Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Everybody let me know if you’re supposed to promote at EOD. Kthnx

[Quin]

i'm here. nutella case coming.


My case on lapluie is more self-explanatory. Her early posts used lack of familiarity as a crutch, and when I called her out for not posting here while she was posting in other places on the site she denied it. It was like pulling teeth from chickens to get her to admit it.

[Quin]

nutella:

I hate nutella's case on me and the way she went about presenting it. She discredited what I had to say as a NO U, but I don't care. She bad.

nutella was on board with dunya in that I was bad for not having scumreads on Day 1. That's a bad case any way I look at it. We're not at a buffet where we pick and choose the reads we want. She followed through with this by doing a big ISO on me, in which she labelled half of my Day 1 content as being empty and of no value because they didn't explicitly contain reads. nutella has played with me enough to know that shooting off reads every which way is not how I play mafia.

I also have issues with this post specifically:

Jay, Jack's night post was at x:52, but I'm not entirely sure if he's using that

I'm trusting the poll title. Just before midnight.

Well he never put a fucking time in the poll and that's fucking vague so I'm going by the time of the night post

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

[Quin]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[gwilikers6]

RDW
cbob
ID
Lap
Quin

Something like this for my scum picks. I have no time to contribute otherwise tonight. I'll be around tomorrow though.

[sprityo]

Yknow quin that’s a good case. What still puzzles me though is how the wagon shifted to Wilgy so hard yesterday. It just looked like teammate helping to me. But I mean it was two people considered town. So it’s a mess to think about really.

But hey, with that i look to see more stuff like this from you quin, [VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine since M’lady is voting that way still I believe

Anyone else care to put insight on quin’s Nutella case?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Yknow quin that’s a good case. What still puzzles me though is how the wagon shifted to Wilgy so hard yesterday. It just looked like teammate helping to me. But I mean it was two people considered town. So it’s a mess to think about really.

But hey, with that i look to see more stuff like this from you quin, [VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine since M’lady is voting that way still I believe

Anyone else care to put insight on quin’s Nutella case?

Imo the wagon was on Wilgy for most of the day, it was on Quin for a short time.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

nutella:

I hate nutella's case on me and the way she went about presenting it. She discredited what I had to say as a NO U, but I don't care. She bad.

nutella was on board with dunya in that I was bad for not having scumreads on Day 1. That's a bad case any way I look at it. We're not at a buffet where we pick and choose the reads we want. She followed through with this by doing a big ISO on me, in which she labelled half of my Day 1 content as being empty and of no value because they didn't explicitly contain reads. nutella has played with me enough to know that shooting off reads every which way is not how I play mafia.

I also have issues with this post specifically:

Jay, Jack's night post was at x:52, but I'm not entirely sure if he's using that

I'm trusting the poll title. Just before midnight.

Well he never put a fucking time in the poll and that's fucking vague so I'm going by the time of the night post

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

Just so I don't have to search, who is the teammate?

[Quin]

nutella:

I hate nutella's case on me and the way she went about presenting it. She discredited what I had to say as a NO U, but I don't care. She bad.

nutella was on board with dunya in that I was bad for not having scumreads on Day 1. That's a bad case any way I look at it. We're not at a buffet where we pick and choose the reads we want. She followed through with this by doing a big ISO on me, in which she labelled half of my Day 1 content as being empty and of no value because they didn't explicitly contain reads. nutella has played with me enough to know that shooting off reads every which way is not how I play mafia.

I also have issues with this post specifically:

Jay, Jack's night post was at x:52, but I'm not entirely sure if he's using that

I'm trusting the poll title. Just before midnight.

Well he never put a fucking time in the poll and that's fucking vague so I'm going by the time of the night post

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

Just so I don't have to search, who is the teammate?

going off the way the vote tally looked at the time, bob or lapluie.

[sig]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

[speedchuck]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

[Epignosis]

So can we talk about why the scum night kill might have failed?

Fishing for information to make more strategic decisions when the next Night comes around.

[Epignosis]

while we're putting cards on the table.... kenway and I are also masons. we became mage-sons on day 3 and he's only checked in once to say "teach me master" and "I am town". he hasn't spoken to me or even checked back in since.

Jack has told me a few times that our having a masonic relationship doesn't guarantee that we're both civ, but that's led to some confusion for me, regarding background powers, because if Kenway could potentially be mafia but also have btsc with me wouldn't that make his civ background power (in the scenario where he's mafia) also just a real power? unless in that scenario the btsc were only supplied by my huge wizardly muscles and he would just be the recipient of it. except I was told we could just start up our btsc as soon as day 3 began, which implied that Kenway already knew about our oncoming btsc, so it must have also been part of his role background??? right?? or else i'd just seem like some random dude messaging him

The biggest reason to suspect Kenway is that he isn't interacting with you in BTSC.

sprityo almost went ham on my ass when Mac died. He's been a great communicator, and has looked genuine even when pressed. If I lose to that cat, I can live with that.

But if Kenway isn't talking to you, to me that sounds like he's not comfortable being in there with you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I mean she has to be bad in at least one game right

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I feel like when Zebra tunneled me on day 1 in two games at the same time.

I was civ on both.

And she was bad on both.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Though Nutella doesn't look that bad here compared to games I remember where she was bad. This gives me pause.

Truth be told, ID is the one I want to lynch. I just dislike the idea of having the lynch fail.

[Epignosis]

Anybody got a tally?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Anybody got a tally?

I'll make one, give me a moment

[nutella]

nutella:

I hate nutella's case on me and the way she went about presenting it. She discredited what I had to say as a NO U, but I don't care. She bad.

nutella was on board with dunya in that I was bad for not having scumreads on Day 1. That's a bad case any way I look at it. We're not at a buffet where we pick and choose the reads we want. She followed through with this by doing a big ISO on me, in which she labelled half of my Day 1 content as being empty and of no value because they didn't explicitly contain reads. nutella has played with me enough to know that shooting off reads every which way is not how I play mafia.

Sorry I don't keep a detailed file on your meta. I found your D1 content suspicious and dissimilar to behavior I've seen from you in games in which you were town. Simple as that.

I also have issues with this post specifically:

Jay, Jack's night post was at x:52, but I'm not entirely sure if he's using that

I'm trusting the poll title. Just before midnight.

Well he never put a fucking time in the poll and that's fucking vague so I'm going by the time of the night post

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

This is a stupid point and I've addressed it already. For one thing, as I have pointed out already, the votes in between :52 and :00 did not actually affect who was in the lead to be lynched. Whether or not those votes counted, Cbob was in the lead (though Dr. White was the one who ended up dying). I was frustrated because I was trying to keep track of votes accurately and I was irritated about the EOD not being clear. No teammates or anything. Though I did strongly prefer a Lap lynch as I thought Bob was civ.

Seriously this argument doesn't even make sense if you look at the votes.

Ok

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

I mean she has to be bad in at least one game right

......no??

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[4] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, Epignosis, speedchuck, sprityo
[2] Quin - Marmot, Nutella
[2] Nutella - Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf

No vote: Kenway, Kylemii, gwilikers6, Colonialbob, Kites, Lapluie, Sig

aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Current OMGUS pairs:

Nutella vs Quin
ID vs RDW

Interesting...

[nutella]

Current OMGUS pairs:

Nutella vs Quin
ID vs RDW

Interesting...

I resent this classification. My suspicion of Quin is not an "OMGUS." I don't do that shit.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Current OMGUS pairs:

Nutella vs Quin
ID vs RDW

Interesting...

I resent this classification. My suspicion of Quin is not an "OMGUS." I don't do that shit.

Nutella, my dear.

We all do that shit.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Now seriously, OMGUS is just a title. The point is, there are two pairs of players suspecting each other mutually. That makes me curious. I want to know what the rest of you think.

Who is bad, Nutella or Quin? RDW or ID?

Or is it civ/civ?

Or is it bussing?

[nutella]

Current OMGUS pairs:

Nutella vs Quin
ID vs RDW

Interesting...

I resent this classification. My suspicion of Quin is not an "OMGUS." I don't do that shit.

Nutella, my dear.

We all do that shit.

No.

[nutella]

I have never once in my mafia career suspected someone just because they suspected me. We're not in fucking preschool.

[Epignosis]

I have never once in my mafia career suspected someone just because they suspected me. We're not in fucking preschool.

Better than being in preschool fucking.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I have never once in my mafia career suspected someone just because they suspected me. We're not in fucking preschool.

I'm not gonna call you on that, but I disagree it is so childish.

I think it's a natural reaction.

Someone says you are bad. If you are a civ, you think their argument is crap (because it is). You don't want to think the person is stupid (because they usually aren't) so you decide they are malicious.

It's easier to believe the other person is bad and out to get us than to accept we just look scummy for some reason and deal with the fact that isn't going away easily.

[Quin]

I have never once in my mafia career suspected someone just because they suspected me. We're not in fucking preschool.

yeah, but apparently I do

It also doesn't matter whether votes between :52 and :00 changed things or not. You're talking hindsight. In that moment, I think one of your teammates was in danger of being lynched.

[Epignosis]

Someone dispel the notion that, since all mafia are from the bad place, we can't narrow down who is bad by simply looking at the front page. I know this had to have been discussed, and I assume it can't be done, but I want to hear the conclusion.

[nutella]

I have never once in my mafia career suspected someone just because they suspected me. We're not in fucking preschool.

yeah, but apparently I do

It also doesn't matter whether votes between :52 and :00 changed things or not. You're talking hindsight. In that moment, I think one of your teammates was in danger of being lynched.

No.

[sig]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.

[Quin]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.

you've played with her twice though

in buffy you thought she was good and in MK you barely talked about her

where's this coming from?

[sig]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.

you've played with her twice though

in buffy you thought she was good and in MK you barely talked about her

where's this coming from?

I actually killed her in buffy :rip

Also she's playing the same and i don't think the mafia would pick her.

[Epignosis]

sig, whom have you killed?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[lapluie]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.

you've played with her twice though

in buffy you thought she was good and in MK you barely talked about her

where's this coming from?

I was town in both of those games.. lol

[lapluie]

My vote still stands for nutella

[VOTE: NUTELLA ] aubergine

[lapluie]

tiny eggplant I see

[Kylemii]

Everybody let me know if you’re supposed to promote at EOD. Kthnx

I would like a promotion to sage manager please.

[Kylemii]

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

who all was up for lunch at that time?

[Kylemii]

The biggest reason to suspect Kenway is that he isn't interacting with you in BTSC.

sprityo almost went ham on my ass when Mac died. He's been a great communicator, and has looked genuine even when pressed. If I lose to that cat, I can live with that.

But if Kenway isn't talking to you, to me that sounds like he's not comfortable being in there with you.

idk. it's hard to say given that I have never played with him before, and he hasn't posted much (relatively) in the actual thread. He hasn't so much as peeked into btsc since he made his "teach me master" and "I am town" posts. I don't think he's even read my responses.

someone who's more familiar with him might have a better idea of how active he normally is in btsc. a civ mage kenway I would expect to at least come in and make sure we're not targeting the same players, but a mafia mage kenway might want to benefit his team by finding out my targets. I'm getting... neither of those.

[speedchuck]

This is the entire conversation. She's not sure when day ends, and then she's suddenly irritated and stubborn about the lack of clarification. She wasn't up for lynch. I think she was about to lose a teammate.

who all was up for lunch at that time?

I'm always up for lunch.

[Epignosis]

The biggest reason to suspect Kenway is that he isn't interacting with you in BTSC.

sprityo almost went ham on my ass when Mac died. He's been a great communicator, and has looked genuine even when pressed. If I lose to that cat, I can live with that.

But if Kenway isn't talking to you, to me that sounds like he's not comfortable being in there with you.

idk. it's hard to say given that I have never played with him before, and he hasn't posted much (relatively) in the actual thread. He hasn't so much as peeked into btsc since he made his "teach me master" and "I am town" posts. I don't think he's even read my responses.

someone who's more familiar with him might have a better idea of how active he normally is in btsc. a civ mage kenway I would expect to at least come in and make sure we're not targeting the same players, but a mafia mage kenway might want to benefit his team by finding out my targets. I'm getting... neither of those.

If I were you, I'd lynch him.

If I were me, I'd lynch him.

[sprityo]

we have an overabundance of "people who we think are town but they dont say close to anything" and thats where mafia is hiding im sure

[Marmot]

I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.

Cool. Any reason for that?

I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.

How many games have you played with lapluie where you were civilian?

[Iron_Dwarf]

Jack, how does it work with the lives and lynching? Just so everyone is on the same page.

[Iron_Dwarf]

Spoiler: show

DDL

Spoiler: show

Tried to misdirect Kites and it failed.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

CBOB

Spoiler: show

Arglebargle.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

For mac.

NUTELLA

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

SPRITYO

Spoiler: show

well the post really reads like you protected mac so probably redirected?

Doesn't read like that to me.

Reads like 3 people arguing over who deflected the kill.

I'm guessing the normal mafia kill didn't go through tonight, and that these are bonus kills. Probably a townie killed Kites. IDK which side killed Mac. Maybe an extra scumkill?

linki: agreed. I wouldn't put too much stock in flavortext.

Im all for lynching a myrmidon. unless redirectors pitch in what they submitted, that sounds like a good place to start

since DDL is unreachable in terms of garnering votes (aside from being generally townie) [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

LAPLUIE

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

SIG

Spoiler: show

Okay but here’s the thing, why did sig LC.

I looked through some of Sig's later posts, he does mention suspecting LC a lot, it's not a completely out of left field choice.

Yeah I thought I was pretty clear in that I was going to whack him or aim for Wilgy again.

Plus he was on Jay's list, but i'd have probably shot him anyway I thought he was mafia.

My bad LC

I decided against hitting Wilgy since it didn't work last time, I considered MM, but I figured LC was a better choice.

[VOTE: Dr.Wilgy] aubergine

I'd also be fine voting for sprityo.

IRON_DWARF

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

SPEEDCHUCK

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

I see you in here. Give us stuff.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

SPRITYO

Spoiler: show

Come on Quin, tell me your night action.

Let’s not feign ignorance

okay. i didn't submit. i didn't want long con redirecting me into a town read.

Elaborate please

i just did.

So you didn’t submit a night action because Long Con would’ve redirected you into a town read. I just wanted to make sure I read that correctly.

Leads me to the next question of how we got critical hits in the flavor post then

I’m gonna snoop around some more

For now: [VOTE: unvote] aubergine you’re not cleared yet in my eyes still tho

SPEEDCHUCK

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine
[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

EPI

Spoiler: show

My problem is that with Jay and Mac dead, the ratio of useful town players/useless load is at an all time low. This is how mafias win. Never mind that we also lost Dunya and got a less talkative player instead (no offense speed, but you don't lead the town the same way).

It was fun to tinfoil about Jay being bad, but now I wanna be more practical.

Yeah, no.

You don't get to have the moral victory here.

I'm more suspicious of Epi after today.

I might ISO him.

Any outcome?

9/10 times I say I'll ISO someone I procrastinate it until the end of time

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

anyways I’m fine with Wilgy lynch, i had my suspicions earlier and hes just dead weight

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine
rip brother if it’s really you

[VOTE: quin] aubergine in case i forgot

I don't know how active I'll be today I've got real life junk to do for awhile so I'm going to throw down a vote for Wilgy.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

My main suspects are Quin, nutella, rundontwalk and DrWilgy as of now.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I'm more than fine with going for Quin instead, who was on my radar for a longer time.

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Won't be around much today. I hope to be around more tomorrow.

RUNDONTWALK

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

ugh I'm starting to feel doubt and wanting to move to Quin since I've had some suspicion on him all game and pushing that aside might be a mistake

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

RUNDONTWALK

Spoiler: show

Unvote Quin

Aubergine

[VOTE: DrWigly ] aubergine

EPI

Spoiler: show

I mean, it doesn't matter if you are managing to lynch your suspect, what matters is if it looks like you have a suspect.

I had a suspect, and he got lynched, and I am a donkey.

Had I been correct, I might have been more motivated, but I'm not, and it doesn't help that I now basically have three jobs.

To be fair, I suspect rundontwalk more than I suspect you, and Iron Dwarf has crept past you also with that loaded question of his: What was the point in asking me why I was "throwing away" my vote on a guy who 'looks" like a civilian?

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

I just considered how difficult it will be for town to win if Iron Dwarf does end up being scum. The quinwagon ain't happening, it looks like, so fuck it.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I still think quin should be lynched tomorrow regardless of how Wilgy flips.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

DDL

Spoiler: show

Actually screw it

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

FWIW I preferred Wilgy but I'm also ok with this. Town unity and all that.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

QUIN

Spoiler: show

Someone tell me why my nutella and lapluie cases suck. They must suck, because nobody's bothered to talk about them.

Take the initiative. Quote one them and push the wagon.

I did multiple times. If you actually care about making an informed lynch you'll do your research.

I'm on phone.

You are one of the leading wagons.

Swim or sink.

\_(:T)_/

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

DDL

Spoiler: show

I'm a bleeding heart.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

im going out, might be back for eod, might not. dont lynch me plz.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine for insurance purposes

RUNDONTWALK

Spoiler: show

Unvote

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

SPEEDCHUCK

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Will change back for majority's sake if vote is close but Wilgy is winning

I will follow my bitch.

How's that for irony?

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

DDL

Spoiler: show

I like the people in the Quin wagon better.

Also fuck ties.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Unvite

[VOTE: Dr wigly] aubergine

Huuuurggg...

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

Fixing the format

every single vote for Day 4

And here are the Final Votes of the day

Spoilered votes means that the person voted but was not their final vote

as you can see DDL, Speedchuck and RDW changed frequently. waffle house over there

All the waffling makes a last minute vote quite uncertain, and I'm not sure what to make of it. What would be a scum player's endgame there?

[Iron_Dwarf]

So can we talk about why the scum night kill might have failed?

Fishing for information to make more strategic decisions when the next Night comes around.

Or perhaps it's possible to link them back to the behavior of players during the day, making their town case more likely or unlikely?

[Iron_Dwarf]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

There is just hardly a contribution. Seems like under the radar scum behavior.