Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Kylemii]

speedchuck he just copied and pasted your rainbow list from earlier, he had me on there as green even though he wants to lynch me.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck he just copied and pasted your rainbow list from earlier, he had me on there as green even though he wants to lynch me.

That raises even more questions, though.

All I saw was myself on top of the list and

[nutella]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

My rainbow

This is very green-heavy.

[Kylemii]

it's um.... it's speedchuck's list

[nutella]

Oh, weird. K.

[nutella]

My point still stands though. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] green is not a creative color

[speedchuck]

Oh, weird. K.

Is it still a problem?

linki: oh okay. MP07 would have a thing or two to teach you about POE. But I can make another rainbow for you if you want

[speedchuck]

My point still stands though. @speedchuck green is not a creative color

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

[FZ.]

I'm going to sleep.
Not sure I like Marmot's vote there, though I admit there are some pages I didn't read. The days are way too short for me

[nutella]

Fair enough, I have been on MP's side in the civ-reads debate in the past. I'm just surprised to see more green than yellow at this point... linki ok dude

[MacDougall]

Speed
Mac
Wilgy
Epi
JJJ
Marmot
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
LC
Kylemii
FZ
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Lorab
Nutella

My rainbow

This is very green-heavy.

Cool.

[MacDougall]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

[nutella]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

[nutella]

But also why did you copy speed's rainbow I don't get the joke

[MacDougall]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

[MacDougall]

But also why did you copy speed's rainbow I don't get the joke

[nutella]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

[LoRab]

I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

[MacDougall]

New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Outcomes - For me personally, a Kylemii lynch is most suitable for a variety of reasons. As far as the players that I am reading negatively he has given me the most the work with, which should lend credibility to the read. Furthermore the removal of a player from group 1 would offer more impact on the overall picture of my reads than someone from either group 2 or group 3.

I would also would be reasonably happy with a Nutella lynch. I wouldn't be upset by the lynch of anybody else aside from FZ and Speedchuck.

[nutella]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

[MacDougall]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

So when I asked the question the reply is "are you even reading the thread" but when he asks it you provide this level of insight? Interesting.

[nutella]

New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Outcomes - For me personally, a Kylemii lynch is most suitable for a variety of reasons. As far as the players that I am reading negatively he has given me the most the work with, which should lend credibility to the read. Furthermore the removal of a player from group 1 would offer more impact on the overall picture of my reads than someone from either group 2 or group 3.

I would also would be reasonably happy with a Nutella lynch. I wouldn't be upset by the lynch of anybody else aside from FZ and Speedchuck.

I like this method of organization.

Several of my reads are pretty much opposite from yours. I'm most curious as to why you are so confident about FZ. I got bad vibes from her.

[MacDougall]

New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Updated, I have moved Dizzy to green because Dizzy is everything. Don't lynch Dizzy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm most curious as to why you are so confident about FZ. I got bad vibes from her.

I would like to hear about that.

[MacDougall]

New tactic.

I am going to divide the player list into 3. Group 1 are the players who have provided me with ample opportunity to formulate a read. Group 2 have given some. Group 3 might as well be absent for the amount of insight I am able to glean. I will do a rainbow list per group.

Group 1 - Give the most credence to these reads.

Speed
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Group 2 - Give some credence to these reads.

FZ
Dyslexicon
Nutella

Group 3 - Pay no mind sunshine.

LC
Lorab
Novaselinenever
Dave
Daisy
Wilgy
Marmot

Outcomes - For me personally, a Kylemii lynch is most suitable for a variety of reasons. As far as the players that I am reading negatively he has given me the most the work with, which should lend credibility to the read. Furthermore the removal of a player from group 1 would offer more impact on the overall picture of my reads than someone from either group 2 or group 3.

I would also would be reasonably happy with a Nutella lynch. I wouldn't be upset by the lynch of anybody else aside from FZ and Speedchuck.

I like this method of organization.

Several of my reads are pretty much opposite from yours. I'm most curious as to why you are so confident about FZ. I got bad vibes from her.

I'd rather not defend her unless she is at risk.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm most curious as to why you are so confident about FZ. I got bad vibes from her.

I would like to hear about that.

If it's unclear, I want to hear about nutella's bad vibes.

[Kylemii]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

[nutella]

Hey nutella is it still suspicious now that you know it's speedchuck's list or were you just pretending you found it suspicious so you can post an emoji at me?

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

So when I asked the question the reply is "are you even reading the thread" but when he asks it you provide this level of insight? Interesting.

It was phrased differently. Your question came right after I had realized it was speed's list and I literally said the words "my point still stands" and asked speed about it. After that discussion, Jay asked whether that meant I suspected speed and not you, and I responded that the original point applied to speedchuck but I might also suspect you for another reason.

[MacDougall]

So is it genuinely in Epignosis's MO as Mafia to go after Jimmy on day 1 and put himself at risk like this?

He is now leading the votes. I don't like it. It looks like a potential mislynch to me. I am getting nam flashbacks to MK.

[MacDougall]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

[MacDougall]

Are you even reading the thread my dude

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

So when I asked the question the reply is "are you even reading the thread" but when he asks it you provide this level of insight? Interesting.

It was phrased differently. Your question came right after I had realized it was speed's list and I literally said the words "my point still stands" and asked speed about it. After that discussion, Jay asked whether that meant I suspected speed and not you, and I responded that the original point applied to speedchuck but I might also suspect you for another reason.

Fair enough but you came at me relatively gung-ho and you are not coming at him with anything that looks like force to me. That to me looks like you weren't genuine about being suspect of me for the list but just trying to frame a case against me for the purpose of looking like you're trying.

If that's the case though, the question would be why you didn't flip your suspicion to speedchuck with the same level of enthusiasm.

[Dyslexicon]

Stuff from page 6 and out.

Speaking of dizzying, I'm voting dizzy until I see a cat pic from her.

Must oblige!



Wasn't I scum in the last game I posted like 100 cat gifs btw?

Let's lynch Kyle and then be overwhelmed by the wifom of his most recent post for the rest of the game.

What in it is WIFOM to you and why?

Had you started that post before or after my gth

I don't know. Didn't read longer than through page 6 before posting. I would make a contribution to the game because I signed up for it though, not because you or anyone else has a gun to your head, if that was what you were thinking. Usually I'm more of a high poster, but time doesn't allow me that this game it seems.

My point still stands though. @speedchuck green is not a creative color

OMG I love you for this reference I always loved you and now I love you more.

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My critique on JJJ:
- I find he holds on to the obvious unreasnable accusation of him and Sloonei necessarily being scum together a bit too long. I read it more like Epig's pressure became more about JJJ than them two together. Also doesn't address the question of sincerity until pretty late.
- I still find his contant reminder of "I pushed the thread, I wouldn't do it as scum" to be bs, and it still totally reminds me of some of my own defenses. He asks if he would do a good job of it, but really it was Kyle doing a good job of reacting overtly, and quite frankly JJJ didn't really do a good job of it by posting a scientist gif clearly indicating that he was just experiementing and slinging poop, pointing at himself there too as in "I'm doing stuff".
Those two would be my points of suspicion.

I remember somewhere along the line to be more inclined to the possibility of both JJJ and Epig being town, but I can't say why other than maybe they're not the most suspicious and I prefer other lynches? I have problems with some of their play. I do like Epig actually explaining his thoughts. I do like him reevaluating Nut so fast. I guess. I do like some of what JJJ is saying too and still liked his early read on Kyle about the anger/respect issue.

@Sloonei - What do you think of JJJ's original reason to read Kyle town?

Can someone tell me about about MacDoug? His playstyle seems rather random to me, but random and aggressive (not a critique of play style just an observation and wanting to get some meta), is this normal?

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I'm way more interested in players like FZ, Robar, the ever random Wilgy and the ever endearing Marmot. And then there are a couple of players that I don't remember posts from or they haven't been game relevant enough to stick.

Vote FZ

I don't find any reason to feel good about their posts. A bit on the side and meh. I guess this may count as a gut read, but it's where I'm at now.

Speed and Nut as town, Kyle as probably town, Slooneiiiiii let me hold on for a bit, Epic could be town, JJJ more null but ugh, don't remember anything else.

[MacDougall]

Let's lynch Kyle and then be overwhelmed by the wifom of his most recent post for the rest of the game.

What in it is WIFOM to you and why?

Had you started that post before or after my gth

I don't know. Didn't read longer than through page 6 before posting. I would make a contribution to the game because I signed up for it though, not because you or anyone else has a gun to your head, if that was what you were thinking. Usually I'm more of a high poster, but time doesn't allow me that this game it seems.

Thanks for the answer. It's WIFOM in the way that if we were to lynch him and then try to analyse that post it's WIFOM.

[Dyslexicon]

Updated, I have moved Dizzy to green because Dizzy is everything. Don't lynch Dizzy.

[MacDougall]

Dizzy I consider FZ one of my stronger town reads and Nutella is quite a mafia read. You seem to have the inverse perspective. Given I have a town read on you I'd like to try to debate these two players with one another if you don't mind.

[speedchuck]

Fair enough but you came at me relatively gung-ho and you are not coming at him with anything that looks like force to me. That to me looks like you weren't genuine about being suspect of me for the list but just trying to frame a case against me for the purpose of looking like you're trying.

If that's the case though, the question would be why you didn't flip your suspicion to speedchuck with the same level of enthusiasm.

. . .

I'm scary?

[Dyslexicon]

Thanks for the answer. It's WIFOM in the way that if we were to lynch him and then try to analyse that post it's WIFOM.

Only if he flips scum though? Do you happen to know anything about that? This is not a rethorical question, so please answer truthfully.

[speedchuck]

Updated, I have moved Dizzy to green because Dizzy is everything. Don't lynch Dizzy.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] move your vote

[nutella]

Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

This post is the main source of my bad FZ vibes. Not sure if I can really put my finger on it but her catch-up summary/thoughts on Epi and Kyle sound less than genuine. To be fair I haven't played with her in a while so I don't have a good meta reference. Regardless, I'm curious why Mac seems to be near 100% confident that she's town.

[MacDougall]

Thanks for the answer. It's WIFOM in the way that if we were to lynch him and then try to analyse that post it's WIFOM.

Only if he flips scum though? Do you happen to know anything about that? This is not a rethorical question, so please answer truthfully.

Well yeah, I was speaking from the perspective of him being scum because I have a scum read on him hence where my vote is.

[MacDougall]

Daisy, Dave, Dizzy, FZ, NVN, I have almost no impression at all of any of these players yet

I'm here, I'm trying to catch up but it's not working for me very well.
I'm on page 8 so things can change. At the moment, I find myself agreeing with JJJ on Epi. Something there feels not genuine. I haven't played for a while, but I think civ Epi is more careful, and what he's doing now, is acting like he's going full force after what he believes. Sloonei said he wouldn't be this blunt on day 1, but if people are going to say that, then Epi has no problem acting just like that.

Kyle is really defending himself and making sense, so I do feel better about him. That being said, I like to trust my initial instincts, and even though no one seemed to agree with me, the post I talked about did feel to me like a frustrated baddie who doesn't like the civvies' powers.

This post is the main source of my bad FZ vibes. Not sure if I can really put my finger on it but her catch-up summary/thoughts on Epi and Kyle sound less than genuine. To be fair I haven't played with her in a while so I don't have a good meta reference. Regardless, I'm curious why Mac seems to be near 100% confident that she's town.

This is the type of post that FZ catches heat for in every single game.

[MacDougall]

I have a fairly compelling reason for thinking she is town but it's probably one of those things that is only compelling to me. I don't want to target paint on her if I am wrong and it is genuinely compelling though...

[speedchuck]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] Thoughts on ties in this game? (ignoring that you're one of the players up for the 'tie')

[DrWilgy]

Why did Nutella get 2 votes?

Did wilgy actually post something with content?

You expect too much of me.

[MacDougall]

I'm not seeing baddie LA. I also feel like there was quite the bandwagon going on earlier against her, although it seems to have moved off.

I'm going to vote Epi for now. I'm not feeling great and may fall asleep on the keyboard, so want to be sure to not forget to vote. He's really the only one I'm noticing who is playing their baddie game.

I hope you are still awake because I'd really enjoy some elaboration on the first sentence here. The second sentence is a rather mundane observation that doesn't really elaborate on the comment. If you are not seeing baddie nutella, then I imagine you would be able to describe what baddie nutella is to us and then show us in what way she is different now, and would appreciate that.

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me

Yeah dude as long as you can tell me why.

[nutella]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

By the way yes. You went from suspish emoji at me when you thought it was my list to questioning his creativity when it's his.

ok "green is not a creative color" was just a silly reference to a youtube video. I felt the same way about the list having that much green regardless of who made it, and I must have glossed over it when speed posted it originally.

Does this mean then that your suspicion on this matter is for speedchuck and not for MacDougall?

Sure, but I have already discussed this with speedchuck and more or less resolved the matter. Meanwhile my question about Mac copying the list still stands.

I am not sure how I feel about either of them at the moment.

So when I asked the question the reply is "are you even reading the thread" but when he asks it you provide this level of insight? Interesting.

It was phrased differently. Your question came right after I had realized it was speed's list and I literally said the words "my point still stands" and asked speed about it. After that discussion, Jay asked whether that meant I suspected speed and not you, and I responded that the original point applied to speedchuck but I might also suspect you for another reason.

Fair enough but you came at me relatively gung-ho and you are not coming at him with anything that looks like force to me. That to me looks like you weren't genuine about being suspect of me for the list but just trying to frame a case against me for the purpose of looking like you're trying.

If that's the case though, the question would be why you didn't flip your suspicion to speedchuck with the same level of enthusiasm.

I don't really understand why you're reading a single emoticon as "coming at you gung-ho" or "enthusiasm." I think maybe you are disproportionately reading into it. It's barely a "suspicion" at all -- yes, I used the suspish emoticon, but.. well I don't want to get into an extended discussion of the contextual implications of emoji semantics, but I'm not sure how you're figuring that I was "coming at you gung-ho" based on a single use of an emoticon and no other basis. I posed the original question to speedchuck, and meanwhile was left to wonder why you copied his list.

Please show me where I demonstrated an enthusiastic suspicion of you.

[Dyslexicon]

Reason for reading Nut as town is basically emotional tone from her posts. She also doesn't seem to get flinched and have views I can follow and rather agree with. To be fair we did (I think both) genuinly misread each other when we were on opposite scum teams, but that is a difference dynamic anyway. She reads genuine to me.

Reason for suspecting FZ is just an apologetic tone and always being on the back burner. I also don't think she vibes very different than from the one game I've played with her when she was scum (but I was also scum with her and knew her alignment then). Content is little and a bit vague.

Btw, LoRab's posts are reading very vague and scummy to me. I think Epig mentioned him having misread her before, but they seem like very "general typical scum" posts afaic. Players with meta on her, what do you think?

@MacDoug, What's your reasoning for Nut and FZ read?

[speedchuck]

@DrWilgy if I followed Mac onto Kylemii would you follow me

Yeah dude as long as you can tell me why.

I'm not sure I can. My gut is all queasy right now. Would you rather lynch Epi?