Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[dunya]

*shrug* sorry you're on vacation and feel like you're getting dogpiled, but we're asking you to contribute. You're tunneling on the person who called you scummy, had a weird GTH excuse for me being your only ping, and haven't followed up on any of those.

Seriously, just updating your reads on the other suspects you had would be helpful.

I would do that if I was mafia anyway so why would that change how anyone feels about me? I am better at playing scum than town.

I also haven't tunneled you. That's rich. Hahahaha. Wow. Much irony.

Because it's harder to manufacture a fake case than a real case? Because if you're actually town you should *want* to get your suspicions out there for others to play with?

I assume you're saying I'm the one who's tunneled you. But I've got other scumreads and, in fact, my vote isn't even on you.

I do want to. I really do. I just don't have the capacity to do it right now. I have to start packing and cleaning up the house. We have 105 minutes to vacate and I've wasted enough time defending myself.

I am not scum. Nobody would pick me as scum because I come under way too much scrutiny anyway. Go find other lynch candidates and lynch me if nothing good comes out of it.

when are you back home? Day is 48 hours long, do you think you'll have time between now and then to defend those GTH reads you made?

I will be home in about 11 hours from now. So yes. Though I really don't understand the fixation on forcing me to. I would do a better job creating a case on them from thin air as mafia so the more compelling I am the more likely I am to get civ read is annoying logic. I know this sounds weird but I am sure I have exhibited many civ tells during this process but people are tunnelblind.

sometimes tinfoil exists so just give the ppl what the ppl want. You can't expect not to be held accountable for things you say, I mean this is forum mafia, people are hanging on your ever word.

[Kylemii]

i would appreciate if some folks would look through lc's iso and tell me what they think

Pretty much nothing. It suits his early play in both MK and Fiddler (civilian and mafia respectively), so we'll see how it develops. He's a suspect so long as there is no reason to give him civilian credit.

what do you make specifically of his confusion on how drafting works

[Marmot]

Why sprityotho?

Why not?

Each player had a 4% chance of being named the Mafia Don. Why discuss the possibility of one of those players being chosen when it's equally likely for every other player?

Why even play mafia at all?

Good question. What are you doing here?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i would appreciate if some folks would look through lc's iso and tell me what they think

Pretty much nothing. It suits his early play in both MK and Fiddler (civilian and mafia respectively), so we'll see how it develops. He's a suspect so long as there is no reason to give him civilian credit.

what do you make specifically of his confusion on how drafting works

It tells me nothing. I'd expect members of both factions to not be sure what's going on in the draft.

[Marmot]

Why sprityotho?

Why not?

Each player had a 4% chance of being named the Mafia Don. Why discuss the possibility of one of those players being chosen when it's equally likely for every other player?

Mac already answered that. What do you think of his answer?

Sounds reasonable.

I thought he was injecting WIFOM into the thread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 ok so it's permanently randomized but not until it becomes relevant? kyle's post implied that you would randomize it the first time it became relevant, not right off the bat at the beginning of the game. and sorry one more question, does the player find out what their randomized nationality is when it is chosen, or is it only revealed to the checker?

Yes.

Depends.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?

Second point: I really don’t buy the argument “I’d never be picked for mafia, I’m too obvious!” because ... that’s about as basic a WIFOM you can get. I think JJJ used this but then again, so did Mac.

I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?

[MacDougall]

ColinIsTown

[MacDougall]

You're right it's wifom but given I wasn't picked as Mafia it's natural to feel a desire to validate why.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?

What does this "although..." qualifier have to do with your prior assertion about distrusting me?

Second point: I really don’t buy the argument “I’d never be picked for mafia, I’m too obvious!” because ... that’s about as basic a WIFOM you can get. I think JJJ used this but then again, so did Mac.

I didn't say that. Mac didn't either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ColinIsTown

I hate that post. Why do you like it?

[MacDougall]

ColinIsTown

I hate that post. Why do you like it?

Of course you do. It's about how he suspects you.

I see the civvie wheels turning in that post. Sincerity abounds in the tone and I feel that his opinions are naturally derived.

[Kites]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] question about my power
”If your target uses an offensive action against a player who is not part of Lord Rico's army, they have a 15% chance to nightkill their target”

So if i target a player who executes a nightkill, his/her chance to succeed is reduced from 100 to 15?
or does it mean that any offensive action, not necessarily nightkill, has a 15% chance to kill the target?
or something else?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ColinIsTown

I hate that post. Why do you like it?

Of course you do. It's about how he suspects you.

I see the civvie wheels turning in that post. Sincerity abounds in the tone and I feel that his opinions are naturally derived.

No, it's about his read stemming from things that don't exist or are otherwise qualified with nothing waffles.

I think you're a civilian, and Colin's post looks like TMI.

[Kites]

also does anyone have contradicting role / backstory info regarding your gender? archers are females and i’m a woman according to my backstory, i just wanna know if they’re intended to match or not

i’ll try to be more active tomorrow. for me it’s really hard to catch up and come up with original cases and stuff someone else hasn’t already said if i’m not there at the start, i feel like i’m constantly 10 steps behind everyone else
good night

[MacDougall]

So at no point did you say anything similar to what he said you did? Because I said something that is fair for him to have summarised in that way on the last page.

[MacDougall]

That was at Jimmy obv.

[ColinIsCool]

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So at no point did you say anything similar to what he said you did? Because I said something that is fair for him to have summarised in that way on the last page.

I don't recall saying anything about the likelihood that X player would select me. All I said on the matter is that I wasn't picked. You said you're often the subject of scrutiny, which is more of a sig reason to civilian read you (Mac gets too much shit too often) than "Mac is too obvious". It's almost the opposite.

[MacDougall]

Dunya can you provide an analysis of your read on me please?

[MacDougall]

So at no point did you say anything similar to what he said you did? Because I said something that is fair for him to have summarised in that way on the last page.

I don't recall saying anything about the likelihood that X player would select me. All I said on the matter is that I wasn't picked. You said you're often the subject of scrutiny, which is more of a sig reason to civilian read you (Mac gets too much shit too often) than "Mac is too obvious". It's almost the opposite.

I see. I don't know if I agree that he wasn't just heavy handedly summing up what he understood my point yo mean though. It's a thing though especially once he shows us where you said your thing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

re-randomizing it defeats the purpose of my role, kinda? also, my role is a little weak man. I mean, if so many townies are from badguyia, me catching someone from badguyia doesn't mean they're scum anymore. I didn't realize townies are going to be from badguyia as well till today. o.O

Town results are still very useful.

[ColinIsCool]

Looks like I got the idea from Mac actually so that’s my bad.

MacDougall: if you were the don and you had to pick 4 scummates, who would you have chosen?

Probably a wifom mix. Everyone would assume Jimmy would get picked so why pick him? Probably gwilikers6, RDW, you and Wilgy. You mostly so you weren't out here analysing things legitimately. RDW and gwilly for ol times sake. Wilgy because I love being mafia with him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

Supertown Jimmy is a character. He stems from RYM game #55. It's a running gag.

Every time I say that mafia members don't blow threads up, I hear dissent and I always end up right. Mafia members can make a lot of posts. Mafia members can lead the thread in posts (they rarely do, but it can happen). In over 100 games of Mafia though across about 10-12 websites, I have never seen a single mafioso completely dominate the post count of a fast-moving game to the degree that dunya has in this game other than a single instance from MovingPictures07 (Mafia Championship Scrimmage, this site).

The next time I see it from someone other than MP will be the first time.

[ColinIsCool]

ColinIsTown

I hate that post. Why do you like it?

Of course you do. It's about how he suspects you.

I see the civvie wheels turning in that post. Sincerity abounds in the tone and I feel that his opinions are naturally derived.

No, it's about his read stemming from things that don't exist or are otherwise qualified with nothing waffles.

I think you're a civilian, and Colin's post looks like TMI.

What’s TMI?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Untrue. He was the only ping I saw by post during the initial read through. The rest are sus via gth.

How can a player be suspicious without an actual ping? Are their avatars scarier than usual?

Funny, that's exactly what GTH reads are though.

But nobody had a gun to his head? He just posted that list of names out of thin air? There had to have been some reasoning behind those reads

Let me set the scene for you.

I was sitting on the beach watching the world go by and made a post. I thought "what do I think of these players" to myself and then started a gth without looking at the player list. One by one names flooded into my head quickly followed by the emotion I felt about their presence in the game thus far. I had just read a lot of posts and don't have a photographic memory of each post so I couldn't tell you why I felt the way I did without revising. I was going to post the ColonialBob post anyway. Should I have chosen not to because he scum read me first? That sort of behavior fits the profile of scum to me.

I like this post. I play like this sometimes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?

I find this green stuff disdainful. The first portion of the sentence should logically explain the latter. It was an interrogation. The purpose of the interrogation is not to "make it appear as if there's a semi-reasonable case" -- which is already hedging language. It is to develop a read leading to a decision after the interrogation. Moreover, this assertion says nothing about MacDougall himself, but must inherently presume his innocence if Big Bad JJJ is giving him the works. That's where I derive a perspective of TMI (too much information).

Then it's disqualified with the blue stuff and it becomes an Eggo Waffle.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And also, Macky D, I've made more posts since then, as have others. Am I still your only ping?

I haven't really felt bad about anyone yet and your more recent posts are fairly sincere sounding.

yeah this is not the mac I know. u bad

I also like this post. Last time I played with Mac he was scum and I suspected him because he was being less aggressive than usual too.

[MacDougall]

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

Supertown Jimmy is a character. He stems from RYM game #55. It's a running gag.

Every time I say that mafia members don't blow threads up, I hear dissent and I always end up right. Mafia members can make a lot of posts. Mafia members can lead the thread in posts (they rarely do, but it can happen). In over 100 games of Mafia though across about 10-12 websites, I have never seen a single mafioso completely dominate the post count of a fast-moving game to the degree that dunya has in this game other than a single instance from MovingPictures07 (Mafia Championship Scrimmage, this site).

The next time I see it from someone other than MP will be the first time.

I am fairly sure that was an invention of mine no? I am a cruel person.

[ColinIsCool]

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

Supertown Jimmy is a character. He stems from RYM game #55. It's a running gag.

Every time I say that mafia members don't blow threads up, I hear dissent and I always end up right. Mafia members can make a lot of posts. Mafia members can lead the thread in posts (they rarely do, but it can happen). In over 100 games of Mafia though across about 10-12 websites, I have never seen a single mafioso completely dominate the post count of a fast-moving game to the degree that dunya has in this game other than a single instance from MovingPictures07 (Mafia Championship Scrimmage, this site).

The next time I see it from someone other than MP will be the first time.

Good to know on the joke then, thanks for explaining. As for the other point, like I said, I’ve seen games completely manhandled by mafioso trying to pull all the strings. I’ve been that guy pretty much.

TBH, I haven’t played in a long time and I don’t remember anybody’s playstyle so I’m definitely not trying to finger anybody with my brilliant intuition. Just trying to work out the things that strike me funny in case they’re helpful.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am fairly sure that was an invention of mine no? I am a cruel person.

Yes, it was the "random anything U-pick" game where someone else was a wheel of cheese or something. You stipulated in my role that I must refer to myself as Supertown Jimmy in every post.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel sorry for the townies who get assigned to Badguyia. You guys are doomed with a microsope. I wouldn't be surprised when scum people (probably 1) claim they are from Badguyia to win points. I'm watching.

Well I’m from Badguyia so WIFOM that

linki give a guy some time, the day just started

speaking of Badguyia, Jackofhearts2005 can you please confirm what the OP means when you said players with no specific nation in their backstory are from Badguyia. Is that correct or is there a missing comma there?

It's a comma issue.

Some townies are from Goodguyia. Some are from Allyia. Some are from Nomadia. Some are from Badguyia.

Some have no nationality so if someone checks them, they randomly are assigned a country.

If they are checked again do they keep appearing with the same country or does is change?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm not sure I would be so liberal with antagonizing a large group of players without the means to adequately case make to defend myself if I was knowingly scum. But then I probably would wouldn't I.

At any rate I don't think I am scum because I haven't been told I am. I am an ok lynch anyway though because at least as far as day 1 lynches go it won't have been random and there should be something to analyse.

Would like to continue though.

I hate the WIFOM and the defeatism in this post.

If you are civ you can do better than this. Not just defending yourself, but hunting. Where is the hunting, Mac?

VOTE MACDOUGALL

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just trying to work out the things that strike me funny in case they’re helpful.

I'm through with yelling at you now, so carry on and we'll both judge as we may.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

When you are trying to enjoy a holiday with patchy reception while still trying to contribute the best you can I will be sure to make you feel like you aren't doing enough and see how you feel. Bye.

Ugh now I think he is being sincere here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can almost feel a tangible trepidation on the part of [VOTE: LAPLUIE] aubergine[VOTE: .] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?

I find this green stuff disdainful. The first portion of the sentence should logically explain the latter. It was an interrogation. The purpose of the interrogation is not to "make it appear as if there's a semi-reasonable case" -- which is already hedging language. It is to develop a read leading to a decision after the interrogation. Moreover, this assertion says nothing about MacDougall himself, but must inherently presume his innocence if Big Bad JJJ is giving him the works. That's where I derive a perspective of TMI (too much information).

Then it's disqualified with the blue stuff and it becomes an Eggo Waffle.

I’m gonna have to ask you to not read too deeply into my paragraph structure here because I’m on mobile and already said I made a mistake in the post anyway. As far as Mac goes he didn’t really give me a reason to suspect him, the colonialbob stuff is weird maybe but definitely didn’t read as a scumtell on Day 1, so your “interrogation” of it seems a little false.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

*shrug* sorry you're on vacation and feel like you're getting dogpiled, but we're asking you to contribute. You're tunneling on the person who called you scummy, had a weird GTH excuse for me being your only ping, and haven't followed up on any of those.

Seriously, just updating your reads on the other suspects you had would be helpful.

I would do that if I was mafia anyway so why would that change how anyone feels about me? I am better at playing scum than town.

I also haven't tunneled you. That's rich. Hahahaha. Wow. Much irony.

Because it's harder to manufacture a fake case than a real case? Because if you're actually town you should *want* to get your suspicions out there for others to play with?

I assume you're saying I'm the one who's tunneled you. But I've got other scumreads and, in fact, my vote isn't even on you.

I do want to. I really do. I just don't have the capacity to do it right now. I have to start packing and cleaning up the house. We have 105 minutes to vacate and I've wasted enough time defending myself.

I am not scum. Nobody would pick me as scum because I come under way too much scrutiny anyway. Go find other lynch candidates and lynch me if nothing good comes out of it.

You have about 40 hours. If you intend to go back later and play the game, it's probably more productive than staying here and trying to explain why you are not playing the game. I'd go do your thing then come back and play it fully.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

ColinIsTown

Agree.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Running tally:


[2] MacDougall - nutella, Dragon D. Luffy
[1] DrWilgy - Marmot
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - colonialbob
[1] lapluie - JaggedJimmyJay

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Not Voting: MacDougall, ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, dunya, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, Quin, rabbit8, rundontwalk, sig, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], what do you think of colonialbob's suspicion of you?

[Quin]

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

Meet JaggedJimmyJay. His early roleplay was a treat though

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don’t really feel like I can trust JJJ right now. That MacDougall line of interrogation seems like a whole lot of latching onto nothing just to make it appear as if there’s a semi-reasonable case. Although if I were mafia in this game I would probably take advantage of the set-up confusion some people are experiencing and just lay low for a little while so I dunno. What do you all think?

I find this green stuff disdainful. The first portion of the sentence should logically explain the latter. It was an interrogation. The purpose of the interrogation is not to "make it appear as if there's a semi-reasonable case" -- which is already hedging language. It is to develop a read leading to a decision after the interrogation. Moreover, this assertion says nothing about MacDougall himself, but must inherently presume his innocence if Big Bad JJJ is giving him the works. That's where I derive a perspective of TMI (too much information).

Then it's disqualified with the blue stuff and it becomes an Eggo Waffle.

I don't agree with his logic but I think extreme paranoia of JJJ is a reasonable thing for anyone who plays with you for the first time.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Dragon D. Luffy, what do you think of colonialbob's suspicion of you?

Nothing special. I make a long shot suspicion on someone, and another player doesn't like how long shot it is and votes me on day 1. Been there, done that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't agree with his logic but I think extreme paranoia of JJJ is a reasonable thing for anyone who plays with you for the first time.

Perhaps. Colin has actually played with me before on a couple occasions. One specific memory is RYM #35, The Matrix.

I still remember all this shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Meet JaggedJimmyJay. His early roleplay was a treat though

Supertown Jimmy remembers those who honor his name and his legacy. A proper respect for a living legend can be a very beneficial career move.

[MacDougall]

I am fairly sure that was an invention of mine no? I am a cruel person.

Yes, it was the "random anything U-pick" game where someone else was a wheel of cheese or something. You stipulated in my role that I must refer to myself as Supertown Jimmy in every post.

Let's so a random anything u pick here lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am fairly sure that was an invention of mine no? I am a cruel person.

Yes, it was the "random anything U-pick" game where someone else was a wheel of cheese or something. You stipulated in my role that I must refer to myself as Supertown Jimmy in every post.

Let's so a random anything u pick here lol

Put that sucker in the drawing board for queuing, any game type. If you want a co-host I can help.

[gwilikers6]

Mac looks town to me. Colin, slightly suspicious although I do agree with the part of that post regarding Jay's tunneling of Mac, which I find a bit pedantic, but not necessarily in a scummy way.

[gwilikers6]

also does anyone have contradicting role / backstory info regarding your gender? archers are females and i’m a woman according to my backstory, i just wanna know if they’re intended to match or not

i’ll try to be more active tomorrow. for me it’s really hard to catch up and come up with original cases and stuff someone else hasn’t already said if i’m not there at the start, i feel like i’m constantly 10 steps behind everyone else
good night

I am a man but I look like a woman. I'm not sure what you mean by "archers are females", is this established somewhere? This strikes me as fishing for people's genders for something role related. Could obviously be either a town or a scum role, but noted.