Phenon: Origins Mafia [END]

[Julinook]

I don't understand what you think I did wrong. It was an honest question that nobody has directly answered.

Nothing is necessarily wrong. What's important to me is the first question I asked -- do you find both Alpha and Charlie suspicious for their part in the conversation?

[Celeste]

On this page so far we have spelled CISPRITYOJIABB, which is one of my absolute favorite words

If we play our cards right, we can fill this game with lots of jibs.

[Celeste]

Did I say jib? I meant gibe.

[Chuck]

I don't understand what you think I did wrong. It was an honest question that nobody has directly answered.

Nothing is necessarily wrong. What's important to me is the first question I asked -- do you find both Alpha and Charlie suspicious for their part in the conversation?

Hum.

Charlie more than Alpha, I think. Charlie is hiding behind a veneer of posh righteous language or something. The vibe is bad to me.
Alpha has non-pro town priorities, but this is early day one. He may just be goofing.

[Paprika]

I, for one, would like to see more jabs.

Like this jab, at Alpha: take my vote until you can come up with a non-dick-related reason to vote someone that I like more than my vote for you. You don't have to waver from your excellent dick plan, but you can't hide behind it.

*vote Alpha*

[Spooky Ghost]

I, for one, would like to see more jabs.

Like this jab, at Alpha: take my vote until you can come up with a non-dick-related reason to vote someone that I like more than my vote for you. You don't have to waver from your excellent dick plan, but you can't hide behind it.

*vote Alpha*

I think Charlie is puffing themselves up to try to seem ultra-civ.

I think "let's stop making jokes and only focusing on killing criminals" is an easy feel-good stance to take in a mafia game, and in Charlie it seems forced.

[Spooky Ghost]

I'm curious about the votes for India

[Julinook]

I don't understand what you think I did wrong. It was an honest question that nobody has directly answered.

Nothing is necessarily wrong. What's important to me is the first question I asked -- do you find both Alpha and Charlie suspicious for their part in the conversation?

Hum.

Charlie more than Alpha, I think. Charlie is hiding behind a veneer of posh righteous language or something. The vibe is bad to me.
Alpha has non-pro town priorities, but this is early day one. He may just be goofing.

I've a theory. I want Charlie to answer to your assertion as well as Alpha's before I proceed.

[Chuck]

A potential 'thing' to look at is the way people post. The playstyle. There is one role, the disguiser, that can mimic people when it kills them. This means:
1. We should look out for people who post different after a night cycle.
2. Gimmicks would make getting killed by the disguiser more of a hindrance to the disguiser.
3. On the contrary, if the disguiser uses a gimmick, they can assure that their next host is not too similar to their previous dead host.
4. No-posters are a wild card. What if they suddenly start posting D2 because they died N1? I don't like that, and encourage the mod to ping these people. I don't want to be paranoid about this one.
5. No townread is guaranteed to be a townread tomorrow.
Keep these in mind I think.

[Julinook]

I'm curious about the votes for India

Mine was a prod at a perceived discrepancy of India suspecting both you for doing irrelevant things and Charlie for criticizing you for doing irrelevant things. The language-driven reasoning India has provided is something different and less of a concern.

[Julinook]

Kilo, I hereby accuse you of placing a flier vote on a non-checker-inner for the sake of appearing loose with your vote and not for the sake of doing anything productive with it.

[Julinook]

A potential 'thing' to look at is the way people post. The playstyle. There is one role, the disguiser, that can mimic people when it kills them. This means:
1. We should look out for people who post different after a night cycle.
2. Gimmicks would make getting killed by the disguiser more of a hindrance to the disguiser.
3. On the contrary, if the disguiser uses a gimmick, they can assure that their next host is not too similar to their previous dead host.
4. No-posters are a wild card. What if they suddenly start posting D2 because they died N1? I don't like that, and encourage the mod to ping these people. I don't want to be paranoid about this one.
5. No townread is guaranteed to be a townread tomorrow.
Keep these in mind I think.

Can you expand on what you mean exactly regarding gimmicks in 2 and 3?

[Julinook]

I should say: I know what a gimmick is, but what is the benefit you believe it offers with regard to hindering the disguiser role?

[Spooky Ghost]

A potential 'thing' to look at is the way people post. The playstyle. There is one role, the disguiser, that can mimic people when it kills them. This means:
1. We should look out for people who post different after a night cycle.
2. Gimmicks would make getting killed by the disguiser more of a hindrance to the disguiser.
3. On the contrary, if the disguiser uses a gimmick, they can assure that their next host is not too similar to their previous dead host.
4. No-posters are a wild card. What if they suddenly start posting D2 because they died N1? I don't like that, and encourage the mod to ping these people. I don't want to be paranoid about this one.
5. No townread is guaranteed to be a townread tomorrow.
Keep these in mind I think.

In light of this, is it better to include difficult to reproduce gimmicks or specific character aspects into our posts?

[Spooky Ghost]

Voting Charlie until I see evidence that their hardline crusade is real.

[Chuck]

I should say: I know what a gimmick is, but what is the benefit you believe it offers with regard to hindering the disguiser role?

If the gimmick is annoying, subtle, or restrictive to use, the disguiser may not want to kill the person who has it.
On the contrary, if the gimmick is easy to mimic, then the disguiser could use it as cover when he takes that slot. Nobody would notice the difference.

It's something to think about, but I guess it depends on the personality and playstyle of the disguiser.

linki: Having a personality to your posts that is harder to define would be good, I think. If I am taken, I want people to see the change in tone.
If the gimmick is similarly hard to mimic, and does not hinder town, then yes. Being hard to impersonate would be good, I think. YMMV.

[Chuck]

We need to look for changes in post frequency, sentence structure, typo frequency, verbage, term usage, gimmick usage, formality, and so on.

Disguiser is a scary role. I want them to sweat.

[Celeste]

I switched my vote to a non-poster for now. [mention]Hotel[/mention]

I'm happy to lynch such a player today.

[Spooky Ghost]

I should say: I know what a gimmick is, but what is the benefit you believe it offers with regard to hindering the disguiser role?

If the gimmick is annoying, subtle, or restrictive to use, the disguiser may not want to kill the person who has it.
On the contrary, if the gimmick is easy to mimic, then the disguiser could use it as cover when he takes that slot. Nobody would notice the difference.

It's something to think about, but I guess it depends on the personality and playstyle of the disguiser.

linki: Having a personality to your posts that is harder to define would be good, I think. If I am taken, I want people to see the change in tone.
If the gimmick is similarly hard to mimic, and does not hinder town, then yes. Being hard to impersonate would be good, I think. YMMV.

That's a hard line walk.... Any gimmick that would hinder the disguiser when they take over a sock would also hinder the original player themselves.

Keeping yourself from getting body snatched is all well and good but if your posts are incomprehensible garbage then that's not great either.

Light roleplay seems like a good compromise... If someone were to kill me right now and take over my account they might lean into the dick thing or lean away from it in a noticable way.

The same thing goes for suspicions actually. If a player suddenly drops something that was important to them before that could be a sign that they've been compromised. Non-posters and low posters are especially threatening in that case.

Still thinking out loud, wouldn't we know when the mind theft took place because there'd be a night with no visible death?

[Spooky Ghost]

Posting a short riddle a half-hour before the end of the night and giving the answer after dawn seems like a valid choice... At least that's what I'll probably do.

[Principal Skinner]

Ok lemme just go ahead and say I'mma not do that fancy posh verbiage heavy style. At first I was thinkin I was gonna do a different style every post and just keep changin' up the way I speak, but thinking about it now in light of india's thoughts, that's probably not the right choice here and would just make it easier for the disguiser. So I'll try to settle into a more normal style.

Alpha and India, I kind of get why you voted for me, but I wasn't trying to hide behind the style (well kind of in that I think it's fun to see how long one's sock puppet can last without being obviously identified as one's own style) I was just having a bit of fun with it. Alpha, I don't actually think you're particularly suspicious after all as you are one of the most active so far and your jokeyness is genuine. Thus I'll change my vote, not to a non-poster but to someone who has at least checked in but has not yet participated much. IIRC Golf fits that description.

[Principal Skinner]

Oh jeez this day 1 vote spread is disgusting so far. We've got time though.

[Spooky Ghost]

Ok lemme just go ahead and say I'mma not do that fancy posh verbiage heavy style. At first I was thinkin I was gonna do a different style every post and just keep changin' up the way I speak, but thinking about it now in light of india's thoughts, that's probably not the right choice here and would just make it easier for the disguiser. So I'll try to settle into a more normal style.

Alpha and India, I kind of get why you voted for me, but I wasn't trying to hide behind the style (well kind of in that I think it's fun to see how long one's sock puppet can last without being obviously identified as one's own style) I was just having a bit of fun with it. Alpha, I don't actually think you're particularly suspicious after all as you are one of the most active so far and your jokeyness is genuine. Thus I'll change my vote, not to a non-poster but to someone who has at least checked in but has not yet participated much. IIRC Golf fits that description.

The posting style wasn't important as much as the apparent attempt at overcompensated posturing. Like climbing up on a table and shouting "I hate murderers more than anyone else ever has."

I can also see how roleplaying could paint your posts in a different more serious light than intended. Sticking to one roleplaying personality is probably best, otherwise it's hard to actually gauge levels of sincerity, in addition to the stuff India said.

[Saito]

*Foxtrot*

Hey Kilo, talk to me about what this vote means to you. Share your deepest, most personal feelings about this vote. Let your emotions run free over me. Or just tell me what you'd like for it to accomplish.

This is a vote that is near and dear to my heart. It's meaning is metaphysical.

[Saito]

Kilo, I hereby accuse you of placing a flier vote on a non-checker-inner for the sake of appearing loose with your vote and not for the sake of doing anything productive with it.

This is the only part of the statement I disagree with. To what end are you accusing me of doing this?

Oh jeez this day 1 vote spread is disgusting so far. We've got time though.

Ties!

[Saito]

We're past the deadline?

Golf

Cause chance is for suckers.

[Spooky Ghost]

48 hour day deadline is tomorrow, also time is an illusion.

[Saito]

Okie dokie.

(Consciously choosing to not use my normal vocabulary. As if that was the purpose of this game.)

[Saito]

Now that I think about it, I don't like C voting G very much.

You complain about ties, while turning a X way tie into an X+1 way tie? Why? For everything to dislike about ties, this is worse. For everything to like about ties, this is no better.

C, tell me more about your vote. I have theories.

[Principal Skinner]

Now that I think about it, I don't like C voting G very much.

You complain about ties, while turning a X way tie into an X+1 way tie? Why? For everything to dislike about ties, this is worse. For everything to like about ties, this is no better.

C, tell me more about your vote. I have theories.

I complained about the tie after casting my vote. In light of my response/change of heart towards Alpha, I felt I should change my vote away from Alpha, and I went for Golf because I had remembered seeing them check in but nothing else, and I think that's a better choice for a D1 vote than someone who hadn't checked in at all yet.

[Spooky Ghost]

[mention]Delta[/mention] [mention]Foxtrot[/mention] and [mention]Hotel[/mention] are the only ones who have yet to check in.

[Spooky Ghost]

There is no reveal upon death of any kind

Hey wait so how do we do this? How do we..... anything?

[sprityo]

There is no reveal upon death of any kind

Hey wait so how do we do this? How do we..... anything?

[Spooky Ghost]

I refuse to improve myself for any reason.

[Paprika]

There is no reveal upon death of any kind

Hey wait so how do we do this? How do we..... anything?

Hmm. Good point. I guess the game ends when it ends.

I, for one, would like to see more jabs.

Like this jab, at Alpha: take my vote until you can come up with a non-dick-related reason to vote someone that I like more than my vote for you. You don't have to waver from your excellent dick plan, but you can't hide behind it.

*vote Alpha*

I think Charlie is puffing themselves up to try to seem ultra-civ.

I think "let's stop making jokes and only focusing on killing criminals" is an easy feel-good stance to take in a mafia game, and in Charlie it seems forced.

Ok, well, I'm a letter of my word. That ios better. *vote Charlie*

[Spooky Ghost]

I, for one, would like to see more jabs.

Like this jab, at Alpha: take my vote until you can come up with a non-dick-related reason to vote someone that I like more than my vote for you. You don't have to waver from your excellent dick plan, but you can't hide behind it.

*vote Alpha*

I think Charlie is puffing themselves up to try to seem ultra-civ.

I think "let's stop making jokes and only focusing on killing criminals" is an easy feel-good stance to take in a mafia game, and in Charlie it seems forced.

Ok, well, I'm a letter of my word. That ios better. *vote Charlie*

Are you voting Charlie because I brought up a good point about Charlie and you agree with it? You voted for me with the intention of prodding, what is the reason behind your vote for Charlie?

[Paprika]

I challenged you to give me a better reason to vote someone, and you did.

[Paprika]

I appreciate India's thoughts on the disguiser role. I've never seen anything like it before. If I had time, I'd carefully craft each post in some time-consuming, painstaking way. Hmmm... actually, that is getting my ideas flowing.

[Spooky Ghost]

I challenged you to give me a better reason to vote someone, and you did.

1. You shouldn't be taking my advice on who to vote for, 20% of my posts have been about spelling rude words on the internet.

2. Isn't it a little weird to settle your vote on someone just cus someone else gave you a reason to vote for them? It doesn't fit with the pro-jabbing stance you had earlier.

[Paprika]

I challenged you to give me a better reason to vote someone, and you did.

1. You shouldn't be taking my advice on who to vote for, 20% of my posts have been about spelling rude words on the internet.

I wasn't taking your advice. I was judging the voting reason you gave under pressure against my reason for voting you. My judgement, not your advice.

2. Isn't it a little weird to settle your vote on someone just cus someone else gave you a reason to vote for them? It doesn't fit with the pro-jabbing stance you had earlier.

"Pro-jabbing stance":

On this page so far we have spelled CISPRITYOJIABB, which is one of my absolute favorite words

If we play our cards right, we can fill this game with lots of jibs.

Did I say jib? I meant gibe.

I, for one, would like to see more jabs.

Like this jab...

That's what is known as a "segue", often misspelled "segway".

[Celeste]

What's up town, it's Dr. J,
I brought along my vote and I'm here to stay.
You ask me if I'd want to lynch the letter K?
I tell you "Yesssir! After an and MIA".
Why not instead lynch the letter G?
Or better yet, toss your votes on the AWOL D?
A letter that's the furthest from what our eyes see,
Just like the moon at its apogee.

[Paprika]

What's up town, it's Dr. J,
I brought along my vote and I'm here to stay.
You ask me if I'd want to lynch the letter K?
I tell you "Yesssir! After an and MIA".
Why not instead lynch the letter G?
Or better yet, toss your votes on the AWOL D?
A letter that's the furthest from what our eyes see,
Just like the moon at its apogee.

[Chuck]

The argument I usually see against lynching an inactive player on day one is that we get no information from that. In this game, we get no information anyway. I am not opposed to lynching a mostly inactive player. Though it is frustrating that we have so many.

[Paprika]

We only get information if the Oracle gets nightkilled. As information-starved letters, the clear path is to out the Oracle so that they can be nightkilled. I am the Oracle.

[Chuck]

We could have waited for day two to pull that. Then the oracle would have a choice regarding who to reveal. How unfortunate.

And furthermore, since the oracle is vanilla so long as it lives, I would imagine that the bad guys would avoid killing it. And the good guys would avoid lynching it as well.

So, I don't really want to believe you, [mention]Echo[/mention]. I wonder what your motive is. Bad guy, trying to avoid being lynched? Good guy, trying not to get lynched or killed? Or are you a genuine Oracle, though very short-sighted?

[Celeste]

The argument I usually see against lynching an inactive player on day one is that we get no information from that. In this game, we get no information anyway. I am not opposed to lynching a mostly inactive player. Though it is frustrating that we have so many.

That's merely one point you've brought in defense,
And I must agree that it's not pretense,
We get no information from lynching ladies or gents
That's some crazy shit, well that's my two cents.

[Kent Brockman]

If we have Delta, India, Charlie, and Kilo post in that exact order we can spell out "dick".

I think that should probably be our #1 priority.

This was not the intention

Death of the author, motherfucker.

This mafia game is about spelling out swear words now.

If only Uniform was here.

[Kent Brockman]

Well fuck those guys then eh?

And fuck you kindly too Kilo. What's up babe?

[Celeste]

We could have waited for day two to pull that. Then the oracle would have a choice regarding who to reveal. How unfortunate.

And furthermore, since the oracle is vanilla so long as it lives, I would imagine that the bad guys would avoid killing it. And the good guys would avoid lynching it as well.

So, I don't really want to believe you, @Echo. I wonder what your motive is. Bad guy, trying to avoid being lynched? Good guy, trying not to get lynched or killed? Or are you a genuine Oracle, though very short-sighted?

It's not short-sighted, it's a pretty, solid plan,
What would you have done if you were dealt that hand?
Do you have some thoughts on why he took this stand?
I think it's legit, and he/she's a cool little can.

[Celeste]

Welcome Foxtrot to our game of Phenon,
Mafia's our game and I'm here to rap along,
It's good to see your face so I don't carry on
lynching your ass and and learning your song.