Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[DrWilgy]

Don't do It! Kill him kill the little paprika!!

[Marmot]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.

Or me, the other guy with three votes.

[Sloonei]

I am not calling kyle's vote dumb in a demeaning way, I'm calling it dumb in the sense that i'm a petty child and don't want to be picked on.

[speedchuck]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

LC Daisy w/w?

[Sloonei]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.

Or me, the other guy with three votes.

You have two votes.

[Sloonei]

Don't do It! Kill him kill the little paprika!!

Do you have a real reason in this game to vote for me right now?

[Marmot]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

But it's not.

It kind of is at the moment. Or Epi.

Or me, the other guy with three votes.

You have two votes.

That is a recent development.

[DrWilgy]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

[Marmot]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

But what if he doesn't flip Civ? We only have one confirmed scum.

[Quin]

can i just say that i am stoked to be modding a game where a character has god damn laser beams coming out of his eyes

seriously if you ever get stressed out, just like

look at it

[DrWilgy]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

But what if he doesn't flip Civ? We only have one confirmed scum.

We can go from there and hunt.

Idk I have a good feeling that either Kyle or Sloonbeard are bad. I'm just not smart enough to decide which.

[MacDougall]

Based on Mac's eventual reasons for lynching me (aside from PoE), I wonder how he'd feel about a Daisy lynch.

Fine

[speedchuck]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

I don't think it confirms any of that.

[Sloonei]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

[Long Con]

Daisy does not look great, given that analysis. Not enough for me to vote for her right now, I'm willing to give her more time to make more posts to analyze.

what if it's between me and her?

I dunno. You could be bad as well.

[MacDougall]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?

No because I didn't find any.

[DrWilgy]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

But you see... I'm never wrong.

[Sloonei]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

But what if he doesn't flip Civ? We only have one confirmed scum.

We can go from there and hunt.

Idk I have a good feeling that either Kyle or Sloonbeard are bad. I'm just not smart enough to decide which.

You've cast a very decisive vote on the matter.

[Sloonei]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

But you see... I'm never wrong.

You're currently wrong.

[MacDougall]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

How?

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii take your dumb vote off me so I don't die.

I'll use my dumb vote as I please, thanks.

It feels odd that so many players followed my vote. Maybe I've never felt this way cus I always vote late on purpose.

I know I said earlier that I've grown up and matured into a brand new Kyle but maybe this is a good time for return of tie meta. B)

[Long Con]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?

No because I didn't find any.

Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.

[Sloonei]

@Kylemii take your dumb vote off me so I don't die.

I'll use my dumb vote as I please, thanks.

It feels odd that so many players followed my vote. Maybe I've never felt this way cus I always vote late on purpose.

I know I said earlier that I've grown up and matured into a brand new Kyle but maybe this is a good time for return of tie meta. B)

Talk about Daisy's vote.

[Epignosis]

I went to argue with my wife and there are three new pages.

I have to catch up.

[Marmot]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

If you're wrong and we keep you alive, that means we have to listen to your faulty cases for days.

That's no good either.

[MacDougall]

That's rich coming from someone who didn't notice that my rainbow was copied from the previous page.

"wow, i can't believe you actually really believed i was telling the truth while i was obviously being purposefully deceptive for a weird joke"

I didn't post the rainbow list to make a joke. I posted the rainbow list to determine the level to which people were paying attention to see if I could analyse any level of collusion.

Has there been any analysis by Mac on collusion levels?

No because I didn't find any.

Looks like you just posted the rainbow list to be a shit-disturber, and made up this collusion test after to try and give it more validity.

Looks like that doesn't it.

[Sloonei]

Buahahahahahaha!!!

Think of the positives sloonbeard. If we lynch you and you flip Civ, that basically hard confirms the Kyle is bad and soft confirms Mac is his teammate :^)))))))

No it doesn't. I'm capable of being wrong. If you lynch me you lose the best town player on the internet and whatever role he has.

If you're wrong and we keep you alive, that means we have to listen to your faulty cases for days.

That's no good either.

If I'm wrong it means I'm town and shouldn't be lynched and my reads will continue to develop along with everyone else's.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis

What is the strategic difference between lynching Sloonei and lynching me?

He doesn't care about the roof.

[Marmot]

I went to argue with my wife and there are three new pages.

I have to catch up.

Help me lynch Epignosis, the man who designed the crappy roof that would collapse no matter how it was built.

[Sloonei]

Epignosis

What is the strategic difference between lynching Sloonei and lynching me?

He doesn't care about the roof.

Even though you "have never known anyone to pour as much effort into a Day 1 case" as I have?

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii take your dumb vote off me so I don't die.

I'll use my dumb vote as I please, thanks.

It feels odd that so many players followed my vote. Maybe I've never felt this way cus I always vote late on purpose.

I know I said earlier that I've grown up and matured into a brand new Kyle but maybe this is a good time for return of tie meta. B)

Talk about Daisy's vote.

It seems in-character for her, I feel like she's been not caught up in a recent game where she came back and trusted me quickly. Maybe mountains? I don't remember her alignment

[Marmot]

She was not mafia in Mountain.

[Marmot]

Wilgy, thoughts on Epignosis?

[Long Con]

@ Epignosis

What is the strategic difference between lynching Sloonei and lynching me?

He doesn't care about the roof.

That's a heavy accusation, why do you say that?

[Sloonei]

Can anyone articulate a reason to lynch me beyond "he doesn't care about the roof"?

[Epignosis]

I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

this implies that i should ever ignore lies being told about me and assume the liar must have good intentions. i disagree with that on principle based on the fact that this is mafia? lies and innaccurate statements should always be called out.

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

On Day 0 Kyle made the statement that "Jay was lying for standard day zero prod purposes." A couple of hours ago he denied this and claimed that he thought Jay was lying because there were "no consistencies" in his argument.

"Civilians never contradict themselves."

[Sloonei]

I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

But you acknowledged in this same breath that you were pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy. If this is your interpretation, why was it so important to refute it first?

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

On Day 0 Kyle made the statement that "Jay was lying for standard day zero prod purposes." A couple of hours ago he denied this and claimed that he thought Jay was lying because there were "no consistencies" in his argument.

"Civilians never contradict themselves."

Kyle appeared to be denying a thing he verifiably did say when I used it in an accusation against him. That's shady.
Tell me what my mafia motivation for any of the things I've done is.

[Sloonei]

I would be a remarkably stupid lynch right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

[Sloonei]

There's a 0% chance the wagon on me is comprised exclusively of civilians.

[Epignosis]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

I called you and Sloonei bad together earlier. Now you are begging for his life using an argument you passively ridiculed.

I'm still three pages behind.

Still CATCHING UP.

[Sloonei]

In case I die, I want to leave this as my legacy Kyle case. These are my main criticisms and no one ever touched them:

Spoiler: show

Let's boil my kyle suspicion down to two posts that are centered around his treatment of me. First:

getting lynched for day 1 bullshit used to be my #1 cause of death.

You described my post as "unhelpful" earlier. why?

because it was unhelpful

all you did was sharpen the focus on something that was already being focused on

is that value added?

Is this a legitimate point of view? was my post "unhelpful" because it "sharpened the focus on something that was already being focused on"? Does that accusation even make sense? what should this say about kyle's read of me in this game? And I'll open up his last question to the floor: Did my one-word case building on Kyle add any value to the thread?

Second:

Kyle, what color would I be on your rainbow?

yellow

I'm not interested in lynching you today, and I think my involvement in the events that i was basing my read on you may have caused a bias in my view.

Give me a gun-to-head read then.

sloonei what is the purpose of this question? I've already outlined my view on you. I thought you looked bad because of the way you climbed on to Jay's thing. I'm acknowledging that my view on you could have been tinted by a bias created by my sometimes overly defensive nature. Nothing's changed in your behavior to swing you back in either direction so that's why you're yellow, a gun to head read on you right now would be arbitrary.

Kyle has not been able to give me a read all game. I like people to take definitive stances. This is a regular angle I pursue. "what is the purpose of this?" is not a question I'd expect an earnestly invested townie kyle to ask me in that moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

[Sloonei]

The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

I called you and Sloonei bad together earlier. Now you are begging for his life using an argument you passively ridiculed.

I'm still three pages behind.

Still CATCHING UP.

[Sloonei]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Obediently followed, awaiting further direction master

[Epignosis]

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

How have I earned this pass while Sloonei has failed to earn it?

Sloonei has done nothing in my estimation except pound Kylemii into the ground. We both played Vocaroo Too! Mafia, and I expressed why I think Kylemii is civilian. Sloonei, to my knowledge, has not commented on Kylemii's tone were he to read his posts in Kylemii's voice.* Furthermore, Sloonei quickly called me good. Should he have done so? And on what basis?

*Granted, I have not read Sloonei's novel on Kylemii, which I will do so shortly.

[Sloonei]

I would still be more comfortable lynching Daisy than Epi, but at this point self-preservation is factoring into my decision making, astoundingly.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

[nutella]

There's a 0% chance the wagon on me is comprised exclusively of civilians.

That's... that's just not true. There is absolutely a nonzero chance of that. Maybe Ephraim can teach you chess and probability.

[Epignosis]

Who is Dave?

He's Dave.

dave's not here right now