Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

Locked

Who nunchucked sprityo?

Poll ended at Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:29 pm

Dharmahelper
0
No votes
DrWilgy
6
55%
Epignosis
0
No votes
Kylemii
0
No votes
Scotty
0
No votes
Sloonei
0
No votes
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Sprityo
0
No votes
Jay the nunchuck king (host/nons)
5
45%
 
Total votes: 11
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#751

Post by Epignosis »

speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:12 pm By "status quo," I mean that mafia were satisfied with the existing state of affairs in the other tribe, such that they did not feel the need to take down a loudmouth civilian who was raising hell and pointing fingers.
To be fair, it wouldn't get rid of the player.
That's true regardless of whom they chose.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#752

Post by Epignosis »

speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:49 pm Epignosis Who would you consider a go-along-to-get-along mafia player?
Please avoid the mention feature when you want me to address something. I tend to have technical issues with it. Just ask and I'll get to it, because I do read all posts.

Let me do some digging and think about this.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 1

#753

Post by Epignosis »

Quin wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:17 pm epignosis, please
sum up this double life talk
i'm tired and stupid
For now, I can answer Quin.

What we need are civilians going balls to the wall. This is one of those rare instances in which 3J's idea HAS to be right.

If you are a civilian, get every idea you have out into the open. There is no reason to be secretive. Provide a massive legacy in case you die. If you come back as mafia, you are more easily found out. :)

If you come back as a civilian, your views will remain consistent.

So let's go. Talk. Throw out opinions and justify them. Make others uncomfortable.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
speedchuck
Knight of No Renown
Posts in topic: 320
Posts: 10958
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#754

Post by speedchuck »

Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:49 pm Epignosis Who would you consider a go-along-to-get-along mafia player?
Please avoid the mention feature when you want me to address something. I tend to have technical issues with it. Just ask and I'll get to it, because I do read all posts.

Let me do some digging and think about this.
Sorry, forgot about that. :blush:
SIGNATURE:
Spoiler: show
Speedchuck wins the "Jack Torrance Has Always Been The Caretaker" award.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#755

Post by Epignosis »

speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:49 pm Epignosis Who would you consider a go-along-to-get-along mafia player?
Please avoid the mention feature when you want me to address something. I tend to have technical issues with it. Just ask and I'll get to it, because I do read all posts.

Let me do some digging and think about this.
Sorry, forgot about that. :blush:
No worries.

I'd rather here others share their opinions of go-along-get-along mafia before I share mine.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
speedchuck
Knight of No Renown
Posts in topic: 320
Posts: 10958
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#756

Post by speedchuck »

Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:54 pm I'd rather here others share their opinions of go-along-get-along mafia before I share mine.
Hm.

I feel no shame in saying that I'm one. I don't provide input on scumkills unless asked. Part of that is my limited access to Chatzy when you guys use that instead of quicktopic or something.

Can't really speak for anyone else, for that same reason.
SIGNATURE:
Spoiler: show
Speedchuck wins the "Jack Torrance Has Always Been The Caretaker" award.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#757

Post by Epignosis »

I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#758

Post by Long Con »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
Image
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#759

Post by Long Con »

Boomslang
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
LoRab
Marmot
nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
Image
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#760

Post by Epignosis »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
I understand your reservation. However, I do argue against killing certain people early on. I will grant, however, that this is a different scenario given that people have two lives, so I won't press that point. I appreciate the list of the other tribe. That's helpful.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#761

Post by Epignosis »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:15 am Boomslang
Unlikely to kill nijuukyugou Night 1.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#762

Post by Long Con »

Ok, then:
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:15 am Lorab
Unlikely to kill nijuukyugou Night 1.
Image
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#763

Post by Long Con »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:15 am Spacedaisy
Unlikely to kill nijuukyugou Night 1.
Image
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#764

Post by Dom »

speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:01 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine
literally why
speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:04 pm WOULD NOT LYNCH D2
sprityo
Epignosis
nutella
Quin

WOULD LYNCH D2
Dragon D Luffy
colonialbob
Dharmahelper
dom

It's as simple as that, folks.

LC is off the poll, SVS is out so long as she haikus, and I'm not lynching myself. Here's my line in the freaking sand, boys.
Please substantiate opinions.

speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:24 pm I haven't a read
on Dom, but you voted for
the lowest poster

Dom, who said that your
rainbow was bullshit, and now
you voted for him

No u much Chucky?
Why do you suspect him, Dom,
specifically?
I'm willing to vote for anyone in the four that I mentioned.

Dom is the one that I want to see more from at the moment.

Granted, Dom isn't the only one who dissed my beautiful rainbow. I forgot he did that. Are you sure that wasn't DH? Regardless.

If you've got a single reason for me not to vote Dom, please provide.
Why are you looking for reasons to not vote dom... should you not look for reasons TO vote for someone?

It's like you've made up your mind that you are going to vote for me.
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:05 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:45 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:41 pm nijuukyugou is not normally someone who draws a Night 1 Night kill.

And........
And that is something one who cares about finding mafia should consider.
Expound upon this. Why should I care whether Bloops is a Night 1 target or not? Who would target her N1, in your estimation? Mr. "Don't just say stuff"
nijuukyugou has never been, in my experience, killed Night 1. She also does not get lynched early, and she likes poetry, so I assume she would have sent in a poem. That means, if we accept the other tribe had the same haiku lynch protections in play, she would not have been in danger of being lynched. That means her BTSC partner would have been under no pressure to tip his or her hand (the rules notwithstanding). In addition, in my experience, nijuukyugou does not typically have a good reason to vote one person or the other Day 1.

Therefore nijuukyugou was a kill that happened because whatever discussion happened in the other tribe was comfortable enough discussion for the mafia faction. It was a clean kill that wouldn't lead to anybody, and one that was unlikely to draw the attention of any protective roles.

Given the above, I am looking for go-along-get-along people here.
Extrapolation
and more extrapolation
quite a jump there
You're going to have to get used to extrapolation. I have no other tools to worth with when considering the Night kill target given that I don't know what went on there. But I do know what nijuukyugou does 90% of the time on Days 1, and I know her in real life, and I introduced her to this site, so if I'm going to be comfortable making extrapolations, it will be now.

This was a kill meant to maintain the status-quo in their tribe. Book it.
Epi, I understand your theory, and it's a great theory.

I have two questions:
1) How can we test it?
2) What does it mean for us here on Team Pikachu?

sprityo wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:10 pm Do you guys think if I voted Dom he’d be more likely to appear?
I don't really appreciate this.
I haven't had time for mafia in a while. I work three jobs and try and maintain a social life. I'm gone for a few hours and I come back to sarcastic posts about how inactive I am.

Maybe I really shouldn't play anymore.
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
I'm unsure this was Rob's aim, but I agree, he's not off the table.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#765

Post by Epignosis »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:22 am Ok, then:
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:15 am Lorab
Unlikely to kill nijuukyugou Night 1.
I agree, I think, but why?
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#766

Post by Epignosis »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:15 am Spacedaisy
Unlikely to kill nijuukyugou Night 1.
I agree.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#767

Post by Long Con »

Both my calls are based on Olde Friendship
Image
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#768

Post by Epignosis »

Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#769

Post by Dom »

Hey guys-- this is neat, but....

do you have opinions of people who are on this team.... or ideas on how this relates to our team..... or a way to explain to me that I'm missing something obvious?

Because, otherwise.... :shrug:
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#770

Post by DharmaHelper »

Hey people who are working on figuring out who wouldn't kill Bloops.

Not to be a wet blanket but does it matter since she has two lives? Would that make people more likely to chip at her just to get the cred you are ascribing to them now?
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#771

Post by Dom »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 am Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
That's not what I did.
But cool.

You really make me feel like I made a good decision by playing again though.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#772

Post by Dom »

DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am Hey people who are working on figuring out who wouldn't kill Bloops.

Not to be a wet blanket but does it matter since she has two lives? Would that make people more likely to chip at her just to get the cred you are ascribing to them now?
Agree, but I am stuck in 2015 where I am a stupid person.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#773

Post by Long Con »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
I'm unsure this was Rob's aim, but I agree, he's not off the table.
Was the orange text directed at Epi above, or Long Con below?

And as for "unsure of Rob's aim"... he's definitely being "solvey" with this, but don't downplay:
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:31 pmPeople will roll their eyes and scoff at this, for example, but I would never kill nijuukyugou Night 1. Not only would I not like to do it on the basis that we are friends, I also don't see it as good strategy, since nijuukyugou likes to sit back early on and observe, and I thus would not advise my team to kill her Night 1. If you buy that, and I'm cool if you don't, then you have less reason to suspect me, which should give you more reason to suspect other people.
He's doubled down (in the parlance of our times) on that claim now that I called it out. Which surprises no one, I'm sure.
Image
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#774

Post by Dom »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 am
Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
I'm unsure this was Rob's aim, but I agree, he's not off the table.
Was the orange text directed at Epi above, or Long Con below?

And as for "unsure of Rob's aim"... he's definitely being "solvey" with this, but don't downplay:
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:31 pmPeople will roll their eyes and scoff at this, for example, but I would never kill nijuukyugou Night 1. Not only would I not like to do it on the basis that we are friends, I also don't see it as good strategy, since nijuukyugou likes to sit back early on and observe, and I thus would not advise my team to kill her Night 1. If you buy that, and I'm cool if you don't, then you have less reason to suspect me, which should give you more reason to suspect other people.
He's doubled down (in the parlance of our times) on that claim now that I called it out. Which surprises no one, I'm sure.
I was talking to Rob.

I seemed to have missed that particular post. I just caught up on like 4 or so pages, I do apologize.

Yeah, we shouldn't clear anyone simply because everyone has two lives and killing someone does not mean much in that regard.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#775

Post by DharmaHelper »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 am Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
Not voting for people you think are civs 3 minutes before the poll closes is so 2015 :mafia:
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
speedchuck
Knight of No Renown
Posts in topic: 320
Posts: 10958
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#776

Post by speedchuck »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:29 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:24 pm I haven't a read
on Dom, but you voted for
the lowest poster

Dom, who said that your
rainbow was bullshit, and now
you voted for him

No u much Chucky?
Why do you suspect him, Dom,
specifically?
I'm willing to vote for anyone in the four that I mentioned.

Dom is the one that I want to see more from at the moment.

Granted, Dom isn't the only one who dissed my beautiful rainbow. I forgot he did that. Are you sure that wasn't DH? Regardless.

If you've got a single reason for me not to vote Dom, please provide.
Why are you looking for reasons to not vote dom... should you not look for reasons TO vote for someone?

It's like you've made up your mind that you are going to vote for me.
It's not like that at all.

I've POE'd me a list for today. You're on it. So are other people. Who do YOU think I should vote for?
I'm getting kinda tired of being suspected for voting early. If I had voted for any of the other three on my list, I guarantee that I would have gotten just as much kickback. Votes are changeable. React, suspect, hunt, solve, instead of complaining that I clicked a poll option.

I get that you're busy, though, Dom. I will endeavor not to be sarcastic about anything there. I like playing with you. :)
SIGNATURE:
Spoiler: show
Speedchuck wins the "Jack Torrance Has Always Been The Caretaker" award.
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImageImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#777

Post by Long Con »

DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am Hey people who are working on figuring out who wouldn't kill Bloops.

Not to be a wet blanket but does it matter since she has two lives? Would that make people more likely to chip at her just to get the cred you are ascribing to them now?
Damn, good point. Killing someone Night 1 doesn't have the same stigma as usual. I think nijuu is absolutely very much less likely than anyone else to be killed anytime soon. If the baddies kill her again, then it's super-duper dickish. And who's going to want to lynch her? Just assume that she's a Civ-turned-bad?

You are no wet blanket, you are a warm light bulb.
Image
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#778

Post by Epignosis »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 am Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
That's not what I did.
But cool.

You really make me feel like I made a good decision by playing again though.
Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
You don't buy this for a second.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#779

Post by Long Con »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:34 am
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:32 am
Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:05 am I don't care about what you would do. In your experience, what would other people suggest if they are bad?
The nature of a team means that this kind of thing is flexible. Take you, for instance. If you're on the baddie team, you wouldn't suggest killing nijuu. I believe that. But, a situation where you aren't really bothered with who to kill, but your passionate teammate really thinks a nijuu kill would benefit the team, do you really step up and say "No - not my friend. Never MY friend on Night 1!"

The point here isn't to put you on the defensive for killing nijuu, but rather to showcase why this exercise shouldn't be used to clear anybody, as you offhandedly cleared yourself.

Who is on the other tribe?
I'm unsure this was Rob's aim, but I agree, he's not off the table.
Was the orange text directed at Epi above, or Long Con below?

And as for "unsure of Rob's aim"... he's definitely being "solvey" with this, but don't downplay:
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:31 pmPeople will roll their eyes and scoff at this, for example, but I would never kill nijuukyugou Night 1. Not only would I not like to do it on the basis that we are friends, I also don't see it as good strategy, since nijuukyugou likes to sit back early on and observe, and I thus would not advise my team to kill her Night 1. If you buy that, and I'm cool if you don't, then you have less reason to suspect me, which should give you more reason to suspect other people.
He's doubled down (in the parlance of our times) on that claim now that I called it out. Which surprises no one, I'm sure.
I was talking to Rob.

I seemed to have missed that particular post. I just caught up on like 4 or so pages, I do apologize.

Yeah, we shouldn't clear anyone simply because everyone has two lives and killing someone does not mean much in that regard.
No apology necessary, especially to Long Con, Skimmer of Games. :noble:
Image
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#780

Post by Dom »

speedchuck wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:35 am

It's not like that at all.

I've POE'd me a list for today. You're on it. So are other people. Who do YOU think I should vote for?
I'm getting kinda tired of being suspected for voting early. If I had voted for any of the other three on my list, I guarantee that I would have gotten just as much kickback. Votes are changeable. React, suspect, hunt, solve, instead of complaining that I clicked a poll option.

I get that you're busy, though, Dom. I will endeavor not to be sarcastic about anything there. I like playing with you. :)
You mentioned a suspicion of me on Day 1.... was that POE as well?
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:36 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am Hey people who are working on figuring out who wouldn't kill Bloops.

Not to be a wet blanket but does it matter since she has two lives? Would that make people more likely to chip at her just to get the cred you are ascribing to them now?
Damn, good point. Killing someone Night 1 doesn't have the same stigma as usual. I think nijuu is absolutely very much less likely than anyone else to be killed anytime soon. If the baddies kill her again, then it's super-duper dickish. And who's going to want to lynch her? Just assume that she's a Civ-turned-bad?

You are no wet blanket, you are a warm light bulb.
I think it could be argued that nju could be bad herself from this kill.
But maybe I should drink the wine in front of you instead.


Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:37 am
Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 am Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
That's not what I did.
But cool.

You really make me feel like I made a good decision by playing again though.
Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:48 pm People would rather mock and dismiss rather than discuss. Y'all have at it. I'm heading over to Fire Emblem.
....come on dude....


I don't buy this for a second.
You don't buy this for a second.
I don't buy that he is being mocked and dismissed.

His theory has been the source of discussion for a bit now. I think it has merit. I don't think it's the only thing we should discuss and I think we should center that discussion on how we can find baddies here.

Rob really just sat here and said he was mocked for posting a theory and he's not here to do that when he then mocked me for thinking he's too thick skinned to really care about that, attributed suspicions that I never stated (that he's not talking about PUNCTUATION, JFC), and implying that I am a bad player and don't care to grow as a player and he does so he must be of a higher mindset than me???


Nah, I don't buy that for a second. Not even on sale.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#781

Post by Dom »

Thank you, speedchuck. I enjoy you in games as well :)
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#782

Post by Epignosis »

Yeah, Dom, I can't do this.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#783

Post by Long Con »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:44 am
speedchuck wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:35 am

It's not like that at all.

I've POE'd me a list for today. You're on it. So are other people. Who do YOU think I should vote for?
I'm getting kinda tired of being suspected for voting early. If I had voted for any of the other three on my list, I guarantee that I would have gotten just as much kickback. Votes are changeable. React, suspect, hunt, solve, instead of complaining that I clicked a poll option.

I get that you're busy, though, Dom. I will endeavor not to be sarcastic about anything there. I like playing with you. :)
You mentioned a suspicion of me on Day 1.... was that POE as well?
Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:36 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:31 am Hey people who are working on figuring out who wouldn't kill Bloops.

Not to be a wet blanket but does it matter since she has two lives? Would that make people more likely to chip at her just to get the cred you are ascribing to them now?
Damn, good point. Killing someone Night 1 doesn't have the same stigma as usual. I think nijuu is absolutely very much less likely than anyone else to be killed anytime soon. If the baddies kill her again, then it's super-duper dickish. And who's going to want to lynch her? Just assume that she's a Civ-turned-bad?

You are no wet blanket, you are a warm light bulb.
I think it could be argued that nju could be bad herself from this kill.
But maybe I should drink the wine in front of you instead.
Ugh, my mind went there as well. Too far down the rabbit hole to pursue, I think.
Image
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#784

Post by Long Con »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:46 am Yeah, Dom, I can't do this.
You're allowed to have a suspicion against you without squelching it.
Image
User avatar
Long Con
So Divine
Posts in topic: 187
Posts: 23798
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:57 pm
Location: Canada
Gender: Dude
Preferred Pronouns: boy ones

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#785

Post by Long Con »

Anyway, I'm probably reading it all wrong and said something stupid again. Time for bed. Sweet dreams y'all.
Image
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#786

Post by Dom »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:46 am Yeah, Dom, I can't do this.
Called out on bullshit and now???


K dude
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#787

Post by Epignosis »

Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:47 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:46 am Yeah, Dom, I can't do this.
You're allowed to have a suspicion against you without squelching it.
Rob really just sat here and said he was mocked for posting a theory and he's not here to do that when he then mocked me for thinking he's too thick skinned to really care about that, attributed suspicions that I never stated (that he's not talking about PUNCTUATION, JFC), and implying that I am a bad player and don't care to grow as a player and he does so he must be of a higher mindset than me???
No thank you.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#788

Post by Dom »

I asked specific questions about your theory only for them to be ignored in this vein.

Let the record show Epignosis has no interest in discussing his theory-- only in theorizing about people we can't vote for and personally attacking people.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#789

Post by Epignosis »

I'm done.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#790

Post by Dom »

Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 am Dom, you amuse me. You and DH and S~V~S are here expecting stuff from 2015. I'm a better player, I think, because I've played a lot and clashed with other cultures. That's a good thing.

Getting suspected because I'm not pointing out punctuation errors or refusing to put up with people dismissing my arguments when I could be doing stuff in another game?

You can remain in 2014 if you wish. I've moved on. I've tried to become a better Mafia player over the years. Newcomers have helped me up my game. I'm grateful for them. In this Game of Champions, I am going to show my stuff.
:rolleyes:
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#791

Post by Dom »

Don't dish it if you can't take it.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#792

Post by DharmaHelper »

Epi I was playing mafia while you were in diapers.
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
colonialbob
Loan Shark
Posts in topic: 88
Posts: 2982
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:21 am
Gender: Male
Preferred Pronouns: He/his/him

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#793

Post by colonialbob »

I think speedchuck is alright. Not voting him today.
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#794

Post by Dom »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:23 am
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:05 pm
S~V~S wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:45 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:42 pm


And........
And that is something one who cares about finding mafia should consider.
Expound upon this. Why should I care whether Bloops is a Night 1 target or not? Who would target her N1, in your estimation? Mr. "Don't just say stuff"
nijuukyugou has never been, in my experience, killed Night 1. She also does not get lynched early, and she likes poetry, so I assume she would have sent in a poem. That means, if we accept the other tribe had the same haiku lynch protections in play, she would not have been in danger of being lynched. That means her BTSC partner would have been under no pressure to tip his or her hand (the rules notwithstanding). In addition, in my experience, nijuukyugou does not typically have a good reason to vote one person or the other Day 1.

Therefore nijuukyugou was a kill that happened because whatever discussion happened in the other tribe was comfortable enough discussion for the mafia faction. It was a clean kill that wouldn't lead to anybody, and one that was unlikely to draw the attention of any protective roles.

Given the above, I am looking for go-along-get-along people here.
Extrapolation
and more extrapolation
quite a jump there
You're going to have to get used to extrapolation. I have no other tools to worth with when considering the Night kill target given that I don't know what went on there. But I do know what nijuukyugou does 90% of the time on Days 1, and I know her in real life, and I introduced her to this site, so if I'm going to be comfortable making extrapolations, it will be now.

This was a kill meant to maintain the status-quo in their tribe. Book it.
Epi, I understand your theory, and it's a great theory.

I have two questions:
1) How can we test it?
2) What does it mean for us here on Team Pikachu?
I asked Rob these two questions. This was my first reaction to his theory.

This was mocking him and dismissing him, apparently.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
Dom
mayor of gaytown
Posts in topic: 195
Posts: 9997
Joined: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 pm
Location: Wherever Niall is TBH

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#795

Post by Dom »

Dom wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:30 am Hey guys-- this is neat, but....

do you have opinions of people who are on this team.... or ideas on how this relates to our team..... or a way to explain to me that I'm missing something obvious?

Because, otherwise.... :shrug:
I also made this post.


Rob's reaction to these things was to say I mocked and dismissed him, saying I was stuck in 2014 and he's become a better player blah blah blah.

None of that answers my questions.
Spoiler: show
ImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImageImage
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#796

Post by DharmaHelper »

Anyway, I think it's super cool that in the four years since 2014 Epignosis' main take away with regards to improving his mafia game was "Talk about the players in a different thread than the one we're in right now"
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#797

Post by DharmaHelper »

As a side note,

Is it really commonplace now for people to just dump their votes right before EoD without word one as to why? That's something you all have accepted as a normal thing, not at all even 1% suspect?
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#798

Post by Epignosis »

DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:29 am As a side note,

Is it really commonplace now for people to just dump their votes right before EoD without word one as to why? That's something you all have accepted as a normal thing, not at all even 1% suspect?
Yes. I love it.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
Epignosis
Skeletor
Posts in topic: 431
Posts: 41277
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#799

Post by Epignosis »

Dom, you may vote me if you wish.

I will not vote you, nor will I interact with you. I just think that's best for us both. I didn't mean to insult you, but you took it that way. I don't like that you assumed my comment that I got better at Mafia by playing more Mafia as a personal affront, but it wasn't anything of the sort.

Good luck to you.
Stream my music for free: https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/
User avatar
DharmaHelper
Capo Regime (Street Boss)
Posts in topic: 667
Posts: 16565
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Day 2

#800

Post by DharmaHelper »

I think I'd get along too much with the people on the other tribe. This tribe is much more lively and interesting.
our Linkitis is our lives.

Image
ImageImage
ImageImage
Locked

Return to “Previous Sit Downs”