
Quin
Foes
kyle

need more intel

dunya, what was inspiring the DDL read as of this post? all you had said about or to him previously that I can see was this and this.

[Tangrowth]

I have a hard time believing LC and sig are mafia teammates based on their little back-and-forth, but that's just my initial interpretation. It'd have to be pretty good faked distancing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Thank you so much

I'm eating dinner but when I get back I'll get to work

Linki, DDL just give your thoughts on everyone

Ok.

Gonna try to write in a burst to make it natural. I don't actually have reads on half these people but I guess this is the point.

Dragon D. Luffy - CIV
dunya - CIV
Kylemii - CIV
Long Con - CIV
MovingPictures07 - CIV
NewTraditionalist - CIV
Quin - BAD
sig - CIV
Spacedaisy - BAD
SpankGangsta - BAD
speedchuck - BAD

[Tangrowth]

So everyone here thinks that if the cop sees someone fakeclaim as cop they think they're covering for the real cop? What good does it do to the thread though? Why can't mafia fakeclaim to be cop?

I've never played in a game where civ fakeclaim resulted in good things, so I am entirely biased.

I remember MovingPictures07 having a lot to say about this tactic, so it'd be good to get his perspective.

I do, but I'm not sure it'd be productive to discuss further at this point, and I incidentally already spoke my piece when responding to sig. Also, I feel like I'm getting nowhere with reads catching up on all the tactical claim discussion.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

That isn't my point. The point is that you were discussing whether you were feeling bad or not about Wilgy's flip even though he hadn't flipped yet.

Granted a lot of people did that and some of them are probably civ. But yours called the most of my attention, specially since you voted for him.

[Tangrowth]

Even though role claiming is typically not allowed, this time it's a tool by design. I suggest tabling the anti-role claiming prejudice mindset for a bit.

Yes which I've done, which is the whole reason I laid out when I thought the cop should claim. However, the anti-fake-role claiming prejudice is alive and well.

Linki: Y'all are posting way to much

Yes to whoever asked this is common of Wilgy regardless of his alignment.

I want to lynch LC he's smoke screening civ ( I totally stole this and have no shame about it). His posts are gut reading very bad to me and his snarky behavior seems very scummy. I'll at some point take a quick gander to other games and see what I see, but from what I remember this is classic LC mafia.

Kyle's post seems to be very careful, but there's also a fair amount of content and it's still early in the game to have concrete reads so I like that

What does smoke screening mean?

[Tangrowth]

Look here y'all, I'm going to a concert tonight so don't expect too much of me.ive read and caught up to now and I have like three or four things to say.

1. MP pressure voting me is a fucking joke. It's one thing for someone to pressure vote jevwho doesn't live in the same house as me, but cone on. You know I'm not even caught up to the thread, it's not like I'm lurking and hiding. It's a joke, and really easy. Don't get me wrong, it's not definitely suspicious it's just teally easy to look like he's doing something when he's not. Don't let him get away with such a soft pressure vote in the future without questioning it.

2. Fake claiming when done properly absolutely can and has won the civs games. Arrested Development cones to mind, when Turnip Head and MP fake claimed and provided me cover as the cop for two nights, allowing me to find them and out them. Even in Seinfeld I was night killed night 1 because the baddies thought I was role claiming. I wasn't, but it's better to lose a vanilla than a power role N1. Additionally, seeing who the baddies kill based on their fake claims can also help us sort who be good a la seer hunt clear. Fake cop claims can be a great tool for the civs when done right.

3. Dunya, you come from RYM I thought you guys used this type of thing over there even more here. And having heard how great your civ game and instinct is, you arguing so solidly against fake claims not only surprises me but makes me suspect you.

4. My guy says DDL bad. I can't put my finger on why, but in my read my gut spoke and I am sharing it because I usually regret it later. I'll look into an ISO of him tomorrow to see if I can identify why.

LOL, you say it's a joke but -- like Jay, you're a player I like to get a read on as quickly as possible, and whether you like it or not, you respond to it. I agree people should question it. People should question everyone's actions on D1.

Who was letting me get away with it?

[Tangrowth]

umm dunya from RYM says mafia/scum would fakeclaim on rym to save their arses, indeed, many mods would give one member of the mafia team a free fakeclaim sometimes even! -- but civs would not fakeclaim. except maybe rundontwalk but he was so eccentric and would get lynched literally the same day.

Okay, I will say one thing on this topic, and that is in my experience with hosting/playing these games at The Syndicate, nearly every time I've seen a fake claim in a game here it's been when townies try to cover for the cop, and I've never seen a mafia fake claim until out of complete desperation (their lynch appears imminent and no one buys it). Perhaps our differences in experience cause this diversion in opinion.

[Tangrowth]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =28&t=1358

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=28&t=799

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1134

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1217

Thank you, sorry for the run-around but this has helped a lot.

What exactly are you looking for when you parse through this information? Do you still want me to give you references for my games?

[Tangrowth]

Wow, my phone posts from the concert look like drunk posts.

[Tangrowth]

Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

We have an 8-way lynch tie right now.

That is a lot of spread.

I didn't get to elaborate upon this at the time. I think making sure to apply pressure to as many players as possible throughout a day period is ideal; consensus suspects before the deadline permit mafia to coast, even if the suspect is one of them (allows the others to coast). When the vote gets down to EoD, then it's a different story and the priority shifts from trying to develop reads on as many players as possible to eliminating a player based on the information generated in the 45 or so hours beforehand.

[Tangrowth]

Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

Hey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.

I agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9

What was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.

Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, also that Daisy vote irked me about MP07's play today. That was just weird.

Spoiler: show

"Weird" and "interesting" are words that mafia loves to throw around, while they noncommittedly make no argument or assessment as to why what they're observing is alignment-indicative.

Explain, LC. You look scummy.

[Tangrowth]

Votes I'm willing to end on: DDL, MP07, speedchuck, sig... Quin if none of those are viable.

This is player salad. I hate it.

I really think LC is bad. He needs to answer for this.

I still don't like the "trying too hard" accusation because I think that's nonsense, but I wasn't willing to scumread him for it because I know it's one that LC regularly throws at mine and others' direction.

How the hell was he consensus townread during the GTH exercise? If I was caught up, there's no way I'd have given him a town reading.

[Tangrowth]

And I need to go right now. Dammit, I was so close. I will try to finish the catch up later and then I will post updated rainbow (can't believe I haven't posted any yet!). I just found out yesterday I got called for jury duty for... tomorrow, my proposal defense date. But they won't answer my calls so I guess I'm going to have to make the drive down there. Bah. And I have other things to do to prep for company arriving within a couple of hours...

My time will be limited forthcoming until Tuesday morning because company will be here until then. Keep me accountable, but be understanding that my time to be a whirlwind will likely be limited to short bursts.

[Long Con]

Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

Hey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.

I agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9

What was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.

Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.

A widespread vote makes it really easy for the mafia to control the lynch. You know this.

Yeah, also that Daisy vote irked me about MP07's play today. That was just weird.

Spoiler: show

"Weird" and "interesting" are words that mafia loves to throw around, while they noncommittedly make no argument or assessment as to why what they're observing is alignment-indicative.

Explain, LC. You look scummy.

People of both alignments use those words. What Mafia do is try to dress word-usage up as alignment-indicative. It was weird, you live with her, you know exactly how busy she is or isn't, you're not an appropriate player to be putting down a pressure vote on her. It's FAKE.

Votes I'm willing to end on: DDL, MP07, speedchuck, sig... Quin if none of those are viable.

This is player salad. I hate it.

I really think LC is bad. He needs to answer for this.

I still don't like the "trying too hard" accusation because I think that's nonsense, but I wasn't willing to scumread him for it because I know it's one that LC regularly throws at mine and others' direction.

How the hell was he consensus townread during the GTH exercise? If I was caught up, there's no way I'd have given him a town reading.

More clichés. Player salad indeed. Those are the players that I discussed during the day that I came away feeling suspicious about. You can even see the various levels of my suspicion for those players laid out clearly as Scumdar10 ratings. Naming them all in one post isn't suspicious, it's called consistency, and it was a good way to remind everyone of where I stand for the lynch.

You think you have found a weakness in me to exploit, but you are wrong. And you are going down, tomorrow if I get my way.

[speedchuck]

If you'll notice, I'm doing the opposite of apologizing. It's hidden in the parenthesis, so I understand if you missed it.

That isn't my point. The point is that you were discussing whether you were feeling bad or not about Wilgy's flip even though he hadn't flipped yet.

Granted a lot of people did that and some of them are probably civ. But yours called the most of my attention, specially since you voted for him.

Let's put it this way, taking MP as an example. Let's say I was 30% on Wilgy being scum, and 40% on MP. Who should I have voted for?

Most people would say MP. Maybe they would be right. I voted Wilgy. Why?
Because town loses a lot more with a town MP lynch than a town wilgy lynch. Because Wilgy was acting in a way that I practically policy-lynch over. Because Wilgy isn't going to get easier to read as days go on, as MP will, and I might as well get him out of the way early.

I think Wilgy caught on to that he wasn't technically my biggest scumread at the time, and was aggravated that I voted him. So I (didn't) apologize. Granted, I was hyped up on self-righteous irritation, but that's where I was.

If you'll recall, not only had wilgy not flipped, but I didn't know at that point who had even been lynched.

So I wouldn't say that I was feeling good or bad about Wilgy's flip, per se. I was discussing how I felt about his possible lynch, and my decision to vote him. And I felt pretty good about it.

[Ricochet]

Insanifying is a mechanic that mafia uses for a reason. Screw self-imposed crap like that. I will be down to lynch it every time, early on, as bloody policy. Rico was a legit scumread. You were basically null. I was DTL (down-to-lynch) anyways.

"Oh em gee, he still thinks "dude posting clips of distorted phonograph music samples and nothing else" was "legit scumread".

Spoiler: show

[speedchuck]

Insanifying is a mechanic that mafia uses for a reason. Screw self-imposed crap like that. I will be down to lynch it every time, early on, as bloody policy. Rico was a legit scumread. You were basically null. I was DTL (down-to-lynch) anyways.

"Oh em gee, he still thinks "dude posting clips of distorted phonograph music samples and nothing else" was "legit scumread".

Those were distorted?

I can't stream music at work, so I never listened to them.

Unlike with poppy or your weird othersite smileys, Rico, I got nothing whatsoever from your phonographs. So I scumread you because you were literally making it 100% impossible to read you, which is an interesting scum strategy. It was clearly different, in my mind, from your other gimmicks.

Though, seeing any obscuring gimmick makes me feel a little bit lynchy.

[Spacedaisy]

While normally i might agree with that on a Day 1 speed, there was a lot of other very meaty conversation going on, lynching Wilgy looks really bad.

[Spacedaisy]

[mention]MovingPictures07[/mention] Enjoy the last time you get any response whatsoever from your "pressure vote" which does literally 0 to get me to read or post, I think it is useless and you will never hear me comment on it again. this time around you didn't even say you thought I was suspicious. Which in itself is mildly suspicious because last time it got a very passionate reaction from me. Is that why you didn't use it here? Either way, your so called pressure vote on me is in my opinion easy and therefore lazy.

btw, I could see a DDL/MP pairing as well, given how DDL was hem hawing between MP and Quin and then ended up voting Quin.

[Sloonei]

Captain's note: in order to chart a more desirable course moving forward, I'll be delaying the start of Day 2 by 1 hour. I hope to keep this deadline for the duration of the game.

[Kylemii]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =28&t=1358

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=28&t=799

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1134

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1217

Thank you, sorry for the run-around but this has helped a lot.

What exactly are you looking for when you parse through this information? Do you still want me to give you references for my games?

What? No. I was asking about DDL. I wanted to see if his "nose bop" thing was a typical behavior for him in his civvie game

[Kylemii]

Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

Hey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.

I agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9

What was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.

Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.

I thought I explained? I brought it back up later in my readlist cus I didn't want you to be stressed out during the concert and it wasn't focus for me.

I thought it was strange that you commented on it, like you'd done something you didn't mean to do that would make your vote stick out and had to justify it real quick. It pinged me

[dunya]

@MovingPictures07 Enjoy the last time you get any response whatsoever from your "pressure vote" which does literally 0 to get me to read or post, I think it is useless and you will never hear me comment on it again. this time around you didn't even say you thought I was suspicious. Which in itself is mildly suspicious because last time it got a very passionate reaction from me. Is that why you didn't use it here? Either way, your so called pressure vote on me is in my opinion easy and therefore lazy.

btw, I could see a DDL/MP pairing as well, given how DDL was hem hawing between MP and Quin and then ended up voting Quin.

I find this post a bit overly sensitive/defensive. Granted, I've never played a full game with you and MP. Why does it bother that you much?

I also called you out for not having any posts. You seemed to get upset about that too.

Can someone tell me if this is typical Daisy behavior?

[Spacedaisy]

Because he lives with me. This has 0 to do with my role, or even his alignment. Why does no one find it weird that a spouse puts a pressure vote on someone knowing full well if they have had time to be in the thread or not. If you lived with someone who was playing, and knew for a fact they have not been in the thread, would you put a pressure vote on them? how does a pressure vote get me in here? It doesn't. I am affected by it literally not at all. Thus I find it ridiculous, useless and easy. Pressure vote someone who you don't know if has been in the thread, sure. That makes sense.