Buffy the Vampire Slayer: At the Hellmouth (End Game)

#1001

Oy. Been without wifi more of the day than I've been with wifi and been swamped with teenagers. Haven't had time to read back on people or consider Ambray or anything new. Voting novas because I still suspect him and because I don't want to miss the vote--or make a vote this isn't fully informed.

#1002

Ambray wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:14 pm
In regards to Nova - half of my suspicion was about him sounding scripted and considering Illy wasn't around yesterday it kind've puts him in the clear in terms of receiving coaching - if we are to assume there is only 1 mafia left.
However, his vote on Illy before switching it still super strange and what makes me doubt my doubt. Though they addressed this, I would like to hear one more time from them their point of view about what happened.

Although, rereading the day's posts, this part of this post pings me. First of all, we know that Illy didn't post during the last lynch--not that she wasn't around at all. Baddies have been known to not post in order to avoid sounding worse or hoping that someone won't vote for someone around. Also, I don't thnk we can assume only 1 mafia, especially not knowing if Spike was recruited or not. Also, BTSC usually continues after the grave--I know that was true in the last game here and LC and I were on the same team--and I know that LC has had that before. So, entirely possible that someone was still in BTSC. You seem to be negating your previous suspicion, which seriously raises my eyebrow.

#1003

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:05 pm I reread sig and feel really good about him. He could be indie I guess but I'm pretty confident he's not vamp.

That's how I've felt for a while

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1004

sig and lapluie did not vote

#1005

That doesn't sound like the Town Lapluie I just played with.

#1006

Shit sorry i missed the vote, I got caught up in making a study guide for a class and lost track of time.

#1007

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:42 am That doesn't sound like the Town Lapluie I just played with.

yeah ok, now that mk is over you'll have my full attention...

after I reread page 1 through 20

#1008

Sorry fell asleep and LC is gone to Beaver camp with the youngest. Lynch post soon.

#1009

Ambray has been lynched. She was the Mayor

It is now Night 4 you have 23 hours to get your PM's in

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1010

ok, not a vamp but a decent result... although I guess she probably saved speed so maybe wasn't totally anti-town

#1011

Could be worse.

#1012

Could be better though. Did Ambray save speedchuck? Didn't she vote for him?

@ sig and lapluie: Who would you have voted for?

#1013

Not horrible, but not what I expected. That would be a hard role to play, having to vote for people you didn't suspect if you wanted to save them, while making sure your reasoning was weak enough not to gain support.

#1014

I think a neutral who can recruit a civ is a good result. Also going on the character on the show who was definitely not at all positive.

#1015

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 am I think a neutral who can recruit a civ is a good result. Also going on the character on the show who was definitely not at all positive.

OK, I find I was mixing up Dawn and the Mayor power wise, based on what Tranq posted, I did not realize a lynch pardon role had to vote for the person they pardoned?

I looked it up, and this is the Mayors role:

Mayor Richard Wilkins III - The Mayor of Sunnydale, he has the ability to pardon one lynching. *secrets*

What do you mean, that role can recruit a civ? Am I missing something?

#1016

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:37 am ok, not a vamp but a decent result... although I guess she probably saved speed so maybe wasn't totally anti-town

Not what happened AFAIK

#1017

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:16 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 am I think a neutral who can recruit a civ is a good result. Also going on the character on the show who was definitely not at all positive.
OK, I find I was mixing up Dawn and the Mayor power wise, based on what Tranq posted, I did not realize a lynch pardon role had to vote for the person they pardoned?

I looked it up, and this is the Mayors role:
Mayor Richard Wilkins III - The Mayor of Sunnydale, he has the ability to pardon one lynching. *secrets*
What do you mean, that role can recruit a civ? Am I missing something?

Read faith’s Role.

#1018

OK, forgot about that, and they both have secrets, so the Mayors win con may not have been just the generic indy win con,

All Independents need to survive, and to have Glory dead to win.

.

#1019

That wasn't the best lynch results, but also not the worst.

Who are we thinking for last 1/2 mafia members at this point.

#1020

I think we may be looking at 1 baddie left (odds are a dead vampire in Marmot/rabbit and assuming no Spike recruit), and Glory.
I'm still feeling nova slipped with that quick Illy vote, and no idea on Glory minus a couple of players i think may be certain civ roles.

#1021

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:48 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:42 am That doesn't sound like the Town Lapluie I just played with.
yeah ok, now that mk is over you'll have my full attention...

after I reread page 1 through 20

By my calculations there is scum in this post.

#1022

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:12 pm
lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:48 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:42 am That doesn't sound like the Town Lapluie I just played with.
yeah ok, now that mk is over you'll have my full attention...

after I reread page 1 through 20
By my calculations there is scum in this post.

Definitely not me, just got near done reading past pages & noticed how nova kept insisting that lorab is intended to repeatedly "tunnel inactive & low posters" prying reactions & such which isn't the case, I don't find that scummy at all. it's purpose for that is just soley to get more interactions with game players & have more to say from their game views, rather being left out & im afraid to say nova had been defensive over this matter which looks bad from the other games I've plaged with him.

#1023

Sorry. ..not lorab.. I meant Tranq **

#1024

Ruuuun and snatch, ruuuun and snatch. The lambs are caught in the blackberry patch.

#1025

Just getting started on the night post, I'll try to have it in under 20 minutes.

#1026

Howl

As the clouds parted around the full moon, Oz raised his snout to the sky and howled. His nose wriggled as he cuahgft his prey's scent on the wind, and a quick twitch of his powerful hind legs sent him off into the night.

* * * * *

"He's out there somewhere, Buff... I think I can get this tracking spell working, but you have to promise you won't hurt him." Willow's eyes were desperate as she pleaded for her friend.

"I honestly think that we should worry about him hurting me, Will," replied Buffy, tightening her bootlace. "But ok, I'll just smack him with a rolled-up newspaper."

Willow performed the spell - werewolf Oz was down by the lake, and the Scooby Gang hurried there.

"Wait here, you guys," said Buffy. "Let me get a handle on where he is - Willow, do that enchantment thingy that masks our scent. We don't need him deciding we're his new prey."

She crept along the wooded shoreline, ears perked for a hint of the beast. It wasn't long before a long growl from just ahead caught her attention, and she tensed up, ready. When novaselinenever burst from the shadows, Buffy reacted instantly, kicking her square in the chest, hard.

Right away, she realized her mistake. "Ohmygod I'm so sorry!" she cried, but before she could even react more, the werewolf was upon nova, tearing her to shreds. Buffy, stunned, staggered backward a few steps - she hadn't quite been prepared for the sheer ferocity of Oz's attack. By the time she had got her wits about her, he had sent a vicious snarl in her direction, and bounded off into the unfathable night.

* * * * *

Why would you walk alone at night in Sunnydale, nutella? I mean, come on.

nutella has been killed by the Vampires.

novaselinenever has been killed by Oz and by Buffy.

It is now Day 5. You have 24 hours to lynch somebody.

#1027

"cuahgft"

#1028

Oh wow.

Nova right now:

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1029

crap

#1030

Rip nut. The host post makes nova sound civ too. Hmmm.

#1031

Not sure how i feel that post. Let's hope nova was bad but i guess Buffy's reaction hints otherwise.

What are everyone's thoughts right now?
sig and lapluie: Who would you have voted for yesterday?
How does MacDougall usually play?

I may have to do some rereading at work today as i'll be afk later tonight.

#1032

Similarly not sure how to feel about the night post. I can see where there could be a hint that novas was possibly good, although I didn't initially read it that way. At any rate, we know he wasn't the last vampire (because we weren't told the vamps are eliminated) and we know he wasn't Glory (killed by Oz and not just Buffy). So, we're still in the same situation.

I'm up way too late and my brain is fried, so not sure about my thoughts. I have a few inklings of ideas I want to look back on (whatever happened to the sig suspicion, why do I feel an ongoing vague ping from lapluie, am I overthinking what triggered Oz, did Illy find Spike, and what do I think about everyone else)...

I'm busy with teenagers for much of the day--should be home (and back to a normalish schedule) around dinner time. On intermitently until then.

#1033

Did nutella leave any clues behind that might explain why she was killed? I was expecting speedchuck or myself to be killed.

#1034

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:19 am Did nutella leave any clues behind that might explain why she was killed? I was expecting speedchuck or myself to be killed.

Yourself? Pray tell why?

And Nutella was pretty much a confirmed civ; she made a bold claim and no one disputed it, although a reread might help, although rereading Juliets did not help me much.

At first I thought Nova was a weird choice with so much suspish, but then I realized how long it has been since I played a game with a civ killer. Although the post makes it look like Buffy killed Nova by mistake? I am surprised he was looking to be civ; after Lap, his partner from MC, threw some shade at him, I was looking forward to hearing what Lap had to say about him.

I will be off for a few hours, but should be around most of today.

#1035

amused to be sitting in the Hart Senate building as we play a Buffy game. I know wolfram and Hart is technically angel, but still. I’m easily amused.

#1036

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:19 am Did nutella leave any clues behind that might explain why she was killed? I was expecting speedchuck or myself to be killed.
Yourself? Pray tell why?

Maybe he said that to make it look like he isn't able to kill? I don't know what to think of MacDougall. He pretty much started the Ambray lynch based on nothing except "it's obvious".
lapluie has missed 3 out of 4 votes. Hard to get a read on someone if they don't vote.

I could see myself voting one of these two, maybe.
Where is everyone??? I'll be gone for the next couple of hours, then i have to vote when i get back. We need more discussion.

#1037

Hrrng. I'm out of townfirms.

Time to review.

#1038

Howl II: Lunatic Fringe

The full moon had long since dipped below the horizon, and the sun had risen hours ago, yet the wolf was still dominant. He couldn't get the scent of her blood out of his nose, and the human side, which normally would have reasserted control, was plagued with grief and rage, more than willing to let the wolf stay in the driver's seat. Much easier than dealing with the twisting pain as a human being.

Oz howled loudly, causing the happy pedestrians along the main street to drop their smiles and look around in fear. Mothers clutched their babies close, children began to cry, and everyone looked around in wary anticipation. Surely the demons that were rumoured to plague the town at night wouldn't be so brazen as to show themselves by day!

That assumption was shattered as the werewolf burst from the trees in a nearby park, rushing forward, slashing and tearing at any unfortunate soul who got in his way. lapluie saw the beast coming, and tried t run, but her fear froze her feet to the ground. It was only seconds before the vicious lycanthrope was upon her, lopping her head from her body with one terrifying swipe of his giant claws.

Sunnydale police were on the scene, just seconds too late as usual, and opened fire on the creature. Oz yelped and sped away into the woods, still howling in pain, rage, and most of all, grief.

lapluie has been killed by Oz.

#1039

Looking at the Illy lynch, from pages 17-19 I think, I came to the following conclusions:

Vampires:

Macdougall is not a vamp. He suggested lynching Illy first, and pushed it. He's been pushing lots of things, inviting all sorts of nightkills by his manner and hintclaims.

LoRab is not a vamp. She gave the first reasons to lynch Illy. Neither her nor Mac wavered, and the lynch may not have happened without them.

SVS could be a vamp, with how reluctant her Illy vote was, but I don't think so. I think that was a player thing, hoping that we could at least hear a defense from a participating player.

Sig gains a few points for his one post being "if Illy is not scum, lynch so and so." Sounded like a genuine consideration of a train he wasn't here for. Could be faked I guess.

Tranq could be a vamp, but it is unlikely. He mostly focused on a counter wagon in case Illy was the scum that deflects votes. On the one hand, if we all vote for the scum, it doesn't matter if other votes are displaced. On the other hand, Tranq never campaigned for Illy voters to drop and move to Nova. He never tried to usurp that lynch, and since Illy was Druscilla, scum knew a counter wagon that doesn't surpass the Illy wagon would not help. I'm iffy on this, but I see town motive easier than scum.

Lapluie just didn't do anything at all. No participation.

I'm voting for Lapluie for last vampire. If Lap is Angelus, then I'm hoping we can unify here.

linki: WTF

#1040

Dammit now what

#1041

Last vampire is Sig, SVS, or Tranq.

Glory is probably not LoRab.

Someone who knows the lore, tell me what conditions could have caused Oz-mageddon

#1042

I reread Sig. I'm willing to believe that he's not a vampire. His Illy-lynch analysis is spot on, and I see genuine hunting.

I'm also completely willing to believe that he is Glory. I may be tunneling and convincing myself of this. Hear me out.

Glory can only be nightkilled by Buffy, every other night. Buffy is a prime target, and of last night, still alive. Unless Lapluie was Buffy. Glory should be looking for Buffy, and if Buffy has lived this long, this suggests that perhaps Glory isn't hunting that hard for Buffy.

Instead, Glory may be taking a different tactic: Look as town as you can, help town so that they won't seek you or lynch you. Sig was the only one suspecting Juliets on N3, and Juliets got killed by Glory that night. Sig has given a great town effort this game.

I am tinfoiling Sig as Glory really, really hard right now.

And SVS as the last scum, as Sig's Illy analysis and my Illy analysis pointed to.

We need thoughts (and votes) in here. The game is almost at MYLO.

#1043

BRB, gonna tunnel SVS and convince myself that she's bad.

I mean, uh, ISO her.

#1044

Wow ISOing is not helping. Whoever the (hopefully) last scum is, they have played an excellent game. I'm voting SVS for now, citing how she handled the Illy lynch as reason.

#1045

I wish I was Glory, but I'm not. In theory lap could be Glory it says attempts to kill her at night.

I think that's something to shelve for the time, with Lap being dead I think the last mafia member is either SVS or lorab, I'm leaning away from Lorab since she was more active on the Illy push.

Mac went for illy to earlier to be mafia
Chuck is a solid town read.
Tranq does have odd pings and he hasn't posted much, but I'm not reading him as mafia.

That means the last mafia member would be SVS, but if it is her I'd face palm so hard since I've had nagging doubts about her for awhile, but never really acted on them.

#1046

The main issue I have with lorab is that she was explaining alot at first and didn't have much content, but later in the game she started posting more related stuff

#1047

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:00 pm I think that's something to shelve for the time, with Lap being dead I think the last mafia member is either SVS or lorab, I'm leaning away from Lorab since she was more active on the Illy push.

If Lorab was scum then Illy was a hella bus outta nowhere

#1048

I am getting somewhat annoyed at people suspecting other people for cultural things.

It was the norm at my home forum not to lynch people who were unable to defend back in the day.

Why are you so sure Mac is not bad? It felt to me like he was pushing Ambray to intentionally NOT vote for Illy so he could set her up for the next days lynch.

At this point I am annoyed that people are barely playing, then come in and make half assed deductions for half assed reasons, I am going to vote for Mac. Reread him during the Illy lynch and then the next day. Bam, he dumps a vote on Ambray pretty much as soon as the poll was available. I dropped a big ass role hint, Chuck, and if you didn't get it just lynch me.

*Voting Mac*

#1049

Although I could be talked out of it for a LoRab vote, she has been blending and sliding, sliding and blending.

#1050

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:32 pm speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.
Sorry sir but you made me the wrong colour.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:24 pmBlue

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:41 pm Yo Mac. Who should we lynch?

linkis: I'll engage you real quick, LoRab. Hold on.
Let's lynch illyria. I smell scum.

You wanna play, SVS? Let's freaking play then. It's not my job to refrain from annoying you. I'm working off of the Illy lynch as best I can. To use your blunt, crass terminology, I'm working full-assed for the first time this game.

Gimme a case, or do something with the above.

linki: Did you read any of my posts as to why I don't suspect Lorab or Mac?