Mortal Kombat Mafia [ENDGAME]

[lapluie]

I’m fine if you guys lynch me as long as you lynch Nutella after me. I don’t have much more, if you don’t like my case I’m sorry I didn’t present it well. I’ll stop by a few more times but I have a game to run and class until 6.

[lapluie]

I do think that if we assume there is information working against both Simon and nutella, then we're left to judge their content apart from that. I have no reason to give Simon civilian credit. If it wasn't for TSP's flip, I might actually read nutella as a civilian right now. If she is mafia then she has worn the mask very well in this game.

..wait what you read nutella civilian? you're joking right

[lapluie]

Its best to lynch mafia players who are still active now, rather than an inactive player imo.

That's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.

Why do you think nutella kept her vote on tony? She cold have voted for me. But because he was an easy target for everyone she thought ok yeah he's onto me..time to get rid of him

[lapluie]

Its best to lynch mafia players who are still active now, rather than an inactive player imo.

That's a fair argument. I would consider them both to be active at least in that they can send night actions. You'll note that Simon voted late in the last day phase, and for you.

Why do you think nutella kept her vote on tony? She cold have voted for me. But because he was an easy target for everyone she thought ok yeah he's onto me..time to get rid of him

Plus most thought I was bad & mafia wants players o stay in being accused of mafia so nobody suspects them hiding behind that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I do think that if we assume there is information working against both Simon and nutella, then we're left to judge their content apart from that. I have no reason to give Simon civilian credit. If it wasn't for TSP's flip, I might actually read nutella as a civilian right now. If she is mafia then she has worn the mask very well in this game.

..wait what you read nutella civilian? you're joking right

I would if it wasn't for the likelihood that TSP tracked her into a kill target. That is enough to make her a valid suspect and at this point I wouldn't object to lynching her. I'm just not sure she's immensely better a choice than Simon who I think can be cased in essentially the same way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85

[lapluie]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85

Hmmmmm


But


Say theyr both bad yeah?

If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think we're fine. I think there's a very solid chance that all three of these people are mafia, and that's 60% of the team:

Simon, nutella, Marmot

[speedchuck]

If we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh

You, LC, and Glorfindel keep saying this sort of thing. In Glorf's case I might agree, but what's with everyone else? Why do you think you'll be killed?

[Marmot]

@Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

My attention was drawn elsewhere, but I'll be on later today.

[Long Con]

@Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

I will begrudgingly get on board with a nutella lynch, but I really fear that following lapluie's advice again is going to turn out like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.

If nutella flips Civ, I'll be voting lapluie forever.

[speedchuck]

@Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

I will begrudgingly get on board with a nutella lynch, but I really fear that following lapluie's advice again is going to turn out like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.

If nutella flips Civ, I'll be voting lapluie forever.

. . .

If Glorf hadn't townfirmed you... I'd lynch you for this.

[DrWilgy]

I don't hate a Hazlenut lynch.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This game is going to go down in history as the game where Jack failed to lynch a scummer three days in a row even though the scummer did not defend himself and pretty much everyone agreed he was mafia, isn't it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

I will begrudgingly get on board with a nutella lynch, but I really fear that following lapluie's advice again is going to turn out like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.

If nutella flips Civ, I'll be voting lapluie forever.

How bout we not risk the game on a player that you don't even trust's word?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I figure I'll put it out there that I'm only here until a few hours before EoD. If you've got any beef with, speak now or forever hold your peace.

I'd vote either nutella or Simon. I'd say that I'm leaning more towards nutella because TSP seemed confident in his scum read, plus his flip. Quite likely it's a claim based on information.

I 100% agree and maintain that a lynch on Simon is preferable to a lynch on Nutella, just as it was preferable to a lynch on Dunya.

You guys don't actually think Simon's is bad, youre voting him off because he's inactive, there's no real evidence that he's mafia, the real evidence is in nutella.
Tony was very adamant in nutella being bad.
But I feel like I'm talking to myself now & nobody's listening so ...rip....

Where on Earth are you getting this idea?

[Jackofhearts2005]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85

Hmmmmm


But


Say theyr both bad yeah?

If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh

Why would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.

The more you push Nutella, the more I worry you're bad and Nutella is good.

If you're good, worry about Nutella tomorrow. Trust Tony, who said Simon was more likely to be bad than Nutella.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can understand the nutella votes. Tony's flip implicates her significantly. Okay.

I do think however that anyone who does not want to lynch Simon or otherwise prefers some other option should say why they feel that way. I can understand Jack's frustration on the grounds that as far as I can tell, nobody actually trusts Simon. So why not lynch him? State it clearly. The silence on the matter is bizarre.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I can understand the nutella votes. Tony's flip implicates her significantly. Okay.

I do think however that anyone who does not want to lynch Simon or otherwise prefers some other option should say why they feel that way. I can understand Jack's frustration on the grounds that as far as I can tell, nobody actually trusts Simon. So why not lynch him? State it clearly. The silence on the matter is bizarre.

Especially from Lap, who didn't answer why she thought Simon was town when asked directly.

[Long Con]

I'd lynch Simon as well.

[lapluie]

@Glorfindel
@Marmot
@Made
@Long Con

Come back to kick butt thx

Sup fam!

I will begrudgingly get on board with a nutella lynch, but I really fear that following lapluie's advice again is going to turn out like Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football.

If nutella flips Civ, I'll be voting lapluie forever.

Shes not gonna flip town, I trust tony on this. His source of infomatiom on nutella was very positive about it, & we should follow him as he was jade

[lapluie]

I can understand the nutella votes. Tony's flip implicates her significantly. Okay.

I do think however that anyone who does not want to lynch Simon or otherwise prefers some other option should say why they feel that way. I can understand Jack's frustration on the grounds that as far as I can tell, nobody actually trusts Simon. So why not lynch him? State it clearly. The silence on the matter is bizarre.

I don't think we should right now.. ya he may be bad but for me i dont wanna risk the chances like how i did with dunya's lynch, the proof for nutella is clear, not so clear with simom imo. I think we should wait & find out after nutella, i figured simon is just bad at playing the game until you showed me tonys percentage on him & nutella, took that into consideration, BUT tonys death wanted nutella lynched after him so that's why I'm holding onto that right now, if he was to say the same about simon then ya itd make most sense. however it's better if we lynch an active player over an inactive imo.

[lapluie]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85

Hmmmmm


But


Say theyr both bad yeah?

If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh

Why would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.

The more you push Nutella, the more I worry you're bad and Nutella is good.

If you're good, worry about Nutella tomorrow. Trust Tony, who said Simon was more likely to be bad than Nutella.

why would I want to lynch bad if I'm bad? I'm following what tony has said that we should lynch Nutella after he dies & that's what the goal is here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

[Quin]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85

Hmmmmm


But


Say theyr both bad yeah?

If.we lynch simon today I'll be dead by tomorrow tbh

Why would you be dead by tomorrow. You're being townread by like half the game. Glor, LC and Quin are being townread by everybody and I should be being townread by everybody.

The more you push Nutella, the more I worry you're bad and Nutella is good.

If you're good, worry about Nutella tomorrow. Trust Tony, who said Simon was more likely to be bad than Nutella.

He said this?

[Quin]

he said that in literally the same post as I just quoted

But what do you say about his legacy posts? They're all about nutella, not Simon.

[lapluie]

Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?

Good question.

Probably Nutella.

^^^^^^^

[lapluie]

So with the removals Simon’s chance of being mafia goes way up but he’s also unlynchable today. Same with JJJ (who’s in murkier waters).

Percentage rainbow, just so you guys can see my thoughts:
Simon 95
Nutella 85
JJJ 60
Quin 35
Eloh 35
Wilgy 30
Dave / Dom 29
Nova 25
Lap 25
Made 20
Speedchuck 15
Long Con 15
Kyle 10
JOH 10
Marmot 10
Glor 1

@linki
Dunya and Simon in lynch contention, Simon saved by a weird third train and too many people voting Dunya.

His high percentage is because simon saved the train im assuming, but it doesn't say he's as certain hes bad like how he was certain with nutella somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this with more information from tony.

[Elohcin]

Hang on a second..why are we voting simon again?

I think MacDougall's theory that Jack was bussing Simon was merited enough that one of two scenarios is true:

~ Jack knows something about Simon via honest means, and it's more conclusive than a blocked kill.

~ Jack is bussing Simon.

If the former is true, that's a good lead on Simon being mafia. If the latter is true, Simon is definitely mafia.

And if the latter is correct, then Jack is bad too? Just clarifying your thoughts.

Hang on a second..why are we voting simon again?

Cause the goal of the game is to lynch the mafia before the kill all the townies.

I think this is pretty hilarious. And I know I haven't been around, but I agree that Simon could be bad. It's a little bit gut, a little bit lack of play, but mostly it was his random vote. He voted for lap, and said it was random. Why would he voting randomly at this point? I know he is 10, but still.

There is no case against simon, I for one am certain simon isn't bad, there's no reason to even lynch him. He's inactive!!!!

=/

I don't like when people throw around words like "certain" in mafia. This makes me think you are bad.

And, your push for nutella and your over the top trust in tony's word terrify me a bit.

I understand why nutella is under the eye and I can probably get on board with her case on another day. Today, I vote Simon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would imagine Tony's perceptions looked something like this:

Simon -- has done absolutely nothing in this game to warrant civilian credit, and it looks like there might be dirt on him. Strong lead.

nutella -- I tracked her into a kill. There's some potential for shenanigans, but it's still a strong lead.

He'd probably support either of these lynches.

[lapluie]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And if the latter is correct, then Jack is bad too? Just clarifying your thoughts.

Yes. If.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

Can't Simon and nutella both be mafia?

[Elohcin]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

dunya says so because she is afraid of me

[Elohcin]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

Can't Simon and nutella both be mafia?

oo, yes, good question.

[speedchuck]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

I want to hear more about this.

[speedchuck]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

Can't Simon and nutella both be mafia?

oo, yes, good question.

Do you have an answer for it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

I want to hear more about this.

There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.

Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.

The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Indeed, if Simon were to flip civilian that would make me think two or five times about lapluie given TMI potential.

[Elohcin]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

Can't Simon and nutella both be mafia?

oo, yes, good question.

Do you have an answer for it?

Of course! The answer is yes. Nothing is *certain* unless you are mafia. Then, the only thing you can *know* is who is and is not your teammate.

[Elohcin]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

I want to hear more about this.

There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.

Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.

The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.

but nothing is certain. You are not in Lap's brain. She could be Simon's teammate and defending the hel out of him because he has a VERY useful role.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

but nothing is certain. You are not in Lap's brain. She could be Simon's teammate and defending the hel out of him because he has a VERY useful role.

No role is so great that it's worth exposing 40% of a mafia team to save.

You're right that nothing is certain, but I'm going to follow my reason on this one.

[Elohcin]

and you have every right to do so

I just remember when I hosted once, the players were doing such off the wall stuff. On top of that, due to game mechanics, powers were not going through and players acted as if they had...it was so weird to watch it from behind the scenes and I will never look at mafia the same again. You cannot expect people to think and play like you think they will.

[lapluie]

Lol ofcourse Elohcin votes simon, omy to save her mafia partner. I always knew it & dunya did say to keep an eye on her

Can't Simon and nutella both be mafia?

oo, yes, good question.

Do you have an answer for it?

Of course! The answer is yes. Nothing is *certain* unless you are mafia. Then, the only thing you can *know* is who is and is not your teammate.

wrong
Tony was VERY certain nutella is bad & he flipped jade.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]lapluie[/mention], can you explain why you feel Simon is a civilian?

[speedchuck]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

I want to hear more about this.

There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.

Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.

The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.

There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It wierds me out.
But I suppose I agree with you. Lapluie's defense is something I don't understand, but it's too brazen to even be WIFOM.

[lapluie]

One thing that is blindingly clear:

If Simon is mafia then lapluie is not.

I want to hear more about this.

There is no good reason for a mafia member to defend Simon this hard if he is a teammate. It's nonsense. One is forced to invoke the most intense of WIFOM to turn that into a reality, and I think that'd be quite weak.

Mafia members are more likely to be eager to bus their single-digit posting teammate than protect him at all costs. Civilians tend to be clueless about this kind of thing and will by their very nature surround the defender post-mafia-flip with foam dribbling from their mouths waiting to pounce. Simons teammates know that.

The only alternative to consider would be: this is LyLo right now, nutella is a civilian, and lapluie is going for the win. I find that highly unlikely given the numbers.

but nothing is certain. You are not in Lap's brain. She could be Simon's teammate and defending the hel out of him because he has a VERY useful role.

I was all for lynching simon a few days ago tbh, there's no reason for me not to at the time? For now I'm afraid if we lynch simon it'll be a mishap that happend to dunya & she flipped civilian, I don't wanna take those chances.

It's very clear how nutella is bad idk how you're not seeing it, youre voting simon bcos hes inactive, you don't actually have reasons to vote him Elohcin you're just following the train.

You also purposely killed dunya when the votes were tied with other 2 lynches & asked who to vote- you chose dunya ofc for no reaaon other than voting for the most votes tallied. Im onto you.

[lapluie]

@lapluie, can you explain why you feel Simon is a civilian?

He's always been on the chopping bloc because he's just looking sus to eveyone for inactivity, somebody tell me one post hes made that he's made it seem like he's mafia???.is there any???
Maybe he is just bad at playing the game & doesn't care for what his role is so he chooses to not to participate much. The dude has only 9 posts.
From what tony has provided us on his posts hes not 100% certain about simon like he is for nutella. Correct me if I'm wrong. The percentage chart indicated how Simon followed a train lynch but I don't remember who it was.
Tony insisted we lynch Nutella after his death, he didn't say simon at the time so that alone makes me think tony was unsure about simon. & we dnot wanna repeat a lynch with little to no information & end up losing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

lapluie, can you explain why you feel Simon is a civilian?

He's always been on the chopping bloc because he's just looking sus to eveyone for inactivity, somebody tell me one post hes made that he's made it seem like he's mafia???.is there any???
Maybe he is just bad at playing the game & doesn't care for what his role is so he chooses to not to participate much. The dude has only 9 posts.
From what tony has provided us on his posts hes not 100% certain about simon like he is for nutella. Correct me if I'm wrong. The percentage chart indicated how Simon followed a train lynch but I don't remember who it was.
Tony insisted we lynch Nutella after his death, he didn't say simon at the time so that alone makes me think tony was unsure about simon. & we dnot wanna repeat a lynch with little to no information & end up losing.

I think it's fair to believe that Tony wanted nutella lynched more than Simon despite his percentages. I'd even agree with that.

Would you agree, however, that the "case against Simon" is not that "he is inactive"? Nobody is saying that. Where have you seen that case being made? I'd be interested in seeing that if it exists, because that'd smell like bussing to me. Instead, I want you to consider that Jack has information on Simon just like Tony had information on nutella. Jack cannot confirm or deny this because the rules don't allow him to, but that's where we are. There's no reason for him to push the lynch this hard and this long if he doesn't know something. It's not about Simon being inactive. It's about Simon being exposed either by role information or by his teammate's desire to bus him. Isn't that a logical conclusion?

[lapluie]

Hmmmm you're really good at that jimmy idk how you do it but you're good