Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[DharmaHelper]

Chuck if you and I switched to lynching Doc you'd survive.

[S~V~S]

At this point I'm almost wishing speedchuck gets lynched and shows up good so you'll get off my ass.

Aw, shit.

What? I'm gonna show up good. Have a little faith.

Yes you will show town
But you won't *BE* town; wishing
civs dead isn't town

I can't even talk to you right now. This is ridiculous for about 5 different reasons.

I quoted wrong post
i really quoted wrong post
This is the right one^^

[Epignosis]

IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.

When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"

It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.

None of this moves me.

Nothing you can do will stop people from voting for you. Surely you must know this.

Your only job now, if you are truly a civilian, is to ignore the people voting for you and find mafia. That's it.

[S~V~S]

Just hilarious
DH and DDL were
strongest for Chuck lynch

Do [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]
and [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] think
Nut targeted Chuck?

[DharmaHelper]

Just hilarious
DH and DDL were
strongest for Chuck lynch

Do @DharmaHelper
and @Dragon D. Luffy think
Nut targeted Chuck?

I would assume so.

[speedchuck]

not interested in moving you epi.
i doubt a town flip from the nightkill will help me DH, but I do think Wilgy is scum, so Id be willing to swap.

[DharmaHelper]

not interested in moving you epi.
i doubt a town flip from the nightkill will help me DH, but I do think Wilgy is scum, so Id be willing to swap.

You're on your last life aren't you?

[DharmaHelper]

Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

[Quin]

At this point I'm almost wishing speedchuck gets lynched and shows up good so you'll get off my ass.

Aw, shit.

What? I'm gonna show up good. Have a little faith.

Yes you will show town
But you won't *BE* town; wishing
civs dead isn't town

I want a civ to die too. A specific civ that may not exist. What's the difference between me and chuck saying it? Im only conditionally confirmed, after all.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I believe being good as a civ requires a healthy level of hypocrisy to succeed.

I just feel bad about lynching speed with all his supatowning, so I wanna lynch Wilgy and his blatant scum role first.

[Quin]

Or at least I'm assuming that a role exposer would be civ idk

[Epignosis]

Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

You're a messy bitch who is in a new role.

[DharmaHelper]

Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

You're a messy bitch who is in a new role.

I dunno.

[LoRab]

Voting Wilgy before I forget to vote tomorrow. I think Chuck is probably also bad, but I think there is more reason to believe Wilgy is bad. I look great in aubergine, btw.

[Scotty]

IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.

When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"

It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.

What happened to the whole ‘i Would lynch me if I were you’ attitude you had before?

Listen man. You just spinnin webs like a silkworm. How bout some reads before you die

[Epignosis]

There's been several mafia flips.

How about we just start lynching people with fewer than several posts?

[speedchuck]

IDK. Maybe I'll feel like supahtowning tomorrow. Maybe not. I'm just weary right now.

When people were listening to me, and hell, listening to logic, I could talk. I could discuss. But when people are saying things
like
"There are no assumptions whatsoever we must make for Speedchuck to be scum"
and
"Speed looks towny but that doesn't matter because he looks towny when scum"
and
"Town people can't hope for certain civ flips"
and
"Speed will flip town but will still be scum because of convoluted role nonsense that must exist because I said so"

It makes me feel like I'm wasting effort, throwing logic into the void for it to be devoured by the pitchfork-laden mob. I can deal with people being wrong, but not people being illogical.

What happened to the whole ‘i Would lynch me if I were you’ attitude you had before?

Listen man. You just spinnin webs like a silkworm. How bout some reads before you die

I mean, I would be inclined. Maybe not immediately. But I'd be on the list.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to try to help town. And my lynch does not help town, unless it is needed for discussion to move on.

[speedchuck]

not interested in moving you epi.
i doubt a town flip from the nightkill will help me DH, but I do think Wilgy is scum, so Id be willing to swap.

You're on your last life aren't you?

I am. [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[speedchuck]

Fuck it I'm a messy bitch and I live for Drama

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

(didn't actually vote)

[Epignosis]

Who is a space-baddie?

Poll runs till Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:36 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

Boomslang
0
No votes


Voters: None

colonialbob
0
No votes


Voters: None

dharmahelper
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dom
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dragon D Luffy
0
No votes


Voters: None

DrWilgy
6
38%


Voters: Sloonei, speedchuck, Epignosis, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy, LoRab

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

insertnamehere
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kylemii
0
No votes


Voters: None

LoRab
0
No votes


Voters: None

nijuukyugou
0
No votes


Voters: None

Quin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Scotty
0
No votes


Voters: None

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

Spacedaisy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Speedchuck
6
38%


Voters: sprityo, Scotty, Dom, DharmaHelper, sig, insertnamehere

sprityo
0
No votes


Voters: None

S~V~S
0
No votes


Voters: None

Jeff Probst (host/nons)
4
25%


Voters: juliets, Marmot, JaggedJimmyJay, Golden


Total votes: 16

[DharmaHelper]

So if chuck is on his last life why's he out here talking like it'll matter what he flips

[Quin]

this is spooky

[Scotty]

Quick everybody vote for Sloonei while he’s not looking

[Quin]

There's been several mafia flips.

How about we just start lynching people with fewer than several posts?

That's what I said! With different words and a different meaning.

[Sloonei]

Quick everybody vote for Sloonei while he’s not looking

[Scotty]

Quick everybody vote for Sloonei while he’s not looking

Drats! I’ve been had, gang!
Shoulda taken my Scooby snacks

[insertnamehere]

i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.

[DharmaHelper]

i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.

HUZZAH!

[Sloonei]

Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

[sprityo]

What a surprising turn of events

[DharmaHelper]

Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

Quick everyone pile on Sloonei for questioning the Wilgy train

[Epignosis]

i love it when people declare a person to be the "easy vote," and then vote for another person, therefore disproving their own point.

As far as I'm concerned, they're both bad, so I could give a shit which got lynched first.

[Scotty]

Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

Quick everyone pile on Sloonei for questioning the Wilgy train

Wait til he’s gone!

He has ears on the back of his head

[Scotty]

Still 7 people that haven’t voted yet, so those 7 could change the course of the day!

And who ever said their vote doesn’t matter (I did, until I graduated college)

[Dom]

yo scotty you wanna respond to questions posed to you or nah

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine


I like Epi's analysis on this. Convinced me we shoudln't wait.

@Scotty

You're voting for Speedchuck without even knowing about his role reveal post?

Y’know I was confusing speed with nutella. I knew he was a doctor. Made that argument that he could have easily been a mafia doctor with 2 teams and this many roles.

Epi disagreed.

Anyway, regardless of his role, he should be lynched today

Regardless of his first role? Or his present role? Or the fact that he revealed as town? I'm not sure exactly what you meant there.

His first role.

Oh!!!!! Right! I totally forgot his role was revealed. I have it in my mind that it was just his alignment and got caught up in that.

Anyway, doesn’t matter

...then why do you want to lynch him?

yo scotty you wanna respond to questions posed to you or nah

As I said, doesn’t matter

[Epignosis]

Pretend Wilgy and speedchuck didn't exist.

Who is bad and why?

[Kylemii]

i feel like i'm so behind... i've been kinda telling myself that i don't really need to read the entire Pikachu thread to like... feel engaged, but I still feel like I know less than I could know if I'd read everything. maybe i should just bite the bullet...

can someone please summarize the arguments for and against both speed and wilgy? i think i generally get the idea but would appreciate seeing the two sides of each layed out neatly.

[Epignosis]

Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

[Epignosis]

i feel like i'm so behind... i've been kinda telling myself that i don't really need to read the entire Pikachu thread to like... feel engaged, but I still feel like I know less than I could know if I'd read everything. maybe i should just bite the bullet...

can someone please summarize the arguments for and against both speed and wilgy? i think i generally get the idea but would appreciate seeing the two sides of each layed out neatly.

It's okay. We're lynching you instead.

[Kylemii]

Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

what interactions?

[Kylemii]

I don't think Marmot responds to INH's vocaroo link the way he did if he and wilgy are partners. That effectively renders wilgy's role useless.

I also assume wilgy is an Even rather than strexcorp based on thr Night 8 kill. This hinges on the theory that the Evens are killing on even nights while strex kills on odd nights. We could put more research into that. The theory which has been raised is that sprit has to have been killed by a newcomer from Cerberus after LoRab pressed the button, but I think that theory is baloney. That said, if the assumptions about nightkill mechanisms hold true, then somebody from the Evil Evens needed to have been active in Pikachu on Night 8 to kill sprityo. POE has more or less ruled out everyone but Wilgy (for me, at least) from that grouping. His first role seems like it could easily have been anti-town, not that that's been an entirely reliable metric in this game. I stand by my strong suspicion of him and am inclined to guess that he is an Even with nutella and Long Con.

What about Kyle?
I have him as a null-bad read right now. I’ve brought this up before but he’s like Tonya Harding to me- just skating along the edges and probably holding a dark secret.

He’s offered to do ISOs on people early on, but didn’t. When pressed again by me, he said he’d get around to it. Did amounted to a few reads on some people. Then the rest of the game, to be brutally honest, has been a game of 20 questions from him, except it’s more like 200 questions and there’s no end to the game in sight. Call it falling behind (which is entirely possible, since he was in 3+ games simultaneously) but it feels like a crutch to keep up the ‘what’s going on’ routine this late in the game

okay first of all, chill, dude. I've got things going on, sometimes promises get broken. my schedule got more complicated when I got promoted to fish guy and at the same time that this game's amount of content literally tripled in size, so I'm a little behind, and yes definitely more than a little bit disengaged.

I like to ask a lot of questions to find out what's important and what I should focus on during my digs so I can be more efficient and only spend time on things that are worthwhile or relevant. work smarter not harder is like 90% of my strategy in everything in life.

[Dom]

Pretend Wilgy and speedchuck didn't exist.

Who is bad and why?

i suspect ddl for the same reasons as i have since like day 2
i suspect scotty for dodging questions
i suspect cbob for only caring about the game when he's going to die
i suspect epignosis for having a solid connection to nutella, continually ignoring questions and then acting offended when i call him out on it, pretending to think questions were rhetorical when they were posted multiple times..... the only reason why i hesitate to say he's bad is that i haven't been night killed.

Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

elaborate.

[Quin]

Pretend Wilgy and speedchuck didn't exist.

Who is bad and why?

i suspect ddl for the same reasons as i have since like day 2
i suspect scotty for dodging questions
i suspect cbob for only caring about the game when he's going to die
i suspect epignosis for having a solid connection to nutella, continually ignoring questions and then acting offended when i call him out on it, pretending to think questions were rhetorical when they were posted multiple times..... the only reason why i hesitate to say he's bad is that i haven't been night killed.

Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

elaborate.

poor cbob is never gonna catch a break is he

[Quin]

Tell me why bob's explanation isn't good enough for you, Dom.

[Dom]

Tell me why bob's explanation isn't good enough for you, Dom.

Because endgame in Fire Emblem wasn't Days 1-5 of this game and then Days 7-9.

[Dom]

also speedchuck provided that excuse for him days ago-- just as nutella provided epignosis with excuses over and over again.

[Scotty]

I don't think Marmot responds to INH's vocaroo link the way he did if he and wilgy are partners. That effectively renders wilgy's role useless.

I also assume wilgy is an Even rather than strexcorp based on thr Night 8 kill. This hinges on the theory that the Evens are killing on even nights while strex kills on odd nights. We could put more research into that. The theory which has been raised is that sprit has to have been killed by a newcomer from Cerberus after LoRab pressed the button, but I think that theory is baloney. That said, if the assumptions about nightkill mechanisms hold true, then somebody from the Evil Evens needed to have been active in Pikachu on Night 8 to kill sprityo. POE has more or less ruled out everyone but Wilgy (for me, at least) from that grouping. His first role seems like it could easily have been anti-town, not that that's been an entirely reliable metric in this game. I stand by my strong suspicion of him and am inclined to guess that he is an Even with nutella and Long Con.

What about Kyle?
I have him as a null-bad read right now. I’ve brought this up before but he’s like Tonya Harding to me- just skating along the edges and probably holding a dark secret.

He’s offered to do ISOs on people early on, but didn’t. When pressed again by me, he said he’d get around to it. Did amounted to a few reads on some people. Then the rest of the game, to be brutally honest, has been a game of 20 questions from him, except it’s more like 200 questions and there’s no end to the game in sight. Call it falling behind (which is entirely possible, since he was in 3+ games simultaneously) but it feels like a crutch to keep up the ‘what’s going on’ routine this late in the game

okay first of all, chill, dude. I've got things going on, sometimes promises get broken. my schedule got more complicated when I got promoted to fish guy and at the same time that this game's amount of content literally tripled in size, so I'm a little behind, and yes definitely more than a little bit disengaged.

I like to ask a lot of questions to find out what's important and what I should focus on during my digs so I can be more efficient and only spend time on things that are worthwhile or relevant. work smarter not harder is like 90% of my strategy in everything in life.

Grats on fish guy!

It’s ok man, im just busting your buns in a game situation. Nothing personal of course. I’m as chill as a sea cucumber.

I understand asking questions- that’s how interaction happens and reads are made, when people respond to your questions and you make inferences (hiii dom). my point is that- most likely because you’re continually falling behind in catch-up- I don’t see those connections made at all. I’m not saying to read Pikachu completely- hell, I didn’t even come close to fully reading it- but often times when someone references something like it’s the moon landing, I’ll go try to look it up at least.

i feel like i'm so behind... i've been kinda telling myself that i don't really need to read the entire Pikachu thread to like... feel engaged, but I still feel like I know less than I could know if I'd read everything. maybe i should just bite the bullet...

can someone please summarize the arguments for and against both speed and wilgy? i think i generally get the idea but would appreciate seeing the two sides of each layed out neatly.

I wanna hear the general idea in your words how you currently interpret them.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Tell me why bob's explanation isn't good enough for you, Dom.

Because endgame in Fire Emblem wasn't Days 1-5 of this game and then Days 7-9.

I think you are being too strict, and ignoring Bob's ability to forget about FE for a while to pay attention at the day phase that basically had his name on it.

[nijuukyugou]

Quick post (because I’m seriously doubtful I’ll be back before deadline with the day’s events here). Gonna aubergine Wilgy because of that role descriptor. Will catch up later (I’m trying to do bits by phone when I have time) when I’m on a computer.