yeah dude you're magical as fuck
apparently not, though once you promote to mage knight or valkyrie you will. unless it's based on the other list.And does that mean I get some say over whether sig can act?
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of course not?Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:49 pmI didn't say to kill Long Con silly.sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:59 pmSCUMMMMMMMMMMMMSLIP?????Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:35 amWhy kill Long Con?
Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.
How do you know LC isn't also a civ?
I have no memory of what you are saying.Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:26 pmWeren't you the one in Death Note who dissected every single one of the 100+ of DharmaHelper's posts, categorized them, and determined that he was hence not civilian?Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pmThis is a fluff post. You felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic? You are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:04 pm Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.
As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.
He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.
I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046
10 posts.
These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492
7 posts.
63 - 10 - 7 = 46
This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.
A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).
This stinks.
Both mafia. If they’re both mafia can they all be mafia? Of Bob and DDL I’m slightly more suspicious of DDL but I can’t read Bob and that psychs me into giving him a null read
Wait I’m totally lost.
No, I don't think that. I think that he is more likely to look more productive is he is civilian, and since I have seen less effort from him I think he is not exhibiting his usual civ meta and thus I suspect him.
So then sig is only adjacent to lapluie, who is neither bow nor magical. Solved.
Because there be liars up in this piece.
I asked why to which part. If it's why rabbit, yes I've answered it a couple times.sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 pmsig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:03 amWhy?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:33 pm I am less suspicious of Colin now though. I don't believe his argument, but I believe he believes it. Starting to feel like a Town/Town argument.
[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine
linki: Wat?
@colonialbob Did you ever answer this?
i just wanted to know if you targeted anyone last night, dunya asking the same and no i don’t think we should know who you are targeting before the night comessig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:56 pmDon't like this post it's fear mongering, also if I talked about my role mafia could just block/protect whoever I targeted. I will use it when I see fit, people in here can suggest to me targets within the first say 10 hours of the night or the previous day phase and I'll decide if I want to target those people or not.
i went through all ISOs and gave everyone a color based on how i felt about them. for the most suspicious people i gave an explanation, if you want more details on someone specifically, just ask
Wait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.
I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.
If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.
please do, it’s about time yall acknowledged my presenceJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pmJust for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:14 pm I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.
1. Kites is bad
In a perfect universe, it would be a degree of zero. In the real world, it would be a minimal degree -- accounting for individual differences (Wilgy will by nature have more fluff than the average player). I'd have guessed more than half of Quin's non-draft day posts were of the fluff sort, because I could not distinctly remember much of anything he'd said. That's why I went digging.
At the end of the day phase, I found myself questioning nutellas voters more than she was herself, poking at arguments that I didn't find completely compelling in her stead. She was present to argue for herself, and I felt she was letting me do it. Upon coming to this realization, I stopped doing so. I considered my suspicion of Quin, that he wasn't putting much meat in his posts. It wasn't substantive. The case against nutella, even if not entirely agreeable, was more substantive. I trusted the people trying to lynch her. I decided to join them.
No it isn't. Multiple players have been accusing Quin of the same thing, but nobody had actually provided a case. They were assertions thrown into the thread. I was among them, because my perception matched theirs. Quin suggested it wasn't accurate, so I took it upon myself to check him on that. If nobody does that and Quin a civilian, then any civilians making that accusation are doing a disservice to their team if they don't make a better effort. I made a better effort.
That took about eight minutes to compile. My energy expenditure is efficient.
Green -- nah. If a player truly does load a post history with junk, it's a bad thing. Whether Quin was truly guilty of that is the question, not whether fluff is perfectly okay.Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pmYou are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.
As before: kiss my ass.
and fearmongering? a little fear does good for everyone, it’s not like i’m tryna get you lynched for having the power. i will promote to sniper if i live long enough, potentially gaining a power to kill too, how do you feel about that, fear? i damn well hope soKites wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:12 ami just wanted to know if you targeted anyone last night, dunya asking the same and no i don’t think we should know who you are targeting before the night comessig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:56 pmDon't like this post it's fear mongering, also if I talked about my role mafia could just block/protect whoever I targeted. I will use it when I see fit, people in here can suggest to me targets within the first say 10 hours of the night or the previous day phase and I'll decide if I want to target those people or not.
Ok I just did for fun and you look fairly neutral/leaning civ. I especially like your thoughts on colonialbob. However I do have some questions regarding your stance on Dr. White. You (a) drafted his role, (b) listed him as one of your don picks, as one of two "random" non-rymers, and (c) placed him as a top town read in your rainbow. I don't think I saw any reason given for that town read. Can you elaborate on this and what do you think of the cases that have been raised against Dr. White?Kites wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:39 amplease do, it’s about time yall acknowledged my presenceJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pmJust for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:14 pm I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.
1. Kites is bad
"Disgusting"JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:35 am nutella keeps operating in my shadow. So unfortunate.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
There is not much else than this to it. It's seeing way too much in nothing. We are talking about someone who had a 50/50 choice in a confusing draft phase. This is textbook gaslighting.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:22 pmOk, so I can't be bothered to go back and look this up, but I've seen it referenced a few times. Did Dr. White try to draft Iron Dwarf at a random time when it was not his turn to choose, and then a long time later draft a different player? Cuz if that's the case I don't see there actually being much to it cuz the rest of us were just picking based off who was active at the time anyway. Am I missing something?dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:18 pm who else found Iron_Dwarf's answer about who Jay is making cases about with ping worthy for the fact Dr. White was not mentioned? Possible w/w if we take into consideration Dr. White's random drafting of Iron_Dwarf at the wrong time, then backing off him to Marmot in the end, when I_D was still available?
The both of you just throw out a vote without any sufficient explanation and people are not calling you out for this?rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 pmJJJ deserves his chance to wiggle out of this onegwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:43 pmPlease share with the class.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:41 pm AUBERGINE
[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine
I know what you did last night
Nutella, you are acting really opportunistic. You were on to Quin and suddenly after JJJ tries to start a hunt on me you switch priorities.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pmok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?
My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase
I always keep my posts concise. A wall of text is not my M.O. I disagree that I did not take concrete stances. For instance, I did take a position on Epi on day 0.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pmDr. White is my top suspect. Iron_Dwarf is a pet suspect. They are unrelated. I don't have the time right now to provide a substantive case, but I may later tonight. Succinctly: I see a number of reads he has made which only barely qualify as "reads". Either no concrete stance is taken or a stance is supported with total vagueness. There's a lot of potential for fake hunting.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pmok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?
My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase
As I've already mentioned, one of the role cards explicitly states that all scum are from Badguyia.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:33 amWait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.
I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.
If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.
[VOTE: kenway] aubergine
Mage-bud, the armies on the front page likely don't directly correspond to place of birth. we don't really know what they mean yet, and lynching a vigilante or pseudo cop isn't the best way to find out. Not to mention the fact that lynching either of them wouldn't even reveal their nationality anyways. It's not a good plan.Kenway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:08 amAs I've already mentioned, one of the role cards explicitly states that all scum are from Badguyia.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:33 amWait are you advocating the position that on D1 the mod publicly outed two mafia members and 3 townies?Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.
I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.
If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.
[VOTE: kenway] aubergine
Agree with the assessment, disagree with the Kenway read.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:53 pmThis has "ploy" written all over it. I don't know for sure if those two are scum/town but I really don't think that's what's going on in that post, there could be scum in any of the homelands and townies in any of them as well. And I'm not really sure if it's in a mafia vig's best interests to keep quiet for the time being, don't you think this would be the period in the game where it's easiest to get away with mistakenly killing a townie? If I had that role as a scum I'd be trying to thin the ranks, quickly, self-preservation be damned. I think a lot of us were expecting another death today, and it's not like if it had been two townies we'd suddenly be coming at sig with torches and pitchforks. Sorry Kenway but I'm not buying this.Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.
I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.
If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.
Explain.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:19 pmLol yeah you're his teammateQuin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 pm Dr. White posts I have issues with:
Spoiler: showThis is hopefully the post he's talking about:Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
A reads list by any criteria is appreciated on Day 0. I dislike White's condemnation of it without actually looking into it first. I'm pinged by his criticism of Mac for contributing what he did given that he was on holiday..
I still maintain that Dr.White entered with a sort of authoritative style, and for a player having his first game on another site, I'd say that's unlikely for scum. These two posts aren't great though. Lean town.
Your chief concern is that I'm voting you over lapluie when I've got beef with you both. Explain to me why I should be voting her over you.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:02 amNo, I don't think that. I think that he is more likely to look more productive is he is civilian, and since I have seen less effort from him I think he is not exhibiting his usual civ meta and thus I suspect him.
Besides, after doing that exercise, I wouldn't even say that's the chief reason I suspect him right now. Read the last line of my post; that point is more concerning to me.
So then sig is only adjacent to lapluie, who is neither bow nor magical. Solved.
I'm town reading DDL and I don't care about bob.
They are a pain to process, aren't they?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:36 pm I put 9 misdirectors in this game (that you know about) because I hate myself.