Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

Alignments don't change.

Common sense.

Otherwise, we lynch a mafia, they become town, they get their team lynched, GG.

Did you even read the setup?

Alignments change.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm almost tempted to no lynch on D1, just to put the mafia in the deciding position of killing one of their own or giving us a townfirm to work with on our first lynch. Put the pressure on them, instead of allowing them to capitalize on our likely mislynch and give us nothing.

(we can't even lynch who we want to today, in all likelyhood)

linki: CRAP
So mafia numbers can grow, but they can't defect to town. Frikkin perfect.
Lynch me so that I might see what my final win con is.

Like I said before, I have a theory that mafia can change to town if they are some kind of mafia traitor who doesn't have BTSC.

[Long Con]

Well, are any of you solo Mafia members? If so, then you should come forward so we can lynch you - you are very likely to end up as Civs, so why not streamline the process?

[speedchuck]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

[speedchuck]

The only way that having 2 roles does NOT benefit scum is if we commit to every lynch. Mathematically.

Lynching someone opens them up to lynch or nightkill. It takes us two lynches to kill someone. It takes us TWO lynches. If we mislynch, mafia can kill the mislynchee instantly. Would they do that?

"Of course," Long Con says. "After all, killing someone else would supply a townfirm."

Right. So Mafia will probably finish the job for us. Unless they don't. In the case that our lynched dude is scum, they'll kill someone else. This leads us to kill the dude again, and they can finish the job on that other person, bringing us back to square one.

Basically, for game balance and assurance that mafia won't just wipe the floor with us, both sides will, by nature, double down. Which is dumb, because it means the second roles we are given aren't worth a flying flip darn tootin' skippy, except for a last night action before biting the dust. In addition, the roles of these players that get doubled down on won't be revealed if they get nightkilled (we'll know they aren't scum, but that's all).

AM I MISSING ANYTHING?

By night killing other options, the mafia is providing itself with a chance to grow.

Alignments don't change.

Common sense.

Otherwise, we lynch a mafia, they become town, they get their team lynched, GG.

Did you even read the setup?

Alignments change.

I may have skimmed it.

[DharmaHelper]

Lol phone autocorrect ftw "GUT" NOT "BUT" in the first line. Doh.

Tbf I often play on butt.

Suspicion of DH growing. He's refusing to engage with Epi's reasoning and instead just repeating his suspicions.

What's suspicious about doing what I always do?

[Dom]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

[speedchuck]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

[S~V~S]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

[DharmaHelper]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

[speedchuck]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

That's not what I said.

[speedchuck]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

[DharmaHelper]

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

That's not what I said.

It was quite literally the first thing you said.

[S~V~S]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

I am hopeful you will hear his response, but you will have to sit through mine as well as anyone else who might be intrigued by your new direction

Now after making a big production out of not lynching him yesterday, now you want to ask him pointed questions demanding responses? Whatevs, we will see what the night brings.

[speedchuck]

literally what the fresh hell is this post and why hasn't speedchuck cared to explain the shit out of it?

What's wrong with it?

compare this with your bullshit rainbow and i am at a loss as to any of your rationale.

D1 + going along with Epi to make a lynch happen + Not wanting Sprit to die because of some thing that were said after the rainbow + EOD craziness and a deadline that snuck up on me + nobody being around but Epi + Me wanting to do something with my vote = THAT

I do not see the problem

"Don't look at me, I just went along with Epignosis!"

That's not what I said.

It was quite literally the first thing you said.

I guess all of the rest of it doesn't matter then.

[speedchuck]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

I am hopeful you will hear his response, but you will have to sit through mine as well as anyone else who might be intrigued by your new direction

Now after making a big production out of not lynching him yesterday, now you want to ask him pointed questions demanding responses? Whatevs, we will see what the night brings.

If you're expecting me to literally clear someone as town on N1, you'll be disappointed.

And I'd prefer that he respond first. Where I come from, answering questions or subtle suspicions that are aimed at a player, before they can answer them, is considered -EV (estimated value) play. I can't pressure someone and get a genuine response out of them to scumhunt if some other fellow with no stake in the question comes up and makes excuses or answers for him. Please, let me do my thing, and question me afterward.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

LC is being so proactive this game it makes me worry since he was useless last 3 games I played with him and civ in all of them.

[DharmaHelper]

What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

[Dragon D. Luffy]

We can approach this Day as though it is Day 2 and colonialbob was lynched Day 1.

DDL had something of a negative reaction to colonialbob, but colonialbob didn't appear to suspect DDL for it. Then colonialbob voted sprityo.

For someone who basically got outed as a civilian until at least Day 6, that wasn't a very useful read.

I didn't read Colinialbob negatively. I argued with him. For all I know I can't read Bob to save my life, specially at Day 1.

[speedchuck]

What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

You're clearly ignoring my content, based on your sarcastic repetition. If you honestly still don't understand, I'd advise rereading my posts until your eyes are bleary.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

In this site? In 2018? No I don't. I'll find it suspicious when people don't change their votes like madmen in the last 15 minutes.

[DharmaHelper]

What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

You're clearly ignoring my content, based on your sarcastic repetition. If you honestly still don't understand, I'd advise rereading my posts until your eyes are bleary.

Put another way why did you feel more comfortable following Epi into a Quin vote when you could have just as easily suggested he vote with you, for me, someone that was "yellow" on your list. Instead the two of you voted for a "mild" "green" suspect.

[Long Con]

LC is being so proactive this game it makes me worry since he was useless last 3 games I played with him and civ in all of them.

This is the Champions game. I'm currently trying to try harder. No promises.

[colonialbob]

Lol phone autocorrect ftw "GUT" NOT "BUT" in the first line. Doh.

Tbf I often play on butt.

Suspicion of DH growing. He's refusing to engage with Epi's reasoning and instead just repeating his suspicions.

What's suspicious about doing what I always do?

I have no idea what you always do, but refusing to engage with reasoning isn't consistent with good town olay and thus is suspicious.

[DharmaHelper]

Lol phone autocorrect ftw "GUT" NOT "BUT" in the first line. Doh.

Tbf I often play on butt.

Suspicion of DH growing. He's refusing to engage with Epi's reasoning and instead just repeating his suspicions.

What's suspicious about doing what I always do?

I have no idea what you always do, but refusing to engage with reasoning isn't consistent with good town olay and thus is suspicious.

What reasoning? I'm fine with reasoning. Poor reasoning, suspicious reasoning, inaccurate or incomplete reasoning, these are a few of my least favorite things.

[juliets]

Please remember that night actions are due 2 hours before night end. That's approximately 3 hours and 15 minutes from now. Let us know if you have any questions.

[DharmaHelper]

To put it another, another way:

If Epi and Chuck were concerned for Sprityo, whom they claim they think is civ and wanted to protect and whatnot or whatever, Why would both of them turn on Quin, Epi out of the blue nowhere when he had a stronger suspicion of Chuck and very little suspicion of Quin, and Chuck after asserting that Quin was "Green" on his silly silly, completely pointless and irrelevant and useless rainbow list when Sprityo, their town-read, voted for me? I was "yellow" for Chuck and Epi quite obviously has no issue fabricating a suspicion out of thin air to fit his vote, so why Quin and not the guy your town-read-must-save Sprityo voted for?

How's that for reasoning? Where does that click? What?

[speedchuck]

What is the estimated value of trying to lynch someone you think is a civ

You're clearly ignoring my content, based on your sarcastic repetition. If you honestly still don't understand, I'd advise rereading my posts until your eyes are bleary.

Put another way why did you feel more comfortable following Epi into a Quin vote when you could have just as easily suggested he vote with you, for me, someone that was "yellow" on your list. Instead the two of you voted for a "mild" "green" suspect.

I didn't. I would have been more comfortable if we'd voted for you in first place.

But I didn't have time to poll Epi on his options and desires to compare notes, because I realized the deadline too late.
And it wouldn't have been a whole lot more comfortable, as going from the lightest of townreads to a null read on D1 isn't a big jump.
And also only beating out Sprityo by one vote isn't super comfortable (vote manipulating roles), making Quin a better option.

[DharmaHelper]

[DharmaHelper]

"Hey Epi lets vote for DH he already has a vote so if we both do it he'll have 3 and Sprityo will be fine or at least better off than he would be"
"OK sounds good Chuck, apologies to DH if he didn't send in a haiku but if he did he'll be fine anyway."

That took 2 seconds.

[colonialbob]

Lol phone autocorrect ftw "GUT" NOT "BUT" in the first line. Doh.

Tbf I often play on butt.

Suspicion of DH growing. He's refusing to engage with Epi's reasoning and instead just repeating his suspicions.

What's suspicious about doing what I always do?

I have no idea what you always do, but refusing to engage with reasoning isn't consistent with good town olay and thus is suspicious.

What reasoning? I'm fine with reasoning. Poor reasoning, suspicious reasoning, inaccurate or incomplete reasoning, these are a few of my least favorite things.

The reasoning that he wasn't sure if the lynch would cascade down so he wanted to put as many people between Sprit and the lead as he could. I haven't seen you engage that logic at all.

[DharmaHelper]

Lol phone autocorrect ftw "GUT" NOT "BUT" in the first line. Doh.

Tbf I often play on butt.

Suspicion of DH growing. He's refusing to engage with Epi's reasoning and instead just repeating his suspicions.

What's suspicious about doing what I always do?

I have no idea what you always do, but refusing to engage with reasoning isn't consistent with good town olay and thus is suspicious.

What reasoning? I'm fine with reasoning. Poor reasoning, suspicious reasoning, inaccurate or incomplete reasoning, these are a few of my least favorite things.

The reasoning that he wasn't sure if the lynch would cascade down so he wanted to put as many people between Sprit and the lead as he could. I haven't seen you engage that logic at all.

Read my posts then.

[colonialbob]

To put it another, another way:

If Epi and Chuck were concerned for Sprityo, whom they claim they think is civ and wanted to protect and whatnot or whatever, Why would both of them turn on Quin, Epi out of the blue nowhere when he had a stronger suspicion of Chuck and very little suspicion of Quin, and Chuck after asserting that Quin was "Green" on his silly silly, completely pointless and irrelevant and useless rainbow list when Sprityo, their town-read, voted for me? I was "yellow" for Chuck and Epi quite obviously has no issue fabricating a suspicion out of thin air to fit his vote, so why Quin and not the guy your town-read-must-save Sprityo voted for?

How's that for reasoning? Where does that click? What?

This, however, *does* address the logic. That's all I wanted.

Linki: your recent couple of posts do engage the logic. Suspicions subsiding.

[DharmaHelper]

FWIW I thought it was pretty dang clear that the haiku protection meant that there would be no lynch, not that whomever got protected would pass the lynch on to the next (potentially protected) person. So shifting votes around made no sense to me in that context. A futile gesture.

DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE THIS?!? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

[DharmaHelper]

As a side note what is the point of a rainbow list when you're just going to vote for someone you put in "green" when someone you have in "yellow" (IIRC far down the list in yellow which is I guess SUPPOSED to mean more suspicious, color aside) already has a vote and would be much easier to justify voting for if all you really wanted was to protect someone you also thought was civ or whatever?


Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

"Sprityo is a civilian"

Don't you mean "Epi thought sprityo was a civilian"?

[Golden]

Please remember to make sure both hosts are copied in to your night PM.

[speedchuck]

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

FWIW I thought it was pretty dang clear that the haiku protection meant that there would be no lynch, not that whomever got protected would pass the lynch on to the next (potentially protected) person. So shifting votes around made no sense to me in that context. A futile gesture.

DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE THIS?!? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

You are telling me that the EoD1 thing gives us an easy lynch on both Epi and Speed and my brain is filtering that and sending it to the same pile where it puts unicorns, Santa Claus and the invisible hand of the market, namely the pile for things that don't exist.

Easy lynches don't exist, and Epi and Speed's reasoning is logical, and may or civ or mafia motivated.

Granted I'm still feeling bad about Speedchuck, gut-wise.

[DharmaHelper]

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

I could give a rats ass about a different game, role, and affiliation.

[speedchuck]

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

I could give a rats ass about a different game, role, and affiliation.

Well, I did allow for this.

[Long Con]

FWIW I thought it was pretty dang clear that the haiku protection meant that there would be no lynch, not that whomever got protected would pass the lynch on to the next (potentially protected) person. So shifting votes around made no sense to me in that context. A futile gesture.

DOESNT ANYONE NOTICE THIS?!? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!

[sprityo]

(im sure you have a cool role too)

Overall after catching up, this game is gonna be tough, because everyone talking looks pretty damn civ to me, minus a few transgressions. The most apparent issue was the circa day end when quin got +2 votes.

Also i think the following people are town.

SVS
Epi
Speedchuck
Long Con

You are all over you and Epi being considered as town, but he feels the EOD was weird? It WAS weird. VERY WEIRD. I am still way up in the air as to you, but Epi feels mostly town to me, minus any grammar based suspects. But what he did at EOD WAS weird. What you did WAS weird. Based on some of your own posts, even you seem to think it was a bit weird. Thinking someone did something questionable while also thinking they are likely not bad are not necessarily mutually exclusive things.

I don't disagree with you, but maybe I should have highlighted different things.

"everybody talking looks pretty damn civ to me" - talking about his difficulty finding scum reads
"The most apparent issue was the circa day end" - the one issue that doesn't look 'pretty damn civ'
Town:
Epi and speedchuck

I want to hear Sprityo's response, thanks.

Explain your issue because I’m not seeing it.

What I was saying was everybody actively participating hasn’t given me a bad feeling. And what with all the he talk about how you guys jumped to quin was what the “issue” is. Now I don’t see it as something major, more minor really. But I would still consider you and Epi as town thus far.

I’m not sure if that’s the response you’re looking for

[speedchuck]

Explain your issue because I’m not seeing it.

What I was saying was everybody actively participating hasn’t given me a bad feeling. And what with all the he talk about how you guys jumped to quin was what the “issue” is. Now I don’t see it as something major, more minor really. But I would still consider you and Epi as town thus far.

I’m not sure if that’s the response you’re looking for

It was.

I just wanted some clarification on what you meant by 'issue'

[nutella]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

"Sprityo is a civilian"

Don't you mean "Epi thought sprityo was a civilian"?

No. sprityo is a civilian.

[speedchuck]

guys. epi didn't want sprityo to get lynched. because sprityo is a civilian. this is not fucking complicated

"Sprityo is a civilian"

Don't you mean "Epi thought sprityo was a civilian"?

No. sprityo is a civilian.

I guess that's one way to avoid TMI. Double down.

Are you certain?

[speedchuck]

And by that, I mean, gimme a percentage.

[nutella]

Nah I just really really think he's town for mostly the same reasons Epi does. I'd give it like 90%.

[speedchuck]

Nah I just really really think he's town for mostly the same reasons Epi does. I'd give it like 90%.

Awww.

[S~V~S]

Here his probability of being Mafia is the same as anyone elses.

yeah I mean I didn't mean it really literally/mathematically, since we can't really know who didn't send in a haiku (so far we just know sprityo didn't, but like... his individual probability of being mafia is the same as anyone else's)

And here (two posts in a row since she didn't quote me, she now thinks his posts are civ.

nah man I just think it's pretty unlikely. if you think sprityo is bad go for it, but I don't think he is, and I don't think anyone else is vulnerable

You don't think he is because of the odds, or because of his posts? What do you think of his posts?

his posts look civ to me

I actually feel better about Sprit overall, but worse about Nutella. She just slipped away from DDL's point, and put a surety as an opinion. Who knows who is civ? Baddies. BUT we don't know how many baddies there are, so I would assume they do not either unless it is one very big bad team, then they might know.

I don't know how I feel about this. I am going to reread this thread in case it goes away with the night post.