Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[gwilikers6]

Marmot, Kenway, Iron Dwarf, rundontwalk, Long Con.

These are my guesses for scum.

[colonialbob]

leaves the thread for 4 days





still numba 1

in post count and in our hearts

[colonialbob]

Marmot, Kenway, Iron Dwarf, rundontwalk, Long Con.

These are my guesses for scum.

If you want to elaborate on any/all of those I'd be interested in reading it.

[colonialbob]

The fact that lapluie didn't respond whatsoever to her nutella case being debunked solidifies my read of her as mafia.

[Marmot]

where's my top fellow @Marmot at? if you see this, you absolute ledge, what are your thoughts on the jagged one at this finest hour

Hello fellow Oregonian!

I have a null read on Jay at the moment, having no read anything that's happened since Day 3 started.

But I am here now to read all the things and make something of the things.

[Marmot]

Sorry for the lack of activity as of late.

I'll be around to lynch some scum tomorrow morning.

Easy post.

True.

It's the kind of post one makes when they're checking in, haven't posted in a hot second, and won't post for a hot second.

What's your point?

[Marmot]

Still waiting for somebody to make an actual case on me.

i made a case on your votes on Day 2. You have some awful-looking votes from Day 1.

Can someone explain to me the eggplant. .why are voting with an eggplant?

This is civilian talk right here.

Mark it.

How so?

She's not reading all of the posts and it very much behind.

She likely had to look up what that word was (I did) and is calling it "the eggplant."

She has no idea what's going on.

I also don't think anybody picked her to be bad.

I find it strange that you of all people would make this assertion when you asked everyone to make a list of players they would select for mafia.

Lapluie didn't receive 0 votes either.

I am willing to die to prove my theory. I have nothing left to live for, anyway.

Noooo Kenyway, that's not true!! Stay with us, you're like my top townread.

[Marmot]

I bodyguarded Mac.

Thanks man. In return have one of these.

Okay.

Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

Hell no.

Up your lynch game. It's better than a nightkill.

[colonialbob]

Marmot, I addressed those votes. Your thoughts on my response?

You're right though, you did make a case on me (one I disagree with strongly, but it was at least a case).

[Marmot]

I'll give thoughts when I find them (feel free to link them).

Still 6 more pages of Day 2 to read. I'll be in and out as I make my catchup.


And also, hi colonialbob. How are you?

[speedchuck]

A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.

Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

[speedchuck]

I feel like we are in a pseudo lylo. No dead mafia by day 3 means its time for a different approach.

In a game this big?

There is a point where town still has a positive ratio but mafia's numbers are good enough they can shut down every civ power and maybe add a few points of vote power to themselves.

Good luck lynching mafia now unless you can pull major feats in scumhunting.

How many scum do you think there are? Does it say anywhere?

[speedchuck]

Dayvig rdw

Where I come from, faking day activations got you modkilled.

As such, I get a miniature heart attack whenever I see someone use one.

Stop it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Has civ Jay ever been mislynched in this site? Do we have data about how he reacts to it?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel like we are in a pseudo lylo. No dead mafia by day 3 means its time for a different approach.

In a game this big?

There is a point where town still has a positive ratio but mafia's numbers are good enough they can shut down every civ power and maybe add a few points of vote power to themselves.

Good luck lynching mafia now unless you can pull major feats in scumhunting.

How many scum do you think there are? Does it say anywhere?

I was thinking 5?

[colonialbob]

I'll give thoughts when I find them (feel free to link them).

Still 6 more pages of Day 2 to read. I'll be in and out as I make my catchup.


And also, hi colonialbob. How are you?

No, I'll let you read naturally. If you don't make it closer to EoD I'll link.

Overworked and underappreciated. And houses are expensive. But otherwise I'm doing alright. How about you?

[colonialbob]

I feel like we are in a pseudo lylo. No dead mafia by day 3 means its time for a different approach.

In a game this big?

There is a point where town still has a positive ratio but mafia's numbers are good enough they can shut down every civ power and maybe add a few points of vote power to themselves.

Good luck lynching mafia now unless you can pull major feats in scumhunting.

How many scum do you think there are? Does it say anywhere?

There's 5 generals, so I'm assuming 5.

[speedchuck]

Alright, so 5 scum

24 players alive

guys I don't think this is MYLO/LYLO, under any circumstances.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
sig
rundontwalk
Kenway
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Kylemii
Kites
DrWilgy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
colonialbob
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
sprityo
lapluie
MacDougall
Quin

Urgh, I keep cycling the bottom 6 of this list in random order. More confident in the top of the list.

I don't have a whole lot of time today, thus the readlist, but I can elaborate on a few of these.

elaborate on me pls

I'll do more tomorrow, but you know how I read you as town every time that you're town, and quickly? From Phenon to... Mountain mafia was it?

I'm not seeing that genuine town-tone Quin... that genuQuin.

I'll believe in your Quindar when you support the claim with evidence.

In this post, I toneread Quin as town, in a game where a lot of people were against him. I did the same in Phenon, which I reference. I don't remember any other times.

I guess I can only accurately read Quin when I'm an indy.

But if you want to look at games where Quin underwent a lot of suspicion and I defended him, those are the two to go to.

Looking back, and wow, my play in Phenon was really good. Feel like I've gone downhill as a player lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hell no.

Up your lynch game. It's better than a nightkill.

Eh? We can lynch somebody and then kill another somebody.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Has civ Jay ever been mislynched in this site? Do we have data about how he reacts to it?

Tree Mafia

I don't think meta means much given that I am nothing like either my typical civilian or mafia self right now, but there you go.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.

Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

Ding ding ding.

"Going mum" as a tell that I am evil is frankly hilarious.

[Long Con]

speedchuck
JaggedJimmyJay
sig
rundontwalk
Kenway
nutella
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Kylemii
Kites
DrWilgy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
colonialbob
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
sprityo
lapluie
MacDougall
Quin

Urgh, I keep cycling the bottom 6 of this list in random order. More confident in the top of the list.

I don't have a whole lot of time today, thus the readlist, but I can elaborate on a few of these.

elaborate on me pls

I'll do more tomorrow, but you know how I read you as town every time that you're town, and quickly? From Phenon to... Mountain mafia was it?

I'm not seeing that genuine town-tone Quin... that genuQuin.

I'll believe in your Quindar when you support the claim with evidence.

In this post, I toneread Quin as town, in a game where a lot of people were against him. I did the same in Phenon, which I reference. I don't remember any other times.

I guess I can only accurately read Quin when I'm an indy.

But if you want to look at games where Quin underwent a lot of suspicion and I defended him, those are the two to go to.

Looking back, and wow, my play in Phenon was really good. Feel like I've gone downhill as a player lol.

Well, there ain't no Indys in this game! (right? I think I read that)

Your resume is Quinpressive. I'm Quinspired to lower Quin on my rainbow, and to Quinclude you in a touch greener shade. I also like your apt appraisal of the very recent and memorable evil-JJJ meta. Was JJJ the prolific as a baddie all the way through those games, or more toward the end?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually come to think of it, the last two times I've been mislynched (Tree Mafia and RYM #78 about four years ago), I was lynched largely on the strength of my "casework" having been perceived as weaker than usual. Then after I was mislynched, the civilians lynched my top suspect who then flipped mafia. MovingPictures and Adrift were the baddies. So if you follow throw with hanging me today, you know what to do next.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect DrWilgy is engaging in deliberate meta replication. Recall Mortal Kombat when early in the game he chose Sloonei (the extremely active Day 1 civilian) as his top suspect, and in nearly every suspicion-relevant post that was his pursuit. Lynch Sloonei. DrWilgy was a civilian, and it became quickly evident that his vendetta was ill-advised. I don't recall it generating any interesting reactions either, or least none that he used to develop other reads.

In this game he has chosen to do the exact same thing that worked poorly last time, with dunya as his chosen immense-activity target. While it isn't affirmed that dunyachuck is a civilian, I think it is the most likely reality by such a margin that I am willing to build my read on others against that assumption. Examples:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy Epignosis gwilikers6 sig sprityo

Linki:

Thank you Marmot.

You are bad and Dunya is your teammate.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE: [Vote: DUNYA]] aubergine

[VOTE: DrWilgy, if you haven't actually been on the site then you may be absolved. I just expect more from you. I know lap has been on the site and hasn't posted at all and I grouped you with her, but maybe you've been busy. What are your thoughts rn?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Dunya's unhelpful response to me asking Marmot for insight reflects a nonconstructive player. A baddie. I think I will pursue that.

Why are lap and I grouped together? Are we the only two afk-ers?] aubergine

[VOTE: MacDougall, what do you think of rundontwalk, sprityo, sig and TSP?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Y those 4?] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE: DUNYA]] aubergine

[VOTE: I'm drunk ask me anythi ng] aubergine

[VOTE:
grog y/n

also why dunya/speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE:
Y

Dunya is bad. I swear to god it's true. Or at least I believe it to be true

She has a motive that I can't pinpoint. She's baaaad.] aubergine

[VOTE:


] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I really jacked up the code there with the vote tags inside the spoiler. I think you get the point. If you don't, ask.

[Long Con]

How do I ask with a melted brain?

Lazily, as usual: [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Caught up: mac and Jay are both town and squabbling over who has a bigger monster truck

JJJ and Dr_whites kerfuffel is town-town. With Jay being a ruthless killer. Outside of that I’m not sure much else to think of Dr_white.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

sprityo TMIs two of my fist fights until it eventually becomes apparent that hey, maybe we ARE actually going to mislynch JJJ. *shrug*

[Kylemii]

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Okay. I scrapped my original idea.

Instead:

targeted sig last night, giving him a +15% chance to kill the target, so he had a 90% chance to succeed. Anyways there’s a passive effect on my powers that will cause the person I targeted to be misdirected. But the only way that could have happened is if Colin was my long lost brother and Wilgy targeted him with a harmful action, but the chances it really happened are small.

if everything you're saying is true, and it would be weird if it wasn't since you alluded to this way back on day 0, wilgy probably really is your brother. I'm like 95% sure actually.

Who is the long-lost brother people?

This probably isn't exactly what you're asking but... Kites' comment about a long long lost brother prompted me to google "archer, long lost brother" and it brought me to the wiki page for Rebecca, an archer from Blazing Blade. She leaves home to search for her long lost brother, the only pirate is Dart, a dude who suffered amnesia and joined up with some pirates because thats how life is sometimes. Dart is highly hinted at being Rebecca's lost brother.

So far every role has been from "sacred stones" or "the blazing blade", and kite's made a cryptic post about a lost brother much earlier in the game... Idk. It makes sense.

Whether or not this confirms Kite's as civ I guess depends on how much fire emblem knowledge he has, because this would take an impressive amount of forethought to setup if fake, and the fact that sig was apparently redirected from targeting Wilgy despite none of the known redirectors being responsible for it seems to confirm Kite's thing.

The mafia gets fake backstores to claim. He doesn't need to fake anything.

no i disagree

backstories can be faked, sure. backstory powers are much harder to fake when their results are known.

if someone tells you they're a bard and they have a 1-shot power to make Jackofhearts send every living player an actual physical can of RC cola in the mail, sure. That much can be faked. If you later receive an actual physical can of RC cola in the mail, i think then it's time to consider whether that's a reasonable power for a bard to have, or if it could realistically be coming from a scumteam power. If there's specifically a bard in the fire emblem games that loves drinking cola, then I think that adds credence to the claims.

like obviously there's a chance for dishonesty and realistic civ background powers overlapping with actual mafia backgrounds, but there comes a point where lying serves no purpose.... for kites to not have the passive ability he claims, he would have had to have decided he was going to make something like this up way at the start of the game when he said that weird poem, he or one of his teammates would have to have an ability to misdirect powers separate from all the known misdirects, and also, he would need to have a reason to prevent sig from getting lynched, because.... He could have just not said anything. If sig were his teammate then.... we'd have to reconcile that mafia sig actually just wanted kill Colin in the first place but claimed he meant to kill Wilgy instead for some reason??? Instead of just making something up or claiming he got misdirected. The entire thing requires too many "whay if's" to be realistic.

The same thing is true with other background powers too. Epis was a good example. A princess troubador with a lynch stop makes sense, the character matching that description hates violence and also is a princess, is it possible Epi's mafia and his team happened to also have the ability to stop a lynch? Yeah. Of course it is. But then by definition it's unrelated to his being a troubador. Is it likely that his team would allow him to use the lynch stop power in the way he did? Not as much, and only if it was a forethought move of desperation from a lot of mafia members being on the hook at once.

ya know?

[Kylemii]

A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.

Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

does this mean you think his bhavior is a sign of bad or good

[Kylemii]

jay's fucked up spoiler vote tags post reminds me of those movies where they have to say words at a robot to make sure they react properly to the emotions, and aubergine is like the "repeat after me word"

[Kylemii]

the ones with Ryan Gosling

[speedchuck]

Well, there ain't no Indys in this game! (right? I think I read that)

Your resume is Quinpressive. I'm Quinspired to lower Quin on my rainbow, and to Quinclude you in a touch greener shade. I also like your apt appraisal of the very recent and memorable evil-JJJ meta. Was JJJ the prolific as a baddie all the way through those games, or more toward the end?

Answering your statements and questions in order.
I don't think there are.
ohno what did I get started?
JJJ was more prolific when he was on the chopping block as bad. So near the end of his life in Mountain, and near the end of the game in Phenon: Origins.

So [mention]Kylemii[/mention], I think JJJ's behavior is a sign of good JJJ.

[speedchuck]

BTW between this game and Fellowship of the Ring, I like the way that the games on this site are allowing claims with open setups, by inventively including secrets and giving the baddies ways around it.

It's nice to be able to rolespec or claim instead of tiptoeing around everything. Heck, in this game, the claims are in the open from the start.

[Kylemii]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] can I see a link of a game you felt mafia burnout during, in which your gameplay suffered because of it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dayvig rdw

Where I come from, faking day activations got you modkilled.

As such, I get a miniature heart attack whenever I see someone use one.

Stop it.

Me too.

[rabbit8]

IDK if I'm alive or dead or whatgever, but sorry as fuck, I've been stuck in the middle of Alaska for a week with no internet or phone, just got back to Texas.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

IDK if I'm alive or dead or whatgever, but sorry as fuck, I've been stuck in the middle of Alaska for a week with no internet or phone, just got back to Texas.

You were killed Night 1 by the mafia, so that's probably good.

[rabbit8]

IDK if I'm alive or dead or whatgever, but sorry as fuck, I've been stuck in the middle of Alaska for a week with no internet or phone, just got back to Texas.

You were killed Night 1 by the mafia, so that's probably good.

Bout par for the course.

[Long Con]

You'll never know the camaraderie of being a Pegasister, rabbit.

BTW between this game and Fellowship of the Ring, I like the way that the games on this site are allowing claims with open setups, by inventively including secrets and giving the baddies ways around it.

It's nice to be able to rolespec or claim instead of tiptoeing around everything. Heck, in this game, the claims are in the open from the start.

Mafia: A World Asunder will be revealing most roles in an open list, but no alignments... just a map of how many of each alignment oneach team kinda thing. Open claiming.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay can I see a link of a game you felt mafia burnout during, in which your gameplay suffered because of it?

That's a highly specific request. I don't know if both of those factors held true, but I recall experiencing a lot of burnout in these two:

Tree Mafia

Phenon Mafia

I should make it clear that I am not crapping out in this game purely as a result of burnout, though that isn't helping matters. I said why I'm crapping out earlier, and I am not going to repeat it. Folks can go digging if they want.

[Iron_Dwarf]

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?

[Iron_Dwarf]

Sorry for the lack of activity as of late.

I'll be around to lynch some scum tomorrow morning.

Easy post.

True.

It's the kind of post one makes when they're checking in, haven't posted in a hot second, and won't post for a hot second.

What's your point?

That from the perspective of this game it feels easy if you would have made 1 post only and then voted. That could be a scum trying to be incognito. But you've posted more since.

[Iron_Dwarf]

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?

Yes?

[Iron_Dwarf]

I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?

Yes?

Name some other waffles you have observed from nutella apart from the post about me DDL was discussing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.

Okay that makes more sense.

I read nutella as a civilian at face value. I am concerned though that after having handed her the supatown scepter her effort seems to have decreased.

[nutella]

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

waffling is what I do man, I have trouble deciding if I think your case on him is enough to override my gut townread on him

but you know what you're right, I should stick to my guns since both Jay and RDW were some of my strongest early townreads and I shouldn't let other people convince me I want to lynch them when deep down it feels wrong, whereas I have suspected I_D a fair amount.... ugh I'm really not confident in lynching him either at this point but it feels like the better option here

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter

If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.

nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

Yeah you can cut off the words "this game" there. I'm waffly. It's how I play. Deal with it

I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.

Okay that makes more sense.

I read nutella as a civilian at face value. I am concerned though that after having handed her the supatown scepter her effort seems to have decreased.

I'm just... not feeling confident about this day phase at all. Maybe I'll join your Wilgy vote. I could try to push a Lap lynch again but it sounds like most people aren't having it.

[nutella]

A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.

Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

Also this. Great point.

and the post he just linked from Tree somewhat mirrors his behavior here.

Alright, so 5 scum

24 players alive

guys I don't think this is MYLO/LYLO, under any circumstances.

Pretty sure there are 20 players alive?