[ENDGAME] - The Fellowship of the Ring Mafia (LoTR I)

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Sloonei]

Thinking is hard.

how's it going?

[Long Con]

I'm not Maphier. But I don't have time to play right now, lynch is 24 hours away and I don't work tomorrow until the evening.

[Sloonei]

Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[rabbit8]

Thinking is hard.

how's it going?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[img]Mac's responses to your questions feel inauthentic. I don't believe Kyle didn't know about Glor saying he wouldn't claim town. His push felt fake and the backpedal is crap. He absolutely was pushing Glor because he wouldn't say he was town so being like "Oh you didn't need to claim" is yuck.[/inh]

EBWOP

[Sloonei]

My biggest concern coming out of that glorfindel saga is, like Jack said, both kyle and nutella saying that Glorf didn't need to claim town but instead could have just said that he won't address his alignment. I can see that as a backpedaling justification from either one of them.

[Kylemii]

Kyle and Mac are bad.

explanation requested

[Sloonei]

Thinking is hard.

how's it going?

I would like to play a game of mafia with you. I'm a person who likes to ask a million questions and get people to share as much as possible. You seem to be the anti-Sloonei.

[Kylemii]

My biggest concern coming out of that glorfindel saga is, like Jack said, both kyle and nutella saying that Glorf didn't need to claim town but instead could have just said that he won't address his alignment. I can see that as a backpedaling justification from either one of them.

I was clear about the fact that my issue with glorf wasn't about him not saying "I am town" but about the fact that he was letting you do all the talking for him and avoiding explaining himself.

[nutella]

Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[img]Mac's responses to your questions feel inauthentic. I don't believe Kyle didn't know about Glor saying he wouldn't claim town. His push felt fake and the backpedal is crap. He absolutely was pushing Glor because he wouldn't say he was town so being like "Oh you didn't need to claim" is yuck.[/inh]

EBWOP

so...why am I not as suspicious as Kyle considering I said pretty much the same things?

My biggest concern coming out of that glorfindel saga is, like Jack said, both kyle and nutella saying that Glorf didn't need to claim town but instead could have just said that he won't address his alignment. I can see that as a backpedaling justification from either one of them.

Nah I was legitimately disappointed that Glorf broke the [I don't want to say promise?? plan?] that he set for himself. I think he should have kept up with it. that's what I mean when I tell him good luck next time you're bad. It's a damn shame that he got too frustrated to do what he said he would do, and I really do wish that he had simply confirmed what you told us instead of glossing past that and just straight up claiming town.

[rabbit8]

nutella you've been rather verbose this game.

[nutella]

nutella you've been rather verbose this game.

Hell yeah.

[nutella]

Second highest poster... I was actually ahead of Sloonei for first place for a while at the beginning, but he's slipped too far in the lead now.

[Kylemii]

Can someone give me a meta read on rabbit please and thank you?

Rabbit is like if you mixed JaggedJimmyJay and DrWilgy together in an alchemy lab, then turned in the result to your highschool alchemy teacher for homework, but you ended up getting a C- because he bit one of the teachers' fingers off.

[rabbit8]

Thinking is hard.

how's it going?

I would like to play a game of mafia with you. I'm a person who likes to ask a million questions and get people to share as much as possible. You seem to be the anti-Sloonei.

Yes, the game is afoot. Let us play, play. To the death!!!!


Yo bad, bro?

[Sloonei]

Second highest poster... I was actually ahead of Sloonei for first place for a while at the beginning, but he's slipped too far in the lead now.

I held myself back on Day 0 and have been trying to focus on finishing my school applications all day today, but this still happened. I have a problem.

[Sloonei]

Thinking is hard.

how's it going?

I would like to play a game of mafia with you. I'm a person who likes to ask a million questions and get people to share as much as possible. You seem to be the anti-Sloonei.

Yes, the game is afoot. Let us play, play. To the death!!!!


Yo bad, bro?

I'm not. How bout you?

[Sloonei]

Can someone give me a meta read on rabbit please and thank you?

Rabbit is like if you mixed JaggedJimmyJay and DrWilgy together in an alchemy lab, then turned in the result to your highschool alchemy teacher for homework, but you ended up getting a C- because he bit one of the teachers' fingers off.

This is beautiful, but more importantly, do they really have high school alchemy classes in kyleland?

[rabbit8]

Can someone give me a meta read on rabbit please and thank you?

Rabbit is like if you mixed JaggedJimmyJay and DrWilgy together in an alchemy lab, then turned in the result to your highschool alchemy teacher for homework, but you ended up getting a C- because he bit one of the teachers' fingers off.

Yeah, its a fun party prop. Pull it out at all the alchemy reunions at Kyleland High.

[Kylemii]

Emoji at me about kyle and mac, jack.

[img]Mac's responses to your questions feel inauthentic. I don't believe Kyle didn't know about Glor saying he wouldn't claim town. His push felt fake and the backpedal is crap. He absolutely was pushing Glor because he wouldn't say he was town so being like "Oh you didn't need to claim" is yuck.[/inh]

EBWOP

hey jack, most of what you're saying here is wrong.

i didn't remember glorfindel saying he wouldn't claim before until sloonei brought it up, i don't remember every single thing that everyone says. my initial push on glorf was for the reason of testing to see if he would do the thing he always does, which he hadn't done yet. But after Sloonei brought up his post from the previous game, and started defending glorfindel, (while glorfindel wasn't defending himself) my reason for questioning changed.

I wanted to know why Sloonei was explaining glorfindel but glorfindel wasn't explaining glorfindel.

[Kylemii]

Can someone give me a meta read on rabbit please and thank you?

Rabbit is like if you mixed JaggedJimmyJay and DrWilgy together in an alchemy lab, then turned in the result to your highschool alchemy teacher for homework, but you ended up getting a C- because he bit one of the teachers' fingers off.

Yeah, its a fun party prop. Pull it out at all the alchemy reunions at Kyleland High.

see what I mean??

[rabbit8]

[Glorfindel]

...good luck next time you're mafia

Well, as I’ve already said, there’s no chance that will ever happen again so you don’t have to worry about that.

[MacDougall]

...good luck next time you're mafia

Well, as I’ve already said, there’s no chance that will ever happen again so you don’t have to worry about that.

Mate, you're playing a game called Mafia about murdering people. I don't get the I'll never lie schtick anyway.

[timmer]

Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

[timmer]

And for those whoo may not know me, or don't remember, I have a truly poor memory, so I can't really help/retain info about anyone's norm, so you'll have to forgive if I ask a lot of questions about things that maybe many of you know intuitively!

[Jackofhearts2005]

And for those whoo may not know me, or don't remember, I have a truly poor memory, so I can't really help/retain info about anyone's norm, so you'll have to forgive if I ask a lot of questions about things that maybe many of you know intuitively!

Let's go.

Let's have some reeeeeeeads.

[Sloonei]

Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

My self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.

But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?

[Sloonei]

i've been writing the opening paragraph to a personal statement all day and i've now become inebriated to boot, so i don't know how to form sentences anymore. i need to stop.

[DrWilgy]

How bout we lynch Rico?

why not ambray?

Wasn't serious. Still after Amby.

[timmer]

Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

My self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.

But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?

Yeah, I wonder if he's feeling a bit like I am? (Am i right that this is rabbit's first foray back in a long time?) I remember rabbit being someone who could post a lot or a little but no specific feature that would help you with his current output.

As for the rest, not really. I'm mostly just observing for now. I've always been pretty useless on Day 1, but once I get my hands on lynch polls I can correlate data wit the best of them.

I'd say the votes on LC seemed a bit easy, but then so did LC's own vote, it's typical Day 1 stuff. I'll mostly be watching for people making too much of a mountain out of a day 1 molehill, that's generally what constitutes my early pings.

[Sloonei]

How bout we lynch Rico?

why not ambray?

Wasn't serious. Still after Amby.

Do you have a secondary suspect?

[DrWilgy]

How bout we lynch Rico?

why not ambray?

Wasn't serious. Still after Amby.

Do you have a secondary suspect?

Nah.

[Epignosis]

If nutella and Long Con are both bad, I am going to laugh from the heights of Caradhras.

[MacDougall]

Spent line twenty minutes trying to make a rainbow list on mobile with quotes and smilies and my daughter closed the damn tab.

Fuck it.

Kyle and Mac are bad.

LC and Nutella are meh.

INH, Sloonei, Epi are good.

And of course Glor is good.

No actually I'm civ so I presume the rest of your reads are wrong too

[MacDougall]

Inauthentic replies to Sloonei's questions hey. Gonna have to do better than that if you want to build a mislynch wagon on me that lazy civs and some Maphiers can dive on. Try quoting a post and saying this one and that should do it.

[Long Con]

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

U bad

That was my initial take on it.

so you suspect me? why?

Your post is rife with hip jargon that I don't feel is natural for you. That's not how you usually talk, is it? It just pinged me as possibly forced and fake.

What's this? Is this moderate agreement to my accusation of nutella? It definitely wasn't calling it bullshit. The Noble smiley is a strong positive. Are you one of those baddies that prod a case from the sidelines?

[Glorfindel]

i've been writing the opening paragraph to a personal statement all day and i've now become inebriated to boot, so i don't know how to form sentences anymore. i need to stop.

No, you need to step it up, Master Sloonei. I should think you being inebriiated could be most entertaining (no disrespect intended...).

[Glorfindel]

...good luck next time you're mafia

Well, as I’ve already said, there’s no chance that will ever happen again so you don’t have to worry about that.

Mate, you're playing a game called Mafia about murdering people. I don't get the I'll never lie schtick anyway.

I know, Mac. I am an anachronism - a veritable ‘fish up a tree’. It has finally dawned on me that it is ridiculous for me to be involved in these games.

[timmer]

Is Maphiers the new scum?

[Glorfindel]

Very well. I’m putting an end to this nonsense once and for all. If no one could’ve guessed, THIS game means a great deal to me (perhaps more than any other that I’ve played here at the Syndicate) and I am not going to let those disingenuous amongst you use my reputation and meta against me here. Yes, I AM TOWN! You can take that to the bank or wherever else you damn well want to - I’m not going to blissfully be mislynched by the forces of #*^%ing Mordor! I’d said it before, and this game has proven it to me now - my continued presence in these games has become truly untenable. Accordingly, please don’t expect that I’ll be returning for The Two Towers (as much as that pains me). I’ll have more to say on this matter once this game is ended.

In the meantime, I’m not buying Nutella’s twisted logic for voting me so here... have one of your own!

I don't think I'm alone in saying that it's a treat to get to play with you, so I hope this sentiment is not permanent. I think we can all find a place where your personal convictions do not interfere with gameplay with more experience.

That said, tell me more about nutella. What parts of her logic seem twisted to you?

You are most kind, Master Sloonei and I wish that what you said were true (about finding a place where my personal convictions don’t interfere with gameplay, etc.) but I think we all know that place doesn’t exist and only ever could after a great deal of disappointment and frustration both on my part and that of the other members of any Town Team I ended up on between now and this side of eternity.

As for Nutella:

1. Post #36

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Hot take ambray and sloonei are scum mates gg

Tell me more

you're asking all these questions to the point of sounding fake

idk the chance that you're actually teammates is probably pretty low, especially with all this interaction right after the game thread opens on day 0, but still I could see it as a possibility based on this behavior. and making a bold assertion like this should stimulate the discussion. hence the hot take

In this post, she accuses you (Master Sloonei) of sounding fake for doing precisely what you should do to drive the game forward and usually do (from my observation of your playstyle) - asking search questions. She then dismisses the probability of an ‘ingame partnership’ and then claims that her raising its likelihood should be sufficient reason to stimulate discussion... on what, precisely? Please tell me, because I have no idea Sounds like posting for the sake of posting to me.

What's wrong with posting for the sake of posting/for the sake of stimulating discussion? That's literally what D1 is all about. Gotta stir the pot. Gotta make takes while they're hot. And I recognize that Sloonei is doing what he usually does but I felt like he was doing it a little too much/asking questions that sounded forced or had already been more or less answered.
I’m confused by what it is you are asking here, my friend. Posting to stimulate discussion is indeed a worthy goal. ‘Stirring the pot’ is an entirely valid and necessary strategy in rooting out our Mafia foes. Yet this is the very basis upon which you suspect Master Sloonei - akin to criticising a detective for asking a felon too many questions? You believe his questions were forced? Can you provide an example? And still, you’ve avoided the point that I made in respect to your original post. Your Post #36 made specific reference to an ‘ingame partnership’ between Sloonei and Ambray. In the same post, you state that the probability is ‘pretty low’ but based on ‘the behaviour’ you considered your ‘bold accusation’ sufficient grounds to stimulate discussion.

Now let’s just make a comparison here. Master Sloonei is asking open, probing questions of other players. You are throwing tinfoil around with gay abandon. Who do you think comes off looking worse in that comparison?

2. Post #72

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i also don't think we should be so relaxed about roleclaiming. doing it helps the mafia narrow down who frodo is, and the role list also has additional civ roles "intended for mafia claims" so i don't think roleclaiming should even necessarily be a reason to trust someone.

You're bad too btw.

2 scum found.

why do you think Kyle is bad? He's expressing a very civ-minded strategic thought in this post

Kinda firm defense of Kyle here whom she will later sheep his vote onto me.

Not a defense of Kyle's alignment. A defense of the thought process of one post he made. Coincidence that I agreed with him on you later.
I agree with Kyle’s original proposition here as well, my friend but your response didn’t stop there, did it? Your response to Mac was “why do you think Kyle is bad?” You only then used the reference to his ‘strategic thought’ to justify your defence. Your sheeping his vote on me, a coincidence? By my calculation, your vote on me was placed almost an hour after Kyle’s. In my book, that suggests a certain degree of premeditation and forethought.

3. Post #140

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pressure vote on Glorfindel

Oh shit good point. He hasn't said "I am town" yet.

Flippant. Cheap. Weak.

No. Natural expression of what I thought at the time was a great catch.

4. Post #173

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@nutella I'm not sure I follow your thought process RE: Glorfindel. On the one hand you say his behavior is NAI, but in the same sentence you add that it gives you a bad feeling. What's the bad feeling is his behavior doesn't indicate anything about his alignment?

My thought process was
-> He hasn't stated that he's a civ! He's avoiding the topic, and knowing Glorfindel, that means he's bad!
-> He's asked directly, and responds "Are you serious?" He's soooo obviously bad
-> Oh, apparently he said previously that he would avoid the question either way in future games so as to not make his alignment unfairly obvious
-> Still, he could be taking advantage of that (i.e. drew a mafia card and is lucky he had this excuse ready) and his blatant refusal to answer the question gives me a bad feeling
-> Still again, he could be a civ legitimately standing behind his plan not to answer (after all, he is nothing if not a man of his word.)

And cycling back and forth between those last two steps. Still, I think it would have been prudent of him to point us in the direction of his previous avowal, since it was in a different game and only you made the connection, to ensure that we understood his motive for not answering the question, rather than just saying "are you serious?"

Again, the summation of all that Nutella has put in this post is WIFOM and semantics - the kind that I suspect a Mafia would employ to blow smoke around what they might consider an easy mis-lynch. I mightn’t feel so strongly at this point had I limited interaction with her since I’ve been on this site but she’s been round long enough to know the score.

Again, my actual thought process. Completely organic. And I always waffle. Not intentionally "blowing smoke," just trying to figure out where I stood. I don't want to mislynch you, and after gaining perspective from what Sloonei pointed out I reconsidered my stance because the evidence up until then caused me to believe you were most likely bad. I changed my mind. Happens.

Your about-face in voting for me looks to me more like a child that got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, but that’s my interpretation.

[Sloonei]

I went looking for why rabbit's vote is on LC.

Did a read through. Not much stands out mostly becauseIve lost touch with peoples usual m.o. Not a fan of Long Cons posts but the attention he's getting feels a bit easy. Holding my vote for now.

That's why I like lynching LC. He's easy, ask BR.....

Is this normal day 1 rabbit behavior? He's provided next to nothing of substance in all of his posts so far, and this looks like a super easy bandwagon vote. I'm not sure a maphier (word of the game) would be so careless, but rabbit is not a player i'm familiar with.

[rabbit8]

Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

My self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.

But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?

Or......

Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.

How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.

My self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.

But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?

Yeah, I wonder if he's feeling a bit like I am? (Am i right that this is rabbit's first foray back in a long time?) I remember rabbit being someone who could post a lot or a little but no specific feature that would help you with his current output.

As for the rest, not really. I'm mostly just observing for now. I've always been pretty useless on Day 1, but once I get my hands on lynch polls I can correlate data wit the best of them.

I'd say the votes on LC seemed a bit easy, but then so did LC's own vote, it's typical Day 1 stuff. I'll mostly be watching for people making too much of a mountain out of a day 1 molehill, that's generally what constitutes my early pings.

No no, I was in Mortal Kombat for a day and night then I reread everything then those fucks Nked me. So.... Go get lynched again, Sloo?

[Sloonei]

Moved to [mention]DFaraday[/mention]. I only remember seeing his dwarven beard make one post so far. This is supposed to be his game! I want reads and a mine's worth of content.

[rabbit8]

I went looking for why rabbit's vote is on LC.

Did a read through. Not much stands out mostly becauseIve lost touch with peoples usual m.o. Not a fan of Long Cons posts but the attention he's getting feels a bit easy. Holding my vote for now.

That's why I like lynching LC. He's easy, ask BR.....

Is this normal day 1 rabbit behavior? He's provided next to nothing of substance in all of his posts so far, and this looks like a super easy bandwagon vote. I'm not sure a maphier (word of the game) would be so careless, but rabbit is not a player i'm familiar with.

Normal Rabbit is normal. What bandwagon? Are you going with the fact that I voted for LC? Go with that then, and assume my vote can't be changed.......

[Sloonei]

I was nightkilled, actually, mr rabbit! Got any reads yet?

[Sloonei]

I went looking for why rabbit's vote is on LC.

Did a read through. Not much stands out mostly becauseIve lost touch with peoples usual m.o. Not a fan of Long Cons posts but the attention he's getting feels a bit easy. Holding my vote for now.

That's why I like lynching LC. He's easy, ask BR.....

Is this normal day 1 rabbit behavior? He's provided next to nothing of substance in all of his posts so far, and this looks like a super easy bandwagon vote. I'm not sure a maphier (word of the game) would be so careless, but rabbit is not a player i'm familiar with.

Normal Rabbit is normal. What bandwagon? Are you going with the fact that I voted for LC? Go with that then, and assume my vote can't be changed.......

Why is your vote on LC?

[rabbit8]

I was nightkilled, actually, mr rabbit! Got any reads yet?

lol, yeah I meant that one, I ment go get Nked again, I think you a civvie for now, But yeah, haha.

My votes not on LC WTF you rambling about?