Final Tribal Council [END]

[Long Con]

Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?

[DharmaHelper]

Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?

Yep.

[Long Con]

Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.

Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.

I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."

[Quin]

I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."

I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.

That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.

I just think people are ignoring my game in favour of saying 'he doesn't deserve it' (explicit words said by somebody...) because of what damage my role could have done, rather than what it did.

[Long Con]

Did anyone play the entire game without deceiving anyone?

Yep.

Ok, you didn't deceive me. I just thought your words meant more than they did.

[Quin]

Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.

Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.

I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."

Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.

[Long Con]

Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.

Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.

I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."

Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.

You could have trusted me with knowing your role. A powerful role in the hands of an ally is a good thing.

[Quin]

Also I did not understand how it worked,I thought you could only use it onyourself. So I wanted you to pick it up since you seemed more in danger than I.

Idols? Nah. Actually, when LC started bringing up your name and trying to control my BTSC choices, I considered asking Scotty if I could give you the idol. But without a message to go with it, I was worried it'd be wasted, so I just tried to change his mind.

I didn't see it so much as "controlling you"... more like "I'm glad we're on the same page and I can trust him."

Yeah, I'm more-so saying that from my perspective, because I wanted to go back to SVS and you kept saying 'no, go talk to sawyer and DF'. And as long as you didn't check my role, I thought I could trust you too. But I didn't see a situation where a member of your alliance could go unchecked so I'm a little glad that didn't become a problem.

You could have trusted me with knowing your role. A powerful role in the hands of an ally is a good thing.

Maybe. Before you though, my loyalty was to SVS and Golden. If circumstances worked out that you could be brought into that then I'd have been welcoming of it - but with you wanting to take on sawyer and DF, while also being part of the 'five' , I didn't see that happening. It would have been cool to work with you longer though, you're a cool dude.

[DharmaHelper]

I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."

I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.

That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.

I just think people are ignoring my game in favour of saying 'he doesn't deserve it' (explicit words said by somebody...) because of what damage my role could have done, rather than what it did.

I think part of that from the Jury side is trying to convince other jurors to vote for the person they want to win. It's a good argument. Maybe not a fair or 100% correct one, but it's good.

[Quin]

I think it came down to a misconception. My understanding was "Quin's role shows him where the idols are, and lo and behold, he keeps running into idols and getting people out with them."

I dunno if that's a fair assumption or not. I also wouldn't have kept more than 3 idols in the game if I were hosting (One on each starting tribe, one on the merge) But that's just me.

That's exactly what it did. I won't refute that the role was overpowered. Since Scotty seemed to plant a new idol after one was played, in theory once I got the first one I could have played it, gotten the next one, played it, and so on.

I just think people are ignoring my game in favour of saying 'he doesn't deserve it' (explicit words said by somebody...) because of what damage my role could have done, rather than what it did.

I think part of that from the Jury side is trying to convince other jurors to vote for the person they want to win. It's a good argument. Maybe not a fair or 100% correct one, but it's good.

I hope that's it.

[DharmaHelper]

Oh, I did say I whiffed on my first night of BTSC which was a lie but that wasn't really to deceive anyone. I only had BTSC with Golden that night I think, and we both agreed to not mention it. This was before Mamana agreed on coordinating BTSC.

[Golden]

Someone made a good point in the spectator thread. My role was overpowered, sure. But for 99 percent of the game, nobody ever wanted me out. It's not like I was hiding it. Half the game knew and you let me on my merry way, so in the end, it's mainly on the players heads that I got to the end.

An idol does only save you if you use it. I figured that if there was ever a reason I wanted you out, the trick was just to make you feel safe.

[Golden]

Oh, I did say I whiffed on my first night of BTSC which was a lie but that wasn't really to deceive anyone. I only had BTSC with Golden that night I think, and we both agreed to not mention it. This was before Mamana agreed on coordinating BTSC.

I never told anyone that either, not even opt.

[Marmot]

And just like in the show, Russell makes it to the final 3 and doesn't win

I totally thought every person sitting in the end had a solid chance of staking a case for themselves and could win it.

Other things:
Dat Survivor Auction was a bit of a mess, and the only reason I didn't do character is because chatzy has a reading limit for free rooms and I wanted to make sure I and anyone else could read back as to what was won. Linki was a bitch though, and I apologize.

Oh, and the mechanics of the hunger and thirst level drop: if no one went to the well, everyone would lose thirst. The only other way to gain thirst was reward

Scotty for Survivor 2, know you can get a mod to disable linki in the thread. Its what we do in the burglary threads to avoid that problem cause the game goes so fast.

This is correct. It never occurred to me that linki would be such a problem, but it can be adjusted for games. We do so for burglaries.

[LoRab]

OK....I wrote a post this morning on my phone, but I keep getting an error message (like, all day) so not finally typing it on computer.

[LoRab]

Congrats, Opt!! Well won. I did consider voting you in the end, for what it's worth. You played well and deserved the win.

[LoRab]

And what you said earlier about games like this is totally true--we say horrible things, stab people in the back, savagely murder them, but then are totally friends after. Mafia: make great friends and then murder them in cold blood. Also, I never had any actual hard feelings. Any anything I said in Ponderosa was still in game. As a player, I didn't want you to win because your vote cost me the game. So I was saying what I could do try to sway votes against you (unsuccessfully). As a person, I didn't feel that way at all. And I'm really looking forward to playing games with you!

Scotty: Great game!!!!! I felt bad pointing out errors, but thank you for letting me know I wasn't seeing things that weren't there or misremembering. Especially in the final picture challenge, where I spent way too much time trying to figure out what word that could be before realizing that a letter was off. And thanks for fixing mistakes, letting me also have a shower despite the 14 seconds off that I was since I had no way of knowing that it was more than a minute, and being generally patient with me.

As for INH, yeah--we figured out your role. I don't remember who or when, exactly, but in discussing in BTSC, we figured out that had to be your role, so that's probably how Golden knew. It's how I figured it out. And, yeah--had you told me, I would have felt very different about the whole thing.

@Quin: Another factor is that because of your role, I think people also stayed away from even consider voting for you because there was an assumption you might have more idols. Not a direct result of the role, but a factor in why people left you alone, I think. At least a factor in why I left you alone. I can't speak for anyone else. I do think you totally deserved to be there in the end, though.

[LoRab]

Sorry for the multiple posts....I kept getting errors...so started trying doing line by line...then finally figured out that it just didn't like smilies. So...MP, the site doesn't like smilies right now.

[Tangrowth]

Sorry for the multiple posts....I kept getting errors...so started trying doing line by line...then finally figured out that it just didn't like smilies. So...MP, the site doesn't like smilies right now.

...Strange, to say the least. I'll PM the Tech Team.

[DharmaHelper]

Sorry for the multiple posts....I kept getting errors...so started trying doing line by line...then finally figured out that it just didn't like smilies. So...MP, the site doesn't like smilies right now.

...Strange, to say the least. I'll PM the Tech Team.

[Golden]

I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.

Here's a start

Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.

Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.

Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.

[Quin]

I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.

Here's a start

Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.

Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.

Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.

Happens a lot

[Scotty]

I was talking to my niece about the game and was thinking I would try to put a real life Survivor player against each player who played in this game, but it will take a bit of work.

Here's a start

Opt_Outside. She set herself up as a loyal ally to many, and had the ability to get people onside even after she hurt their allies. She took out the one ally she felt she had to take out in order to win, but otherwise played a remarkably loyal game. No-one ever truly came after her or wanted her out. Opt_Outside is Earl Cole.

Quin. He made big moves, and he was willing to antagonise people to make them. He stayed loyal, but primarily because he believed he could beat everyone. His game will be disputed among the Survivor Mafia fandom for eons, asking whether or not he was robbed. Quin is, quite legitimately, Russell Hantz.

Sorsha. She was at her social best, connecting with the right people at the right times and not letting the other people left at the end realise just how socially well connected she was. She was probably a couple of unlucky breaks away from winning (if Quin had gone down at 5 and she had a clear shot at opt at 4, I think she was odds on favourite). She wasn't able to answer as many questions at final tribal council and lost some votes there. Sorsha is Amanda Kimmel.

I like this a lot.

Sig would be Francesca.

[DharmaHelper]

I would be Negan.

[Golden]

No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.

[insertnamehere]

Golden = Rob C.

DH = Richard Hatch

SVS = Kathy (Marquesas)

Elo = Michelle (Kaoh Rong)

That's all I was able to come up with off the top of my head.

[insertnamehere]

No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.

Sig = Wanda Shirk

[Scotty]

Golden = Rob C.

DH = Richard Hatch

SVS = Kathy (Marquesas)

Elo = Michelle (Kaoh Rong)

That's all I was able to come up with off the top of my head.

You are Sandra...

From this current season.

[Quin]

I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.

[Golden]

No, no, sig is Lucy Huang or possibly Melissa McNulty. But you're jumping too far ahead.

Sig = Wanda Shirk

Wanda was a whole lot louder than sig!

[Opt_Outside]

Thank goodness no one is DEBBIE

[Golden]

Thank goodness no one is DEBBIE

Someone was going to be Debbie...

Debbie 1.0 though.

[Golden]

I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.

Oh, you were fired from your job for playing this game?

[Quin]

I'm actually Denise the lunch lady.

Oh, you were fired from your job for playing this game?

[Ricochet]

I figured this doesn't require a special private message, so I will notify here that the Hall of Fame has been updated with this result. Congratulations again, Opt, you can gaze at your win and rankings here and be sure to stick around for more. We still have a game in sign-ups, for instance.

[Opt_Outside]

Awesome! I need to take a little break and do some things in real life before joining another game but I'll come back soon!

[Golden]

LoRab - LoRab played a sly social game, making the right bonds to make good moves, but also pushing the vote in the direction she wanted to when she could. It took a final 4 fire challenge to take her out. While she played a game that was entirely deserving of the win, it's hard to be certain about whether the jury would have rewarded it with a win. LoRab is Cydney Gillon.

Elohcin - Elohcin played the sweet and loyal game, but she was still willing to make sly moves behind the scenes. Her unassuming manner allowed her to get far further than she probably should have been allowed to get. If her moves had manoeuvred her into the majority, there's every chance she could have ended up winning. Instead, moves fell apart on her at key times, and it led to her falling short. Elohcin is T-Bird Cooper.

Golden - from the viewers perspective (and even the jury's perspective), it appeared people couldn't understand why people weren't getting me out. Inside the game, I relied heavily on social bonds and hoped loyalty would get me to the end, but in the end my closest allies realised they would probably lose to me if they let me get to the end. I am David Wright.

S~V~S - as always, S~V~S came at the game with a different perspective on life than everyone else. She played a loyal game towards those she trusted, but anyone else was fair game and she was willing to open the bomb doors and take people out with calculated precision. In the end, S~V~S lost to a lack of flexibility on a day where a key ally knew an idol play would stop things going the way she wanted. S~V~S is Debbie Wanner (Kaoh Rong version).

[Ricochet]

I'm Poppy.

[S~V~S]

Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?

Should I go cry?

[juliets]

Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?

Should I go cry?

I was just about to ask Golden about this comparison. You in no way remind me of the Debbie I'm seeing on Survivor right now. Golden, is that the Debbie you are comparing SVS to??

[Golden]

Is Debbie bad? Opt said thank god no one is Debbie?

Should I go cry?

Just this week, on her second season, Debbie had the most ridiculous meltdown ever. She isn't coming across the same way this season that she did in her first.

Debbie 1.0 (the one I compared you too) was motherly, endearing and sharp. I liked her so much, so I'm really disappointed with her this season.

[Golden]

In fact, she's the first comparison I've used where she's played twice and the performances look completely different.

Russell and Amanda also both played twice and both lost at final tribal for the same reasons twice. In Debbie's first season, I thought she had a good shot of winning if she got to the end (for a while I felt she had the winners edit). This season, not at all.

[DharmaHelper]

@INH Hatch is a name I tangentially recognize! And he was also in that Rat/Snake video so hey boom I'm a snake Got 'em

[DharmaHelper]

After some light wiki article reading maybe I'm not Hatch

[insertnamehere]

#BRINGBACKSCOTTY

#SURVIVORMAFIA2:AUSTRALIANOUTBACK

[DharmaHelper]

Scotty pls.

[insertnamehere]

tbh, I wouldn't mind if this just became a Survivor forum-game website with occasional mafia every once in a while.

[Quin]

me too i like almost winning

[Marmot]

As long as I'm not cohosting. That shit was hard.