Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Jackofhearts2005]

What would mafia be if we didn't mislynch innocent people from time to time

Just as frustrating as it is now only the opposite way.

[MacDougall]

What about Kites? ColonalBon? There's got to be a reason they wasted TSP. I am choosing to presume the obvious this time.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What would mafia be if we didn't mislynch innocent people from time to time

Just as frustrating as it is now only the opposite way.

...

QUICK, analyse what this means about the current lynch!

[Kylemii]

so the general assumption is that baddie background powers would replace the mafia's regular cover background powers right?

what about cases in which 2 roles have links? like for example kite's claimed background power where his target can be misdirected if they target their long lost brother? would that if true, guarantee that Wilgy would indeed have the long lost brother background? or would that ability proc simply because Wilgy is the player that would have been the long lost brother in question.

or even further, what about players with even more classically linked roles? for example, if there were a masonic pair and one of the pair were mafia then.... would one of the masons just not be allowed to actually show up in btsc, since the part of their role that had btsc is for fake claiming, or would the mafia mason member be allowed access to the btsc as well as their regular mafia background power? how would that type of situation resolve?

[Marmot]

Sorry for the lack of activity as of late.

I'll be around to lynch some scum tomorrow morning.

[Quin]

speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
sig
rundontwalk
Kenway
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Kylemii
Kites
DrWilgy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
colonialbob
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
sprityo
lapluie
MacDougall
Quin

Urgh, I keep cycling the bottom 6 of this list in random order. More confident in the top of the list.

I don't have a whole lot of time today, thus the readlist, but I can elaborate on a few of these.

elaborate on me pls

[Quin]

This was my exact result btw: “**f*** *m ** - s*g”

I was drunk last night and working now so I haven’t put the slightest effort into decoding it. Have at it.

Soften 'em up. It corroborates I think Kites (?) who said they boosted sig's kill chance. I obviously didn't do that, so you were misdirected or something.

yeah but why is kites giving his scum reads an extra chance to kill?

feels at the moment:
I’m comfortable around:
ColinIsCool
Dr. White
dunya
JJJ
Long Con
MacDougall
Marmot
Neutral:
DDL
gwilikers6
Kylemii
rdw
sprityo
Hmmmm... :
Iron_Dwarf
Kenway
nutella
rabbit8: the longer he’s gone the more I think he’s just not interested in this game
sig
TonyStarkPrime
Confused:
Epignosis - pls start giving reads on people, I’ll leave you alone for now tho
lapluie - post more
Quin - you gotta do more to redeem yourself
Bad feeling:
colonialbob - changed his votes frequently, almost exclusively between inactive people to invite them to talk - afraid to be responsible for false lynch?
DrWilgy - no useful content, weird dunya vote and no explanation

I hope I did the colors right

[mention]Kites[/mention] do you no longer suspect sig? why?

[colonialbob]

Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.

Why not just vig me then?

sig

Still [mention]sig[/mention]

[colonialbob]

Who pushed this lap cfd

Mostly jay but I fully supported it as well. I think cbob and white are likely civ and I think lap is likely mafia.

If you think lap is mafia why did the rest of us only have 10 minutes under duress to make a call on it?

Right..? This is what I don't understand, nutella would do anything for an easy lynch to save herself, got fresher fish to fry & as I've been absent they'd take full advantage of that.

AUBERGINE

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

No vote: Dr. White, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

colonialbob yep she was.

Yeah the first post was from d2 while the vote count is from d1. Nutella was never in danger yesterday. Your argument is terrible.

[sig]

Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.

Why not just vig me then?

sig

Still @sig
[/quo[mention]sig[/mention]

I answered this didn't I?

Wilgy was a better target, we get more info from lynching you plus town was very divided on you so I figured it was better to leave it up to mob rule.

[colonialbob]

Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.

Why not just vig me then?

sig

Still sig

I answered this didn't I?

Wilgy was a better target, we get more info from lynching you plus town was very divided on you so I figured it was better to leave it up to mob rule.

Why was Wilgy a better target?

[MacDougall]

Who pushed this lap cfd

Mostly jay but I fully supported it as well. I think cbob and white are likely civ and I think lap is likely mafia.

If you think lap is mafia why did the rest of us only have 10 minutes under duress to make a call on it?

Right..? This is what I don't understand, nutella would do anything for an easy lynch to save herself, got fresher fish to fry & as I've been absent they'd take full advantage of that.

AUBERGINE

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

No vote: Dr. White, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

colonialbob yep she was.

Yeah the first post was from d2 while the vote count is from d1. Nutella was never in danger yesterday. Your argument is terrible.

Is she scum for it?

[Long Con]

I find it amusing you spent how long basically complaining people post to much, your not as good as ppl think, ect thenjump on the easiest wagon possible to try tp lynch a player who you know is oftem mislynched on stupid shit.

1. How long did I spend complaining? I just went through my 130 posts and found two instances where I said something like "X pages behind, catching up now" or something to that effect. Couldn't find a single instance of me complaining people post too much. Maybe you can help me out here, sig, since you say I've spent too much time complaining.

2. I'm not as good as people think. That's a proven fact, over and over. Me jumping on the easiest wagon should only reinforce that fact in your mind.

3. Ok, fine. I'll put you as green on my rainbow list, and if you are bad, then I never want to hear any crap about how I shouldn't suspect you due to how often you are mislynched.

UNVOTE: SIG AUBERGINE

Well this takes the winds out of my sails.

Also I disagree on point 2 it seems scummy and I don't know how I feel about you removing your vote, it seemed like you did it to easily?

But is that what scum Long Con does?

[sig]

Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.

Why not just vig me then?

sig

Still sig

I answered this didn't I?

Wilgy was a better target, we get more info from lynching you plus town was very divided on you so I figured it was better to leave it up to mob rule.

Why was Wilgy a better target?

He was inactive, but wasn't very civvie while he was active, and the chances of him being lynched was slim. I also figured out of my scummiest players he was the least likely to be protected by teammates. I'll have to switch up my strategy a bit now, but we'll see what happens.

[Long Con]

so the general assumption is that baddie background powers would replace the mafia's regular cover background powers right?

But why would Mafia need regular background powers then? They could make one up, couldn't they? My background is that I can't target or be targeted by players from Neutralia, but I could easily say that my powers can't be blocked or misdirected on nights with a multiple of 3.

[Long Con]

Lap isn't a high poster, however after playing a few games with her I'm reading her as civ. I also really dislike the cfd onto her. I think it was an attempt to save bob who should be lynched post haste tomorrow.

Why not just vig me then?

sig

Still sig

I answered this didn't I?

Wilgy was a better target, we get more info from lynching you plus town was very divided on you so I figured it was better to leave it up to mob rule.

Why was Wilgy a better target?

He was inactive, but wasn't very civvie while he was active, and the chances of him being lynched was slim. I also figured out of my scummiest players he was the least likely to be protected by teammates. I'll have to switch up my strategy a bit now, but we'll see what happens.

Oh crap, you're going to try and kill me now, aren't you?

[MacDougall]

Let's get some votes going. Long Con, who are your top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads?

[colonialbob]

Who pushed this lap cfd

Mostly jay but I fully supported it as well. I think cbob and white are likely civ and I think lap is likely mafia.

If you think lap is mafia why did the rest of us only have 10 minutes under duress to make a call on it?

Right..? This is what I don't understand, nutella would do anything for an easy lynch to save herself, got fresher fish to fry & as I've been absent they'd take full advantage of that.

AUBERGINE

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

No vote: Dr. White, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

colonialbob yep she was.

Yeah the first post was from d2 while the vote count is from d1. Nutella was never in danger yesterday. Your argument is terrible.

Is she scum for it?

It's such an easily debunked argument that I want to say no, but I could see a scum who hadn't read the whole thread getting excited about making a case and not double checking their timestamps. It makes me think scum.

[rundontwalk]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] why did you want JJJ to kill me, a town bodyguard?

[sprityo]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] can you refresh me on why you’re voting JJJ?

[Epignosis]

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

[rundontwalk]

@MacDougall can you refresh me on why you’re voting JJJ?

I think nutella, Kites, iron_dwarf, colonialbob better candidates. If there's not at least 2 scum in that group then I'm retiring.

[Long Con]

Top 3 Town:
nutella
MacDougall
Dragon D. Luffy

Top 3 Scum:
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii -
rundontwalk

Really tough to say at this point. Hard to make these list, scum being harder. I don't feel a lot of solid reads at this point.

[Long Con]

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

Jeez, a tad overdefensive, aren't you?

[sprityo]

[quote=sprityo post_id=412291 time=<a href="tel:1519097556">1519097556</a> user_id=458]
@MacDougall can you refresh me on why you’re voting JJJ?

I think nutella, Kites, iron_dwarf, colonialbob better candidates. If there's not at least 2 scum in that group then I'm retiring.
[/quote]

I’m not sure on Kites. Nutella and Iron Dwarf are being berated enough by everyone else and I’m sure they could get lynched without my hand in the matter. And I don’t think Cbob looks bad, at least in my recent knowledge

And is your name MacDougall?

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

I’ll leave that there for now

[rundontwalk]

Top 3 Town:
nutella
MacDougall
Dragon D. Luffy

Top 3 Scum:
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii -
rundontwalk

Really tough to say at this point. Hard to make these list, scum being harder. I don't feel a lot of solid reads at this point.

I shouldn't even be in your top 20 scum candidates. I'm innocent.

[sprityo]

FUCk my life like the awful mess it is

I hate phone posting

[rundontwalk]

[quote=sprityo post_id=412291 time=<a href="tel:1519097556">1519097556</a> user_id=458]
@MacDougall can you refresh me on why you’re voting JJJ?

I think nutella, Kites, iron_dwarf, colonialbob better candidates. If there's not at least 2 scum in that group then I'm retiring.

I’m not sure on Kites. Nutella and Iron Dwarf are being berated enough by everyone else and I’m sure they could get lynched without my hand in the matter. And I don’t think Cbob looks bad, at least in my recent knowledge

And is your name MacDougall?

[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

I’ll leave that there for now
[/quote]
I'm literally not scum.

[rundontwalk]

I will die so that other town might live tho

[rundontwalk]

It's so obvious to me that I'm town it hurts when others can't see it.

[rundontwalk]

And after you get done murdering me plz kill Iron Dwarf. I think I hit a nerve with my 4 names

[Epignosis]

more juicy cases.

The problem with your mindset is here.

I understand it; I don't fault you for it; it's okay.

I didn't see a single juicy case on Days 1 or 2. The juiciest case I felt existed was my own case on Dr. White, until it was no longer juicy. I maintain that Day 2 was barely better than an extension of Day 2. No lynches are garbage unless they provide conclusive alignment intelligence on the player who didn't die. Y'all can exchange your juicy cases as much as you like, but I think they've been crap. I am now being subject to one of them.

Civilians are bad at this.

This game has been, until recently as I have faded to the background and dunya was replaced, a hurricane. Mafia members can't keep up as easily with a hurricane as civilians. So lynch a slacker. I say it every game these days when they move anywhere near this quickly. Nobody listens to me. I've nearly always been right. Mortal Kombat was an arguable exception, though the civilians were blind in the end of that one to some obvious tells anyway. Because they're bad at this.

Easy targets? You're damned right. That means nothing about alignment. Lynching me instead is objectively foolish under these conditions when such a long game is ahead of us for various other possibilities to show themselves (I manage to clear myself as I often seem to, the mafia kill me for you, or a mafia flip qualifies reads on me beyond terrible meta reads which have no bearing on reality). If I had more fire, I might argue it harder. I don't.

Later in the phase I'll give more useful reads. I'm letting this day phase develop mostly without me.

Objectively foolish? On what grounds?

Why are you objectively preferable for getting the civilians the win than anybody else? What does the long game have to do with it?

Why can't I judge you on the basis of what you have done?

Your cases are weak.
Your cases are against easy-to-lynch people.
Your case against me was half-hearted and looked like a pointless exercise.
Your criticism of my exercise was not genuine (you said it had more than one potential uses, and yet you, on your own, never talked about those- instead you criticized mine).

Also, I am not interested in a single emotional plea you have made. Not one.

For fuck's sake. I'M NOT MAFIA.

Please fucking listen to me

I am absolutely gutted if I am the only one in this thread still.

I'm going to tell you right now. I can forgive people for making the wrong choice. That's just how the game works.

I can't forgive people leaving the thread behind with 20 minutes to spare when I am still here.

Absolute crickets. Unbelievable.

Congratulations, mafia.

I guess this isn't surprising. I am always terrified of the idea of making it to a final LyLo as a civilian because I am by default a tinfoil magnet just for being me. This is the second time this shit has happened to me this year.

My final answer is Hotel for mafia. This guy does fuck all for the entire LyLo, returns to the thread and basically concedes, and now he's probably going to win.

Sometimes this game is truly infuriating.

I tried the best I could. Sorry civs.

[Long Con]

Top 3 Town:
nutella
MacDougall
Dragon D. Luffy

Top 3 Scum:
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii -
rundontwalk

Really tough to say at this point. Hard to make these list, scum being harder. I don't feel a lot of solid reads at this point.

I shouldn't even be in your top 20 scum candidates. I'm innocent.

Hey, don't lose hope. I haven't voted you yet, and I'm a sucker for a plea like you just did.

[Epignosis]

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

Jeez, a tad overdefensive, aren't you?

Always and forever against strawmen and long cons.

[Epignosis]

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

I didn't dare to ask this myself.

What a missed opportunity... Epignosis would have Civ-cleared you.

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and is very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

Iron Dwarf is reading.

Jeez, a tad overdefensive, aren't you?

In all seriousness:

Explain how this is "over-defensive." You act like the ONLY reason I called lapluie a civilian was because she asked what the damn eggplant thing was. That wasn't the only reason I provided.

[Long Con]

Aw, I was just kiddin' around anyway.

Linki: Yessssss

[Long Con]

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

[Epignosis]

Dear Quin,

I commented on lapluie already, that MK had a substantially lower rate of posts than this one, and that she had civilian BTSC in MK, which, in my experience, encourages activity.

I understand that lazy cases can be right. When I say lazy, I mean that there was little thought put into the accusation. For example, this game will eclipse Mortal Kombat's post count by Day 3. It shouldn't take much to consider that keeping up with 424 posts per phase is easier than keeping up with 1,160 posts per phase.

So when I say 3J is being "lazy," I mean it looks like he's putting a lot of effort into suspecting people, but so many of his points can be dismissed with easy counterarguments. And he's gunning for what I consider to be lynches hardly anybody is going to argue against. I find that problematic.

I understand, but if her low activity isn't suspicious, there's still something in disappearing off the face of the earth that's inherently noteworthy. She did say that she wasn't here because of moving and getting internet set up, so I no longer think it's a worthwhile argument to be made, but that's in hindsight. I don't blame anyone for making the point. Earlier I said that lapluie is using her struggle to get involved in the game as a crutch. What do you think about that?

I'll ask again too, do you think 3J is neglecting to make thoughtful arguments?

Neglecting? I think he is making bullshit arguments. I don't know if that counts as neglect. I have a hard time believing 3J is believing the stuff he is writing.

[sprityo]

[mention]rundontwalk[/mention] what’s your suspicion on cbob?

I read his last two pages of his ISO and there’s nothing damning that he’s said. Nothing to point to mafia behavior because it would seem he’s been on the defensive as of recent.

[Epignosis]

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

Got drunk, cussed a lot in here, and went to bed.

[sprityo]

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

A Pretty princess party

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
sig
rundontwalk
Kenway
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Kylemii
Kites
DrWilgy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
colonialbob
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
sprityo
lapluie
MacDougall
Quin

Urgh, I keep cycling the bottom 6 of this list in random order. More confident in the top of the list.

I don't have a whole lot of time today, thus the readlist, but I can elaborate on a few of these.

elaborate on me pls

I'll do more tomorrow, but you know how I read you as town every time that you're town, and quickly? From Phenon to... Mountain mafia was it?

I'm not seeing that genuine town-tone Quin... that genuQuin.

[rundontwalk]

@rundontwalk what’s your suspicion on cbob?

I read his last two pages of his ISO and there’s nothing damning that he’s said. Nothing to point to mafia behavior because it would seem he’s been on the defensive as of recent.

I don't understand why he's alive

If he knew he wouldn't die then maybe that post of his after the supposed lynch where he lamented having a great town role could be some kickass wifom

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

[Long Con]

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

A Pretty princess party

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

Got drunk, cussed a lot in here, and went to bed.

I really like both those answers.

[Long Con]

speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
sig
rundontwalk
Kenway
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Kylemii
Kites
DrWilgy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
colonialbob
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
sprityo
lapluie
MacDougall
Quin

Urgh, I keep cycling the bottom 6 of this list in random order. More confident in the top of the list.

I don't have a whole lot of time today, thus the readlist, but I can elaborate on a few of these.

elaborate on me pls

I'll do more tomorrow, but you know how I read you as town every time that you're town, and quickly? From Phenon to... Mountain mafia was it?

I'm not seeing that genuine town-tone Quin... that genuQuin.

I'll believe in your Quindar when you support the claim with evidence.

[lapluie]

I always read quin as mafia idunno why, even last game on mk, he's just always mafia to me

[lapluie]

You slipped there. Now I can see you. What did you do last night, Epi?

Got drunk, cussed a lot in here, and went to bed.

I am seeing a lot of on edge players here, strange

[Long Con]

Are you an empath?

[sprityo]

@rundontwalk what’s your suspicion on cbob?

I read his last two pages of his ISO and there’s nothing damning that he’s said. Nothing to point to mafia behavior because it would seem he’s been on the defensive as of recent.

I don't understand why he's alive

If he knew he wouldn't die then maybe that post of his after the supposed lynch where he lamented having a great town role could be some kickass wifom

The mafia might just have had bigger priorities? Perhaps try looking more to on why the mafia killed Tony, and who’s related to that.