Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Epignosis]

ebwop, although rereading THIS post it comes across as more harsh than I would have liked. Don't take it that way Epi. The snarkathon is aimed at the playing, not the player

Me? Self-righteous? Never.

Seriously though, no offense at all taken. However, I do want to point out that what may come across as self-righteousness to you is, in all truthfulness, me paying respect to new tactics and ways of thinking that made it much harder to win as mafia.

[Epignosis]

Fuck it, the PM deadline has passed so no one can act on this information even if they wanted to. Here you guys go:

From Cecil:

Good Morning Syndicate. Everyone's favorite voice on the radio here to congratulate you on a successful Day One. I have high hopes to continue bringing you broadcasts to our little tribe in the coming days. That is, figuring I myself am alive by the end of tonight. Lots of content coming out of a small cluster of people, some of you slackers better pick it up. This is the game of all games afterall. Im looking to you Dom, DragonDLuffy, Quin, ColonialBob, nutella, and sprityo. A few of you more so. It is in my opinion that with Twenty Three players, and us owning eleven. We should have about two mafia members among us. As the new Day comes upon us, let us remember to not becoming paranoid and hunt the players that are helping us. This is Cecil signing off for the night.

I have the cards stacked against me it would seem afterall and I can only do so much aside from try and help you guys figure out who is the politicians

That's good shit.

Afterall isn't one word.

Even so, you’re essentially trying to paint a target on me right now. And I do not appreciate it

I already did that for you.

Still, you taking a Night kill is not a bad thing, since the Cecil role is, in a game of this size and at this stage, not especially useful (and since you've only used it to admonish low-posters ), it's okay going out the door.

Unless you turn bad, and that would be bad for you.

[Epignosis]

Also Scotty's role sounds indie.

[DharmaHelper]

That's good shit.

Wait really?

[Epignosis]

That's good shit.

Wait really?

Yep. That never occurred to me. I mean, I didn't go back to verify if sprityo actually posted "afterall" as one word, but if true, props. I think it's a good find.

[sprityo]

That's good shit.

Wait really?

Yep. That never occurred to me. I mean, I didn't go back to verify if sprityo actually posted "afterall" as one word, but if true, props. I think it's a good find.

It's cool and all youve made a connection that i could be cecil because of one word. but i want to move on to discussing the lynch yesterday and what the votes might tell us

[Epignosis]

I am willing to put DH in the good pile for his find, and sprityo remains there because because.

colonialbob remains there because because.

One of these should be lynched:

Dragon D Luffy
dom
Long Con
nutella
Quin
S~V~S

[Dom]

question:

why is dh civ because he caught a semantic repetition?

Esp since if they're both bad, he'd know it anyway...?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If LC or Quin are bad I'll be disappointed with myself.

[DharmaHelper]

We might want to keep a record of our NK rersults so that we can inform everyone come merge time.

[Epignosis]

question:

why is dh civ because he caught a semantic repetition?

Esp since if they're both bad, he'd know it anyway...?

Because I said he is. If you disagree, say why. Then we can have a conversation about it.

[Epignosis]

I have DH, colonialbob, and sprityo marked as civilians. Does anyone disagree?

[nutella]

how tf does an insanifying role sound indie what kind of mafia games are you guys playing

[Epignosis]

how tf does an insanifying role sound indie what kind of mafia games are you guys playing

I don't know.

"You are only here to influence the minds of all sentient beings and then reap their souls."

That might have something to do with it.

[Epignosis]

question:

why is dh civ because he caught a semantic repetition?

Esp since if they're both bad, he'd know it anyway...?

Because I said he is. If you disagree, say why. Then we can have a conversation about it.

I don't want you to take offense, so let me clarify:

I am not going to clarify why I currently believe DH is a civilian. I want to hear you on why I regard DH as a civilian because of that. I want you to answer your own question.

[Epignosis]

Out of that group, I'm most inclined to vote for DDL, Quin, or nutella.

[colonialbob]

these roles we have seen
the flavor pulled from their games
not sure why indy

[DharmaHelper]

these roles we have seen
the flavor pulled from their games
not sure why indy

It's either indy or Mafia But I lean indie due to what Epi already explained. Call it flavor or not but that's where my head is

[Dom]

question:

why is dh civ because he caught a semantic repetition?

Esp since if they're both bad, he'd know it anyway...?

Because I said he is. If you disagree, say why. Then we can have a conversation about it.

I just see other explanations.

I don't see why one particular one has to be correct.

[nutella]

how tf does an insanifying role sound indie what kind of mafia games are you guys playing

I don't know.

"You are only here to influence the minds of all sentient beings and then reap their souls."

That might have something to do with it.

I assume that's just flavor text yo, pretty straightforward ability otherwise

[Quin]

I am willing to put DH in the good pile for his find, and sprityo remains there because because.

colonialbob remains there because because.

One of these should be lynched:

Dragon D Luffy
dom
Long Con
nutella
Quin
S~V~S

what a round about way to say that you're town reading dh and sprityo

[Quin]

i'd have made a slightly passive-aggressive joke about his lack of a definitive stance if it weren't for his follow up post

[Quin]

Epi used three emoticons in one post. He's bad.

[Epignosis]

how tf does an insanifying role sound indie what kind of mafia games are you guys playing

I don't know.

"You are only here to influence the minds of all sentient beings and then reap their souls."

That might have something to do with it.

I assume that's just flavor text yo, pretty straightforward ability otherwise

I will admit the ability does seem lackluster for an independent.

[Epignosis]

I am willing to put DH in the good pile for his find, and sprityo remains there because because.

colonialbob remains there because because.

One of these should be lynched:

Dragon D Luffy
dom
Long Con
nutella
Quin
S~V~S

what a round about way to say that you're town reading dh and sprityo

I like "Roundabout."



What I said he was not roundabout.

[Epignosis]

i'd have made a slightly passive-aggressive joke about his lack of a definitive stance if it weren't for his follow up post

[Epignosis]

Epi used three emoticons in one post. He's bad.

[S~V~S]

Out of that group, I'm most inclined to vote for DDL, Quin, or nutella.

I could go with DDL or Nutella. I thought DDL was bad early on, but felt more strongly about Chuck. I need to reread Quin (and yesterdays thread in general. After the morning, I was busy at work and did not get much internet time, then after work I had to do some stuff with my brother, so more of the same. I just skimmed for the most part).

Other than that I don't feel actively bad about anyone specifically. While I don't necessarily agree with Epis approach in all things. It is very weird seeing Epi, whom I associate with one kind of behavior) channeling a person I assocoate with another~ it is my belief that while you can learn from others, you should always be you. At first I did not see much of Epi in the game he is now playing, but now that I know where to look I think I have found him. But I still have the squidgies about him. (Not sure how to explain squidgies, it was a word my Mom used. It's like that feeling you get in the pit of your tummy when you don't quite feel sick, but almost, coupled with nervousness. It's like a less intense version of "willies").

Part of my issue with Nutella was that I thought she could be bad with Epi specifically. Not so much speaking for him as bringing a chatroom vibe into the thread. Like I could envisage the conversation, Dom and Epi getting in each others faces out here in the thread, Epi venting about, how dare he, he screwed up MK, etc. I have seen it happen in chatrooms I was in before, where some sort of stress or drama spilled over in some form into the thread, but no one really picked up on it. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but if it has ever happened to you, you know what I mean. Overall her "big picture" still looks baddish to me, even with Epi removed from the equation. But I need to read her again, I would like more than "Baddish Big Picture".

I would like to see more from Dom.

Other than that, for various reasons of my own, I feel fairly good about everyone else.

[S~V~S]

Also, [mention]Sprityo[/mention]

I could not find the second one, it was part of another post, I will try to look for it later. But this ws the first, it was a pretty egregious kiss up (while simultaneously real advice ).

@Sprityo not strictly game related, but I just skimmed your post where you quoted me and you said you play on gut that were you to post strictly on gut that would be frowned upon.

By who? Who cares? That's how I play, and people new to me roll their eyes, but they get over their preconceived notions about how Mafia should be played. You do you and to hell with being frowned upon. Your instincts can be awesome, be a force of nature and don't try to be a other than that.

Will read the rest of your posts in depth a bit later, I am just getting up.

If you were bad I would have expected you to pick that up and gush back at me a bit.

[S~V~S]

Also (sorry for the multi posts in a row, but no one is here before I go to work)

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Other than her not being "townfirmed" what would be your reasoning for a Nutella vote? Given this, your last real mention of her before your discussion with her over Scottys affiliation:

First off, I gave a solid reason why speedchuck was good. People didn't listen because ties.

speedchuck, I'm sorry I couldn't be here to advocate for you, but Wednesdays are whirlwinds of activity for me until after 7pm.

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

speedchuck must have said this because he was bad, right?

nutella got a 90% approval rating from speedchuck. speedchuck speculated that it would be unfair for there to be two lynches going on but not two Night kills. speedchuck was the protector, likely protected nutella, and there was no Night kill over here, but there was one over there. Splitting the game up, upon reflection, makes sense due to the fact that it's twice a long, so splitting it up with two lynches and two Night kills would hasten progress.

I do not believe any of this should clear nutella, given the array of circumstances that might have influenced his action. However, I regard it a point in her favor.

Nothing is conclusive, except that

speedchuck
5
36%
Voters: DharmaHelper, Dom, S~V~S, Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy

These people should be more scrutinized and reevaluated for traces of evil.

[Long Con]

I think Scotty was more likely evil, and on an evil team. I agree that the insanifying power is too weak on its own to support an Indy role, and it fits in better on a team. If he's bad, then it's an indicator that we're dealing with two baddie teams here, which means we shouldn't be townclearing anyone just because they spearheaded a baddie lynch.

I do have two points that suggest he's Indy as well though - one, his "flavour text" says he wants to reap *all* souls... so that seems to be against everyone - and two, he has two lives, and it would be supercool to have a tiny innocuous role enter second life as some Indy powerhouse role.

[Long Con]

Also, how could we lie about whether or not we have died before? Does that imply that there are non-public deaths happening? WTF you guys will be like "Oh, Long Con seems to be silenced today!" and then "Wow, it's lasting through the night!" "Is LC just AFK on vacation or something?" But no I just died and no one knew.

[DharmaHelper]

Also, how could we lie about whether or not we have died before? Does that imply that there are non-public deaths happening? WTF you guys will be like "Oh, Long Con seems to be silenced today!" and then "Wow, it's lasting through the night!" "Is LC just AFK on vacation or something?" But no I just died and no one knew.

Certainly a bizarre mechanic and if true fun but needlessly elaborate.

[Long Con]

Tell me you'll look for me if I just disappear.

Also, it could be a Forger role that can forge players' names in their death posts! It would be like showing up to your own funeral and everyone's like, "Uh, who's in the box then?!"

[Long Con]

Better idea: an assassin that can secretly take first lives - only first lives can go secretly. Deadly! And being unable to even talk about it is, like Hunger-level sick.

[DharmaHelper]

To be fair, if *I* ever shut up I must be dead.

[speedchuck]

these roles we have seen
the flavor pulled from their games
not sure why indy

What the hell?

Why would someone haiku cBob? That's stupid. The haiku protects people from lynch, and cbob ain't gotta worry about that.

[DharmaHelper]

these roles we have seen
the flavor pulled from their games
not sure why indy

What the hell?

Why would someone haiku cBob? That's stupid. The haiku protects people from lynch, and cbob ain't gotta worry about that.

I agree. Very anti-town thing to do.

[speedchuck]

Other than her not being "townfirmed" what would be your reasoning for a Nutella vote? Given this, your last real mention of her before your discussion with her over Scottys affiliation:

First off, I gave a solid reason why speedchuck was good. People didn't listen because ties.

speedchuck, I'm sorry I couldn't be here to advocate for you, but Wednesdays are whirlwinds of activity for me until after 7pm.

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

speedchuck must have said this because he was bad, right?

nutella got a 90% approval rating from speedchuck. speedchuck speculated that it would be unfair for there to be two lynches going on but not two Night kills. speedchuck was the protector, likely protected nutella, and there was no Night kill over here, but there was one over there. Splitting the game up, upon reflection, makes sense due to the fact that it's twice a long, so splitting it up with two lynches and two Night kills would hasten progress.

I do not believe any of this should clear nutella, given the array of circumstances that might have influenced his action. However, I regard it a point in her favor.

Nothing is conclusive, except that

speedchuck
5
36%
Voters: DharmaHelper, Dom, S~V~S, Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy

These people should be more scrutinized and reevaluated for traces of evil.

If none of our nightkills show up, then it doesn't really matter who I might have protected as a doctor, does it? Not that I'm saying I did protect nutella. But if the other side gets our nightkills, and we theirs, then . No reason to put stock in my townfirms, right?

[DharmaHelper]

Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first.

Either Fridge is anti-town and intentionally wasted their power on Cbob or Fridge didn't send in a PM.

[speedchuck]

Given the weirdness of the thread, the lack of nightkills, and the general attitude toward my flip, I no longer have any townfirms. At all. Bummer. Sprityo is the closest to townfirm.

linki: That would be a crappy random result.

[DharmaHelper]

I am townfirm, I just crunched the numbers and it checks out.

[Long Con]

I don't understand by what right you're townfirming anyone speedchuck. I expected your role to be something informational based on the way you were talking about it.

[speedchuck]

I don't understand by what right you're townfirming anyone speedchuck. I expected your role to be something informational based on the way you were talking about it.

'Townfirming.' I gave percentages.

Still can't info-dump, ya know. There are other active roles in this game.

[colonialbob]

these roles we have seen
the flavor pulled from their games
not sure why indy

What the hell?

Why would someone haiku cBob? That's stupid. The haiku protects people from lynch, and cbob ain't gotta worry about that.

To hear the sweet lines
My beautiful poetry
Makes the people weep

[colonialbob]

Better idea: an assassin that can secretly take first lives - only first lives can go secretly. Deadly! And being unable to even talk about it is, like Hunger-level sick.

This could be the case
Nightkills posted to the tribe
Where they did not fall

Fear, uncertainty
And doubt, this would certainly
Spread these like wildfire

But when do we merge
At first perma-death? Perhaps
Likely later, though

[S~V~S]

Other than her not being "townfirmed" what would be your reasoning for a Nutella vote? Given this, your last real mention of her before your discussion with her over Scottys affiliation:

First off, I gave a solid reason why speedchuck was good. People didn't listen because ties.

speedchuck, I'm sorry I couldn't be here to advocate for you, but Wednesdays are whirlwinds of activity for me until after 7pm.

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

speedchuck must have said this because he was bad, right?

nutella got a 90% approval rating from speedchuck. speedchuck speculated that it would be unfair for there to be two lynches going on but not two Night kills. speedchuck was the protector, likely protected nutella, and there was no Night kill over here, but there was one over there. Splitting the game up, upon reflection, makes sense due to the fact that it's twice a long, so splitting it up with two lynches and two Night kills would hasten progress.

I do not believe any of this should clear nutella, given the array of circumstances that might have influenced his action. However, I regard it a point in her favor.

Nothing is conclusive, except that

speedchuck
5
36%
Voters: DharmaHelper, Dom, S~V~S, Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy

These people should be more scrutinized and reevaluated for traces of evil.

If none of our nightkills show up, then it doesn't really matter who I might have protected as a doctor, does it? Not that I'm saying I did protect nutella. But if the other side gets our nightkills, and we theirs, then . No reason to put stock in my townfirms, right?

That's a theory. The host asked us not to discuss whether any of us were killed AFTER we started discussing it. Since everyone posted between the first night when we might have expected a kill, and the time we were asked not to discuss our state of life, and no one mentioned it? It seems an odd conclusion to jump to, that kills are happening and the host isn't telling us about them.

Other than no announced night kills in our thread, has there been any other reason to believe this theory is true? I would be more likely to believe that they are only killing on one side. Which is why that was my first thought when we got another non death. I seem to recall this happening in a game once, ages ago, not here, but I can't recall what game. It might have been Rox's Survivor game on RM, not sure.

And I put nothing past baddies, the only thing I consider verified comes from the host. Niju was NKed. Scotty was NKed. You were lynched.

That is all I know for sure. These mechanics make behavior based play almost impossible, it would seem.

Also, I agree with LC re Scotty, that seems more like a team role to me.

[nutella]

Also, how could we lie about whether or not we have died before? Does that imply that there are non-public deaths happening? WTF you guys will be like "Oh, Long Con seems to be silenced today!" and then "Wow, it's lasting through the night!" "Is LC just AFK on vacation or something?" But no I just died and no one knew.

Tell me you'll look for me if I just disappear.

Also, it could be a Forger role that can forge players' names in their death posts! It would be like showing up to your own funeral and everyone's like, "Uh, who's in the box then?!"

Better idea: an assassin that can secretly take first lives - only first lives can go secretly. Deadly! And being unable to even talk about it is, like Hunger-level sick.

Good god I'm glad you're not hosting this game Luckily golden and juliets are lovely upstanding citizens who wouldn't ever harm or deceive us

[speedchuck]

If none of our nightkills show up, then it doesn't really matter who I might have protected as a doctor, does it? Not that I'm saying I did protect nutella. But if the other side gets our nightkills, and we theirs, then . No reason to put stock in my townfirms, right?

That's a theory. The host asked us not to discuss whether any of us were killed AFTER we started discussing it. Since everyone posted between the first night when we might have expected a kill, and the time we were asked not to discuss our state of life, and no one mentioned it? It seems an odd conclusion to jump to, that kills are happening and the host isn't telling us about them.

It's a VALID theory. Even if it's not true, the possibility exists, and makes any protection target of mine less firm and more squishy.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. Did you see all those 'if's up there?

[nutella]

btw I have a question for anyone who played survivor bc I didn't -- how long should we expect this tribes thing go on? will we merge into one thread when we're down to half the players alive or something?