Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Quin]

i'd hope i dont get lynched day 1, im super excited about playing!

exclamation marks
give me the jim jams, i say
"hello, fellow town"

What does this mean? Jim Jams are generally negative, it's like the willies (maybe different where you come from?), but "Hello town" indicates otherwise. After the first two lines, I would expect "hello big baddie".

I think we got a fairly good insight into each other in Survivor; that was probably one of the more stressful and intense mafia experiences I have ever had. The fact that you are so regularly disagreeing with me, but not explaining it in a way I can understand is making it hard for me to see your points, and I would like to see them.

Self imposed haiku;
fun if understandable
not fun if it's not

"hello, fellow town"
i see synonymous with
"hello, big baddie"

if sprityo is bad
this post looks as though he is
looking from outside

[nutella]

svs, "hello fellow town" is sarcastic/I took it as a reference to this meme

[S~V~S]

his posts look civ to me

I am not sure I agree, but the fact that you state it so clearly makes me feel way lots better about you, tbh. After Quins post, I went back and reread you, and was a bit conflicted.

I agree with your read on nutella.


I wonder why DH still has his vote on me.

I think a few people did not move them; I did not move my vote until I had decided where to put it instead. Them aubergine tags,lol.

Re Nutella, yes on the one hand, so flatly saying that with neither a hem nor a haw did not strike me as a baddie Nutella thing, thought the general tone of the post struck me as a bit:


... but overall, I still felt better about her.

Any other insights?

Linki @ quin~ Thank You! I miss subtext at times, and haiku subtext totally befuddles me

I will be in and out all day today and tonight, so I am going tomake a glorious purple vote for Sprityo at this time, I will be back to change it if need be. That business with him knowing who started the RR, then pretending he didn't to drop a vote on DH seems fishy, and his whol act seems just like than, an act.

{vote]Sprityo[/vote] the Glorious

Also, Epignosis, where are you? I saw you reading in here a few times last night, but no thoughts. Since you and I think very differently I would like to hear your insights.

And I also find it intriguing that ever since the idea of a round robin was mostly dropped, discussion from those that opposed it ALSO seems to have dropped off.

We dropped the round robin, guys~ balls in your court.

Linki @ Nutella, yes he already answered me.

[S~V~S]

aw broken eggplants

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine the glorious

[speedchuck]

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

[Epignosis]

Also, Epignosis, where are you? I saw you reading in here a few times last night, but no thoughts. Since you and I think very differently I would like to hear your insights.

I'm just trying to keep from getting behind. I'm not posting much anywhere. My job is killing me.

[DharmaHelper]

his posts look civ to me

I am not sure I agree, but the fact that you state it so clearly makes me feel way lots better about you, tbh. After Quins post, I went back and reread you, and was a bit conflicted.

I agree with your read on nutella.


I wonder why DH still has his vote on me.

Dom you are my friend
I will move my vote off you
And vote somewhere else.

[DharmaHelper]

Sprityo votes for me
Yet he wants my sympathies
Cuz of his "cool role"

[Long Con]

Spoiler: show

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

I don't think it is a half truth. I see cogs as well, but perhaps different ones than you see. Also Chucks strong reaction to the RR plan got my eye, he seems to be saying he is a laid back guy, but he seemed pretty far from that when he reacted to the suggestion.

Who would you recommend I look at instead? I am not married to this vote.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

hmmmm I think I like DDL's perspective but I still see it both ways, like I see the value in learning someone's role if we can but then it sounds like they could change alignment so that could be dangerous. I'm leaning toward DDL's side then and I think even if we get a no-lynch we can still have a productive D1 discussion.

like.... what is the likelihood that there is actually someone who both didn't submit a haiku and is a member of the mafia?

I'm definitely over the haikus. Quin is giving me the feelbad jimjams with his last couple of posts. I have the uncut posts in the above spoiler tag for reference.

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

This is about DDL, in response to S~V~S' accusation that DDL was not following up adequately after pooh-poohing the Round Robin in favour of more info. What cogs do you see turning? I assume this means you can see Civ thought processes going on from DDL? This seems very off-handed and I'm going to need to hear more about this.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

This looks like lazy fearmongering. I don't think it's a true take on a baddie perspective. The risk of lynching anybody is pretty low this time, and I doubt that a baddie nutella would be so concerned that she'd need to start making sure everyone thinks it's unlikely.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine PLASTICENE JELLYBEAN

[DharmaHelper]

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Dont want to lynch him
Yet you gave him his first vote
That seems fishy, man.

[S~V~S]

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

linki, lol. Yup.

[Long Con]

Guys, maybe we should talk about the other tribe. There's a chance that we might be in competition with them, and maybe numbers might matter? Maybe it's good that we probably won't lynch anyone?

Impossible to say what's going to happen, but since there are tribes, I want Pikachu Tribe to be the winning tribe, if it comes down to it. If anyone has any possible insights, could be worthwhile to talk about.

[S~V~S]

Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

[DharmaHelper]

I will Vote For Chuck
I wont use the gross vote tag
It makes me feel sick.

[Epignosis]

Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

[DharmaHelper]

Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

You should read the post
From our lovely host golden
that started this thread.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

[mention] epignosis[/mention] I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

[DharmaHelper]

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

You could just say me
If that is what you mean here
It won't make me sad.

[Long Con]

Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

I'm operating on first assumption. The other way results in a guaranteed lynch on non-Haikuers, even if whatever number of them are all tied at zero votes apiece. That is not what I expect to see.

I'm not totally sure what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting discussing it over not discussing it. I certainly am not suggesting that everyone forget their current votes and pile on bob (or a haiku sender).

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

I'm all for you being really good at this... but isn't it a scosche early for that level of read? Your grasp of his Civvie game didn't come until later in Buffy, after a number of days of real play. Don't you think that this Day 1, specifically with the Haiku Lynch Immunity so many of us share, is like... a tainted sample of his game?

[S~V~S]

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

You could just say me
If that is what you mean here
It won't make me sad.

I was talking about Sprit, he did not send in a haiku.

[Long Con]

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

You could just say me
If that is what you mean here
It won't make me sad.

You didn't send in a Haiku PM?

[Long Con]

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

We don't have to RR if a guaranteed lynch is what we need. We just have to vote sprityo. A Round Robin would probably end up with no lynch.

[DharmaHelper]

Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

[Long Con]

And I agree about colonialbob. Charlie Pace is the first life. That's actually pretty sweet. It ensures his survival into midgame and beyond.

[S~V~S]

Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

I'm operating on first assumption. The other way results in a guaranteed lynch on non-Haikuers, even if whatever number of them are all tied at zero votes apiece. That is not what I expect to see.

I'm not totally sure what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting discussing it over not discussing it. I certainly am not suggesting that everyone forget their current votes and pile on bob (or a haiku sender).

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

I'm all for you being really good at this... but isn't it a scosche early for that level of read? Your grasp of his Civvie game didn't come until later in Buffy, after a number of days of real play. Don't you think that this Day 1, specifically with the Haiku Lynch Immunity so many of us share, is like... a tainted sample of his game?

Sooperating on the first assumption, means if we vote for Chuck who says he can't be lynched then Sprit lives and we no lynch?

And re Buffy and Chuck, I am talking about after I KNEW he was a civ, not my early read; once I KNEW he was civ, I could ov=bserve rather than judge. This is how I play, LC, gut reads then I look for ways to prove them. My initial thought on Chuck & Sprit was teammates, and his post earlier about how he now feels bad after his blatant opportunism feels sooooooo teammate to me.

ebwop, if we are looking at it from a tribal perspective, then someone who does not follow host directions is the weakest link, imo, and we are back to RR.

And since we shifted to suspicions (the non LP players seemed more comfy with that, I guess they did not hatch voting plans where they came from) I am OK sticking with it until we see how a lynch pans out. As I recall Golden is not a "No Lynch" fan, and I don't know that he would have a dynamic that favors it.

@ epignosis I think Bob loses his FIRST life on Day 6, not his second?

We don't have to RR if a guaranteed lynch is what we need. We just have to vote sprityo. A Round Robin would probably end up with no lynch.

[Long Con]

Why did that make you sad?

[S~V~S]

In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

[Long Con]

I sent this to Marmot (and DH), but I want to put it out there as well, for full disclosure or whatever.

Subject: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

How about a background of blue with a hint of green, and white text?

And we could also make "AUBERGINE" into size 1, like this: AUBERGINE Then it's not a glaring thing, but it's still searchable.

Marmot, is there a forum way to make a background colour for text? Something we could use in games?

[Long Con]

In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

I just mean a Round Robin tie would likely end up the same as everyone voting for a Haiku-sender, and I think that would be a no-lynch. I didn't mean a tie just results in no lynch, but that the likely randomizatinon result would be a majority Haiku-sender.

[S~V~S]

Why did that make you sad?

I don't love being laughed at, no one does. Everyone says stupid things at times. But I also am perhaps overly sensitive to that, so meh.

In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

I just mean a Round Robin tie would likely end up the same as everyone voting for a Haiku-sender, and I think that would be a no-lynch. I didn't mean a tie just results in no lynch, but that the likely randomizatinon result would be a majority Haiku-sender.

But a tie where none of the votes count but one would not be a tie, would it?

[DharmaHelper]

I will put my vote
Where we all decide it will
have the most impact.

[DharmaHelper]

I sent this to Marmot (and DH), but I want to put it out there as well, for full disclosure or whatever.

Subject: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

How about a background of blue with a hint of green, and white text?

And we could also make "AUBERGINE" into size 1, like this: AUBERGINE Then it's not a glaring thing, but it's still searchable.

Marmot, is there a forum way to make a background colour for text? Something we could use in games?

You are a good friend
I don't mean to be a pain
I hope this is solved.

[Long Con]

Why did that make you sad?

I don't love being laughed at, no one does. Everyone says stupid things at times. But I also am perhaps overly sensitive to that, so meh.

You scumhead, I wasn't laughing at you, I was laughing at poor non-Haiku-sending sprityo. I was laughing at his vulnerability. "Oh you wanna really lynch someone? *jabs a thumb in sprit's direction* Just toss it on the mortal, easy!"

[Long Con]

I sent this to Marmot (and DH), but I want to put it out there as well, for full disclosure or whatever.

Subject: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

Oh I see it now
You meant those who did not send
The hosts a haiku

---
I won't use the tag
because it makes me nauseous
^^^^^That is not a joke.

How about a background of blue with a hint of green, and white text?

And we could also make "AUBERGINE" into size 1, like this: AUBERGINE Then it's not a glaring thing, but it's still searchable.

Marmot, is there a forum way to make a background colour for text? Something we could use in games?

You are a good friend
I don't mean to be a pain
I hope this is solved.

I'm glad you brought it up. I'm supposed to be the Graphics guy around here, so I figured I should give my two cents about the visuals. Also, I think my way would look really sharp!

[Long Con]

In the case of a tie, I doubt there is a no lynch, and an RR would be a tie.

I have to go do stuff, bbl.

I just mean a Round Robin tie would likely end up the same as everyone voting for a Haiku-sender, and I think that would be a no-lynch. I didn't mean a tie just results in no lynch, but that the likely randomizatinon result would be a majority Haiku-sender.

But a tie where none of the votes count but one would not be a tie, would it?

I see. I'm not sure if it's "votes for Haiku-senders don't count" or "a Haiku-sender with the most votes will have their lynch stopped" or even some other option like a switchy-lynch.

[DharmaHelper]

Aubergine Demon
Banished with a tiny font
I have the last laugh

[DharmaHelper]

Day One has begun. You have 48 hours to lynch somebody. All players who paid the correct entry fee will be immune.

If I had to guess
This immunity reward
Is for "lynch" not "vote"

[Epignosis]

Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

You should read the post
From our lovely host golden
that started this thread.

I did read it. I misunderstood it. I understand now.

My take on this, then, is that colonialbob is something of a "bulletproof Innocent Child," that is to say, an invincible cleared civilian- at least until Day 6. That would make him inherently trustworthy and a thorn for whatever mafia are in here with us.

[Long Con]

Question for the field:

Is colonialbob already on his second role, or am I missing something?

You should read the post
From our lovely host golden
that started this thread.

I did read it. I misunderstood it. I understand now.

My take on this, then, is that colonialbob is something of a "bulletproof Innocent Child," that is to say, an invincible cleared civilian- at least until Day 6. That would make him inherently trustworthy and a thorn for whatever mafia are in here with us.

And after Day 6, the WIFOM begins...

[Golden]

Question, hosts or players. I don't expect a host answer honestly, but worth discussing.

The opening post says haiku senders are immune to lynch. Does that mean if the top vote getter is immune, then there is NO lynch, or that it falls back to the top NON immune vote getter?

I have been operating on the assumption of the first option, no lynch. The other does not seem immensely fair, but that does not mean it is not possible.

Linki @ LC, I am not sure if that is possible to know until we have had a result? Are you suggesting a no lynch, like all voting for Bob or something?

You are correct in your assessment that you will not get a host answer to this question.

[Golden]

I will Vote For Chuck
I wont use the gross vote tag
It makes me feel sick.

I'm considering changing the tags for tomorrow, but if you sabotage their use, your vote won't count and I will put my heels in for tomorrow.

It's designed so that people are able to search and undertake accurate vote analysis. Please don't subvert it.

[DharmaHelper]

I will Vote For Chuck
I wont use the gross vote tag
It makes me feel sick.

I'm considering changing the tags for tomorrow, but if you sabotage their use, your vote won't count and I will put my heels in for tomorrow.

It's designed so that people are able to search and undertake accurate vote analysis. Please don't subvert it.

Its not sabotage
I get physically sick
When I see the tag

---
But if I must do so
I will use the garbage tag
And vote for [VOTE: speedchuck
] aubergine

----

Christ that tag is bad
I am not in a good mood
See you all at Night

[speedchuck]

Hey Sprityo, it looks like it's a battle between me and you.

YOU READY FOR THIS!?!???

(actually, I don't want you lynched if you have a cool role, which you're acting like you do. Hm.)

Why does this post not surprise me?

I kept getting an (albeit early, especially with the two role business) team-y vibe from you and Sprit, especially with how you reacted to the idea of the RR ... UNTIL you dropped that opportunistic vote on him. That made me feel as if one or the other of you was bad, not both. This post brought we right back to where I was.

I want to see SpeedBuffy again~ you may not have been overly effective there due to divided attentions as your other game was in endphase combined with 24 hour days, but once I had a grip on your civvieness, I understood you; but to be honest, I am not seeing that person at all in this game. I am going to reread you there, becasue as I recall, you discussed your civ game there, and being as you were a civ would have no reason to be misleading about it.

linki, lol. Yup.

Why do you want to see Speedbuffy again? So you can start a scum-lead wagon on me?

Speedbuffy - was playing with divided attention, as an important townie, under pressure.
Speedchuck in this game - is invincible day 1, has a boring but helpful role, has been promised a second role if he is lynched, and is in freaking dire straits in another game. Plus it's the weekend. Look all the way back to my first games here. Outside of burglaries, I generally play most on weekdays, and slack on weekends. I have every motivation to play low-key in this game.

Metareads are complicated, multi-state things.

And for that matter, Sprit and me are buddies, going back to a game called Terminal 13 mafia that I played in 2014. I've known him four times as long as anyone else on this site. He's the reason I'm here. There's some familiarity there.

I promise that, when half of the game isn't invincible and the chips are down, I'm going to bear down on this game and give it my all. I'm not going to join any other games while this game is going. I want to focus solely on it, especially once things get going.

But anyway, given my current invulnerable state (which leaves most of the game unlynchable even if I do scumhunt), and the burglary that might take place today, and my church duties, and so on, I'm going to pull a CC123 role #13 and be lazy for a day period. Aggressively lazy.

[speedchuck]

THEORY TIME YOU SQUIBS~!

Everyone in this game has 2 lives. Their alignment is not revealed on their first death. On top of that, some people are not lynchable their first day. AND role claiming is not allowed.

With this in mind...

Scumhunting today is more fruitless than on most day ones. It will remove a role from the game, give us no information regarding alignment, and (if the lynch trickles down) will tell us more about who was invulnerable today than who was actually scum. So I want to hear pros and cons on the following, beyond what I'm going to say.

WHAT IF WE ASKED FOR LYNCH VOLUNTEERS?

Does anyone, someone who did not send in a haiku, have a role that they don't care for? We could CC123 this crap.

"But Speedchuck," you might whimper, "lynching someone opens them up to being lynched FOR REEEEEAAAAL." True. But if we really want to lynch someone, we'll keep at it until they die. Lives mean nothing if people really want you dead, nothing but extra wasted time.

"But Speedchuck," a more confident and smart person, in other words not you, might cry, "Lynching someone opens them up to the danger of nightkills! If we lynch a townie, mafia can just reduce their numbers. And voting numbers are important!"

To which I'd say, "Dang, you smart yo. I didn't even think of that until I was halfway done with this post. I was going to say things about how scumpeeps might volunteer to look more towny, but you've forced me to think about it another way. It's a bad idea."

And thus my mind would be changed, no thanks to YOU.

I should hypothesize more often. I think I just motivated myself to scumhunt.

[Long Con]

no I was the second guy

[speedchuck]

no I was the second guy

Voice of reason right here

[speedchuck]

The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

[Quin]

Spoiler: show

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

I don't think it is a half truth. I see cogs as well, but perhaps different ones than you see. Also Chucks strong reaction to the RR plan got my eye, he seems to be saying he is a laid back guy, but he seemed pretty far from that when he reacted to the suggestion.

Who would you recommend I look at instead? I am not married to this vote.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

hmmmm I think I like DDL's perspective but I still see it both ways, like I see the value in learning someone's role if we can but then it sounds like they could change alignment so that could be dangerous. I'm leaning toward DDL's side then and I think even if we get a no-lynch we can still have a productive D1 discussion.

like.... what is the likelihood that there is actually someone who both didn't submit a haiku and is a member of the mafia?

I'm definitely over the haikus. Quin is giving me the feelbad jimjams with his last couple of posts. I have the uncut posts in the above spoiler tag for reference.

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

This is about DDL, in response to S~V~S' accusation that DDL was not following up adequately after pooh-poohing the Round Robin in favour of more info. What cogs do you see turning? I assume this means you can see Civ thought processes going on from DDL? This seems very off-handed and I'm going to need to hear more about this.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

This looks like lazy fearmongering. I don't think it's a true take on a baddie perspective. The risk of lynching anybody is pretty low this time, and I doubt that a baddie nutella would be so concerned that she'd need to start making sure everyone thinks it's unlikely.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine PLASTICENE JELLYBEAN

jim jams are misplaced
mafia aint black and white
luf's posts reflect this

his line of questions
do not openly state reads
but can lead to them

your last sentence sucks
i shall not elaborate
it just really sucks

[Epignosis]

The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

[speedchuck]

The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

Alignments don't change.

Common sense.

Otherwise, we lynch a mafia, they become town, they get their team lynched, GG.