Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[colonialbob]

How do y'all read Quin?

He's in my group of players I don't feel I can read early (alongside LC and Epi), but I buy the case you and dunya have laid out.

[TonyStarkPrime]

How do y'all read Quin?

Slightly Town. I haven’t picked up on Quin’s meta yet but it seems in line. A few reactions I like but for the most part there isn’t a lot of content.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And I don’t think I’m up to date on Dunya’s case but the parts I have seen aren’t convincing me.

[Epignosis]

Nope, not on RYM that I can recall, other games on other forums where I got my ass handed to me by some really manipulative “supertown” SOBs.

What are your reads on the four people in question?

dunya
Kylemii
Dragon D. Luffy
colonialbob

Dunya: mostly positive, actually, but strong players ought to be kept under scrutiny. Excitement scares me in Mafia because I know I’m always more excited when I get to lie. Then again she was excited enough to invite me before roles were called so it also seems genuine.

Kylemii: not a lot here for me, but I can’t agree with your read because it’s based on a meta I have no knowledge of. Nothing seems particularly scummy but nothing seems particularly towny.

DDL: I’m not sold on the case against Mac that people were all aboard for a little bit ago. The vote against him here struck me as capitalizing on his post with a rationale that looks good at first but not really under scrutiny. I don’t think a scum would offer himself up so easily on Day 1 as a sacrificial lamb when there’s slight momentum against him, but a townie might. I don’t also see anything in the hunting style that’s particularly better than anybody else’s.

Colonialbob: again, not a lot of feelings here but see the above re: hunting style

(In general the interactions between Mac and others are not adding up, including to Mac himself, and pursuing something there, between those players, might be the best route to go.)

The main theme here is that your rationale is based on intuitions I don’t share or information I don’t have access to, which isn’t your fault.

Also, I really want to know why Epignosis wants to know who we would pick?

This is the third time you've criticized or questioned what I'm dong. How can you judge the usefulness of this before I've gone through with it? Your initial criticism of what I was doing was this:

I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?

How can you know what the mafia is being "invited" to do if you don't even know what I'm doing?

And if you are not mafia, and you don't really believe I'm mafia (because you differentiated between me and the mafia by saying I was inviting the mafia to throw me off), then I cannot fathom why you wouldn't answer my question in good conscience.

I think I will vote after all.

Vote: ColinisCool

[dunya]

[mention]Marmot[/mention], are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

[Kylemii]

Quin reminds me of early Mortal Kombat joke-y relaxed Quin, but he's not throwing pinecones in anyone's bike spokes. I want to see him throw some cones.

[dunya]

he's waiting till after I lynch sig, to throw knives at me.

[dunya]

AUBGERGINE TALLY

[2] Marmot - Long Con , rundontwalk
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[1] Dr_White - JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[/b]
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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo

(can we quit playing with the order. order from top to bottom -- oldest to newest, with exception of moving leading vote up)

[Long Con]

I keep being part of the voting faction for the yellow guy.

@Marmot, are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

I was just about to post something along these lines. That would be beeeeautiful! Something a player could call on as an auto-post in the thread... OR a tally that hangs above the thread like a poll!

[dunya]

How does that make you feel Long Con, always forming a bandwagon? Not bad for an average player, eh?

[colonialbob]

I keep being part of the voting faction for the yellow guy.

@Marmot, are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

I was just about to post something along these lines. That would be beeeeautiful! Something a player could call on as an auto-post in the thread... OR a tally that hangs above the thread like a poll!

FWIW on the boardgamegeek forum (never played there, just creeped a bit for ideas), they have a pretty snazzy bot that handles their tallying. Just as a reference for anybody curious.

[Quin]

I like Dr.White because I've never seen him before and he's telling everyone to get out of his way and DDL for getting stuck in before and more than anybody else despite the nature of the draft. There's nobody I dislike.

Sorry, what are you talking about? You mean when I took a while to give someone a role because I hadnt read the rules?

When I think about early content the first "real" contributors I recall are you and rdw. I don't know where the latter is now, but you stand out as wanting to get things done.

[Marmot]

@Marmot, are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

I was thinking about that too! But that'll be a bigger project.

[nutella]

TSP is the Shaman: "Forbidden Knowledge - Each night, you may choose a role from role list and reveal any secrets or background powers associated with it. Using this on scum roles too often without using it on enough draft/promotion roles will result in negative consequences."

This would be a very odd baddie role, because why would a scum use this on a scummate?

It's a role that the scum might want to snatch up so the town can't learn their secrets. (and while I'm writing this I see this has been answered already)

That being said, I wouldn't want to mislynch the Shaman if Tony is civ after all, but I'm really not feeling good about him.

Aaaahhh, yes I see. Yes, the scum would want to own the most dangerous roles to them. If Tony is scum then, the player who drafted him into the Shaman is also scum.

Hey that's me and I resent the assumption He requested it, I didn't think for too long about it and I was still trying to wrap my head around all the roles so I didn't even consider that it was a role the scum might want to claim. I was more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role. I think I must have associated info roles with townies wanting them, and I wanted to keep the draft going relatively quickly so I unfortunately didn't think about it for too long.

If I unwittingly gave such a powerful role to the mafia then it is my duty to repent by lynching the guy D1

Also, he still hasn't explained his mysterious accusation of Kyle, has he? Wtf was that about?

[Quin]

I like Dr.White because I've never seen him before and he's telling everyone to get out of his way and DDL for getting stuck in before and more than anybody else despite the nature of the draft. There's nobody I dislike.

Sorry, what are you talking about? You mean when I took a while to give someone a role because I hadnt read the rules?

I'm more concerned with "There's nobody I dislike." than his town reads on Dr. White and you. Quin doesn't dislike anyone yet.

Say what?

That is correct.

[Long Con]

How does that make you feel Long Con, always forming a bandwagon? Not bad for an average player, eh?

Average player; natural leadership skills.

[Marmot]

I keep being part of the voting faction for the yellow guy.

@Marmot, are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

I was just about to post something along these lines. That would be beeeeautiful! Something a player could call on as an auto-post in the thread... OR a tally that hangs above the thread like a poll!

FWIW on the boardgamegeek forum (never played there, just creeped a bit for ideas), they have a pretty snazzy bot that handles their tallying. Just as a reference for anybody curious.

It really all depends on whether we stick with the Poll method we've always done or not. I'd also like to adjust the polls to properly track the order votes, and that would be a resolution.

[nutella]

I like Dr.White because I've never seen him before and he's telling everyone to get out of his way and DDL for getting stuck in before and more than anybody else despite the nature of the draft. There's nobody I dislike.

Sorry, what are you talking about? You mean when I took a while to give someone a role because I hadnt read the rules?

I'm more concerned with "There's nobody I dislike." than his town reads on Dr. White and you. Quin doesn't dislike anyone yet.

Say what?

That is correct.

Do you seriously not have any reads? I just skimmed your ISO and it's, like, 97% fluff.

[Long Con]

Hey that's me and I resent the assumption

Ah, heh heh, I hadn't realized it was you, Pegasister, when I said that silly thing. I have since quietly disassociated myself from that theory altogether.

[Quin]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

[dunya]

I keep being part of the voting faction for the yellow guy.

@Marmot, are you programming a self-tallying vote tally? because if you are, you win the game.

I was just about to post something along these lines. That would be beeeeautiful! Something a player could call on as an auto-post in the thread... OR a tally that hangs above the thread like a poll!

FWIW on the boardgamegeek forum (never played there, just creeped a bit for ideas), they have a pretty snazzy bot that handles their tallying. Just as a reference for anybody curious.

It really all depends on whether we stick with the Poll method we've always done or not. I'd also like to adjust the polls to properly track the order votes, and that would be a resolution.

the only good thing with the bot method is that we have a written copy of when votes were placed and vote changes are accounted for that way, but beggars can't be choosers. If we get a poll that tracks the order votes are placed in, I'll be happy.

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP is the Shaman: "Forbidden Knowledge - Each night, you may choose a role from role list and reveal any secrets or background powers associated with it. Using this on scum roles too often without using it on enough draft/promotion roles will result in negative consequences."

This would be a very odd baddie role, because why would a scum use this on a scummate?

It's a role that the scum might want to snatch up so the town can't learn their secrets. (and while I'm writing this I see this has been answered already)

That being said, I wouldn't want to mislynch the Shaman if Tony is civ after all, but I'm really not feeling good about him.

Aaaahhh, yes I see. Yes, the scum would want to own the most dangerous roles to them. If Tony is scum then, the player who drafted him into the Shaman is also scum.

Hey that's me and I resent the assumption He requested it, I didn't think for too long about it and I was still trying to wrap my head around all the roles so I didn't even consider that it was a role the scum might want to claim. I was more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role. I think I must have associated info roles with townies wanting them, and I wanted to keep the draft going relatively quickly so I unfortunately didn't think about it for too long.

If I unwittingly gave such a powerful role to the mafia then it is my duty to repent by lynching the guy D1

Also, he still hasn't explained his mysterious accusation of Kyle, has he? Wtf was that about?

Nutella what do you think about Kyle?
And as far as it being a role scum would want, I think it would be pretty obvious if I were using my power in a scum manner. It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

[dunya]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

Because you have almost 50 posts and I only remember the one of you trying to get a glimpse of Jay's ass. There's something wrong in that scenario.

[Quin]

I like Dr.White because I've never seen him before and he's telling everyone to get out of his way and DDL for getting stuck in before and more than anybody else despite the nature of the draft. There's nobody I dislike.

Sorry, what are you talking about? You mean when I took a while to give someone a role because I hadnt read the rules?

I'm more concerned with "There's nobody I dislike." than his town reads on Dr. White and you. Quin doesn't dislike anyone yet.

Say what?

That is correct.

Do you seriously not have any reads? I just skimmed your ISO and it's, like, 97% fluff.

I only have town reads so far, bar the above.

[Quin]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

Because you have almost 50 posts and I only remember the one of you trying to get a glimpse of Jay's ass. There's something wrong in that scenario.

Why should my post count have any influence on how many scum reads I have?

[Long Con]

Do you seriously not have any reads? I just skimmed your ISO and it's, like, 97% fluff.

Softest ISO ever! So snuggly-soft!

[dunya]

It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I don't think so. Shaman is literally the easiest role to fake if you're scum. Check your scum mates out? Use their fake backstories and roles as results. Check townies, discover their powers and use it to scum's added advantage. What's hard about that, exactly?

[Marmot]

What's the other 3% like?

[nutella]

TSP is the Shaman: "Forbidden Knowledge - Each night, you may choose a role from role list and reveal any secrets or background powers associated with it. Using this on scum roles too often without using it on enough draft/promotion roles will result in negative consequences."

This would be a very odd baddie role, because why would a scum use this on a scummate?

It's a role that the scum might want to snatch up so the town can't learn their secrets. (and while I'm writing this I see this has been answered already)

That being said, I wouldn't want to mislynch the Shaman if Tony is civ after all, but I'm really not feeling good about him.

Aaaahhh, yes I see. Yes, the scum would want to own the most dangerous roles to them. If Tony is scum then, the player who drafted him into the Shaman is also scum.

Hey that's me and I resent the assumption He requested it, I didn't think for too long about it and I was still trying to wrap my head around all the roles so I didn't even consider that it was a role the scum might want to claim. I was more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role. I think I must have associated info roles with townies wanting them, and I wanted to keep the draft going relatively quickly so I unfortunately didn't think about it for too long.

If I unwittingly gave such a powerful role to the mafia then it is my duty to repent by lynching the guy D1

Also, he still hasn't explained his mysterious accusation of Kyle, has he? Wtf was that about?

Nutella what do you think about Kyle?
And as far as it being a role scum would want, I think it would be pretty obvious if I were using my power in a scum manner. It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I have no reason not to town read Kyle. What are you seeing that I'm not?

And actually I might not even be understanding the Shaman role correctly. Does he reveal stuff publicly? If so then you'd be right I guess. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ?

[nutella]

It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I don't think so. Shaman is literally the easiest role to fake if you're scum. Check your scum mates out? Use their fake backstories and roles as results. Check townies, discover their powers and use it to scum's added advantage. What's hard about that, exactly?

..Or this I guess. I'm getting confused again lol

[Epignosis]

I have powered through all 31 pages of this thread. I will never do that again. My eyeballs are bleeding.

I'll have some things to say later this evening after I have bathed and replenished my strength. For now:

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgyl[/mention]
[mention]Iron_Dwarfl[/mention]
[mention]lapluiel[/mention]
[mention]rabbit8l[/mention]
[mention]rundontwalkl[/mention]

These individuals have not named their four hypothetical teammates. I would like to hear them by tonight.

[dunya]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

Because you have almost 50 posts and I only remember the one of you trying to get a glimpse of Jay's ass. There's something wrong in that scenario.

Why should my post count have any influence on how many scum reads I have?

I didn't ask for scum reads, I asked for anything memorable. I don't remember anything apart from you chipping in with game-connections, which is about your greatest contribution to this thread. Do you disagree? Why am I wrong? Link me to three independent thoughts you've developed in this game, beyond townreading DDL and Dr. White in that post. 3 out of ~50 is not asking for a lot. Prove me wrong, and I'll eat my words.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are those tags going to work with the stray "L" at the ends?

[Quin]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

Because you have almost 50 posts and I only remember the one of you trying to get a glimpse of Jay's ass. There's something wrong in that scenario.

Why should my post count have any influence on how many scum reads I have?

I didn't ask for scum reads, I asked for anything memorable. I don't remember anything apart from you chipping in with game-connections, which is about your greatest contribution to this thread. Do you disagree? Why am I wrong? Link me to three independent thoughts you've developed in this game, beyond townreading DDL and Dr. White in that post. 3 out of ~50 is not asking for a lot. Prove me wrong, and I'll eat my words.

Wrong. This entire conversation is happening because you were unhappy with my lack of "people I dislike". Asking me for content "with the exception of your content" sucks too. Boo you, dunya. Boo you.


I'll talk when I wanna talk

[dunya]

It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I don't think so. Shaman is literally the easiest role to fake if you're scum. Check your scum mates out? Use their fake backstories and roles as results. Check townies, discover their powers and use it to scum's added advantage. What's hard about that, exactly?

..Or this I guess. I'm getting confused again lol

This is why I wanted JOH to tell us if scum knew their roles wouldn't be posted ITT before drafting started tbh. If they did, they'd want Shaman pretty badly imo, even if it looked obvious, they'd go with WIFOM to fend people off. Tony was the EIGHTH draft. 7 people before him didn't request Shaman (well, except Wilgy I think? and he was denied by you).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunyal[/mention]

dunya, please let me know if this tag works.

[dunya]

It did not work, Jay.

[nutella]

lol [mention]Epignosisl[/mention] where did those come from

[nutella]

is this gonna be a new memel

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Iron_Dwarf[/mention]
[mention]lapluie[/mention]
[mention]rabbit8[/mention]
[mention]rundontwalk[/mention]

Y'all:

I have powered through all 31 pages of this thread. I will never do that again. My eyeballs are bleeding.

I'll have some things to say later this evening after I have bathed and replenished my strength. For now:

These individuals have not named their four hypothetical teammates. I would like to hear them by tonight.

[dunya]

also, off the top of my head----relevant, noteworthy things I remember Quin has done so far: zero. none. nuthin'. (ok that's a lie, I remember he tried to get a photo of Jay's butt, but that's it.) Why's that?

The same can be said about:
rabbit8, DrWilgy, lapluie

Because I'm having fun. And he has a great ass.

And I've changed my mind. I dislike you pushing a scum-read quota on me. Explain your thought process.

Because you have almost 50 posts and I only remember the one of you trying to get a glimpse of Jay's ass. There's something wrong in that scenario.

Why should my post count have any influence on how many scum reads I have?

I didn't ask for scum reads, I asked for anything memorable. I don't remember anything apart from you chipping in with game-connections, which is about your greatest contribution to this thread. Do you disagree? Why am I wrong? Link me to three independent thoughts you've developed in this game, beyond townreading DDL and Dr. White in that post. 3 out of ~50 is not asking for a lot. Prove me wrong, and I'll eat my words.

Wrong. This entire conversation is happening because you were unhappy with my lack of "people I dislike". Asking me for content "with the exception of your content" sucks too. Boo you, dunya. Boo you.


I'll talk when I wanna talk

Wrong. The lack of people you disliked pinged me for sure, but your lack of content sold me on questioning and placing a vote on you. I'm not eating my words yet, Guin? Don't pull an Epi with that I'll talk when I wanna talk crap.

[colonialbob]

I like Dr.White because I've never seen him before and he's telling everyone to get out of his way and DDL for getting stuck in before and more than anybody else despite the nature of the draft. There's nobody I dislike.

Sorry, what are you talking about? You mean when I took a while to give someone a role because I hadnt read the rules?

When I think about early content the first "real" contributors I recall are you and rdw. I don't know where the latter is now, but you stand out as wanting to get things done.

I think he misunderstood "getting stuck in"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Remember the time dunya had 320 posts with 22 hours remaining in Day 1?

[dunya]

also, if scum nabbed Shaman, they'd know how hard he is for us to lynch. Who wants to risk lynching our only window to the scum roles? Thx, but no thx.

[dunya]

Remember the time dunya had 320 posts with 22 hours remaining in Day 1?

I am representing RYM full force. I won't let Syndicators think we are a force to be reckoned with.

[sig]

Either LC isn't paying attention, which isn't ideal, or he is pretending not to pay attention, which isn't ideal. Perhaps a more agreeable suspicion would be that he is milking his recent meta for playing a detached Day 1.

I hate to say this since I always bus LC, but I think it's the second one. I also would disagree that LC is a bad player, I feel like he's trying to set up a meta so he can help mislynch people.


Wilgy hasn't been very zany yet which I find odd and I feel like we've got alot of players just coasting.

I also dislike how people aren't doing Epi's list. Normally I think for things like this scum is broken into two groups, one group will play along right away, while the other will argue and refuse to do it. So the fact Collins hasn't done anything yet is odd.

I also don't want to lynch Marmot today and I still think Jay's early posts were off.

[dunya]

I still think Jay's early posts were off.

You do? I distinctly remember you gave him and Mac town reads. I must have missed this part...

[TonyStarkPrime]

It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I don't think so. Shaman is literally the easiest role to fake if you're scum. Check your scum mates out? Use their fake backstories and roles as results. Check townies, discover their powers and use it to scum's added advantage. What's hard about that, exactly?

It’s public so it would be obvious if I were only checking Town roles and I couldn’t reveal fake roles.

[dunya]

It’s hard to fake being a Town shaman if you are not a Town shaman.

I don't think so. Shaman is literally the easiest role to fake if you're scum. Check your scum mates out? Use their fake backstories and roles as results. Check townies, discover their powers and use it to scum's added advantage. What's hard about that, exactly?

It’s public so it would be obvious if I were only checking Town roles and I couldn’t reveal fake roles.

There are 19 Townies and 5 scum. You can check one ROLE every night, and you're not allowed to check the scum team roles consecutively. How difficult would it be for you to write up fake scum roles and pass them off as real roles, considering roles aren't revealed when scum flip, they won't even know you lied? Maybe you have already planned to bus one of your teammates at some point, even? And if not, your inevitable lynch would still come at a much greater sacrifice and loss for town than your scum team because we'd be blindsided completely and you would have extra info on the Town secret roles.

Sorry to be playing devil's advocate here, Tony. But I don't take anything for granted and your rebuttals don't inspire confidence yet.

[dunya]

I still think Jay's early posts were off.

You do? I distinctly remember you gave him and Mac town reads. I must have missed this part...

sorry sig, I thought you were sprityo for some reason. Ignore that!