Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[colonialbob]

What is weird about rabbit being AWOL?

I figure it's indicative of him being a civilian, in that he wouldn't bail on a mafia team like that, especially a mafia team that he would have hand-selected, or was hand-selected for.

This is why I don't think we should lynch rabbit.

Why not DrWilgy? Or lapluie?

Didn't like rabbits draft behaviour. Nothing about the other two stood out to me.

[Iron_Dwarf]

I'm on Page 34 and I hate the discussion about Epi's exercise. Hate it hate it hate it.

Can you guys be just a little patient and let him finish it so we can judge whether the results are good or not? If they are not you can vote for him all you want. But voting him now because you can't see the usefulness of something that has been advertized as having a hidden goal is moronic. Voting for him because he is risking being night killed is triple moronic. For all I know this exercise could end in day 1, when every active player answers it. Or he could be night killed, but then that means he was... a civ?

You don't lynch someone to prevent mafia from killing them, that's almost as bad as the idea that a civ has to resign themselves to get lynched.

If Epi is a wagon I will make whatever vote is necessary to prevent him from being lynched. Because right now my curiosity wants me to know how this exercise ends.

Epi's gambit just feels like unnecessary risk to me. Why are you so adamant on continuing with it? Just because you are curious?

Risk?

What does it risk?

Throwing away a really powerful ability on day 1 when we do not have any conclusive reads.

@Iron_Dwarf please explain why a lynch switch is such a powerful civ ability

If you have obtained good information about the alignments of different players you can prevent a misguided bandwagon forming on an innocent player.

[Iron_Dwarf]

I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

[dunya]

Kenway doesn't manipulatively lie just to win. He's incapable of it. If he's scum and you ask him if he's town, sure, he'll say he's town (unlike Glorf), but he won't lie about game mechanics, and being confused about some things that BTSC would for sure have cleared up, the same way Long Con would for example.

[Marmot]

Because it's something I oppose. I don't lynch full inactives early because I expect them to be replaced. I can probably link you 5 examples of games from the last 2 years where I said the same thing.

I believe that.

What bugs me is that you seemed to just remember a particular voting strategy that you were using yet generally oppose.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Protip: players with lynch redirects usually don't get investigation roles.

Because that's broken ofc.

[dunya]

What is weird about rabbit being AWOL?

I figure it's indicative of him being a civilian, in that he wouldn't bail on a mafia team like that, especially a mafia team that he would have hand-selected, or was hand-selected for.

This is why I don't think we should lynch rabbit.

Why not DrWilgy? Or lapluie?

Didn't like rabbits draft behaviour. Nothing about the other two stood out to me.

I didn't like it either, he delayed the thread. Do you think it was a scum rabbit8, imposing sanctions on his teammates though?

[colonialbob]

I'm on Page 34 and I hate the discussion about Epi's exercise. Hate it hate it hate it.

Can you guys be just a little patient and let him finish it so we can judge whether the results are good or not? If they are not you can vote for him all you want. But voting him now because you can't see the usefulness of something that has been advertized as having a hidden goal is moronic. Voting for him because he is risking being night killed is triple moronic. For all I know this exercise could end in day 1, when every active player answers it. Or he could be night killed, but then that means he was... a civ?

You don't lynch someone to prevent mafia from killing them, that's almost as bad as the idea that a civ has to resign themselves to get lynched.

If Epi is a wagon I will make whatever vote is necessary to prevent him from being lynched. Because right now my curiosity wants me to know how this exercise ends.

Epi's gambit just feels like unnecessary risk to me. Why are you so adamant on continuing with it? Just because you are curious?

Risk?

What does it risk?

Throwing away a really powerful ability on day 1 when we do not have any conclusive reads.

@Iron_Dwarf please explain why a lynch switch is such a powerful civ ability

If you have obtained good information about the alignments of different players you can prevent a misguided bandwagon forming on an innocent player.

He's a doctor though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Because it's something I oppose. I don't lynch full inactives early because I expect them to be replaced. I can probably link you 5 examples of games from the last 2 years where I said the same thing.

I believe that.

What bugs me is that you seemed to just remember a particular voting strategy that you were using yet generally oppose.

I lapsed for a few minutes, when I decided I didn't like either of the wagons and Rabbit was easier to lynch than them.

Then I decided my ideology comes first and i'd rather lynch a neutral read such as Nutella or vote for a bad read now than do what is essentially a RNG lynch.

[dunya]

Protip: players with lynch redirects usually don't get investigation roles.

Because that's broken ofc.

Protip: in an open game setup with info dumping allowed, people are going to be sharing info.

Because that's how it works ofc.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

rundontwalk
JaggedJimmyJay
dunya
MacDougall
sprityo
gwilikers6
Kylemii
colonialbob
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Marmot
Dr. White
ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
rabbit8
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
Kites
Quin
lapluie
DrWilgy

You forgot me Nutella

Ah so I did, so sorry about that -- I definitely had you in there while editing and you somehow got deleted. You should be right about next to where Sprityo is. Pretty solid civ read


Woke up to 300+ posts to catch up on, I'm almost done and [mention]dunya[/mention] I see you asked me a couple things, I'll get to those soon. And I really don't want to get lynched you guys I don't blame some of you for not knowing my meta, but I promise if you give me past my wishy-washy day 1 to get comfortable I can be a valuable scumhunter.

So far I've liked DDL's points on Kenway (and huh I vaguely remember serge) and I feel similarly re: Kites, but I think the case on Quin is the strongest right now -- I still have like 2 pages to read so I'm not sure if he's gotten more votes and I will probably end up voting out of self-preservation if possible (unless Epi is telling the truth about his switch), but for now I think Quin has been looking pretty bad, he posted a bunch of fluff during the draft but once the actual phase started his activity dropped off and he barely provided any content, including saying he had no scum reads.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[colonialbob]

What is weird about rabbit being AWOL?

I figure it's indicative of him being a civilian, in that he wouldn't bail on a mafia team like that, especially a mafia team that he would have hand-selected, or was hand-selected for.

This is why I don't think we should lynch rabbit.

Why not DrWilgy? Or lapluie?

Didn't like rabbits draft behaviour. Nothing about the other two stood out to me.

I didn't like it either, he delayed the thread. Do you think it was a scum rabbit8, imposing sanctions on his teammates though?

Sanctions? Could have been a pause that extended unintentionally. Honestly his "no" was worse than the extended absence in my eyes. What possible motivation is there for a civ to not give somebody a role?

[Marmot]

There's that nutella vote.

[Iron_Dwarf]

@TonyStarkPrime reads?

Dunya Town
JJJ scum
Epi ???
Colin null
Kyle Mafia but I can’t explain it
DDL maybe scum
Missing players scum
Nutella Town
Quin town
Kenway town
LongCon scumish

People were tossing around the word salad a lot earlier in the thread, all these comprehensive (rainbow) lists should be seen as salad too then to be consistent.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Protip: players with lynch redirects usually don't get investigation roles.

Because that's broken ofc.

Protip: in an open game setup with info dumping allowed, people are going to be sharing info.

Because that's how it works ofc.

If info is out in the open you don't need a lynch redirect. Just vote for the person or something.

A lynch redirect is the equivallent of a vig, with the addition that is stops another lynch from happening. A vig is usually an uninformed role that needs to make risky calls. Not a really powerful role.

A lynch redirector on town tends to be more annoying than powerful.

[Marmot]

Because it's something I oppose. I don't lynch full inactives early because I expect them to be replaced. I can probably link you 5 examples of games from the last 2 years where I said the same thing.

I believe that.

What bugs me is that you seemed to just remember a particular voting strategy that you were using yet generally oppose.

I lapsed for a few minutes, when I decided I didn't like either of the wagons and Rabbit was easier to lynch than them.

Then I decided my ideology comes first and i'd rather lynch a neutral read such as Nutella or vote for a bad read now than do what is essentially a RNG lynch.

How do you feel about my defending rabbit?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Kenway doesn't manipulatively lie just to win. He's incapable of it. If he's scum and you ask him if he's town, sure, he'll say he's town (unlike Glorf), but he won't lie about game mechanics, and being confused about some things that BTSC would for sure have cleared up, the same way Long Con would for example.

...

Fine.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

[dunya]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

YUCK.

Gross.

"Disgusting."

etc.

For starters, you vote for MY second suspect. For finals, why not lap or Wilgy as per your rainbow? Nope. Fake. Not buying it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Time test post.

[colonialbob]

Protip: players with lynch redirects usually don't get investigation roles.

Because that's broken ofc.

Protip: in an open game setup with info dumping allowed, people are going to be sharing info.

Because that's how it works ofc.

But how does that make a lynch swap better? Absent hard info you're just substituting your judgment for the collective judgment of the thread, which is generally bad (absent specific weird scenarios like multiple teams, etc).

Obvi as a scum power it's great.

[Marmot]

DDL and nutella both voted for Quin. :O

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Because it's something I oppose. I don't lynch full inactives early because I expect them to be replaced. I can probably link you 5 examples of games from the last 2 years where I said the same thing.

I believe that.

What bugs me is that you seemed to just remember a particular voting strategy that you were using yet generally oppose.

I lapsed for a few minutes, when I decided I didn't like either of the wagons and Rabbit was easier to lynch than them.

Then I decided my ideology comes first and i'd rather lynch a neutral read such as Nutella or vote for a bad read now than do what is essentially a RNG lynch.

How do you feel about my defending rabbit?

Don't think it means much. I've seen enough cases of mafia players bailing out on situations they should be ashamed for in all the games i've played/hosted.

There are only three things that are limitless: the universe, human's stupidity, and the lack of shame of people who go inactive in mafia games.

[Jackofhearts2005]

About an hour left.

I'll be closing the thread to do an official vote tally at that time and reopen with the death of whoever.

[colonialbob]

@TonyStarkPrime reads?

Dunya Town
JJJ scum
Epi ???
Colin null
Kyle Mafia but I can’t explain it
DDL maybe scum
Missing players scum
Nutella Town
Quin town
Kenway town
LongCon scumish

People were tossing around the word salad a lot earlier in the thread, all these comprehensive (rainbow) lists should be seen as salad too then to be consistent.

Nope. Salad is a way of adding "content" without meaning. Rainbows are reads, which are content.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

rundontwalk
JaggedJimmyJay
dunya
MacDougall
sprityo
gwilikers6
Kylemii
colonialbob
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Marmot
Dr. White
ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
rabbit8
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
Kites
Quin
lapluie
DrWilgy

You forgot me Nutella

Ah so I did, so sorry about that -- I definitely had you in there while editing and you somehow got deleted. You should be right about next to where Sprityo is. Pretty solid civ read


Woke up to 300+ posts to catch up on, I'm almost done and @dunya I see you asked me a couple things, I'll get to those soon. And I really don't want to get lynched you guys I don't blame some of you for not knowing my meta, but I promise if you give me past my wishy-washy day 1 to get comfortable I can be a valuable scumhunter.

So far I've liked DDL's points on Kenway (and huh I vaguely remember serge) and I feel similarly re: Kites, but I think the case on Quin is the strongest right now -- I still have like 2 pages to read so I'm not sure if he's gotten more votes and I will probably end up voting out of self-preservation if possible (unless Epi is telling the truth about his switch), but for now I think Quin has been looking pretty bad, he posted a bunch of fluff during the draft but once the actual phase started his activity dropped off and he barely provided any content, including saying he had no scum reads.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Out of curiousity, you liked DDL's case on Kenway.

Who's case on Quin did you like? Same question about Kites.

[dunya]

for a marmot's poor eyes

AUBERGINE

[4] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool
[4] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot, Iron_Dwarf, rundontwalk
[2] rabbit8 - sig, colonialBob
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay
[1] Marmot - Long Con
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[2] Quin - nutella, Dragon D. Luffy


No vote: Dr. White,Kylemii, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

If you want an example of the game i'm currently hosting.

https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/gu ... t-58127893

[Marmot]

Time test post.

The home index page also shows the current Syndicate time, which I will refresh and follow when hosting.

[dunya]

Who's case on Quin did you like? Same question about Kites.

mine. Yet he was not even red in her rainbow, whereas Wilgy and lap were. She comes in here and makes no excuse as to why lap and Wilgy are saved from her vote and votes for Quin instead?

[Marmot]

Who's case on Quin did you like? Same question about Kites.

mine. Yet he was not even red in her rainbow, whereas Wilgy and lap were. She comes in here and makes no excuse as to why lap and Wilgy are saved from her vote and votes for Quin instead?

Thanks, though I wanted to hear it from her.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

If you want an example of the game i'm currently hosting.

https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/gu ... t-58127893

I'm confused, did you state your belief on not voting for players with no posts on Day 1 in a game that you are hosting?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Marmot

If you want an example of the game i'm currently hosting.

https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/gu ... t-58127893

I'm confused, did you state your belief on not voting for players with no posts on Day 1 in a game that you are hosting?

You skipped 1 or 2 posts between that and this one.

It's just an example on why I doubt a player can ever be "ashamed" of being inactive.

[Epignosis]

[Epignosis]

EOD is in less than an hour and Epignosis has still done nothing with The Exercise.

The end of the Day is an inconvenient time for me given my schedule.

I will have to put it together during Night 1.

[dunya]

[Vote: DUNYA]

tell me more, tell me more, was it lynch at first sight?

[nutella]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

YUCK.

Gross.

"Disgusting."

etc.

For starters, you vote for MY second suspect. For finals, why not lap or Wilgy as per your rainbow? Nope. Fake. Not buying it.

oh wait.... shit. I think I fucked up and my vote doesn't count. I thought someone had voted for Quin before that. My passive is I can't put the first vote on someone. Uhh what's the tally

[dunya]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

YUCK.

Gross.

"Disgusting."

etc.

For starters, you vote for MY second suspect. For finals, why not lap or Wilgy as per your rainbow? Nope. Fake. Not buying it.

oh wait.... shit. I think I fucked up and my vote doesn't count. I thought someone had voted for Quin before that. My passive is I can't put the first vote on someone. Uhh what's the tally

DDL voted for him after you. Do you want to keep your vote on Quin?

[nutella]

Spoiler: show

rundontwalk
JaggedJimmyJay
dunya
MacDougall
sprityo
gwilikers6
Kylemii
colonialbob
Epignosis
Dragon D. Luffy
Marmot
Dr. White
ColinIsCool
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
rabbit8
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
Kites
Quin
lapluie
DrWilgy

You forgot me Nutella

Ah so I did, so sorry about that -- I definitely had you in there while editing and you somehow got deleted. You should be right about next to where Sprityo is. Pretty solid civ read


Woke up to 300+ posts to catch up on, I'm almost done and @dunya I see you asked me a couple things, I'll get to those soon. And I really don't want to get lynched you guys I don't blame some of you for not knowing my meta, but I promise if you give me past my wishy-washy day 1 to get comfortable I can be a valuable scumhunter.

So far I've liked DDL's points on Kenway (and huh I vaguely remember serge) and I feel similarly re: Kites, but I think the case on Quin is the strongest right now -- I still have like 2 pages to read so I'm not sure if he's gotten more votes and I will probably end up voting out of self-preservation if possible (unless Epi is telling the truth about his switch), but for now I think Quin has been looking pretty bad, he posted a bunch of fluff during the draft but once the actual phase started his activity dropped off and he barely provided any content, including saying he had no scum reads.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Out of curiousity, you liked DDL's case on Kenway.

Who's case on Quin did you like? Same question about Kites.

My own and my own

[Marmot]

You skipped 1 or 2 posts between that and this one.

It's just an example on why I doubt a player can ever be "ashamed" of being inactive.

Gotcha. I'll reiterate my point in this game.

Situation: rabbit8 is mafia. That means that either he is the mafia don and he took the time to draft together 4 other players to his team, or that he was drafted by another player to said team. I doubt he would bail in the first of the above two situations, because he was already invested in the game. In the second situation, someone else picked him. I assert that a player that would recruit him is someone who knows him or has played with him. Again, there is an inherent link of investment.

Yes it's possible that if he is mafia, that he was drafted to a team of players he doesn't know or care about. I find that less likely.

I believe that a lone civilian is more likely to not care about a game and bail in a situation that would directly hurt their team then someone in the above situation I described.

[Epignosis]

I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

I answered the question. He isn't satisfied with my answer.

Kylemii asked me to make up an opinion on nutella. I don't even know where to begin with that.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

YUCK.

Gross.

"Disgusting."

etc.

For starters, you vote for MY second suspect. For finals, why not lap or Wilgy as per your rainbow? Nope. Fake. Not buying it.

oh wait.... shit. I think I fucked up and my vote doesn't count. I thought someone had voted for Quin before that. My passive is I can't put the first vote on someone. Uhh what's the tally

DDL voted for him after you. Do you want to keep your vote on Quin?

I think so but since mine was first it doesn't count rn so I'll have to switch it.

UNVOTE QUIN

VOTE RABBIT8

UNVOTE RABBIT8

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I hope that works lmao I'm an idiot

[dunya]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

I answered the question. He isn't satisfied with my answer.

Kylemii asked me to make up an opinion on nutella. I don't even know where to begin with that.

Traditionally you’d start with her posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention] why do you read dunya as a civilian?

[Marmot]

I still haven't really heard Epignosis talking about nutella.

Like I said, won't be the 10th time civ Epi refuses to do perfectly reasonable tasks because he's stubborn as fuck.

I answered the question. He isn't satisfied with my answer.

Kylemii asked me to make up an opinion on nutella. I don't even know where to begin with that.

You're playing a game of mafia.

Is it that strange to have an opinion about another player? Especially one with the number of posts and votes that nutella has?

[gwilikers6]

Sorry, I'm sure this has been asked but when is EOD?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry, I'm sure this has been asked but when is EOD?

37 minutes.

[colonialbob]

Does anybody pestering Epi about not giving a read on nutella think doing so will actually prompt him to provide one? This question applies whether you think he's town or mafia.

[rundontwalk]

Let's kill Epi