Mountain Mafia [END]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jimmy and Speed are w/w.

Second lynch train came up and no baddies jumped on.

[Epignosis]

Took a final look at vote tally. Epignosis is here. Hasn't weighed in or voted yet. Planning to vote late to have the most control over the lynch?

Why? Is Jack in trouble?

I am tired. And cranky. An eight-hour meeting run by someone who said my students will never learn how to read correctly followed by six hours of additional work has left me bereft of patience and any willingness to sit up much longer. I read the five or however many pages accumulated while I was gone and fought sleep in the process.

I am going to vote quite soon and then go to bed. There will be over an hour after that for other people to dictate the lynch however they wish.

[malakim2099]

Switched to Speed.

Why are all my suspects not named Wilgy voting for Wilgy?

Staying far away from that lynch.

Well, I'm voting for him because I didn't like his logic in voting for me. It struck me as lazy piggybacking without real conviction.

I'm just not entirely certain about speedchuck as a lynch candidate.

(But then, when aren't I on your suspect list? Oh, wait, colors. That's right.)

This supposed to convince me you aren't bad with Speed and Jimmy?

No, it's supposed to be humor.

And actually, I think I'm convinced based on your citation of the Pirates game.

*Switching Speedchuck*

[Kylemii]

Hey what is Speedchuck like when he's civ?

[Epignosis]

3J did not address my gravest concern, which has nothing whatsoever to do with his academics. He voted for Mesk despite calling her good in his exercise, and provided the poorest reason I think I've ever seen him give to justify his vote.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey what is Speedchuck like when he's civ?

On point.
Far less lurky.

[speedchuck]

Hey what is Speedchuck like when he's civ?

On point.
Far less lurky.

The second. Not the first. But thank you.
Also dang, when WAS my last civ game before this?

[Jackofhearts2005]

3J did not address my gravest concern, which has nothing whatsoever to do with his academics. He voted for Mesk despite calling her good in his exercise, and provided the poorest reason I think I've ever seen him give to justify his vote.

Indeed!

Melk posted zero times between Jimmy town reading her and his rousing pushes to lynch her over Dom.

It was never about getting Melk lynched because townie Jimmy didn't want Melk lynched. There is no townie Jimmy here.

[Epignosis]

3J did not address my gravest concern, which has nothing whatsoever to do with his academics. He voted for Mesk despite calling her good in his exercise, and provided the poorest reason I think I've ever seen him give to justify his vote.

Indeed!

Melk posted zero times between Jimmy town reading her and his rousing pushes to lynch her over Dom.

It was never about getting Melk lynched because townie Jimmy didn't want Melk lynched. There is no townie Jimmy here.

Melk not posting doesn't factor into it. Dom didn't post either.

My thing is that I gave an early reason as to why I thought Melk was good (even if I wavered on it later) that I would have expected 3J to have taken into consideration before voting for her. That didn't happen.

[Quin]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

[Kylemii]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] on November 9th you made a post claiming that you thought I was being opportunistic with Mesk and stated that your read on me was dependant on Mesk flipping mafia.

Why haven't you brought up that theory again? Or even mentioned me? You seemed pretty certain.

[Kylemii]

Novemebr 29th

[Epignosis]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

[Quin]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi, they both enter into it.

If Jimmy thought Dom was bad and Mesk was good, how did those opinions flip?

Dom did nothing good. Mesk did nothing bad.

His opinions at EOD to vote Mesk were 100% false.

Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.

[Epignosis]

I don't have the strength. I'm going to bed.

JaggedJimmyJay

[Kylemii]

Kylemii - BAD
Kyle being scum would depend on Mesk/Lasagne being good, I think. But when Kyle pops in and goes after Mesk, I can'thelp but feel that it's opportunistic. And maybe it's my lack of ISOs, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Kyle's style of play thus far. And then most of today's content has been a meta argument with Dunya that nobody else can follow, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also had a light scumread on Kylemii last week. So yeah, Imma call it. Despite what I said in one of these other reads, I'll probably ISO someone before directly agreeing to a lynch, but Kyle is a contender.

Amount of correctness (none) aside don't you think this would be a pretty important theory not to forget about in the case that it's something you truly felt when you wrote it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

You really want that "day 3" where we're at each other's throats don't ya?

[Jackofhearts2005]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

What would possibly change anyone's opinion of two inactives between the GTH and CFD?

[Quin]

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

What would possibly change anyone's opinion of two inactives between the GTH and CFD?

I'm very persuasive.

[Epignosis]

Epi, they both enter into it.

If Jimmy thought Dom was bad and Mesk was good, how did those opinions flip?

Dom did nothing good. Mesk did nothing bad.

His opinions at EOD to vote Mesk were 100% false.

Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.

Oh. I misinterpreted your post. Right then.

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

I'm not.

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

[Epignosis]

I'm having one more beer. If anybody has anything they want out of me, you've got about ten minutes.

[Quin]

Epi, they both enter into it.

If Jimmy thought Dom was bad and Mesk was good, how did those opinions flip?

Dom did nothing good. Mesk did nothing bad.

His opinions at EOD to vote Mesk were 100% false.

Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.

Oh. I misinterpreted your post. Right then.

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

I'm not.

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

Only one had an actual case against them. And it sure wasn't Dom.

[Kylemii]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

[Kylemii]

I'm dropping my vote on speed. he seems worse than Wilgy and more likely to net a mafia

I'll be around and am willing to change if it doesn't seem like a speed lynch is the best thing

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm having one more beer. If anybody has anything they want out of me, you've got about ten minutes.

Speed and Jimmy are blantant scumbuddies and we shouldn't split the votes against them.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?

[Epignosis]

Epi, they both enter into it.

If Jimmy thought Dom was bad and Mesk was good, how did those opinions flip?

Dom did nothing good. Mesk did nothing bad.

His opinions at EOD to vote Mesk were 100% false.

Hopefully this isn't huge as hell and is legible on mobile.

Gun to head reads results

Spoiler: show

Please let me know if I entered your shit in incorrectly.

Oh. I misinterpreted your post. Right then.

i think epignosis is bad again guys

Why?

Why are you treating a GTH read as static?

I'm not.

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

Only one had an actual case against them. And it sure wasn't Dom.

Uh...no.

JJJ said "Dom bad Mesk good."

His words, irrespective of whatever "cases" existed or did not exist.

By the end of the Day, 3J helped lynch Mesk. I see no progression toward this. I'm amazed that we're having this conversation, since the only reason he really gave was in a conversation with you:

why aren't we all lynching Lasagne? For a low poster, she actually looks bad.

What's the worst thing you could say about Lasagne?

She has 24 posts, at least 20 of those say nothing but bolster her presence in the thread.

Mesk514

what about her

I agree with you that the base logic behind a Mesk lynch is similar to that of a Dom lynch, but it's a more substantive option.

So what inspired 3J to call Mesk good and Dom bad? He had the same posts available then as he did when he posted this. Nothing new came into existence.

What is worse for me is that 3J elected to vote Mesk over Dom because...Mesk had more to say? That's shit, and 3J should know it's shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A GTH read exercise does not exist to dictate future votes -- that's the mindset of a mafioso who feels some compulsion to be "consistent". GTH reads provide content for future analysis, real-time perspective on the participants, and stances on every player.

[speedchuck]

Kylemii - BAD
Kyle being scum would depend on Mesk/Lasagne being good, I think. But when Kyle pops in and goes after Mesk, I can'thelp but feel that it's opportunistic. And maybe it's my lack of ISOs, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Kyle's style of play thus far. And then most of today's content has been a meta argument with Dunya that nobody else can follow, and it rubbed me the wrong way. I also had a light scumread on Kylemii last week. So yeah, Imma call it. Despite what I said in one of these other reads, I'll probably ISO someone before directly agreeing to a lynch, but Kyle is a contender.

Amount of correctness (none) aside don't you think this would be a pretty important theory not to forget about in the case that it's something you truly felt when you wrote it?

Maybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

You people know this. You know I'm more consistent and pushy as scum then town. I may have ruined my whole meta with Pirates mafia, and that's rather upsetting. But Pirates was still me being more pushy and consistent that this game.

[speedchuck]

Scum on my wagon, btw. This crap doesn't just happen.

I almost don't feel like helping you people, but there's my 2 cents. Go buy an old timey hard candy.

[Epignosis]

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.

No. Fuck your GTH bullshit if that's how it plays out. What is the point of those things if people aren't supposed to go back and figure out why a person suddenly changed his mind?

"Of no civilian value?" I don't agree with that. Mesk said shit. She even said a thing that gave me a good opinion of her. You didn't bother to take that into consideration, but golly, Quin pointing out how many posts she has is enough to sway your vote?

Dom's posts were "Of no civilian value." He had basically none.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?

Because they all took place 6 days prior to you townreading Mesk.

[Sloonei]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

[Quin]

hi it's gotta be said my case against lasagne was more than 'lasagne had posts'

[Quin]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

I've been playing a game all day so I haven't been paying attention to anything that's gone on in this game in the past 5 hours.

[Epignosis]

A GTH read exercise does not exist to dictate future votes -- that's the mindset of a mafioso who feels some compulsion to be "consistent". GTH reads provide content for future analysis, real-time perspective on the participants, and stances on every player.

I am in the future. And I am analyzing you.

I am looking at what you said. You did a 180 when BOTH your bad and good call became serious lynch candidates.

Are you seriously- seriously- going to tell me that if somebody else called Dom bad, Mesk good, and then at the eleventh hour decided for the flimsiest of reasons to vote Mesk instead of Dom, that you would not be digging into that voter?

[Sloonei]

also i put my vote back on jay. his ISOs don't sway me much. That's exactly what I'd expect him to do as scum. It's exactly what he always says players, town or scum, should do in the face of pressure. I don't feel like his mesk vote came from a place of sincerity and prior to today I got very little sense that he was trying to solve the game in any capacity.

[speedchuck]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

Ah, you've cheered me up.

[Epignosis]

does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

All the ladies gettin murked.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.

No. Fuck your GTH bullshit if that's how it plays out. What is the point of those things if people aren't supposed to go back and figure out why a person suddenly changed his mind?

"Of no civilian value?" I don't agree with that. Mesk said shit. She even said a thing that gave me a good opinion of her. You didn't bother to take that into consideration, but golly, Quin pointing out how many posts she has is enough to sway your vote?

Dom's posts were "Of no civilian value." He had basically none.

You said something in this thread somewhere about someone else taking their perspectives as gospel -- here you go. One moment that you liked does not determine how I vote.

The point of those things is variable by the people who do anything with them. I use them in interactive analyses more than anything else. Other people might do different things with them. They're multi-faceted.

To be consistent between GTH reads and a vote is the easiest thing there is for anyone who has a reason to give a shit. I don't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A GTH read exercise does not exist to dictate future votes -- that's the mindset of a mafioso who feels some compulsion to be "consistent". GTH reads provide content for future analysis, real-time perspective on the participants, and stances on every player.

I am in the future. And I am analyzing you.

I am looking at what you said. You did a 180 when BOTH your bad and good call became serious lynch candidates.

Are you seriously- seriously- going to tell me that if somebody else called Dom bad, Mesk good, and then at the eleventh hour decided for the flimsiest of reasons to vote Mesk instead of Dom, that you would not be digging into that voter?

Your question is loaded, because "flimsy" is the perspective you have injected into it. I may well ask the inconsistency, but it wouldn't be an inspiring cause for a lynch. Civilians have no reason to give a damn about that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?

Because they all took place 6 days prior to you townreading Mesk.

Why are you pretending that multiple separate looks into a post history can yield different perspectives?

[nutella]

What the heck is going on here

[nutella]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] didn't you say you're voting for Jay? It doesn't look like you've voted in the poll

[Epignosis]

What the hell is the point of "GTH reads" when you don't hold someone accountable for lynching someone he said was good over someone he said was bad when both were in hot water and neither had any additional activity?

I don't give two thirds of a shit what my GTH reads were. This is weak bullshit. Are you telling me that I am supposed to be mindful of my GTH reads and vote in accordance with them, that I am obliged to do that?

Fuck that shit. Quin mentioned Mesk. I looked at the Mesk posts which did exist and decided that a large percentage of them were of no civilian value. That's a more substantive reason to lynch someone than I saw for Dom, which was the absence of activity altogether.

No. Fuck your GTH bullshit if that's how it plays out. What is the point of those things if people aren't supposed to go back and figure out why a person suddenly changed his mind?

"Of no civilian value?" I don't agree with that. Mesk said shit. She even said a thing that gave me a good opinion of her. You didn't bother to take that into consideration, but golly, Quin pointing out how many posts she has is enough to sway your vote?

Dom's posts were "Of no civilian value." He had basically none.

You said something in this thread somewhere about someone else taking their perspectives as gospel -- here you go. One moment that you liked does not determine how I vote.

The point of those things is variable by the people who do anything with them. I use them in interactive analyses more than anything else. Other people might do different things with them. They're multi-faceted.

To be consistent between GTH reads and a vote is the easiest thing there is for anyone who has a reason to give a shit. I don't.

I was not demanding that you be consistent. You keep using that word, as if I care that you were inconsistent. I don't. I care more about why you were. Your turnaround against Mesk in favor of Dom came with no substantive reasoning. Rather than challenge people's votes for Mesk (which were weak), you...bought what they were selling?

Sorry- it doesn't add up.

[Sloonei]

It still bugs me when people treat Dom and Mesk as if they were exactly equivalent.

Maybe it was different for you but I've never played with Mesk. To most of us, the lynches were very equivalent.

What do you think of Jimmy reversing his gth reads of Mesk and Dom even though neither posted anything to cause that reaction?

Why are you pretending Mesk didn't have 20some other posts?

Because they all took place 6 days prior to you townreading Mesk.

Why are you pretending that multiple separate looks into a post history can yield different perspectives?

what does this mean?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.