Mortal Kombat Mafia [ENDGAME]

[lapluie]

@Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

which other quieter peeps would you like thoughts on?

Lap, Dave, Rabbit, Nova.....Dom.

Excuse me? I've been way more attentive than anyone on that list. I'm not quiet pal.

[lapluie]

where's Glorf? Has he been silenced????

Save it hunni.

[dunya]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

@JaggedJimmyJay

What you think of this guy...... ?

One of my top suspects. I'm going to vote there now.

We should lynch Dunya. I think for now we will have 1 evil player killed if so.

[rabbit8]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

@JaggedJimmyJay

What you think of this guy...... ?

One of my top suspects. I'm going to vote there now.

Is the reasoning the same as low contributing baddie?

If this really is a thing that the baddies have become lackadaisical overall I'm annoyed and will have to give you the benefit of the doubt in accusing me of shit that will be remedied as I get into the game and play.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We should lynch Dunya. I think for now we will have 1 evil player killed if so.

Can you state what makes you concerned about dunya in a couple sentences or so?

[dunya]

"I think we will have 1 evil player...."

I think? YOU THINK? weak words from an otherwise strong lady, huh lapluie.

weak sauce. you are weak sauce. I call you out for the weakness of a case I don't see.

[speedchuck]

You guys are looking in the wrong direction


Please vote dunya if you're town, we really need 1 bad kill already!!! Gosh

Do you have any arguments for Dunya scum other than the ones I've presented? Because I'd probably put Dunya in orange on a rainbow list, not red. I'm not certain.

But you voted for her last night?

Ignore that.

I'm voting Dunya to open conversation. Maybe my vote will stay, and maybe it won't. I don't have the most reliable scumhunting record, especially before we have have any scum flips. What do you see in Dunya.

linki: DAMMIT STOP POSTING

[speedchuck]

I am 1 vote sig, you are 1 vote on sig. We are equally responsible, Mr. JoH, so don't go pointing that long finger anywhere k?

hej hej, don't you think this is a little bit untrue? sig wasn't even a point of conversation before you came in and built a case on him.

I mean it's not like you bounced in and single-handedly lynched him all on your own, and I don't think making a case against him by itself was a bad look, but it seems like you're underselling your involvement in the event a little bit.

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

lapluie is excused for her suspicions because she hasn't played any previous games with me.

But here's some dunya scum meta for you: scum dunya would have latched onto one of the two bandwagons...three votes each, so easy for me. so painless. I could have built cases and made it seem like an informed choice. TSP? Are you kidding me? I could have made a 100 reasons why he was fishy and weird.

You came up with 2 sort-of weak reasons for lynching Sig. If there were 100 reasons to lynch TSP, why not lynch TSP? And what DO you think of TSP?
Walk me through your thought process, please. Sincere question.

[dunya]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

@JaggedJimmyJay

What you think of this guy...... ?

One of my top suspects. I'm going to vote there now.

Is the reasoning the same as low contributing baddie?

If this really is a thing that the baddies have become lackadaisical overall I'm annoyed and will have to give you the benefit of the doubt in accusing me of shit that will be remedied as I get into the game and play.

What I found most disturbing was when Jay asked him for an example of his Town games, and he said "no" because he wants us to judge him solely on his performance and merit in this game.

I don't like tightlipped players. And he's been hush hush secret secret.

[dunya]

I am 1 vote sig, you are 1 vote on sig. We are equally responsible, Mr. JoH, so don't go pointing that long finger anywhere k?

hej hej, don't you think this is a little bit untrue? sig wasn't even a point of conversation before you came in and built a case on him.

I mean it's not like you bounced in and single-handedly lynched him all on your own, and I don't think making a case against him by itself was a bad look, but it seems like you're underselling your involvement in the event a little bit.

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

lapluie is excused for her suspicions because she hasn't played any previous games with me.

But here's some dunya scum meta for you: scum dunya would have latched onto one of the two bandwagons...three votes each, so easy for me. so painless. I could have built cases and made it seem like an informed choice. TSP? Are you kidding me? I could have made a 100 reasons why he was fishy and weird.

You came up with 2 sort-of weak reasons for lynching Sig. If there were 100 reasons to lynch TSP, why not lynch TSP? And what DO you think of TSP?
Walk me through your thought process, please. Sincere question.

I was walking you through a scum dunya's thought process. If I wanted to lynch TSP, I could have faked reasons.

My reasons for sig were genuine, and while he wasn't the only person I suspected, I explained his appearances online and not commenting pinged me and made me decide against switching my vote. I had no idea everyone would latch onto it like they did. I was on him for the better part of the day as a lone voter, till YOU prodded me for a reason and I gave it my best shot. I couldn't have anticipated that reaction.

[speedchuck]

Last question, I promise [mention]dunya[/mention]

How many games have you played with Sig?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

which other quieter peeps would you like thoughts on?

Lap, Dave, Rabbit, Nova.....Dom.

Excuse me? I've been way more attentive than anyone on that list. I'm not quiet pal.

You're right. I don't need to know Kyle's opinion on you.

[lapluie]

"I think we will have 1 evil player...."

I think? YOU THINK? weak words from an otherwise strong lady, huh lapluie.

weak sauce. you are weak sauce. I call you out for the weakness of a case I don't see.

ow dunya why that hurts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is the reasoning the same as low contributing baddie?

If this really is a thing that the baddies have become lackadaisical overall I'm annoyed and will have to give you the benefit of the doubt in accusing me of shit that will be remedied as I get into the game and play.

In his case it's not solely that he's low in contribution, though that doesn't help. Assessing the content that does exist leaves me entirely uninspired. It took a long time for any reads to happen, he refused to share a past civilian game of his when I asked, and even that post you had quoted in your prod to me just now looked bad. "I think she's very sketchy but why do you think she's very sketchy?"

My view that baddies are more proned toward low-activity in games featuring high-activity (there are exceptions to every rule) stems from years of playing across the Internet, so it isn't focused merely on The Syndicate. I wouldn't expect Epignosis or MovingPictures to slack off when they're evil, for example. But as a general trend, it's what I have noticed. The faster the game moves, the more likely the baddies are to fall behind. Civilians don't need those extra 10 seconds or more to review a post and ensure it has that beautiful sparkle -- they just puke up whatever's in their head in real time. It's a philosophy I've lived by since about 2012.

Play on and I'll read on.

[Kylemii]

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

[speedchuck]

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

Well, I mean, they drank it before making it. If it tasted like crap, they shouldn't have swallowed.

[dunya]

Last question, I promise dunya

How many games have you played with Sig?

Pirates, Mountains and this one. I already mentioned that. I town read him in Pirates and Mountains ftr (but you know that since you played those 2). I felt he was sincere there in a way he wasn't here.

[novaselinenever]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

[novaselinenever]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

@JaggedJimmyJay

What you think of this guy...... ?

One of my top suspects. I'm going to vote there now.

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

[dunya]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

I loathe this.

I vomit all over it.

I started the lynch train (OBV DUNYA) then "mumble mumble other reasons...I have notes and keep track of your posts"

Oh yeah?

well gimme those other reasons immediately or prepare to die. I will shoot you right now. Not hesitant.

[lapluie]

Dunya is loaded with weapons

[Sockys2024]

sig gets mislynched a lot. Sometimes he gets correctly lynched too. There's usually some resistance because of the former, and that means a case should be assessed for its understanding of sig the player (assuming the casemaker has had adequate exposure) and its face value content.

I thought the posts dunya highlighted were genuinely bad for sig. If there's one thing he doesn't tend to struggle with, it's making reads when he has the opportunity. In this case he was handing out nulls. The case was wrong, he was a civilian. I don't fault dunya for having been wrong. I don't think she looks worse for having been wrong.

Nobody could even talk sensibly and the votes were all over the place. Generating a mislynch under those circumstances doesn't demand a huge opportunistic case. It's more likely to come from someone who believes in it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sig gets mislynched a lot. Sometimes he gets correctly lynched too. There's usually some resistance because of the former, and that means a case should be assessed for its understanding of sig the player (assuming the casemaker has had adequate exposure) and its face value content.

I thought the posts dunya highlighted were genuinely bad for sig. If there's one thing he doesn't tend to struggle with, it's making reads when he has the opportunity. In this case he was handing out nulls. The case was wrong, he was a civilian. I don't fault dunya for having been wrong. I don't think she looks worse for having been wrong.

Nobody could even talk sensibly and the votes were all over the place. Generating a mislynch under those circumstances doesn't demand a huge opportunistic case. It's more likely to come from someone who believes in it.

Oh hey.

[novaselinenever]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

I loathe this.

I vomit all over it.

I started the lynch train (OBV DUNYA) then "mumble mumble other reasons...I have notes and keep track of your posts"

Oh yeah?

well gimme those other reasons immediately or prepare to die. I will shoot you right now. Not hesitant.

I don't have any obligation to give you my reasons, and this is not the way to go to get them. Be my guest and shoot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

[novaselinenever]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

[dunya]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

I loathe this.

I vomit all over it.

I started the lynch train (OBV DUNYA) then "mumble mumble other reasons...I have notes and keep track of your posts"

Oh yeah?

well gimme those other reasons immediately or prepare to die. I will shoot you right now. Not hesitant.

I don't have any obligation to give you my reasons, and this is not the way to go to get them. Be my guest and shoot.

Actually, if you're town you have an obligation to be helpful.

If you're scum, you have no obligation.

You're not being helpful.

Are you saying you're scum?

[lapluie]

siiigghhhh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

When I've spent the last day playing a different Mafia game, reminders are appreciated.

[lapluie]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

I loathe this.

I vomit all over it.

I started the lynch train (OBV DUNYA) then "mumble mumble other reasons...I have notes and keep track of your posts"

Oh yeah?

well gimme those other reasons immediately or prepare to die. I will shoot you right now. Not hesitant.

I don't have any obligation to give you my reasons, and this is not the way to go to get them. Be my guest and shoot.

Actually, if you're town you have an obligation to be helpful.

If you're scum, you have no obligation.

You're not being helpful.

Are you saying you're scum?

now that I think about it, I see it

[dunya]

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

Well, I mean, they drank it before making it. If it tasted like crap, they shouldn't have swallowed.

that's what she said

[novaselinenever]

Dunya is evil

I find her very sketchy but what makes you certain that she's bad news ?

Hi new guy! Why do you find me sketchy?

Mainly you starting the lynch train last day phase, your reasons for it and some of your other posts. You're one of the few usernames I've been keeping a track off.

I loathe this.

I vomit all over it.

I started the lynch train (OBV DUNYA) then "mumble mumble other reasons...I have notes and keep track of your posts"

Oh yeah?

well gimme those other reasons immediately or prepare to die. I will shoot you right now. Not hesitant.

I don't have any obligation to give you my reasons, and this is not the way to go to get them. Be my guest and shoot.

Actually, if you're town you have an obligation to be helpful.

If you're scum, you have no obligation.

You're not being helpful.

Are you saying you're scum?

I have an obligation to be helpful to other Townies not to scum. I do not consider you a Townie and those empty threats just strengthened my views on you.

[lapluie]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

When I've spent the last day playing a different Mafia game, reminders are appreciated.

Two mafias at once? sounds fun

[novaselinenever]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

When I've spent the last day playing a different Mafia game, reminders are appreciated.

But you've also been active this day phase before he/she reminded you. Are you telling me you started this day phase having forgotten about your top suspect ?

[novaselinenever]

And you've been forgetting about me the whole time ?

[speedchuck]

Last question, I promise dunya

How many games have you played with Sig?

Pirates, Mountains and this one. I already mentioned that. I town read him in Pirates and Mountains ftr (but you know that since you played those 2). I felt he was sincere there in a way he wasn't here.

I don't even remember Sig being in those games, TBH.

I'm still wary, but eh. I'll probably find somewhere to move my vote. There are a lot of people that look worse on that lynch than you.

For the record, this is where I'm coming from: My first game here was Phenon Mafia, a year ago. Sig got lynched on D1, for no reason. (I was a 3P there, a terrifying one)
I remember Sig saying that he usually gets lynched D1.
I've been wary of that ever since. When I was scum in Pirates, I voted for Sig D1, right off the bat, to see if I could go anywhere with it. (I just went back and looked)
Every forum has the guy who gets mislynched early on. On this forum, that person is Sig, in my head. Considering that he survived most of the the time you've played with him, you wouldn't have that perspective, so... yeah.

[novaselinenever]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

When I've spent the last day playing a different Mafia game, reminders are appreciated.

Two mafias at once? sounds fun

I'm currently playing 4 at once lol

[dunya]

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

I do not apologize to people who decide to lynch the same person as I chose. WHAT IS THIS? I am an adult. I am playing with other adults (and scumsimon). Ya'll made your own decisions. I'll apologize to sig, which I have, I sure as heck won't apologize to people who didn't make their own cases and decided mine was good enough.

[dunya]

You've been trying to go after me for a while now. It looks like you've just been waiting for someone to ask you about me before jumping on for a lynch.

rabbit's question did serve as a reminder.

Does your top target needs a reminder ? This doesn't make any sense

When I've spent the last day playing a different Mafia game, reminders are appreciated.

But you've also been active this day phase before he/she reminded you. Are you telling me you started this day phase having forgotten about your top suspect ?

typical. so typical.

[speedchuck]

Voted Simon for now

Wait, are dead people allowed to vote?

[Jackofhearts2005]

L

I came into a game in the worst phase possible and tried to contribute something useful.

If you can't see it that way, I got nothing more to say.

that wasn't really what i asked. i already do see it that way. you came in and made lemonade out of lemons, then 6 other people drank that lemonade and followed a similar recipe for their own lemonade. then someone died, I guess, which doesn't really fit the lemonade metaphor really(?) but it strikes me as weird that your response is "everyone else contributed to the lemonade just as much as me" rather than like.... "sorry, i guess that lemonade recipe wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be, my bad"

[dunya]

Voted Simon for now

Wait, are dead people allowed to vote?

considering MacD's vote is on you, I'll say yes.

[lapluie]

Voted Simon for now

Wait, are dead people allowed to vote?

K mafia.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And you've been forgetting about me the whole time ?

Less defense, more offense please.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]lapluie[/mention]

In your own words, why is Dunya bad?

[mention]dunya[/mention]

Where's that Nutella case?

[speedchuck]

Voted Simon for now

Wait, are dead people allowed to vote?

considering MacD's vote is on you, I'll say yes.

Anybody can click the poll.

[speedchuck]

Voted Simon for now

Wait, are dead people allowed to vote?

K mafia.

[Kylemii]

@Kylemii

Your current thoughts on Simon? Any reads you want to give on quieter people in general would be appreciated.

which other quieter peeps would you like thoughts on?

Lap, Dave, Rabbit, Nova.....Dom.

Lap... Okay first of all, not a low poster. They have 4 pages of posts. Relatively few strong reads during day 0+1... I didn't like they way they avoided contributing in discussion on day 2 because of the curses. There was plenty to do that didn't require being able to read modern posts. I think the chaos stage was pro-mafia in that it would allow people to take a back seat on scum hunting, if a mafia player took that approach I think it might look like that. Though it was also an attitude shared by many of the uncursed. They've posted a lot more since the end of day 2 though a lot of it seems to be defenses. They start giving reads once prompted by dunya. A lot of these posts are fluff, or gentle prods that aren't followed up on. there is some aggro with rabbit, and then some agreement with Speedchuck on dunya... I'm skimming now, the rest of this is stuff pertaining to suspicion against dunya. Overall I'd say mafia read I don't think that lapluie and dunya are w/w. Maybe one but not both.

Dave has posted almost nothing, and what he has posted hasn't been particularly illuminating. He followed Jay's vote onto outworld and that's about it. Judging only by his two posts I'd say very slight bad read? Very slight.

Rabbit..... He does his i-don't-care-about-anything-im-an-evil-rabbit roleplay thing basically all the time and it makes it hard to read him without contextual evidence from other players, GTH I'd read him as a civ for now but with a continued eye on him.

I reviewed novaselinever during chaos day, I found their posts overall to be lacking of reads and opinions. A lot of posts talking about and excusing the lack of reads and opinions. when players make sure to reiterate excuses they've made for not having a lot of town-contribution it always tends to look bad to me. Like as if they came online and thought to themselves "well, I haven't done anything productive today, I better make sure to give a reason for it". maf-lean on nova

Dom has.... posted nothing. If anything points towards him being one alignment or another it's the fact that he hasn't been replaced. If you subscribe to the theory that hosts tend to replace mafia first since 1 missing mafia member has a greater impact on the game than 1 missing civilian, then that might point to Dom being good? That's just speculation though. Dom is a null read.

[dunya]

I notice in America you don't use defence as the noun and defense as the verb, do you?

[dunya]

@dunya

Where's that Nutella case?

eventually, ya, I'm playing around with other ISOs atm.