Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[DharmaHelper]

Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.

Easiest game ever tbqh.

Isn't it. Silly Golden, giving away his teammate like this, in a faction that probably only has 2 people, knowing his role would reveal everything when it flipped.

The faction might have only 2 people over here, and two people over there.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL/LC scumteam

If I die, lynch them both until they stop breathing.

If I don't die, I'll help.

Scheduling double lynches through multiple day phases?

Just how many civs will mafia manage to kill while you waste your time chipping through my lives?

Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.

Easiest game ever tbqh.

Isn't it. Silly Golden, giving away his teammate like this, in a faction that probably only has 2 people, knowing his role would reveal everything when it flipped.

The faction might have only 2 people over here, and two people over there.

I know.

But there are probably bad consequences for the mafia if one side gets wiped out fast.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Maybe they lose a kill. Or they forces the two tribes to merge earlier. Etc.

[Epignosis]

LC and DDL being bad together would be a metric ton of vote manipulation for mafia. That's tough for me to believe.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL had 6 including LC and Nutella had 3 including DDL. So it wasn't tied, was it?

I had 4 because of my role. LC had to have a -1 vote power to even make this a tie. -1 vote power is achieved if he voted for civs in the first two days.

[speedchuck]

Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually no, he had to have 0 to make it a tie. But 0 is mathematically impossible. So he had -1 vote power, and that made the lynch a 3-2 for Nutella.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.

You don't have the power, but you are suggesting something that is horrible for the civs. Wouldn't be the first time I saw mafia using that to win a game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Like if you guys lynch me twice without even stopping to think it through in the middle, you are playing a shit tier game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

And it's not just legacy. You just said that if you live, you'll lynch me and LC over and over until we're both dead.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I let you people lynch me in Day 3 because I was busy caring about FE.

FE is over. I'm going to raise hell and Earth to stop you from lynch me again.

Bring it on.

[Dom]

what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.

[speedchuck]

Scheduling lynches is a horrible move and you should know it.

L e g a c y

As if I have the power to 'schedule lynches.' Don't be silly to make me look bad.

You don't have the power, but you are suggesting something that is horrible for the civs. Wouldn't be the first time I saw mafia using that to win a game.

[DharmaHelper]

I let you people lynch me in Day 3 because I was busy caring about FE.

FE is over. I'm going to raise hell and Earth to stop you from lynch me again.

Bring it on.

[Dom]

what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.

is everyone either a civ or a baddie?
i don't know the answer to that question

[Dragon D. Luffy]

what makes you think it's mathematically impossible?

He starts with 1.

If he lynches two baddies, he has 3 at Day 3.

If he lynches two civs, he has -1.

If he lynches a civ and a baddie or vice-versa, he's back at 1.

is everyone either a civ or a baddie?
i don't know the answer to that question

Interesting. Me neither.

[Dom]

Then your proof is worthless.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Then your proof is worthless.

Not exactly.

If one of Quin/Speed is an indie and the other is civ, we have a tie. Possible.

If one is an indie and the other is bad, Nutella dies. Impossible.

If both are indies, Nutella dies. Impossible.

Quin is not bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually I'm assuming an indie doesn't affect it. Give ma min.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Damn my whole analysis is a mess. Let's start it over.

[Dom]

You're assuming a lot.

I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

So do I. That's what I'm trying to prove.

[Dom]

I don't think you need to.

And it doesn't help you much at all.

[speedchuck]

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] I find it unlikely that there is an indie doctor role, so you can knock that possibility off.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't think you need to.

And it doesn't help you much at all.

I don't need to play mafia but I'm doing it.

[S~V~S]

It doesn’t hurt him either. He’s trying to solve the lynch.

[Quin]

In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

thanks buddy

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has 0. Tie. Possible.

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +3. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If both indies:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -0. Tie. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.

[Epignosis]

You're assuming a lot.

I find it unlikely for Quin to be bad.

Why are you crapping on DDL's attempt to make sense of things?

[DharmaHelper]

I have a strange, almost prescient feeling that tonight is going to be very fun.

[Dom]

I don't see it that way.

[Epignosis]

If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has 0. Tie. Possible.

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +3. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If both indies:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -0. Tie. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.

If all of this is true, it's very helpful. Does anyone object to it beyond reasons that we are capable of considering on our own (such as other vote manipulation in play)?

[Dom]

I don't.

[Epignosis]

When the next Day arrives, pretend Long Con doesn't exist.

What do you do? Where do you vote? Who is bad?

Then ultimately lynch Long Con.

[Dom]

Wht does DDL's analysis mean for him?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: nut] aubergine
The short form for nutella
To fit the haiku

Spoiler: show

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

Also sprit, you gave DDl a plus 1. He came in scolding people for not wanting to talk suspicions, which is not true, and then went on to discuss, not suspicions, but mechanics.

Do you have thoughts on this?

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

I don't think it is a half truth. I see cogs as well, but perhaps different ones than you see. Also Chucks strong reaction to the RR plan got my eye, he seems to be saying he is a laid back guy, but he seemed pretty far from that when he reacted to the suggestion.

Who would you recommend I look at instead? I am not married to this vote.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

hmmmm I think I like DDL's perspective but I still see it both ways, like I see the value in learning someone's role if we can but then it sounds like they could change alignment so that could be dangerous. I'm leaning toward DDL's side then and I think even if we get a no-lynch we can still have a productive D1 discussion.

like.... what is the likelihood that there is actually someone who both didn't submit a haiku and is a member of the mafia?

I'm definitely over the haikus. Quin is giving me the feelbad jimjams with his last couple of posts. I have the uncut posts in the above spoiler tag for reference.

this is a half truth
i can see the cogs turning
in reading his posts

This is about DDL, in response to S~V~S' accusation that DDL was not following up adequately after pooh-poohing the Round Robin in favour of more info. What cogs do you see turning? I assume this means you can see Civ thought processes going on from DDL? This seems very off-handed and I'm going to need to hear more about this.

nut'la's recent post
what if it is their teammate
that didn't haiku?

This looks like lazy fearmongering. I don't think it's a true take on a baddie perspective. The risk of lynching anybody is pretty low this time, and I doubt that a baddie nutella would be so concerned that she'd need to start making sure everyone thinks it's unlikely.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine PLASTICENE JELLYBEAN

Gonna go ahead and pencil Quin in as a civilian (in darker lead this time).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If Quin/Speed are both civs, LC has-1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If they are both bad, LC has +3. I die. Impossible.

If one is civ and one is bad, LC has +1. I die. Impossible.

If one indie and one civ:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -1. Nutella dies. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has 0. Tie. Possible.

If one indie and one bad:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +3. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If both indies:

Spoiler: show

If indies give +1 to LC, he has +2. I die. Impossible.

If indies give -1 to LC, he has -0. Tie. Possible.

If indies give 0 to LC, he has +1. I die. Impossible.

Assuming no extra vote manipulation, Quin is either civ or indie. He cannot be mafia.

QED.

If all of this is true, it's very helpful. Does anyone object to it beyond reasons that we are capable of considering on our own (such as other vote manipulation in play)?

I welcome corrections. It was 11 PM when I did this. I get dumb after 10 PM. But I think it's right this time.

[Dom]

bro i divided by two instead of subtracting like 10 mins ur good not dumb

[Dragon D. Luffy]

bro i divided by two instead of subtracting like 10 mins ur good not dumb

lol

I know, but I do get slower when I'm sleepy

[sprityo]

In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

thanks buddy

i concur

[speedchuck]

Speed 1.0 confirmed town then.

My first life is vindicated.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

In any case, I don't think mafia should kill you over Quin or Sprityo. Speedchuck 1.0 is a civ. 2.0 could be anything.

thanks buddy

np

[sprityo]

Yknow I was considering the public roles in play and refrigerator is yknow obviously better than Cecil because of its anti lynch deal. Like the mafia in all sense could leave Cecil alive if they know who he is and he’s basically a glorified vanilla. In the hands of someone exceptional maybe he’d be a threat, but if Cecil is a player who isn’t gung ho, in your face making cases n what not. I wouldn’t view him as much a threat at all if I were the mafia

[speedchuck]

Yknow I was considering the public roles in play and refrigerator is yknow obviously better than Cecil because of its anti lynch deal. Like the mafia in all sense could leave Cecil alive if they know who he is and he’s basically a glorified vanilla. In the hands of someone exceptional maybe he’d be a threat, but if Cecil is a player who isn’t gung ho, in your face making cases n what not. I wouldn’t view him as much a threat at all if I were the mafia

[Epignosis]

I want you all to consider the Night kills. If LC is bad, start thinking about who on the other plane of existence is bad too.

[DharmaHelper]

Just a crazy day here on this tribe, Cerberus Tribe, the thread I'm talking about is this one, Cerberus. Which I am partaking in. Very fun day. I wonder what Pikachu Tribe is up to.

[DharmaHelper]

I want you all to consider the Night kills. If LC is bad, start thinking about who on the other plane of existence is bad too.

How would this conversation start?