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I think re-reading Jack's post, I see he is defending Epi not giving a point to LC. Confusing.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pmcan someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pmPoint LC.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Already done, but you want more words?If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.
PS: What is my tell?
Wrong.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:47 pmI think re-reading Jack's post, I see he is defending Epi not giving a point to LC. Confusing.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pmcan someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pmPoint LC.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Already done, but you want more words?If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.
PS: What is my tell?
I still take issue with "mislynch" being used even in this context. Feels very revealing.
just to clarify here, although it is out of game related, I did ask her about the ~civ~ thing when I played on her forum. Everyone was calling other "civs" and she was on discord chat with me so I asked. She told me it referred to Civilian/Vanilla Townie. I did not tell her I use civilian as scum, only that in my experience and games I've played, we didn't refer to townies as "civs" so I wasn't sure what they were going on about. She may have misinterpreted my question. I don't hold this against her.Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:56 pmI said I wouldn't vote for colonialbob today because he got my Elton John reference. I appreciated that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:48 pmwhy did you say you won't be voting for cbob or mesk today?Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:46 pmIf you can't back up your accusations with, you know, facts, you should reconsider your accusations (if they are indeed genuine). I wasn't asking anybody to do any research. You can't do any such research unless you have access to old BTSC. I asked if anybody could point to a time I made some elaborate endgame-in-mind scheme on Day 1. Memory is all anybody needs for that.
But I can go ahead and say the answer to that is no, because it isn't how I operate. You can keep claiming I'm operating in a way I never have before if it's convenient for you.
I said I wouldn't vote for Mesk because of how she responded to the question about being big or little. She said she didn't know. That gave me the impression that she isn't aware that the mafia faction are little mountains, as she said she didn't know much about dirt. Without having any other experience with Mesk, I found that to be a guileless response.
My good opinion of Mesk went south when she said, "I'm pretty sure someone told me a civilian is scum" because that does look like trying too hard to be ignorant (no offense intended).
So my first read was right, but in your summary you used "mislynch" when that word wasn't used initially. Epi did not call it a mislynch, even though he should have been the one yelling it would be a mislynch if he's defending his innocence. Long Con did not call it a mislynch, either, since he was adamant about Epi's scumminess. Why would Jack call it a mislynch? It seems very strange way of thinking when you're out to accuse someone. "You're not a fast and easy mislynch" -- what...?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 pm Wrong.
"Point LC." Giving LC points.
"Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei."
Epi's post said that LC was trying to get an "easy mislynch out of the way." Long Con is pointing out that Epi is not an easy mislynch, and Jack is giving LC points for that observation about Epi. Jack is agreeing with LC that the use of "easy day one (mis)lynch" is more of a scare tactic from Epi than a defense.
To put it short:
Epi - "LC is trying to get me lynched nice and easy on D1"
LC - "You aren't an easy target Epi. That wasn't a defense, just a warning."
Jack - "I agree! Point to LC, vote for Epi."
Not sure what the last two lines mean, but Jack is agreeing with LC here and voting for Epi.
I agree. It is odd. Sorry if I confused things in my summary. Mislynch was implied heavily in Epi's post, and everything spawned off of that.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:59 pmSo my first read was right, but in your summary you used "mislynch" when that word wasn't used initially. Epi did not call it a mislynch, even though he should have been the one yelling it would be a mislynch if he's defending his innocence. Long Con did not call it a mislynch, either, since he was adamant about Epi's scumminess. Why would Jack call it a mislynch? It seems very strange way of thinking when you're out to accuse someone. "You're not a fast and easy mislynch" -- what...?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:53 pm Wrong.
"Point LC." Giving LC points.
"Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei."
Epi's post said that LC was trying to get an "easy mislynch out of the way." Long Con is pointing out that Epi is not an easy mislynch, and Jack is giving LC points for that observation about Epi. Jack is agreeing with LC that the use of "easy day one (mis)lynch" is more of a scare tactic from Epi than a defense.
To put it short:
Epi - "LC is trying to get me lynched nice and easy on D1"
LC - "You aren't an easy target Epi. That wasn't a defense, just a warning."
Jack - "I agree! Point to LC, vote for Epi."
Not sure what the last two lines mean, but Jack is agreeing with LC here and voting for Epi.
so that's one mystery solved. case closed.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:54 pmjust to clarify here, although it is out of game related, I did ask her about the ~civ~ thing when I played on her forum. Everyone was calling other "civs" and she was on discord chat with me so I asked. She told me it referred to Civilian/Vanilla Townie. I did not tell her I use civilian as scum, only that in my experience and games I've played, we didn't refer to townies as "civs" so I wasn't sure what they were going on about. She may have misinterpreted my question. I don't hold this against her.
Yes, my line of thinking too. I've been town with Kyle and I've played in a game with scum Kyle. So far, this is scum Kyle. far more laid back and lurkerish than townie Kyle who has nothing to hide. I don't feel comfortable at all with Kyle's activity Day 0+ Day 1. His post after Sloonei prodded him reads as filler "I was waiting to see what LC and Epi had to say..." I mean come on. Townie Kyle would be the driving force behind the discussion. My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pmI don't like this post. In Pirates mafia (the one and only game I've ever seen Kyle play to this point), he was an active force early in the game. He's been more passive so far in this game, so I prodded him for reads. Five minutes later, he came out with this, absent of content but calling for more content from the newcomer. This post is fluff and an excuse to delay participation in the game.
I'd like to see quin show us some goods rather than ask for everyone else to show him the goods all the time.
oh wow, quin makes good reads.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:11 pm On Kyle - Obvious difference in the amount of posts between pirate Mafia and this one, even considering shorter phase lengths and the whole debacle at EoD1. Looks bad at face value, like a baddie who can't insert himself properly but I won't condemn him on that alone. We (or I) don't know where to set the baseline for his civilian game.
His content here isn't really fluff, but his thoughts haven't come together in the thread the way I'd like given the 24 hour day phases. They're not particularly useful to me as they are. I'd like some more elaborated stuff from him soon if he's up to it.
Hiya, Dunya.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 pmthis post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pmI would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 amI don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 amI think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.
Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.
Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.
Also, people get lazy.
Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.
I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"
I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?
Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.
This seems like a strange conclusion to come to based on our experiences together since I was 100% not a driving force behind anything in Pirates.
Also a kind of strange leap? What part of my gameplay is so strongly indie that you're leaning towards me being the alignment that only 5% of players are?My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.
is it strange? A driving force behind "discussion taking place", not behind anything else. You're someone who creates discussion, asks questions, reaches theories and loosely based conclusions even. You're not one to sit back and see how one person responds to another before making an appearance in the thread, sorry.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:27 pmThis seems like a strange conclusion to come to based on our experiences together since I was 100% not a driving force behind anything in Pirates.
Also a kind of strange leap? What part of my gameplay is so strongly indie that you're leaning towards me being the alignment that only 5% of players are?My money would be Kyle is either our third-party rogue or scum right now, but leaning loner rogue at this point.
But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.
Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.
hey Jack!Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:24 pmHiya, Dunya.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:06 pmthis post bugs the hell out of me, it pinged me as a lurker and it still pings me now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pmI would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:01 amI don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 amI think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.
Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.
Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.
Also, people get lazy.
Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.
I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.
Daisy didn't really have an argument or a defense: Sloonei questioned her authenticity based on "hi guys, i'm busy, sorry, will check in later!!!"
I mean, I'm on the fence re: Daisy, but if someone came at me like that there wouldn't be much context to defend would there? Do you want us to tell you we work 8-10 hours a day and received our roles at an unfortunate moment and feel bad about our past performances due to inactivity which may have resulted in a negative affect on the games we played as townies?
Unconvincing my arse, mister High Expectations. Seems like someone is really grasping at straws here.
Specifically what straws? What do you think a baddie Jack is trying to accomplish with this post?
please note I specifically called you out for your day 0 + day 1 contributions. There was a lot happening, a lot of attention and arguments directed at other players. You pretty much sidelined it imho.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.
But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.
Since DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pmThat's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.
Epi says LC is trying to mislynch him quick and dirty. Ergo LC is bad.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:41 pmcan someone explain this post, I don't really understand. Was Jack agreeing with LC or Epi? It seems very strangely worded. He uses "mislynch", when lynching Epi would be ---- lynching him --- until the mod revealed what his alliance was. If he was saying Epi is worthy of a vote, why would he call it a "mislynch"? Am I missing something? Maybe lost in translation?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:39 pmPoint LC.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm
Already done, but you want more words?If his suspicion is genuine, then his accusation that I am being deliberate and calculating in my dealings thus far should be one that he can logically explain.
Uh, you pick two Civs and buddy them so they trust you and don't lynch you. Long game benefit: survival, and more likely to lynch Civs along the way. You intimidate Sloonei out of coming after you. Benefit: One less Civ coming after you; survival; more likely to lynch a Civ along the way.In other words, if I know what I'm doing (i.e., being deliberate in "setting up a long game"), and Long Con is calling me out on that, then he should be able to explain how my actions in the thread so far will benefit my team and me down the road. What is the long game and how am I expecting it to play out?
Let's get this quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way, folks!If he can't answer that, then his suspicion isn't genuine, and he's trying to get a quick and easy Day 1 lynch out of the way.
Epi is perhaps the best dancer on the site. There is nothing "quick and easy" about trying to mislynch him on Day 1. This feels like trying to scare away votes, not a legit attempt to scumhunt, which is exactly what Epi is already accused of doing with Sloonei.
Combined with suspicious nonlynchcandidate declarations, I think this is worthy of a vote.
PS: What is my tell?
Nothing. I'm terrible at reading Daisy.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:47 pmSince DrWilgy is here (hi! *wave)DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:10 pmThat's exactly what Scumdaisy would say.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:05 am @Long Con Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.
Can you please elaborate more on this specifically as I have a mixed read on Daisy so far. I have never played with ScumDaisy before.
In pirates I had 3 major suspects, MP, Quin, and Speedchuck. MP I voted for basically because of LC's case and what was drug out because of it. Quin I was more proactive with but like.... Honestly I didn't really push that discussion either? I just voted along with it and you know how speedchuck went.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:35 pmis it strange? A driving force behind "discussion taking place", not behind anything else. You're someone who creates discussion, asks questions, reaches theories and loosely based conclusions even. You're not one to sit back and see how one person responds to another before making an appearance in the thread, sorry.
also I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.
But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.
he was town in the second gamedunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 pmalso I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.
But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.
I do not. I specifcially gave you a 5min explanation why it sucks
Absolutely false. :0 I had 66 posts in the instant game I was mafia in. You had the highest number of posts at 169.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pmhe was town in the second gamedunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 pmalso I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.
But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.![]()
That was the first instant mafia you were scum in.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:08 pmAbsolutely false. :0 I had 66 posts in the instant game I was mafia in. You had the highest number of posts at 169.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pmhe was town in the second gamedunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 pmalso I'd like to debunk this excuse here by saying his second instant mafia game on the same forum with "Bad Vibes" resulted in him being the third highest poster - 130 posts in a 1day game.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:37 pm I would also like to point out that my activity level in instant mafia iteration 1 was not necessarily all to do with alignment. I didn't want to post because of the Bad Vibes, and Weird Atmosphere.
But even if it were a direct correlation, I had the 2nd lowest # of posts in that game out of 10 players; in this game I'm 4th from the top in a game of 20.![]()
don't be buddying up to me, alright?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 pm Power read of the day: in 4 hours, dunya has nearly quadrupled the post count of her player slot (in combination with sprityo). That's a good start. Even considering the capacity for a replacement to enter a game with pre-structured reads, that is not the kind of introductory pace I typically see from a replacement mafioso. The only counter-example I can recall is Quin in Mad Max.
Had there been a decent search result for "loneliness and cheese" in Google images, you'd be seeing it here.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:24 pmdon't be buddying up to me, alright?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 pm Power read of the day: in 4 hours, dunya has nearly quadrupled the post count of her player slot (in combination with sprityo). That's a good start. Even considering the capacity for a replacement to enter a game with pre-structured reads, that is not the kind of introductory pace I typically see from a replacement mafioso. The only counter-example I can recall is Quin in Mad Max.![]()
the difference is he's rogue here, and doesn't want to cast any big suspect leads or draw any attention on himself all day 1. not a cool look for you, kyle.Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:10 pmI thought I was throwing sticks in Pirate Mafia too, but I was your biggest scum read. What's the difference?