Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Epignosis]

Participating to the best of my ability = grandstanding.

Okay Dom.

[Dom]

Still don't address the question. That's cool.

[Dom]

^That would be the grandstanding.

[Epignosis]

I don't give a damn what you call it. I answered your question about DDL's second life. It's in the big post I made with Henry Fonda's picture. I then summarized the entire post for you.

[Dom]

Let's start with this:

Day 3 has ended. DDL has been lynched. He was:

0: Bulbasaur (Pokemon). You begin each day phase with -2 votes. Each night, you may select an additional player to begin the next day phase with -2 votes. You may not target the same player on consecutive nights.

It is now Night 3. It will last for 24 hours which means you have 22 hours to get your PMs in.

DDL's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.

Day 4 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

11: Commander Shepard (Mass Effect). Your vote value begins at one, and will be determined based on a karmic system. Each day where you vote for a member of the mafia, the worth of your vote will increase by one. Each day where you vote for a civilian, the worth of your vote will decrease by one. Changes to the worth of your vote will take effect from the following day. Your vote is capped at a maximum of 4 and a minimum of -4. You are unable to evolve.

It is now night 4. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

Long Con's first role was one of voting manipulation. This would be a powerful role for a mafia member to use to protect his team from lynches.

I have a hard time believing a mafia team at one point included two powerful vote manipulators.

But Mr. Epignosis, what if DDL is on the other mafia team?

Hold on there, Johnny. Let's think this over.

Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in

Long Con's ultimate role was number 96, a member of the EVIL EVENS (scary, I know, all capitalized like that).

If we were to accept the premises that a mafia team would not consist of two heavy manipulators, and that the other team is the OBNOXIOUS ODDS, then we should expect DDL's role number this time around to be odd.

DDL's role number is 32.

Well, would you look at that?

This post in no way addresses the possibility that DDL v 1 was civ.

Why could he not?

I guess I'm too stupid to get it. All that money at a college-- wasted!

[Dom]

You have repeatedly ignored questions of mine.

Why?

[Epignosis]

I didn't call you stupid. You called my points stupid. I believe you should be able to address my points without calling them stupid.

I am arguing that DDL right now is a civilian. If I am arguing that, then by the nature of this setup, his first role has to be a civilian role too. I don't see why I need to address the possibility that his first role is a civilian. The entire post requires that to be true.

[Epignosis]

You have repeatedly ignored questions of mine.

Why?

I haven't ignored anything of yours. That post you quoted above ("How would we test it?" and "What does it have to do with Pikachu Tribe?") I took to be rhetorical, since I obviously can't do anything about it while the setup is separated.

You always assume the worst in me. I didn't ignore you. I don't try to offend you.

[Dom]

I didn't call you stupid. You called my points stupid. I believe you should be able to address my points without calling them stupid.

I am arguing that DDL right now is a civilian. If I am arguing that, then by the nature of this setup, his first role has to be a civilian role too. I don't see why I need to address the possibility that his first role is a civilian. The entire post requires that to be true.

WHY CAN'T DDL 1 BE CIV AND DDL 2 BE BAD

Like holy shit....

There is no reason. Your entire case of him being civ is predicated on ignoring this.

[Dom]

But maybe my reading comprehension sucks because I didn't get enough of a college edumacation

[Dom]

Participating to the best of my ability = grandstanding.

Okay Dom.

Literally just mocked me for doing the same.

[Epignosis]

I didn't call you stupid. You called my points stupid. I believe you should be able to address my points without calling them stupid.

I am arguing that DDL right now is a civilian. If I am arguing that, then by the nature of this setup, his first role has to be a civilian role too. I don't see why I need to address the possibility that his first role is a civilian. The entire post requires that to be true.

WHY CAN'T DDL 1 BE CIV AND DDL 2 BE BAD

Like holy shit....

There is no reason. Your entire case of him being civ is predicated on ignoring this.

"Ignore"

You love that word. Stop assuming people are ignoring things. If you want to say I'm not considering an angle, say so.

Why don't you show me why DDL #2 is bad instead?

[DharmaHelper]

I'm certainly ready to "ignore" this whole exchange.

[Dom]

I'm certainly ready to be gone all weekend. It's Saint Patrick's Day and I lived in Newport and I don't miss that shit for anything


If Epi wants to make snide comments, I can make them back. I don't appreciate being ignored. I don't appreciate repeating myself over and over, being told to read posts I read only to find they don't pertain to the concern I raised, only to be rebuffed with a different reason, moving the goal posts further and further until there's no topic anymore....

[Golden]

THE BUTTON HAS BEEN PUSHED

The thread is locked. Please stand by.

[Golden]

The thread is now unlocked. You may resume.

[Golden]

There was a bright flash in the sky. Everyone shielded their eyes, but they found themselves disoriented. No-one could do much for a while, but when they came to, some of them found that they had moved to an entirely new beach. And there was the wreckage of the other half of the train, with them!

They went around, discovering and talking to old friends. In the confusion, it wasn't at all hard for the Citadel Council to arrange a kill. This time, they wanted one of their reanimated subjects back for good - what use is new technology if you can't study it's effects at close quarters? Yes, a dissection was clearly necessary.

Night 7 has ended. JackofHearts2005 has died. He was:

80: Reloader (Greater Idea). You may target someone each night. If they have previously used a one-shot ability they will regain it. You may only target each player once in the game.

It is now day 8. It will last for 48 hours

[juliets]

I know you asked for something with more content Epi but I’m not exactly sure what to fill it with.

I can reiterate what I said when I voted bob, but really it comes down somewhere between cbob/quin/Nutella But with quin having this alibi of sorts and Nutella basically on deaths door. Bob looked to be the one to go. I think it was iterated already that his role didn’t seem wholey town in appearance, but he put a sincere effort into defending himself so he’s got that going for him. I’m not entirely following why the switch to nutella happened at the late point in the day. But no matter. DDL is dead now by the looks of it. Let’s hope no one else gets perma offed come day 8.

I sincerely hope the merge comes soon as well. -Cecil

[Epignosis]

I'm certainly ready to be gone all weekend. It's Saint Patrick's Day and I lived in Newport and I don't miss that shit for anything


If Epi wants to make snide comments, I can make them back. I don't appreciate being ignored. I don't appreciate repeating myself over and over, being told to read posts I read only to find they don't pertain to the concern I raised, only to be rebuffed with a different reason, moving the goal posts further and further until there's no topic anymore....

I wish you would give people the benefit of the doubt. If there is a misunderstanding somewhere, perhaps we can clear that up instead of you immediately assuming I'm ignoring you, just as I thought your questions earlier were rhetorical in nature and therefore not actually seeking information from me. Additionally, I wasn't bringing up college education to be rude. Instead, I was saying that you are capable of clarifying what you object to in my analysis as opposed to just calling my points "stupid."

I hope you have a good time this weekend. Be safe.

[Scotty]

[Epignosis]

Damn, Jack must've been making some waves in the other tribe. That's two kills on him, both on odd Nights.

[Epignosis]

What's good, Scotty?

[Epignosis]

I see we've lost colonialbob, dom, DDL, speedchuck, S~V~S and Quin

And gained DrWilgy, Scotty, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Sloonei, and Marmot.

Welcome new people. Unless you are evil then please leave.

[Epignosis]

I suppose someone could be off the poll, so not off to the other tribe.

[sprityo]

Oh, cool hello new friends

[sprityo]

So it’s DH, Epi, Nutella, and myself from our tribe? Cool

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Sloonei]

What up Pikachus. Can y'all tell me who the main suspects in this thread are right now?

[sprityo]

What up Pikachus. Can y'all tell me who the main suspects in this thread are right now?

Nutella, Cecil offered a pretty good insight on what’s been happening

Epi is pretty town, DH is also town for me but I’ve got paranoia about him nonetheless. You guys should be able to scroll back through the thread yeah?

For the most part it’s been a slow burn on picking who.

[Epignosis]

What up Pikachus. Can y'all tell me who the main suspects in this thread are right now?

Long Con was evil.

I gave an analysis almost clearing DDL but most didn't agree. But he's the other people's problem now.

sprityo is almost surely good.

S~V~S had a shitty role but you take a look at her posts and tell me what you think.

nutella and coloinalbob were going to get my vote today, but colonialbob isn't here right now.

So yeah.

[Scotty]

What's good, Scotty?

Well, lots of stuff. You guys lynched mafia! So sounds like you have a good idea on people.

We finally lynched our first person yesterday, so we feel accomplished. Whether or not Marmot was mafia is another question, but hey! We got a lynch! We finally got more votes on one person than y’all did! It was pissing me off because it just meant mafia was just picking us off every night.

[Scotty]

Why wasn’t jack’s alignment revealed? I thought we learned that on the 2nd death? I found him very town

[Scotty]

I’ll read through the thread later once I have some time to sit down and read through the TOME that you guys have. Sloonei wasn’t kidding when he snooped on y’all- you have easily twice the amount of posts we do.

And Sloonei, Kyle and I had the most posts on Cerberus (aka Bidoof) so I can only imagine the thriving ghost town that’s about to envelope them.

[sprityo]

What's good, Scotty?

Well, lots of stuff. You guys lynched mafia! So sounds like you have a good idea on people.

We finally lynched our first person yesterday, so we feel accomplished. Whether or not Marmot was mafia is another question, but hey! We got a lynch! We finally got more votes on one person than y’all did! It was pissing me off because it just meant mafia was just picking us off every night.

So wait, nobody got Lynched ever on your side? Or did you guys just never get a confirmation that someone was lynched?

[Scotty]

What's good, Scotty?

Well, lots of stuff. You guys lynched mafia! So sounds like you have a good idea on people.

We finally lynched our first person yesterday, so we feel accomplished. Whether or not Marmot was mafia is another question, but hey! We got a lynch! We finally got more votes on one person than y’all did! It was pissing me off because it just meant mafia was just picking us off every night.

So wait, nobody got Lynched ever on your side? Or did you guys just never get a confirmation that someone was lynched?

You were the only team to ever get lynches, because we hypothetisized you always had more votes on one person.

Sloonei figured you made up the thought that had people were still getting NK’d over here. But nah, what the host post says is what you get

[sprityo]

I think Epi would be able to point out key points in our discussions.

Off the top of my head I would say the day 1 fiasco of no lynching, day 2 Speedchuck died and that brought rifts. Day 3 DDL was lynched BUT, it turns out he shouldn’t have (host error) and gained a second life for his second role. (He was lynched or at least supposed to be lynched yesterday). Day 4 saw the hosts correct themselves and Nutella flipped her first death. Day 5 and 6 we Lynched Long Con. And Day 7 was DDL as previously stated. The roles and host messages are the main take away you want to look at in the thread.

Linki: So then it wasn’t that we received each other’s results, rather you guys couldn’t Lynched anyone and we’re at the mercy of the mafia while the opposite was for us, the mafia being unable to kill anyone over here

This might reflect why we had so many vote manipulator roles come to surface here?

[sprityo]

My mistake, we Lynched Long Con on day 4 and 5, day 6 we Lynched bob but as you can see in his flip post, his role was a sham and it cursed the last person to vote him, being Nutella

[sprityo]

I for one am glad to see the new people because I already feel renewed of energy for solving.

Was getting stale with most everyone being pretty supahtown (at least in my eyes)

[DrWilgy]

Where the fuck am I?!?

0.o

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!

[Scotty]

I think Epi would be able to point out key points in our discussions.

Off the top of my head I would say the day 1 fiasco of no lynching, day 2 Speedchuck died and that brought rifts. Day 3 DDL was lynched BUT, it turns out he shouldn’t have (host error) and gained a second life for his second role. (He was lynched or at least supposed to be lynched yesterday). Day 4 saw the hosts correct themselves and Nutella flipped her first death. Day 5 and 6 we Lynched Long Con. And Day 7 was DDL as previously stated. The roles and host messages are the main take away you want to look at in the thread.

Linki: So then it wasn’t that we received each other’s results, rather you guys couldn’t Lynched anyone and we’re at the mercy of the mafia while the opposite was for us, the mafia being unable to kill anyone over here

This might reflect why we had so many vote manipulator roles come to surface here?

Up until SVS was killed on the same phase that you lynched DDL, we had the theory that if one tribe lynches, the other gets a NK.

But that’s apparently not the case. I have no idea how the mechanic works

[sprityo]

To confirm again, you guys saw the same things we did when someone was lynched and night killed right?

[Scotty]

I for one am glad to see the new people because I already feel renewed of energy for solving.

Was getting stale with most everyone being pretty supahtown (at least in my eyes)

I guess I’ll look through for your reads, but it seems strange that you have so many supatown reads. You gotta have some gnarly potatoes over here by now.

For example, I think Wilgy is bad bad bad.

Hiiiii Wilgy!!

[sprityo]

I wanted to throw these theory posts in here’s because I think they’re pretty accepted:

Fuck it, the PM deadline has passed so no one can act on this information even if they wanted to. Here you guys go:

From Cecil:

Good Morning Syndicate. Everyone's favorite voice on the radio here to congratulate you on a successful Day One. I have high hopes to continue bringing you broadcasts to our little tribe in the coming days. That is, figuring I myself am alive by the end of tonight. Lots of content coming out of a small cluster of people, some of you slackers better pick it up. This is the game of all games afterall. Im looking to you Dom, DragonDLuffy, Quin, ColonialBob, nutella, and sprityo. A few of you more so. It is in my opinion that with Twenty Three players, and us owning eleven. We should have about two mafia members among us. As the new Day comes upon us, let us remember to not becoming paranoid and hunt the players that are helping us. This is Cecil signing off for the night.

I have the cards stacked against me it would seem afterall and I can only do so much aside from try and help you guys figure out who is the politicians

on different note: we know at least three roles are in play for people who havent died. well 2 at the least since cecil can only be confirmed that he is alive the night prior to dying.

Refrigerator
Cecil
Charlie Pace

i'd like to assume refrigerator cannot target themselves. but that's more an @Golden deal since it isnt specified in the role reveal on the front page.
but if so the targets have been SVS, Cbob, and Epi in that order.


We know that Speedchuck, DDL, and Nutella, are not any of the above three

Charlie Pace is obviously Cbob

Refrigerator must be one of these people, since i know for a fact i am not Refrigerator

Dharmahelper
dom was haiku’d day 7
Long Condead
Quin

(again assuming the underlined above)

Why did i spend that time making a hypothetical find for the haiku man? WELL: It could just as easily be used as a saving mechanism for mafia teammates or reduce a town player's influence. But on the flipside, confirming a town player closes more gaps the mafia can fit in as Epi- or was it DH?- put it earlier. (still the Cbob choice is questionable and likely the result of a random toss)
Which would mean, of these people; who couldve forgotten to choose someone Night 1 or alternatively, want to stifle the content of the players in yellow?

(So basically for this above quote if someone is Haiku’d tomorrow it basically confirms DH as Refrigerator, which SVS has already proposed earlier since she got targetted twice, otherwise it’s safe to assume it’s quin, who is no longer with us)

[sprityo]

But yeah that adds to our process of elimination, which I think is what we’ve been mainly using to lynch people over here

[Epignosis]

I just skimmed a few things here, but that's a lot to process. Shit.

[Sloonei]

Did you guys see when INH got blown the flock up a few days ago?

[Epignosis]

I think Epi would be able to point out key points in our discussions.

Off the top of my head I would say the day 1 fiasco of no lynching, day 2 Speedchuck died and that brought rifts. Day 3 DDL was lynched BUT, it turns out he shouldn’t have (host error) and gained a second life for his second role. (He was lynched or at least supposed to be lynched yesterday). Day 4 saw the hosts correct themselves and Nutella flipped her first death. Day 5 and 6 we Lynched Long Con. And Day 7 was DDL as previously stated. The roles and host messages are the main take away you want to look at in the thread.

Linki: So then it wasn’t that we received each other’s results, rather you guys couldn’t Lynched anyone and we’re at the mercy of the mafia while the opposite was for us, the mafia being unable to kill anyone over here

This might reflect why we had so many vote manipulator roles come to surface here?

That's not quite right. Days 4 and 5 we lynched Long Con because colonialbob ate the lynch Day 6.

[Epignosis]

Did you guys see when INH got blown the flock up a few days ago?

Yes. He was the cure.

S~V~S was the disease.

[Epignosis]

My mistake, we Lynched Long Con on day 4 and 5, day 6 we Lynched bob but as you can see in his flip post, his role was a sham and it cursed the last person to vote him, being Nutella

Ah, I didn't see you corrected yourself. Sorry.

[DharmaHelper]

Long day for me, I'll catch up on this later.