Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Epignosis]

You said me and DDF are partners. You're not voting for me or DDF. Voting for JJJ does nothing to provide evidence of this alleged partnership.

You don't actually believe we are partners, and the question is why?

How does voting for DDL (not DDF, as you keep saying) provide evidence that you are partners with him?

[rundontwalk]

You said me and DDF are partners. You're not voting for me or DDF. Voting for JJJ does nothing to provide evidence of this alleged partnership.

You don't actually believe we are partners, and the question is why?

How does voting for DDL (not DDF, as you keep saying) provide evidence that you are partners with him?

If you think we're partners then the answer is obvious

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

[rundontwalk]

Yo [mention]Dr. White[/mention], let's vote out Epi

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention]

[Epignosis]

You said me and DDF are partners. You're not voting for me or DDF. Voting for JJJ does nothing to provide evidence of this alleged partnership.

You don't actually believe we are partners, and the question is why?

How does voting for DDL (not DDF, as you keep saying) provide evidence that you are partners with him?

If you think we're partners then the answer is obvious

No, it isn't obvious.

You are accusing me of not believing what I am saying. I am not going to be pressured into voting either one of you because of that. I will vote as I please.

[Epignosis]

Yo @Dr. White, let's vote out Epi

@JaggedJimmyJay @MacDougall @nutella

Fine.
[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

[Dr. White]

Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

Who is rdw?

[rundontwalk]

Yo @Dr. White, let's vote out Epi

@JaggedJimmyJay @MacDougall @nutella

Fine.
[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Lol. How easily your vote can be manipulated.

[Epignosis]

Yo @Dr. White, let's vote out Epi

@JaggedJimmyJay @MacDougall @nutella

Fine.
[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Lol. How easily your vote can be manipulated.

Oh, so now you're manipulating me? You think too highly of your abilities.

[rundontwalk]

Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

Who is rdw?

He's a great guy. You'd like him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll build a basic case on Epignosis:

His exercise had potential, but in the end was not used to its potential. The primary message still ended up surrounding the players who were named the most frequently. This is meaningless given the conditions of the choices are very different for X civilian responding to Epignosis in the game thread and Y mafia don responding to Jack behind the scenes. His own picks were fake. dunya said hers probably weren't representative of what she'd really do. I doubt my picks are either. With more time to think about it -- clearly as would be possible and prudent in the real scenario -- the choices are more strategic and nuanced. I suspect this applies to numerous civilians.

The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilians on drafted players from the drafters.

His role ability was to prevent a lynch. I believe this. He said himself that he thought he was threatened and used it early given that he might not have time to use it later. This leaves room for him to have saved himself, at least by intention, as a mafioso. The civilian possibility is as real as the mafia possibility, but it's a bad reason to give him credit.

He is now shitting in my Corn Flakes for going after "easy targets" all the while casting suspicion upon the guy who says whatever the hell he wants in every post. RDW makes himself an easy target by design, and it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a mafioso try to capitalize on that. It was a common mistake in RYM games. Anyone who wants to cast suspicion on RDW wouldn't struggle to find ways of doing so in his posts, because his posts are all over the place. They are always all over the place.

[Kylemii]

Mafia is not a children's game lol

it is, it's played in scout camps, but that's also not really the point

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

Who is rdw?

rundontwalk, Epi's current dance partner.

[Epignosis]

Hey, this is neat:

Not Princess Epi's Lovable Trio of Adventuring
Epignosis - Troubadour
MacDougall - Fighter 1
sprityo - Cleric

Am I allowed to call MacDougall and sprityo my bitches?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilian reads on drafted players from the drafters.

Correction

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is like the most confusing soap opera ever.

[Epignosis]

I'll build a basic case on Epignosis:

His exercise had potential, but in the end was not used to its potential. The primary message still ended up surrounding the players who were named the most frequently. This is meaningless given the conditions of the choices are very different for X civilian responding to Epignosis in the game thread and Y mafia don responding to Jack behind the scenes. His own picks were fake. dunya said hers probably weren't representative of what she'd really do. I doubt my picks are either. With more time to think about it -- clearly as would be possible and prudent in the real scenario -- the choices are more strategic and nuanced. I suspect this applies to numerous civilians.

The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilians on drafted players from the drafters.

His role ability was to prevent a lynch. I believe this. He said himself that he thought he was threatened and used it early given that he might not have time to use it later. This leaves room for him to have saved himself, at least by intention, as a mafioso. The civilian possibility is as real as the mafia possibility, but it's a bad reason to give him credit.

He is now shitting in my Corn Flakes for going after "easy targets" all the while casting suspicion upon the guy who says whatever the hell he wants in every post. RDW makes himself an easy target by design, and it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a mafioso try to capitalize on that. It was a common mistake in RYM games. Anyone who wants to cast suspicion on RDW wouldn't struggle to find ways of doing so in his posts, because his posts are all over the place. They are always all over the place.

That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Tell me what you've done with that thing since you initially posted the "results".

[nutella]

Dr. White's schoolyard insults and his attempts to leave a legacy are civilian-indicative. I suggest votes start moving.

I just might move mine. I agree with you that Dr. White's recent posts are looking more civ.

I was skeptical of the push on RDW since he was one of my early top civ reads, until this post:

But my point is I'm not mafia which makes me question your scumdar which in turn makes me wonder if you are scum if your scumdar is this broken

Super town JJJ wouldn't be wasting his time on me run when you've got people like Kites who are more obviously likely to be scum

"people like Kites who are more obviously likely to be scum" wtf is that. what. the fuck. is that. that's an absolute garbage sentence. "Disgusting."

*finishes reading last two pages* yeah he comes out of this exchange looking much worse than anyone else imo.

AUBERGINE
[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

[nutella]

oh whoa the aubergine appears automatically with the tags that's cool [mention]Marmot[/mention]

[rundontwalk]

Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Here's what I know for certain:

You counted the results and then turned them into a lengthy dissection, not only perpetrated by you but inspired by you, of my content -- 100% certain to be civilian, and dunya's content -- the most likely civilian in the game other than me. I know my own perspective isn't shared among the masses, but I am confident that a lot of time was wasted on that.

[Dr. White]

Mafia is not a children's game lol

it is, it's played in scout camps, but that's also not really the point

They usually play werewolf, not actual mafia. Not to mention by your definition nearly all sports, chess, gymnastics, and a bunch other things are all "for kids".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who feels like an easy lapluie lynch?

The grin is for fun, but I am serious. That's an option I would consider.

[rundontwalk]

[mention]nutella[/mention] what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

[Epignosis]

That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Tell me what you've done with that thing since you initially posted the "results".

I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

[nutella]

AUBERGINE

[4] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime, Iron_Dwarf
[1] Iron_Dwarf - gwilikers6
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob
[3] rundontwalk - JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis, nutella
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[3] Dr. White - MacDougall, ColinIsCool, speedchuck
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin
[1] Epignosis - rundontwalk

No vote: Dr. White, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

40 minutes

[Dr. White]

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

[TonyStarkPrime]

Who feels like an easy lapluie lynch?

The grin is for fun, but I am serious. That's an option I would consider.

I’d actually maybe be down for that.

[nutella]

@nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

I don't think you did

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions do need to be related. Why should they be?

[nutella]

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions don't need to be related. Why should they be?

[colonialbob]

That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Tell me what you've done with that thing since you initially posted the "results".

I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Hey woah I may not have scumread dunya but i've hardly been 'dunya townfirm 4eva', I've poked and questioned her.

(I also said I'd draft random, because I would, but eh.)

[rundontwalk]

@nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

I don't think you did

Yes I did.

Dude says me and DDL are partners. Votes for someone else.

Ummmm what?

[Epignosis]

I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions do need to be related. Why should they be?

ffs

You said my exercise had applications. What did you get out of it?

[nutella]

@nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

I don't think you did

Yes I did.

Dude says me and DDL are partners. Votes for someone else.

Ummmm what?

He thinks your alignments are tied, but he may suspect someone else more. Makes total sense. Anyway his vote is on you now, you happy?

[colonialbob]

[VOTE: dr. white] aubergine

Personally still like Iron_Dwarf over Dr. White but I have to also worry about myself.

[Epignosis]

@nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

"force Epi"



Hold on...



I just...

[nutella]

AUBERGINE

[4] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime, Iron_Dwarf
[1] Iron_Dwarf - gwilikers6
[1] Marmot - sig
[3] rundontwalk - JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis, nutella
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] Dr. White - MacDougall, ColinIsCool, speedchuck, colonialbob
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin
[1] Epignosis - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Dr. White

No vote: [mention]Kenway[/mention], [mention]Kylemii[/mention], [mention]lapluie[/mention], [mention]Long Con[/mention] you have 35 minutes

[rundontwalk]

@nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

I don't think you did

Yes I did.

Dude says me and DDL are partners. Votes for someone else.

Ummmm what?

He thinks your alignments are tied, but he may suspect someone else more. Makes total sense. Anyway his vote is on you now, you happy?

I think his vote on me makes a hell of a lot more sense given his theory. It bothered me he didn't vote for me

[Epignosis]

I voted for JJJ after a moment of intensity, and rundontwalk thinks I completely abandoned my entire theory, and that he is forcing me to go back to my theory.

Unreal. Amusing, but unreal.

[Dr. White]

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

why?

I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.

[colonialbob]

AUBERGINE

[4] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime, Iron_Dwarf
[1] Iron_Dwarf - gwilikers6
[1] Marmot - sig
[3] rundontwalk - JaggedJimmyJay, Epignosis, nutella
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[4] Dr. White - MacDougall, ColinIsCool, speedchuck, colonialbob
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin
[1] Epignosis - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Dr. White

No vote: Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

[colonialbob]

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

why?

I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.

Why was it weak reasoning, besides the fact that you don't agree with it?

[nutella]

I could go for lapluie if that's on the table. As it stands it is between cbob and Dr. White, and I'd prefer to lynch the latter but I prefer rdw over either if he can still get enough votes. My preference out of the likely candidates at the moment would be rundontwalk > lapluie > Dr. White > colonialbob. I dunno what happened to lynching Quin though

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, what concern do you have if any about the likelihood that X Don would draft Dr. White given that he is the least-known commodity in the game?

Also makes him viable for the same reason.

[colonialbob]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] where's your mind at right now?

[Kylemii]

They usually play werewolf, not actual mafia. Not to mention by your definition nearly all sports, chess, gymnastics, and a bunch other things are all "for kids".

yeah you're right those are some other really good examples of games designed for children that are often played by adults

the point that there's no reason to ever involve feelings or put other people down in any of those activities, stands perfectly well. they're all games meant to be played for fun and enjoyment, unless you're being payed to do one of them, at which point suffering is acceptable.

[nutella]

Yep I'm good with this for now
VOTE LYNCH NUTELLA

why?

I mentioned suspciions about you earlier so you can read up on those two, and you seem to be going eith whatever lynch is easy like me and mac. You went for extremely low hanging fruit on my lynch and were the only one to ask me multiple times about why i gave my role to iron dwarf which was extremely weak reasoning. So imo you were trying to oush that angle for my lynch.

I was not the only one to talk about the draft issue. In fact I'm pretty sure dunya brought it up first.