Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Kenway]

Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

[Kenway]

Also, who is Dr. White? Did someone got replaced?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, who is Dr. White? Did someone got replaced?

Good question! Take a look and tell me what you think!

[sig]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] Why am I a dark fireworks on your read list? What did you accomplish from having players target you/why did you want them to? If you've already answered feel free to just direct me to post.

linki: That's an extremely foolish and scummy idea. You want to lynch one of the strongest civ roles? It's like saying lets lyncha town vig since they .might shoot other town, or lets lynch active players since they might mislynch scum? It's even worse since I showed restraint and didn't kill anyone. Though if you keep saying such wicked things I might kill you.

[Quin]

@JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.

You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.

I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.

I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.

I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

[sig]

[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine

I'll probably switch later, but I hate that post lynching people since they're from a country when we know civs can rand those countries? Also what if lap is bad, but I'm not you can't assume the host would do something that game breaky first off, second off its a horrible reason to lynch someone as mafia and get away with it.

I also don't like their Dr white question.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

I think your fluff extended beyond draft time. If it had been draft-specific fluff I wouldn't care.

[sig]

I am less suspicious of Colin now though. I don't believe his argument, but I believe he believes it. Starting to feel like a Town/Town argument.

[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine

Why?

linki: Wat?

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] Did you ever answer this?

[sig]

I'm going MU on y'all and posting just a little bit to get my count up instead of making massive posts. I wanna look like I'm playing with a big truck to after all. :P

[Quin]

I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

I think your fluff extended beyond draft time. If it had been draft-specific fluff I wouldn't care.

[sig]

sig is a civilian. Nobody picked him.

Yes, and the Don is an asshole for it.

In hindsight I'm also pretty sure I won a scum game at RYM so if your from RYM that makes you just as big as an asshole.

Right now I'm tinfoiling Mac or Epi is Don, and I want this post here so I can come back and gloat about being right. Then spite kill them at my next opportunity .

[Kenway]

Also, who is Dr. White? Did someone got replaced?

Good question! Take a look and tell me what you think!

Another Rymer? I see Dr. White just joined. I think I've been reading Dr. White's post as DrWilgy's.

[Kenway]

[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine

I'll probably switch later, but I hate that post lynching people since they're from a country when we know civs can rand those countries? Also what if lap is bad, but I'm not you can't assume the host would do something that game breaky first off, second off its a horrible reason to lynch someone as mafia and get away with it.

I also don't like their Dr white question.

One of the role states all scum are from Badguyia. You tell me.

[sig]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

[mention]Kenway[/mention] Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

[TonyStarkPrime]

@Dunya
How’s your Town read on Kenway holding?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

@Kenway Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

I believe you have him mixed with someone else.

[Quin]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

Kenway Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

[mention]Kites[/mention]

[sig]

It just pisses me off that a lot of people, in real life, tend to disregard statistics completely because it's not exact. Those people tend to be easily manipulated by politicians and journalists.

I tend to disregard statistics because so many politicians and journalists just make them up.

statistics are terrible pretty sure I just bombed a test on it. We should ignore anything statistically from now on.

[sig]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

Kenway Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

@Kites

[Kenway]

Spoiler: show

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

@Kenway Can you explain your rainbow list in a little bit more detail please?

I kinda don't trust myself but not enough to lynch me?

[sig]

I've made other mistakes if anybody wants to point them out. I don't give a shit.

Nah I don't care either. I do care who you suspect. Answer sig's question

I saved your ass. I'm not taking order from you. Get lost.

But you didn't answer my question and it was a good question.

[sig]

Spoiler: show

this is what my rainbow looks like without colors, cos some people in the world are colorblind and I believe in shared suffering, but I did break them into groups, I'll be happy to take requests on why but only 2 at a time.

dunya

Kenway

MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay

ColinIsCool
Marmot

sprityo
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
colonialbob

gwilikers6
Kylemii
sig

Iron_Dwarf
Kites
rundontwalk
TonyStarkPrime

Dr. White

rabbit8
lapluie

DrWilgy
Long Con

Quin
nutella

What's the breakdown of this list? Like where does civ start and end ect.

Why do you have LC in scum column?

**** ****** ******* Ring

This was TonyStark’s PM last night. Which lines up perfectly with what happened. If he was scum he probably would have had some other power, but then again it may be a passive one.

How do we know this is real?

Epi's exercise disappointingly resulted in pretty much exactly what I was expecting, and I'm extrapolating nothing from it.

[sig]

btw do those with a power to kill, @sig for instance, plan to use it every night? your role is powerful and scary in wrong hands i think we should know what you’re doing with it

Don't like this post it's fear mongering, also if I talked about my role mafia could just block/protect whoever I targeted. I will use it when I see fit, people in here can suggest to me targets within the first say 10 hours of the night or the previous day phase and I'll decide if I want to target those people or not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm counting your fluff Quin. Stand ready.

[sig]

I like mac's posts, he sounds really genuine here compared to the other game he was just mafia in

That's interesting [mention]lapluie[/mention] is there anything more specific to this or is it all tone?

linki: Why is nobody paying attention to me.

[sig]

Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?

To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.

Why not kill Long Con?

Why kill Long Con?

Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.

SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMSLIP?????

How do you know LC isn't also a civ?

[sig]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[rundontwalk]

this is what my rainbow looks like without colors, cos some people in the world are colorblind and I believe in shared suffering, but I did break them into groups, I'll be happy to take requests on why but only 2 at a time.

dunya

Kenway

MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay

ColinIsCool
Marmot

sprityo
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
colonialbob

gwilikers6
Kylemii
sig

Iron_Dwarf
Kites
rundontwalk
TonyStarkPrime

Dr. White

rabbit8
lapluie

DrWilgy
Long Con

Quin
nutella

I am remarkably low on this list. I'm more town than you are

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

this is what my rainbow looks like without colors, cos some people in the world are colorblind and I believe in shared suffering, but I did break them into groups, I'll be happy to take requests on why but only 2 at a time.

dunya

Kenway

MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay

ColinIsCool
Marmot

sprityo
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
colonialbob

gwilikers6
Kylemii
sig

Iron_Dwarf
Kites
rundontwalk
TonyStarkPrime

Dr. White

rabbit8
lapluie

DrWilgy
Long Con

Quin
nutella

What's the breakdown of this list? Like where does civ start and end ect.

Why do you have LC in scum column?

**** ****** ******* Ring

This was TonyStark’s PM last night. Which lines up perfectly with what happened. If he was scum he probably would have had some other power, but then again it may be a passive one.

How do we know this is real?

Epi's exercise disappointingly resulted in pretty much exactly what I was expecting, and I'm extrapolating nothing from it.

I think I can confirm that that is a censored version of my PM. I guess we could be w/w but we aren’t.

[sig]

[VOTE: FREEDOM, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE] aubergine

Mac's trying to lynch America Imma kill him.

linki: Cool thanks.

[Kenway]

Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?

To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.

Why not kill Long Con?

Why kill Long Con?

Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.

SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMSLIP?????

How do you know LC isn't also a civ?

How did you get that from that post?

[Quin]

I'm counting your fluff Quin. Stand ready.

After you do that, you can tell me what the problem was with the occasional fluff post in every other game I have played on the Syndicate. Thank you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).

[sig]

[quote=dunya post_id=410194 time=1518723116 user_id=446]
I have a full time managerial job in real estate, .[/b]

You should get me an internship I can sell real estate to Swedish people.


AND to sweeten the deal I won't target you this game at all!
WAT did he say at all! yes he did and that's a siguarantee

[sig]

I have a full time managerial job in real estate, .[/b]

You should get me an internship I can sell real estate to Swedish people.


AND to sweeten the deal I won't target you this game at all!
WAT did he say at all! yes he did and that's a siguarantee

[TonyStarkPrime]

I was about to say I was tinfoiling on JJJ, but now I’m not sure what I think

[sig]

Ofc, you always have the outlier, the nerdy brazilian guy who would rather be at home playing games than go out in the summer.

Psh he's wasting his time than.

[sig]

I might have a summer job! I'm going to be interning at a public defender's office.

Ergo I am a good person, ergo I am not Mafia.

Lawyers are all evil though you'd just be a slightly less evil lawyer

[sig]

I might have a summer job! I'm going to be interning at a public defender's office.

Ergo I am a good person, ergo I am not Mafia.

Lawyers are all evil though you'd just be a slightly less evil lawyer

Oh and Congrats! It sounds exciting.

[sig]

who else found Iron_Dwarf's answer about who Jay is making cases about with ping worthy for the fact Dr. White was not mentioned? Possible w/w if we take into consideration Dr. White's random drafting of Iron_Dwarf at the wrong time, then backing off him to Marmot in the end, when I_D was still available?

Agreed.

[Quin]

Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).

This was more open minded than I expected. Thanks.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This was more open minded than I expected. Thanks.

Now I want to lynch you for quoting the whole thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Meanwhile, let's kill Dr. White. Or Iron_Dwarf.

[Quin]

I'll let you describe mechanics posts as fluff, but I do have some issues with what you've pointed out. I'll explain them.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll let you describe mechanics posts as fluff, but I do have some issues with what you've pointed out. I'll explain them.

I'm sure interpretations will vary.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad

Just for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.

[sig]

I'm caught up :O Amazing
SO

Current civ reads worth noting
Epi
Dunya
Maybe JJJ still tinfoiling here


I don't want to lynch:
TSP
Nutella

I'm looking at
Kenway, for their last post which they haven't addressed yet
Kites, for the random rainbow list and fearmongering
Mac, since he seems like mafia
Iron Dwarf, Dunya gave some good reasoning
Long Con
and Marmot, I want him to answer my questions.


Also besides Quin's post being mainly fluff is there any other reason he might be mafia?

[Quin]

I'll let you describe mechanics posts as fluff, but I do have some issues with what you've pointed out. I'll explain them.

I'm sure interpretations will vary.

I imagine that's why you added them in the first place. Two to be reviewed though.

Spoiler: show

JJJ: sorry, I erased a sentence in there and didn’t ever rephrase it. Your assertions of being super town and huge level of activity (note: dunya also has earned this vibe) seem sketchy. I’ve seen in almost every game I’ve ever played that mafioso/anti-town who wants to be a leader and it’s an automatic flag from me.

On mobile but let me dig up the posts re: your second point.

Meet JaggedJimmyJay. His early roleplay was a treat though

I disagreed that your presenting yourself as super town was suspicious. "Meet JaggedJimmyJay" was me saying that town leader is essentially what you are as a player.

hey Quin, I'm still waiting on your 3 contributions.

I feel like a teacher who found a slacking student in the hallway.

Keep waiting. I'm home schooled.

dunya told me the content I'd provided at the time didn't count as "unique insight" or something and demanded more. I didn't care for her argument or demands.

[Epignosis]

dunya, I didn't mean for any of that to sound insulting, and I wasn't judging your personal life. Far from it! I am baffled by how you are able to keep up with everything, not just post a great deal. I know I am a slow reader, and that I like to take my time processing things. I just don't know how you do both so quickly. My mind doesn't function like that, regardless of alignment. And I never thought about you living in Arendelle- that makes a lot of sense.