Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[speedchuck]

btw I have a question for anyone who played survivor bc I didn't -- how long should we expect this tribes thing go on? will we merge into one thread when we're down to half the players alive or something?

It was something like that in survivor.

Only problem is that when we die in this game, we don't die completely. So IDK.

[S~V~S]

If none of our nightkills show up, then it doesn't really matter who I might have protected as a doctor, does it? Not that I'm saying I did protect nutella. But if the other side gets our nightkills, and we theirs, then . No reason to put stock in my townfirms, right?

That's a theory. The host asked us not to discuss whether any of us were killed AFTER we started discussing it. Since everyone posted between the first night when we might have expected a kill, and the time we were asked not to discuss our state of life, and no one mentioned it? It seems an odd conclusion to jump to, that kills are happening and the host isn't telling us about them.

It's a VALID theory. Even if it's not true, the possibility exists, and makes any protection target of mine less firm and more squishy.

I'm not jumping to conclusions. Did you see all those 'if's up there?

Sure it's valid, any theory is valid. It just makes me twitchy when people (not you, just generic people) try to position a theory as a fact in the context of a game (not in the context of actual science ) I just chose your post to reply to. Simmer down, buckaroo.

Linki, yeah after x amount of people died, we combined. But unless the "we are being killed but not told publicly" theory is true, we aren't burning through lives fast enough. The only real purpose, to my way of thinking, of putting us in 2 groups is to speed up first deaths by doubling down. Which IS a point in favor of the secret deaths theory.

[sprityo]

Better idea: an assassin that can secretly take first lives - only first lives can go secretly. Deadly! And being unable to even talk about it is, like Hunger-level sick.

There’s the issue of old powers and new powers

[sprityo]

What if we can only lynch and the other team can only kill?

[speedchuck]

Sure it's valid, any theory is valid. It just makes me twitchy when people (not you, just generic people) try to position a theory as a fact in the context of a game

But I didn't even do that... *grumble* *grumble*

[colonialbob]

That's a theory. The host asked us not to discuss whether any of us were killed AFTER we started discussing it. Since everyone posted between the first night when we might have expected a kill, and the time we were asked not to discuss our state of life, and no one mentioned it? It seems an odd conclusion to jump to, that kills are happening and the host isn't telling us about them.

What is all this, please?
Did I just miss something big?
A link would be nice.

[S~V~S]

Sure it's valid, any theory is valid. It just makes me twitchy when people (not you, just generic people) try to position a theory as a fact in the context of a game

But I didn't even do that... *grumble* *grumble*

And I said "not you" grumble grumble back

That's a theory. The host asked us not to discuss whether any of us were killed AFTER we started discussing it. Since everyone posted between the first night when we might have expected a kill, and the time we were asked not to discuss our state of life, and no one mentioned it? It seems an odd conclusion to jump to, that kills are happening and the host isn't telling us about them.

What is all this, please?
Did I just miss something big?
A link would be nice.

Here you go~

I'm clean so far but I'm not sure who would admit if they'd been killed.

I’m not sure who would do so without infodumping. There will be absolutely no claiming from any person that you have died or not died.

[DharmaHelper]

btw I have a question for anyone who played survivor bc I didn't -- how long should we expect this tribes thing go on? will we merge into one thread when we're down to half the players alive or something?

We'll stay one boring tribe until SVS and Quin MERCILESSLY AND BRUTALLY BETRAY ME, THEIR CLOSEST AND MOST LOYAL FRIEND WHO LOVES THEM, ROBBING ME OF THE SWEET REWARD OF MERGER

[DharmaHelper]

RE: Kills Theory

I don't see the point in dividing us into two tribes if half the game (Either NKs or Lynches) Is useless for either tribe. Since we have 2 lives to start (~22 people, ~44 lives, not sure on the exact player count) It makes sense to me that Both lynches and both NKs (if there are multiple mafia, which it seems like there are IMO) are going through, we're just not getting our NK results to protect from the exact concern a few of us brought up early game (One-Lifers getting targeted down.)

All that to say I'm firmly in the camp that thinks We're getting their NK results and they're getting ours. Which is curious because if *we* didn't have a kill over here either by block or by just not having a kill, then *they* would get "No one has been killed" as their message even though Scotty has been killed, as an example.

[Dom]

^This is my fave theory so far

[sprityo]

^This is my fave theory so far

“It’s been two days. HOW HAS NO ONE DIED?”

[S~V~S]

btw I have a question for anyone who played survivor bc I didn't -- how long should we expect this tribes thing go on? will we merge into one thread when we're down to half the players alive or something?

We'll stay one boring tribe until SVS and Quin MERCILESSLY AND BRUTALLY BETRAY ME, THEIR CLOSEST AND MOST LOYAL FRIEND WHO LOVES THEM, ROBBING ME OF THE SWEET REWARD OF MERGER

[Dom]

^This is my fave theory so far

“It’s been two days. HOW HAS NO ONE DIED?”

Or they're smart, and see if we had kills and make the same conclusion we've made.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Lack of scumhunting is bothering me even tho I'm on phone and not doing anything.

Voted for Nutella because I recall suspecting her yesterday.

Do something guys. Anything.

[DharmaHelper]

Lack of scumhunting is bothering me even tho I'm on phone and not doing anything.

Voted for Nutella because I recall suspecting her yesterday.

Do something guys. Anything.

[Dom]

DH, you scratch your chin-- elaborate for us pls

[DharmaHelper]

I know he's busy this weekend but I dont jive with "Hey everyone else please do the work" and "I *recall* suspecting Nutella yesterday so that's where my vote will go."

[S~V~S]

Lack of scumhunting is bothering me even tho I'm on phone and not doing anything.

Voted for Nutella because I recall suspecting her yesterday.

Do something guys. Anything.

I gotta say this sounds pretty scummy DDL.

I am sitting in my car waiting for my brother in a horrible freezing ass rain windstorm. This is mega scary. BBL when I get home.

[Dom]

Sherry-- I hope all is well your way. A movie theater sign just blew down my road. :/

[juliets]

Oh my gosh ya'll be careful!

[DharmaHelper]

Yeah this storm is no joke. Be safe yall.

The mailbox door and my keys bashed me in the face this afternoon and split my lip lol

[S~V~S]

I'm good, my screen door is not so great, it pulled out of my hands coming in and that little gas cylinder with the chain thingie ripped right out of the doorframe. But yeah, shower blanket cocoa cat is my plan for tonight.

Any one in the path, be safe

[speedchuck]

I'm home sick, and even I don't envy you guys. Stay warm and safe.

[Paul Stevens]

Hey there, folks! Welcome to Survivor!

I need three volunteers from your tribe ASAP.

Each volunteer will receive a puzzle, as soon as I can send one within seeing a PM notification. The volunteers will then have until end of Day 3 (5:52PM Eastern time) at the latest to solve the puzzle.

The faster that your tribe's volunteer completes the puzzle, the better chance he or she has to help your tribe win the prize! Specifically, I will add the time between my sending out each puzzle and the volunteer's correct response. Any incorrect answer will simply mean your volunteer fails that puzzle.

The tribe that has the most correct puzzles first will be the winner! In the event of a tie, the least total time for all puzzles will be used as a tiebreaker.

The Prize: The winning tribe will have lynch immunity for their entire tribe and will be able to send one person to the other tribe to ‘observe’ (get viewing permission but not be allowed to post or vote) until end of Night 3.

Please PM the Jeff Probst sock account to volunteer. I will only accept the first three volunteers from each tribe. Good luck!

[Quin]

Our top town reads should volunteer. I'd be happy for DH or speedchuck to do it.

[Dom]

Why speedchuck-- do you have a new read on him?

[Quin]

Why speedchuck-- do you have a new read on him?

I flipped my read on him ages ago.

[Dom]

That's not what I mean.

Speedchuck was lynched and has a new role.

Do you have a new read on this new speedchuck?

[Quin]

I have a read on the old speedchuck which I have no reason to doubt given the new speedchuck.

[Quin]

To be honest, I don't really understand how reincarnation impacts alignment. Maybe once I see it in practice.

[Dom]

Alignments can change.

So I have no read on this new speed yet.

[Dom]

You have no reason to doubt him-- do you have reason to actively support him?

[DharmaHelper]

Our top town reads should volunteer. I'd be happy for DH or speedchuck to do it.

I'll do it.

[Quin]

You have no reason to doubt him-- do you have reason to actively support him?

I think he's town. Therefore I support him.

[DharmaHelper]

Also lol @ me being considered a "top town read"

[Epignosis]

Out of that group, I'm most inclined to vote for DDL, Quin, or nutella.

I could go with DDL or Nutella. I thought DDL was bad early on, but felt more strongly about Chuck. I need to reread Quin (and yesterdays thread in general. After the morning, I was busy at work and did not get much internet time, then after work I had to do some stuff with my brother, so more of the same. I just skimmed for the most part).

Other than that I don't feel actively bad about anyone specifically. While I don't necessarily agree with Epis approach in all things. It is very weird seeing Epi, whom I associate with one kind of behavior) channeling a person I assocoate with another~ it is my belief that while you can learn from others, you should always be you. At first I did not see much of Epi in the game he is now playing, but now that I know where to look I think I have found him. But I still have the squidgies about him. (Not sure how to explain squidgies, it was a word my Mom used. It's like that feeling you get in the pit of your tummy when you don't quite feel sick, but almost, coupled with nervousness. It's like a less intense version of "willies").

Part of my issue with Nutella was that I thought she could be bad with Epi specifically. Not so much speaking for him as bringing a chatroom vibe into the thread. Like I could envisage the conversation, Dom and Epi getting in each others faces out here in the thread, Epi venting about, how dare he, he screwed up MK, etc. I have seen it happen in chatrooms I was in before, where some sort of stress or drama spilled over in some form into the thread, but no one really picked up on it. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but if it has ever happened to you, you know what I mean. Overall her "big picture" still looks baddish to me, even with Epi removed from the equation. But I need to read her again, I would like more than "Baddish Big Picture".

I would like to see more from Dom.

Other than that, for various reasons of my own, I feel fairly good about everyone else.

For the record, I don't hold anything against Dom for missing out on MK, and I rather wish nutella hadn't brought that up, because I'm not angry at all. Every game I have ever hosted has had inactives as far as I can remember. I'm used to it by now. All but one of my inactives even got replaced (and the one that didn't was because it might screw with an independent's win condition, so I left it alone).

[DharmaHelper]

Out of that group, I'm most inclined to vote for DDL, Quin, or nutella.

I could go with DDL or Nutella. I thought DDL was bad early on, but felt more strongly about Chuck. I need to reread Quin (and yesterdays thread in general. After the morning, I was busy at work and did not get much internet time, then after work I had to do some stuff with my brother, so more of the same. I just skimmed for the most part).

Other than that I don't feel actively bad about anyone specifically. While I don't necessarily agree with Epis approach in all things. It is very weird seeing Epi, whom I associate with one kind of behavior) channeling a person I assocoate with another~ it is my belief that while you can learn from others, you should always be you. At first I did not see much of Epi in the game he is now playing, but now that I know where to look I think I have found him. But I still have the squidgies about him. (Not sure how to explain squidgies, it was a word my Mom used. It's like that feeling you get in the pit of your tummy when you don't quite feel sick, but almost, coupled with nervousness. It's like a less intense version of "willies").

Part of my issue with Nutella was that I thought she could be bad with Epi specifically. Not so much speaking for him as bringing a chatroom vibe into the thread. Like I could envisage the conversation, Dom and Epi getting in each others faces out here in the thread, Epi venting about, how dare he, he screwed up MK, etc. I have seen it happen in chatrooms I was in before, where some sort of stress or drama spilled over in some form into the thread, but no one really picked up on it. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but if it has ever happened to you, you know what I mean. Overall her "big picture" still looks baddish to me, even with Epi removed from the equation. But I need to read her again, I would like more than "Baddish Big Picture".

I would like to see more from Dom.

Other than that, for various reasons of my own, I feel fairly good about everyone else.

For the record, I don't hold anything against Dom for missing out on MK, and I rather wish nutella hadn't brought that up, because I'm not angry at all. Every game I have ever hosted has had inactives as far as I can remember. I'm used to it by now. All but one of my inactives even got replaced (and the one that didn't was because it might screw with an independent's win condition, so I left it alone).

Hey was it 29 people that missed votes or 29 cumulative missed votes in Star wars?

[Epignosis]

S~V~S, I'm not sure I'm understanding your question you asked me about nutella. Can you rephrase it?

[Epignosis]

Out of that group, I'm most inclined to vote for DDL, Quin, or nutella.

I could go with DDL or Nutella. I thought DDL was bad early on, but felt more strongly about Chuck. I need to reread Quin (and yesterdays thread in general. After the morning, I was busy at work and did not get much internet time, then after work I had to do some stuff with my brother, so more of the same. I just skimmed for the most part).

Other than that I don't feel actively bad about anyone specifically. While I don't necessarily agree with Epis approach in all things. It is very weird seeing Epi, whom I associate with one kind of behavior) channeling a person I assocoate with another~ it is my belief that while you can learn from others, you should always be you. At first I did not see much of Epi in the game he is now playing, but now that I know where to look I think I have found him. But I still have the squidgies about him. (Not sure how to explain squidgies, it was a word my Mom used. It's like that feeling you get in the pit of your tummy when you don't quite feel sick, but almost, coupled with nervousness. It's like a less intense version of "willies").

Part of my issue with Nutella was that I thought she could be bad with Epi specifically. Not so much speaking for him as bringing a chatroom vibe into the thread. Like I could envisage the conversation, Dom and Epi getting in each others faces out here in the thread, Epi venting about, how dare he, he screwed up MK, etc. I have seen it happen in chatrooms I was in before, where some sort of stress or drama spilled over in some form into the thread, but no one really picked up on it. I am not sure I am explaining this well, but if it has ever happened to you, you know what I mean. Overall her "big picture" still looks baddish to me, even with Epi removed from the equation. But I need to read her again, I would like more than "Baddish Big Picture".

I would like to see more from Dom.

Other than that, for various reasons of my own, I feel fairly good about everyone else.

For the record, I don't hold anything against Dom for missing out on MK, and I rather wish nutella hadn't brought that up, because I'm not angry at all. Every game I have ever hosted has had inactives as far as I can remember. I'm used to it by now. All but one of my inactives even got replaced (and the one that didn't was because it might screw with an independent's win condition, so I left it alone).

Hey was it 29 people that missed votes or 29 cumulative missed votes in Star wars?

It was some shit like both.

[Long Con]

Can I still volunteer? If so yes.

[Epignosis]

I think Scotty was more likely evil, and on an evil team. I agree that the insanifying power is too weak on its own to support an Indy role, and it fits in better on a team. If he's bad, then it's an indicator that we're dealing with two baddie teams here, which means we shouldn't be townclearing anyone just because they spearheaded a baddie lynch.

I do have two points that suggest he's Indy as well though - one, his "flavour text" says he wants to reap *all* souls... so that seems to be against everyone - and two, he has two lives, and it would be supercool to have a tiny innocuous role enter second life as some Indy powerhouse role.

That was my thinking too about him being independent. Glad the role is gone regardless.

[S~V~S]

Also (sorry for the multi posts in a row, but no one is here before I go to work)

@ Epignosis

Other than her not being "townfirmed" what would be your reasoning for a Nutella vote? Given this, your last real mention of her before your discussion with her over Scottys affiliation:

First off, I gave a solid reason why speedchuck was good. People didn't listen because ties.

speedchuck, I'm sorry I couldn't be here to advocate for you, but Wednesdays are whirlwinds of activity for me until after 7pm.

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

speedchuck must have said this because he was bad, right?

nutella got a 90% approval rating from speedchuck. speedchuck speculated that it would be unfair for there to be two lynches going on but not two Night kills. speedchuck was the protector, likely protected nutella, and there was no Night kill over here, but there was one over there. Splitting the game up, upon reflection, makes sense due to the fact that it's twice a long, so splitting it up with two lynches and two Night kills would hasten progress.

I do not believe any of this should clear nutella, given the array of circumstances that might have influenced his action. However, I regard it a point in her favor.

Nothing is conclusive, except that

speedchuck
5
36%
Voters: DharmaHelper, Dom, S~V~S, Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy

These people should be more scrutinized and reevaluated for traces of evil.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] yeah, looking at it it is kinda vague, sorry, lol.

In the post I quoted, you talk about why you felt pretty OK about Nutella. Now she is on your short list for a vote. What changed?

[Epignosis]

Also, how could we lie about whether or not we have died before? Does that imply that there are non-public deaths happening? WTF you guys will be like "Oh, Long Con seems to be silenced today!" and then "Wow, it's lasting through the night!" "Is LC just AFK on vacation or something?" But no I just died and no one knew.

The host said people can keep talking if they've only died once.

[S~V~S]

Also, I have no plans to solve puzzles, not my strong suit. So i won't be sending in a PM.

Good Luck Team Pikachu

[Epignosis]

Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first.

Either Fridge is anti-town and intentionally wasted their power on Cbob or Fridge didn't send in a PM.

Or was misdirected.

[S~V~S]

Me and formatting, a match made in Hell

Did you get that, Epi? Where I answered your question in the quote

[Epignosis]

What if we can only lynch and the other team can only kill?

Then what is the other team doing with themselves all Day?

Doesn't sound right to me.

[Epignosis]

RE: Kills Theory

I don't see the point in dividing us into two tribes if half the game (Either NKs or Lynches) Is useless for either tribe. Since we have 2 lives to start (~22 people, ~44 lives, not sure on the exact player count) It makes sense to me that Both lynches and both NKs (if there are multiple mafia, which it seems like there are IMO) are going through, we're just not getting our NK results to protect from the exact concern a few of us brought up early game (One-Lifers getting targeted down.)

All that to say I'm firmly in the camp that thinks We're getting their NK results and they're getting ours. Which is curious because if *we* didn't have a kill over here either by block or by just not having a kill, then *they* would get "No one has been killed" as their message even though Scotty has been killed, as an example.

This is reasonable.

[Epignosis]

Me and formatting, a match made in Hell

Did you get that, Epi? Where I answered your question in the quote

Where is nutella on my shortlist?

[Epignosis]

DH and LC both get my approval to solve shit. I don't mind trying if nobody else wishes to do it.