Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Epignosis]

My bad I forgot the adverb.

It's an adjective.

[Dom]

I suspect DH because he hasn't done anything definitive to advance the civilian cause. He pokes, prods, says sarcastic shit, posts the usual gifs and videos, begs the question, assumes people are bad to accuse them of being bad, acts like accountability means anything (it rarely does) and his posts look like he's just trying to get somebody lynched...except yesterday when he didn't.

If, on the other hand, I am to defend DH, I can only do so on two fronts:

First, a civilian DH likes toying with people more than a mafia DH. That's my experience from many moons ago.

Second, if you were to accept the premise that mafia struggle to generate the level of content DH has (a premise I still don't agree with, but some zealots buy into this like it's a religion and only MP is the Devil), then DH is likely a civilian. I won't go there myself.

Discuss.

Question on accountability:
isn't the point of a JJJ strategy to have everyone be accountable and see what happens?

My bad I forgot the adverb.

I have some news for you.

That's an adjective.

[DharmaHelper]

I suspect DH because he hasn't done anything definitive to advance the civilian cause. He pokes, prods, says sarcastic shit, posts the usual gifs and videos, begs the question, assumes people are bad to accuse them of being bad, acts like accountability means anything (it rarely does) and his posts look like he's just trying to get somebody lynched...except yesterday when he didn't.

If, on the other hand, I am to defend DH, I can only do so on two fronts:

First, a civilian DH likes toying with people more than a mafia DH. That's my experience from many moons ago.

Second, if you were to accept the premise that mafia struggle to generate the level of content DH has (a premise I still don't agree with, but some zealots buy into this like it's a religion and only MP is the Devil), then DH is likely a civilian. I won't go there myself.

Discuss.

1. Hasn't done anything to advance the civilian cause ----> Meaning what? I have a suspect, I'm following that lead. What am I or anyone expected to have done to advance the civilian cause Day 2, when Day 1 was an utter wash wrapped in a complete farce.
2. Pokes Prods, etc etc and so on ----> Yes hello we've met.
3. Begs and assumes and etc ----> No wrong I have proof you're just ignoring the proof because you're you.
4. Acts like accountability means anything ----> Adverbs
5. Trying to get someone lynched ----> Gasp! In a game of mafia? Be still my heart.

You haven't done anything definitive. You are leaving important words out of what I say. Your suspicion of speedchuck doesn't mean anything to me. You voted him Day 1 when he presumably could not be lynched, and you are mischaracterizing my defense of him by omitting the second part of it.

You're saying nonsense. You're speaking tongues. I've not done anything definitive. My suspicion means nothing to you. What are you talking about, what is your point, and why should I care

[Dom]

My bad I forgot the adverb.

It's an adjective.

[DharmaHelper]

My bad I forgot the adverb.

It's an adjective.

Yes that was the joke.

[Dom]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

[Dom]

My bad I forgot the adverb.

It's an adjective.

Yes that was the joke.

A rather badly told one.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

What is the difference between not doing anything to advance the civilian cause and not doing anything definitive to advance the civilian cause?

What has speedchuck done definitively to advance the civilian cause?


What has Epignosis done definitively to advance the civilian cause?


Epi, when you say "The only way I can see chuck being bad is if he's aware of his meta and playing the fool" And I show you proof of part 1 of that theory, why is part 2 a nonstarter? Do you think chuck is an idiot, or do you think it's more likely he's pretending to be an idiot?

[Epignosis]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

WHAT THE FUCK

[nutella]

lol

[Epignosis]

Epi, when you say "The only way I can see chuck being bad is if he's aware of his meta and playing the fool" And I show you proof of part 1 of that theory, why is part 2 a nonstarter? Do you think chuck is an idiot, or do you think it's more likely he's pretending to be an idiot?

Speedchuck is far from an idiot. He's a bold strategist and a strong thinker. I know this to be true. In here, however, he has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding regarding mechanics and alignment-revealing stuff in the original post.

That has to be judged. You can say speedchuck is bad for whatever reasons you want to, but if you are going to get ME to vote for him today, then you have to get ME to reconcile his apparent lack of understanding with his reputation as a strategist who can be rather calculating.

How would you do that?

[Epignosis]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

WHAT THE FUCK

I am sorry.

I called nutella a "he."

[DharmaHelper]

Epi, when you say "The only way I can see chuck being bad is if he's aware of his meta and playing the fool" And I show you proof of part 1 of that theory, why is part 2 a nonstarter? Do you think chuck is an idiot, or do you think it's more likely he's pretending to be an idiot?

Speedchuck is far from an idiot. He's a bold strategist and a strong thinker. I know this to be true. In here, however, he has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding regarding mechanics and alignment-revealing stuff in the original post.

That has to be judged. You can say speedchuck is bad for whatever reasons you want to, but if you are going to get ME to vote for him today, then you have to get ME to reconcile his apparent lack of understanding with his reputation as a strategist who can be rather calculating.

How would you do that?

I wouldn't. I don't care. Your vote means less than nothing to me.

[Quin]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

[DharmaHelper]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

If this is the case then Golden and Juliets are the greatest hosts of all time and I will put that statement in my sig forever.

[Epignosis]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

If that's true, what would you have us do?

[sprityo]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

what if are all town and whoever dies first becomes mafia

[sprityo]

I was thinking, we'll probably merge tribes eventually. But like what if we just didnt kill anyone and so when the time arrived they had lost like 5 people and we had all of ours

thatd be funny

[Quin]

I don't think any of SVS, DH or Epi are bad. bob is probably town, though he's not really worth worrying about until Day 6.

I call nutella and speedchuck good. That's 2 of my 3 uh-oh reads gone.

I'd rate LC, DDL, sprityo and Dom as bad to good in that order, but I don't have a substantial argument on any of them. I'm not even interested in putting a vote down, to be honest. I ask the masses how they feel about these four.

[Quin]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

what if are all town and whoever dies first becomes mafia

If it weren't for the fact that we had a night kill, I'd be seriously considering this.

[Quin]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

If that's true, what would you have us do?

More likely than not I'm wrong. If we're all town then we'd just be lynching each other at no benefit. I think the hosts would have made sure that there was at least one scum on each side or given us a no lynch option.

[DharmaHelper]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

what if are all town and whoever dies first becomes mafia

If it weren't for the fact that we had a night kill, I'd be seriously considering this.

But *we* didn't have a nightkill

They did.

[Epignosis]

As of this moment, I would lynch Quin, DH, or DDL.

[Epignosis]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

If that's true, what would you have us do?

More likely than not I'm wrong. If we're all town then we'd just be lynching each other at no benefit. I think the hosts would have made sure that there was at least one scum on each side or given us a no lynch option.

If you are not wrong, then my time is being wasted, and I don't like my time being wasted. I would hope hosts understand that players' time shouldn't be wasted when it's at a premium.

So I choose to believe there is at least one dirty person here.

[DharmaHelper]

As of this moment, I would lynch Quin, DH, or DDL.

How very definitive of you.

[Epignosis]

As of this moment, I would lynch Quin, DH, or DDL.

How very definitive of you.

[Epignosis]

I voted DDL. What's the way to express that again? I see the vote tag changed. What's the procedure here?

[Quin]

I don't have strong thoughts on DDL, but I know that if nothing changes before EoD, I'm voting to lynch him. I need to read him.

[Epignosis]

I voted DDL. What's the way to express that again? I see the vote tag changed. What's the procedure here?

I remember dead red. All caps.

VOTE: DDL

And for good measure:

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

[Quin]

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

[Long Con]

I looked over DDL's posts and Dom's high points of relevance are accurate. It's not a very impressive showing otherwise, and his nutella vote wasn't very well-justified.

[Long Con]

EBWOP Quin's high points, not Dom's.

[DharmaHelper]

[Long Con]

You lost me on this one. Love the Crazy Pills thing, but speedchuck and Epig voting DDL being Crazy Pills... I'm just not following.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

Did you miss the part where I caught Nutella on TMI? There was a dozen posts of people talking about it.

The rest is gut tbh.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I'm aware I'm not giving this game the attention it deserves but this is the thing, never in my mafia career I have played two games at once and gave both the attention they deserved. There is always only one game I can be excited and think about in my free time.

Right now there is FE, and Game that is not FE. The only reason I haven't asked to be replaced yet is that the poll of possible players is limited so I assume it won't be easy to replace me. So I'm putting some minimal effort here, and coming back to FE.

[Quin]

Eh no I don't like this round robin plan or whatever it's called. I want to lynch scum.

Lynching at randon just because it gives us a result is worse than trying to lynch and having a good chabce of failure. We learn nothing from the former since votes were meaningless. From the later we at least have a vote tally we can dissect later.

Classic civilian response. I will say that the logic is more pro-civilian here than in a round robin where we leave our votes where they are and primarily twiddle our thumbs just to get a flip. Alright.

Argue about the RR and whether alignments change in the future was all he did on Day 1. Dropped a vote on speedchuck as a starter but never finished. Not great.

I'm still feeling somewhat bad about Speedchuck but it's better than yesterday.

I'm feeling worse about Nutella though.

VOTE NUTELLA

aubergine

First I'm hearing about this. Explain pls.

Did you miss the part where I caught Nutella on TMI? There was a dozen posts of people talking about it.

The rest is gut tbh.

i thought you were being sarcastic

[Dragon D. Luffy]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

Why

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

I'm starting to notice a trend.

You tend to overestimate the ability of baddies to always do informed things.

[Golden]

I voted DDL. What's the way to express that again? I see the vote tag changed. What's the procedure here?

Since the tag has changed, I'm comfortable using whichever of the two approaches they prefer provided the keyword is still included in the post so that the vote is searchable.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

I would think you are a civ.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Caught up

Eh I don't think I have any big case.

Quin looks civ as fuck. Sprityo looks OK. SVS looks OK. Dom looks OK. If someone tells me the only way to cross a bridge is by reading Bob I'll jump down and try to swim to the other side. Epi looks civ as fuck but it's Epi so I'm paranoid about it.

DH looks somewhat civ but I agree with Epi's point that DH's usefulness is very limited because he has tunneed on a single person like a madman which makes it easier for everyone to ignore him. Goo d way of blending.

Feel bad about Speed, feel bad about Nutella. Likely voting for one of them today.

Now back to FE.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

FE has like 5 new posts. Ugh.

Ok fine I'm ISOing Nutella and Speed.

[S~V~S]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

A good point, a good
point, a good point, a good point
Had to repeat it

What if I said I was starting to doubt that there are even bad guys on this tribe?

I hope you would not
say that, a lack of balance
would so be induced

~~~~~

Still think Chuck is bad
Still think Nutella is bad
Waffle DDL

a thought on epi;
sounds civ to me, he lacks that
hard bad edge he gets

BUT as he himself
says, his game has evolved much
so my read, well, meh

The things that he says
said by any other would
set off the alarms

~~~~~

Nutella sounds mad
when talking to certain folk,
Has a snarky edge

Don't associate
this with civvie Nutella
what think you of this?

~~~~~

Will read while at work
Won't post much unless insight
is had la la la

ALSO people who
think DH looks bad: "tunnelling"
But think I look civ

Why? I have mostly
Been digging in same tunnels
as he, difference?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If DH doesn't clarify what slip he saw before the day is over I'm going to assume he's making shit up.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[Dom]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[colonialbob]

I think baddie speedchuck would've latched onto my "this is why I don't want to vote speedchuck" reasoning, or at the very least not denied it. With no claiming it's not like anybody could directly gainsay it.

[Dom]

Epi-- who has done something definitive?

I believe I have. I have called sprityo good, colonialbob good, I have taken a stance on the nijuukyugou kill, I have tried to dissuade people from lynching speedchuck (or at least get people to consider why he might be a civilian). Those are definitive stances.

I believe S~V~S has. She has provided definitive opinions on people. She has made updates on those opinions, but that's within the realm of her prerogative. She still speaks forthright when she changes her mind or is unsure of something. That's fine by me.

I believe nutella has. People can accuse her of parroting me all they want, but she took a stance, even if her stance took the form of agreeing with me. If he is bad, people can judge me as they will. That's still a stance.

I cannot point to a single opinion DH has that I don't think he'll change his mind about if the environment of the thread suits him.

So....?

I don't see how any of that is "definitive".

One random post from Nutella has more content than a full ISO page from Speedchuck.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Agree.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine