Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[nijuukyugou]

Town read on nijuukyugou.

y’all, I’m so far behind that Boomslang had to tell me IRL that this reveal happened. Jesus I need a drink

Oh wait there’s one right next to me in this bar

[Epignosis]

I'm sticking to my guns here, right now it might not matter but by end if game time if he has two lives it could fuck up the civs. Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike.

My suspicion of sloonie even if its flipflopped should and is clear I've thought hs could be mafia since the beginning.

Its also laughable to pursue me for this and say it makes me look bad. Sloonie is in no way a low hanging fruit and I'm in no way a town leader who ppl will blindly follow. It makes no sense for me as mafia to say this. In fact its like North korea saying they'll beat the U.S. in a war. Nobody believes it'll happen but it still makes the news.

How do you know, sig
That mafia has not shot
Commander Sloonei?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I enjoy having nju having her role revealed and all, however I would’ve personally enjoyed cbob’s alignment much more

TOWN

There ya go buddy

You sure are cheeky huh?

Too much time playing with Jackofhearts2005 I'm afraid

[sprityo]

I’d like it known that Epi and myself are the only two alive from Pikachu Tribe that we’re also in Pikachu Tribe 2.0

I don’t think he killed me

[Ben Linus]

Destiny is a fickle bitch.

[Spacedaisy]

Well hello Ben.

[sprityo]

Opinion: I think cbob is a possibility for strex. But INH certainly looks worse. I saw some stuff about sig that I should look into myself if I find the time

With that [VOTE: INH] aubergine

Linki: hi ben

[Ben Linus]

Well hello Ben.

Hello, number 9.

[Ben Linus]

Opinion: I think cbob is a possibility for strex. But INH certainly looks worse. I saw some stuff about sig that I should look into myself if I find the time

With that [VOTE: INH] aubergine

Linki: hi ben

Hello, number 4.

[nijuukyugou]

I'm caught up since the Night post and I'm still lost. Oh well. I'll just keep trying to read and talk.

[nijuukyugou]

Hi Ben?

[Ben Linus]

My first order of business is to inform you all that Epignosis (number 1) and Sloonei (number 2) have been handcuffed for the remainder of the day phase. They must vote the same way by the end of Day 12. Or else.

[Ben Linus]

Hi Ben?

Well, number 15, hello.

[Epignosis]

I am not greeting
Henry Gale the imposter
Who has our numbers

[nijuukyugou]

I am not greeting
Henry Gale the imposter
Who has our numbers

Hmm, yes, that probably wasn't the best. Oh well. Hi, Epi?

[Ben Linus]

Oh, and, I should make it clear that you all have been assigned a number, if you couldn't tell... guess you will have to figure out what they mean.

That should be enough for now. I will return.

[Epignosis]

Henry Gale- a fan
Of this funny boy band named
M Plus 7- who knew?

[sprityo]

Hi Ben?

Well, number 15, hello.

NUMBER FIFTEEN. BURGER KING FOOT LETTUCE

[nijuukyugou]

Hi Ben?

Well, number 15, hello.

Wrong. Number 29

[sprityo]

I don’t believe this is related to our role numbers

[Spacedaisy]

I know it's not related, lol. My role number is definitely not 9.

[Scotty]

The hell was that

[Scotty]

tfw Ben Linus' last post was this

[insertnamehere]

goddamn it, why do motherfuckers always try to mislynch me on my birthday

INH
Boomslang
Nju
colonialbob
Daisy
DDL

who is your biggest suspect and why?
who do you trust the most and why?

Sig is my biggest scumread, and has been forever.

S~V~S and I have been on the same page until she posted a case against me, and then two people who I've negatively talked about + Sprityo jumped on board a wagon with her. So, . Not sure I can trust the person who's about to get me killed for realz. Other than her...[mention]Quin[/mention] probably. Dude was right about Speed, and I've been mainly getting good vibes from him. Would like to see more about his DDL case.

Also, thanks Niju for killing me the first time, ya jerk.

Will now answer S~V~S' and Scotty's posts about me.

[nijuukyugou]

goddamn it, why do motherfuckers always try to mislynch me on my birthday

INH
Boomslang
Nju
colonialbob
Daisy
DDL

who is your biggest suspect and why?
who do you trust the most and why?

Sig is my biggest scumread, and has been forever.

S~V~S and I have been on the same page until she posted a case against me, and then two people who I've negatively talked about + Sprityo jumped on board a wagon with her. So, . Not sure I can trust the person who's about to get me killed for realz. Other than her...@Quin probably. Dude was right about Speed, and I've been mainly getting good vibes from him. Would like to see more about his DDL case.

Also, thanks Niju for killing me the first time, ya jerk.

Will now answer S~V~S' and Scotty's posts about me.

That's rather presumptuous

[insertnamehere]

I just started rereading Cerberus from this perspective; why these targets?

I am gonna drop the eggplant on INH for now. He defended Wilgy quite a bit in early days, and again in later days. J O'H, who was the civviest civ to civ was on his back, and subsequently died via Strex. And if there is one person that I think INH would expect to see through his baddie self, it would be DH. And DH was killed with extreme prejudice starting Night 9 (the merge was Day 9), then Night 11, INHs' first two nights in the room with DH. He asked about Negan sightings when we first got to Pikachu, first thing. He never mentioned it here, not even to razz DH about it, although that seemed to be his primary interest when the Pikachus got to Cerberus.

I did not finsih rereading him at Cerberus, and I did not read him in ISO after the Merge, so my Aubergine could change, but right now I feel he is the person who is most likely to have wanted DH dead who did not interact with him before the merge.

Tossing the Aubergine, *VOTE INH*

damn it S~V~S, I was nodding my head at 90% of your posts before this.

Wilgy bamboozled me. I was worried about the thread going after easy targets, and, to borrow a phrase from Sloonei, barrelling down the path of least resistance, and saw him mainly as a scapegoat-patsy. I didn't like Daisy's case against him, and to be honest, I still don't. I defended the wrong person for, in my opinion, the right reasons. Also, TBH, my massive wall-post about him on Day 11, in which I fully admitted that I expected Wilgy to be lynched, and that there was nothing I could do to stop it, was more to caution people to put more thought into their votes, and encourage more critical discussion.

I honestly don't think I've played non-LMS mafia with DH for literal years. After I took an extended sabbatical from the site, and came back in 2016, we haven't played many games together. We were both in Survivor Mafia, which was an LMS game, and he was in a couple games I hosted, but that's it. I strongly disagree with your assertion that I'd think he'd be able to "see through [my] baddie self," and I'm frankly confused why you immediately looked my direction when he was killed. We sim together, and he plays my games, but we don't play together.

The Negan thing was an icebreaker, mainly. Also, it was a bit of a poke at you for being so uncomfortable with his Negan RP in Survivor. Apologies for not making it into a running gag.

[Boomslang]

I think colonialbob and sig are the strongest candidates.

why these two? and if I asked you to pick the stronger candidate, which would you choose?

Argh, misread the polls; I'd thought both colonialbob and sig were on the "first voted Speedchuck and then Wilgy" train. Cbob did do a Speedchuck to worthless DH vote, however. Not sure if the context of the DH kill adds any more information about that vote, given that we still have two mafia teams still out.

I'd say sig is the stronger candidate. His "sticking to his guns" comment gaslights people who are questioning him over Sloonei suspicion; it strikes me as someone who's caught in a slip doubling down. Also, "Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike" is pouring a nice tall glass of WIFOM.

[insertnamehere]

Let's look at INH's interactions with Wilgy:

Firstly, I would like to direct everyone to the case I made about INH on Day 4- I totally forgot about it and found it odd at the time in relation to Wilgy lol

Now I'll fill in some gaps.

Spoiler: show

People I'm looking at today, in no particular order:

Sig - Same reasons as yesterday. May vote for him.
Daisy - Not really done much other than go after Boomslang for kinda flimsy reasons and randomly vote for Wilgy. May vote for her.
Kyle - I suck at reading him, so I'm kinda fighting my instincts on this one, but I really didn't like his overreaction to the perceived overreaction of Boomslang's 70% comment. Not gonna vote for him today due to insanification.
Scotty - The Lorab thing is weak sauce. I myself sometimes struggle with having solid reads, and can be hella reticent to concretely voice my opinions, so Lorab is reading as a town-read to me. Scotty sure is posting a bunch, but I'm not really sure what all he's saying. Plus, he hasn't yet posted a Survivor Mafia 2 in The Drawing Board forum. We should lynch him solely for that. May vote for him.
Wilgy - Good ol' unreadable clusterfuck-y wiggly Wilgy. I appreciate his defense of me against Sloonei's nonsense, but he's still one big question mark to me, way more than perhaps any other player. Probably won't vote for him.
Nijuu - Like his Sig vote, but still a bit of a blank read. I know that this is WIFOM soup, but considering that it appears that mafia remain mafia after losing a life, I can't help but wonder if they'd NK one of their own early on just to muddy up the waters. It's a dumb reason to suspect Nijuu, as I'm well aware, but it's why I can't really loosen up and townread him. Probably won't vote for him.

-This is his first mention of Wilgy, and it's Day 3. He 'probably won't vote for him'

Spoiler: show

Screw it, I'll make my own super-cool rainbow list. What it lacks in visual flair, it makes up for in readability.

JoH
Marmot
Ninja
Boomslang
Sloonei
Lorab
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Scotty
Sig
Spacedaisy

I can't keep the original colors on this list in quoting from old Bidoof, but Wilgy is a solid yellow in this, while Marmot is a solid green.

Spoiler: show

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:46 am
I have been doing most of my reading at work, which is why when I post it has more thoughts. I can't post as easily at work. So I know that when I was catching up once Wilgy started talking something he said jumped out at me and immediately made me think, "teammates." But I can't recall off the top of my head. I will need to find it again. I just don't have time tonight.

On another note, I think I was a lot more loud about the fact I didn't like Boomslang jumping on the dumb 70% thing. I get why it doesn't make sense as a statement, but I think Boomslang is a really smart dude. He should have been able to realize, that this statement is not one that logically would say "Baddie." So the fact that he based his vote on that dumb comment is what bothers me. in fact that is what bothers me about Boomslang overall. I have a high amount of respect for his intellect in general. And I struggle to find the logic in his suspicions. This could entirely just be a difference of how we think, that is my only hindrance in this. But I have no qualms about the fact I suspected Boom based on that. I think it's weird no one really talked much about the fact I took this strong stance about it. And even weirder that I don't even remember Kyle having made a big deal of it.

I don't have the immediate feeling of "TOWN" from Kyle that I have in the past, but I haven't had any kind of feel.

At one point in my read through, I had the thought that I believed either Boomslang, Blooper or both were bad but I didn't believe they were both good. I can't recall why now though. Perhaps something to do with how they interacted. I'll have to revisit to figure it out again.

Uh something else, I can't recall. Someone that had listed suspicion of me seemed fake as shit, but now I don't remember which one. Must research to recall.

That's all I can think of tonight. My energy went to researching Wilgy to decide if I was on crack or not regarding my perception of his meta. I decided that I don't think I am. However I will add this caveat. The older games lack this pattern. But I feel like it is present in all the games I checked from 2017 and so far in 2018. I didn't look through all 2016, I noticed the lack of it back in the 2015 games, but we're talking three years ago. I still feel fairly strongly that we are seeing bad Wilgy here. So much so I am willing to toss my vote there right now.

VOTE DrWilgy You asked for an aubergine fiiiiight, and I love you toooo. But I still think you are bad. But I love you, Baddie Badderson.

Coaching weak suspicions in "you're usually better" nonsensical sentiment. Boomslang is usually smarter (which Daisy and Sloonei seem to define as agreeing with their suspicions instead of having their own opinions) and DrWilgy is, I guess, more gimmick-y? The only thing from Wilgy's game-content that I've found disagreeable is his Boomslang vote today. Daisy's highly-subjective entirely-meta case against him just seems like formless finger pointing.

I'd vote for Daisy or Sig today over anyone else. I'm gonna try and ISO Scotty at some point and give my thoughts on him and his glut of content.

Blatant defense of Wilgy and attempt to discredit.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:52 pm
@insertnamehere @Marmot whatcha gonna do with them votes?

Nothin', as I think both Boomslang and Wilgy are civilians. I ain't choosing to be complicit in this shit.

Wilgy is basically his best friend at this point. Tying Boom into a reason not to support the main trains is another negative here because it takes off the pressure of flat out avoiding only Wilgy.

Spoiler: show

Nothin', as I think both Boomslang and Wilgy are civilians. I ain't choosing to be complicit in this shit.

Even if it means our tribe fails to lynch yet again?

Why are you so fixated on this? If people haven't achieved reliable consensus, why force their hand, especially when the other tribe seems to be chugging along just fine? If we go into the merge with most of our tribe, we have that entire background of play to inform our choices in later game.

I've been making this exact argument the last two days. But now I am of the opinion that whichever tribe fails to lynch becomes the victim of the nightkill. I'd rather we lynch a player around whom there is suspicion, than have the mafia pick off a player who is generally considered a townie. coughcough.

Even if you're true with your assumptions, this still just goes back to what I was saying about complicity. Seems to me that I can choose to either be an active participant in killing a civilian, or a bystander. I'm choosing the latter.

I disagree with this philosophy wholeheartedly, but I don't suspect you for it.

I'm moving my pointless vote over to Sloonei mainly out of sheer annoyance.

aubergine

Just weaksauce reasoning to avoid 2 people, AND basically uses it as a NO U even though Sloonei isn't accusing INH directly.

Spoiler: show

Alrighty, finally caught up.

Firstly, can someone tell me what the fuck "Bidoof" means?

Secondly, reading through the whole Speedchuck thing feels like randomly tuning into some later season of a heavily-serialized TV show, and trying to mentally fill in the gaps. Unfortunately, despite S~V~S being super duper earnest, I have to side with the dull, boring, rational, Occam's-Razor-y DH and DDL on this one. He's probably where my vote's going tomorrow.

Thirdly, Scotty. @S~V~S, you were pretty sus of him due to all the Day 5 shenanigans. Here's my perspective. Scotty, JoH, and Sloonei were all desperately pushing towards lynches at any costs at this point in the game, which was tricky due to having no real flips or info to go off of. Their solution seemed to essentially be playing spin-the-bottle with whoever either disagreed with them or hadn't posted in a while. Boomslang, who is my current top civ read, disagreed with them, and has been relentlessly pursued because of it.

Sloonei and Scotty had a case against me, which they themselves admitted was BS. Nevertheless due to a mixture of apathy and inertia, I began picking up votes. I wrote up a case against sig, which was based on actual, y'know, stuff, and that managed to shift their attention.

At the time, I was nervous that a scummeister could be using the pressure towards a lynch with more voters than Pikachu's to frame civilians.

The fact that this push to beat Pikachu's numbers happened at the same time as LC was about to be lynched over there, well, it don't look great.

Out of the three (relatively) hyper-active players pushing towards a lynch, Scotty's the one that looks the worst to me. JoH is dead, and Sloonei has seemingly calmed down a hell of a lot when the button got pressed. Scotty's the one who first made the switch when I protested against my lynch and offered an "easier" alternative.

This is all not to imply that I don't still suspect sig. As I said over at NuCerberus:

Like Quin said, there's a pretty decent chance that in a game this size that's this convoluted, (I know, I'm one to talk) there are multiple baddie teams. Even if sig's "wagon" was bolstered by an attempt to save LC's bacon, that doesn't discount any of my suspicions of him. Plus, sig had an extra life at that time, and I could see a baddie team not really minding bussing a member with two lives to try and save someone else.

Fourthy, Wilgy. I don't think Wilgy is bad. I think Daisy's meta case against him is hollow and kinda judgmental. I don't like Scotty and company latching onto him as an easy target due to his inactivity. The fact that vote after vote has been cast at him today makes me pretty sure we aren't gonna get anything out of his lynch. But, as S~V~S said, the dude's super-busy, and can't be replaced anytime soon. That's enough for me to sigh and add my twig to the Wilgy bonfire. Plus, I'd be super pissed if Boomslang got lynched today.

[VOTE: WILGY] aubergine

Someone left the water boiling on the stove and INH is feebly attempting to turn down the heat. But it's just too little too late. Another plea to not let Wilgy die. And yet he votes for Wilgy anyway, out of resignation to the fact.

Also to note, cbob and speed immediately vote for INH because of this post.

Spoiler: show

Whether I agree with your reasons or not is irrelevant.

The problem is that you began a vote post with "I don't think he is bad"

The devil is in the details.

Uh huh.

Well, if you aren't willing to talk about the reasons behind my vote, then your case is irrelevant.

Nothing I have seen from Wilgy makes me think he is bad. But, he's still, IMO, the best lynch candidate for today.

I don't think those two statements are contradictory.

It's resignation. It's like ogling a girl at the beach in front of your girlfriend and when she catches you, explain that she walked into your line of sight and what else were you supposed to do??

Spoiler: show

Please allow me to have my S~V~S moment of Atticus Finch'ing Wilgy before he gets decisively sold down the river.

Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

This is the post that I keep coming back to. This here thread's hella flighty, going after, as Sloonei says, the path of least resistance.

That's because of a strange contradiction which is occupying this game. Despite having successfully killed multiple mafia members, no one's actually acting like they know what's going on. People aren't really extrapolating things from flips. Instead, we're going with gut reads and flights of fancy. Except, of course, when an act of bizzarity like the whole Speedchuck conundrum pops up, which, to be honest, would have gotten him lynched in whatever game it happened in.

It's hard to pinpoint the root cause of this passivity and confused malaise, *COUGH*CHICKACHIKAMECHANICS*COUGH* but we can see it displayed in full force with the case against the good honorable Doctor Wilgy, who, let's be honest, is definitely gonna be lynched today.

SYNDICATE CRIME STORY

THE PEOPLE VS. DOCTOR WILGY

1. "META"

Spacedaisy's argument which more or less kicked this whole thing off centered around her belief in a simple dichotomy between the good, civilian DrWilgy, and the evil, scummy Mr. Hyde DrWilgy. Good Wilgy is zany, irrelevant, and usually actively self-sabotaging. We've all seen DrWilgy in games before, acting like some kind of madman, randomly interjecting nonsensical asides into the thread. It's what he's known for. He's a successor to the previous King of Irreverence, @Vompatti. (RIP) That, according to Daisy, is the "civ" Wilgy.

Meanwhile, there ostensibly exists a second doppelganger-esque version of Wilgy which lies in wait, exhibiting such maniacal stratagems as "logic," and "effort" to stymy people into believing he's civilian, when really he's a dirty, rotten scummeister.

Basically, "weird" Wilgy = civ, and "intelligent" Wilgy = scum.

That's a pretty bullshit meta case, even by the low standards of meta cases. Assuming that this is true impugns the good Doctor's character. Who are we, who presume to know what lies in the mind of Wilgy? This is the Game of Champions, and despite a sluggish start, I'd expect everyone to bring their A-game. (Even though I myself have faltered at this due to hosting obligations.) It's a dumb, reductive, and certainly not flattering case that throws context out the window. Furthermore, and this is just my opinion, I'd rather play with a persuasive, involved, comprehensible version of Wilgy than the fountain of wackiness. Enthusiastically agreeing with this meta case seems like a way to message to Wilgy that he should be less involved in games, because people will just assume that he's, y'know, trying because he's bad, and not because he just enjoys playing.

Bleh.

2. "PREVIOUS ROLE"

As far as I can gather, and this has kinda been my pet theory from the start, roles don't actually come with a pre-defined alignment. S~V~S was the literal plague, and she's a strong civ read for me.

It seems to me that if you suspect Wilgy because of his previous role, you must also view everyone else through that lens. No cherrypicking who "it makes sense for." For me, that has too many repurcussions that contradict my views.

3. "THE SPRITYO KILL"

Really, Sloonei has been the only one beating this drum, and I have to give him credit for it. This reason's way stronger than the first two, mainly due to its reliance on facts.

FACT: Sprityo was killed Night 8 on the Pikachu Tribe after the wacky swap.

FACT: It must have been (at least) one of the following eight people - Sloonei, Kylemii, Spacedaisy, Scotty, DharmaHelper, Epignosis, Sprityo himself, or DrWilgy. (At least) one of those eight people is a moiderer.

This is where things get all subjective-y, but I've personally had more reason to suspect Daisy, Scotty, and DH than Wilgy. Interesting how they all seem to be funneling onto him today. I don't jive with Sloonei's POE reasoning, and if you suspect any of the other eight people, you don't either.

4. "DAMMIT, GOLDEN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T FIND A FRIGGIN' REPLACEMENT FOR THE GAME OF CHAMPIONS?"

This is the unescapable reality which will dictate why he'll probably be lynched today. DrWilgy has a ton of shit going on in his life currently, and cannot participate in the thread or lend to discussion very much. He popped back up during on March 21st, and has posted a couple of times since then, but overall does not seem to be stepping up his participation. Wilgy has gots to do what Wilgy has gots to do.

All that makes him an uber-easy target. No resistance, no pushback. All you have to do is sigh and go, "Wilgy, I guess," and everyone will nod their head in understanding. And that's why he's gonna be lynched today. Not because of any solid reasoning. Because he's the easiest option, the path of least resistance.

My fellow Champions, why must it be that way? Can we please all, including the poor old Doctor Wilgy, find in our hearts to try and do better than this?

Hell, lynch me for posting a large, rambling, nonsensical post passionately defending an inactive player without really providing a strong alternative! At least that's an actual reason for suspicion.

So the last lynch when he decried Wilgy's fate was the 1st lynch. Now he comes in with this gigantic summation and last ditch effort to keep Wilgy alive. This could be, in INH's mind, a civ performance when Wilgy is inevitably lynched, and would look like the work of a hard-working misguided civ that was just wrong.


I don't like it, sam I am. I'm willing to lynch INH today.

vote INH aubergine

I didn't find Wilgy suspicious, and I stand by my reasons for not finding him suspicious. You painting my attempts to not go along with you and Sloonei's attempts to pressure me into voting for either Wilgy or Boomslang in order to fulfill the idiotic imperative of lynching someone, as weaksauce is eyeroll-worthy. You also bafflingly say that my vote for Sloonei was a NO U, when the Sloonei vote was more of a joke than anything else, which is something I thought was patently obvious. I was pretty annoyed at his pressuring me, and did it to vent frustration, even though I never thought he was bad or expected anyone else to follow me. Ironically, this was right around when all the heat on LC was starting to rise over at Pikachu. Personally, I think the rush to lynch someone on Cerberus had to be, on a certain level, pushed to prevent Pikachu from lynching more baddies, and I still suspect you more than a little for it, as I've stated multiple times.

I thought I kinda explained my Day 9 vote, but I guess I'll do it again. It was a few hours before EOD, I didn't have much time to post, and I fell prey to the "why not Wilgy, the dude's inactive and inscrutable" mentality. I later realized how utterly wack that is, and wrote the wall-post to dissect how people seemed to be voting due to this "why not," mindset, and how it could potentially lead to civilian apathy and disorganization. I still think my point is valid.

This post is a big bowl of poisoned WIFOM, in which you ignore context to make me look bad, and to make yourself look good.

Bleh.

[insertnamehere]

I think colonialbob and sig are the strongest candidates.

why these two? and if I asked you to pick the stronger candidate, which would you choose?

Argh, misread the polls; I'd thought both colonialbob and sig were on the "first voted Speedchuck and then Wilgy" train. Cbob did do a Speedchuck to worthless DH vote, however. Not sure if the context of the DH kill adds any more information about that vote, given that we still have two mafia teams still out.

I'd say sig is the stronger candidate. His "sticking to his guns" comment gaslights people who are questioning him over Sloonei suspicion; it strikes me as someone who's caught in a slip doubling down. Also, "Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike" is pouring a nice tall glass of WIFOM.

Would you be willing to start a sig wagon?

[insertnamehere]

And now for your weekly scheduled "WHAT HAS SIG BEEN UP TO RECENTLY?" update.

On Day 11, after posting a big, bland wall of reads, in which he didn't mention me at all, and called Sloonei "meh," he followed my vote for him with a seemingly random vote for me.

quickly popping in to throw out a useless vote

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I'll omgus on this.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Instead of following up on any of his reads, or doing anything productive, he does what he himself refers to as an "OMGUS."

Night 11, he posts stating that he wants to lynch Boomslang the next day, and that he could see a "boomslang, bloober, and Wilgy" team. This is never followed up upon.

He states that the people who didn't vote for Wilgy on Day 11 aren't on his team, a statement which I don't totally disagree with. I could see them falling prey to the same "why not Wilgy, dude's inactive anyway" mindset as the civilians.

He becomes confused over whether or not Strex killed me, due the weird nature of my daytime death. (Sorry for accusing you Niju, but you can't really blame me for looking in your direction.)

Then, this new wall of reads:

And those who say that I've been playing differently since my second role, that's true I've tried to be more active and engaging less zany since I'm now on my last life and I'd rather not die yet.

A few quick reads/salad
SVS - She seems good right now, contributing a fair amount and I'm not getting baddie gut vibes from her.
Epi - Same as SVS he seems genuine and is contributing
INH - His push on me seems genuine so at the very least he wouldn't be on one mafia team and I don't believe he's Wilgy teammate. So he could be Even, but doubt it.
Lorab - Been back and forth on her, but I'm back to thinking she's a civ/indy
Sloonie - He still has two lives correct? And hasn't been killed yet, I wouldn't mind lynching him to even the playing field at some point. Also i'm not convinced that he's a civ. More on this later.


That's all i've got time for right now, if anyone has specific questions feel free to mention me.

His Sloonei read has progressed from inconsistent to incoherent. So, he's gotta die to "even the playing field?" He promises more later on, and then we get this:

I'm sticking to my guns here, right now it might not matter but by end if game time if he has two lives it could fuck up the civs. Plus mafia hasn't targeted him which i really dislike.

My suspicion of sloonie even if its flipflopped should and is clear I've thought hs could be mafia since the beginning.

Its also laughable to pursue me for this and say it makes me look bad. Sloonie is in no way a low hanging fruit and I'm in no way a town leader who ppl will blindly follow. It makes no sense for me as mafia to say this. In fact its like North korea saying they'll beat the U.S. in a war. Nobody believes it'll happen but it still makes the news.

Hoo boy. I'm one of those people who never quite grasped the shifting definition of the term "WIFOM," mainly due to me not watching The Princess Bride for whatever reason, but this whole declaration of war against Sloonei without any actual, y'know, reasoning, surrounded by "it makes no sense for me as mafia to say this" literally made my eyebrow twitch when I read it, and I'm pretty sure it qualifies as WIFOM nonsense.

Sig's suspicion of Sloonei makes no damn sense, is filled with WIFOM, and bizarre "kill those with 2 lives" ideas that seem hella anti-civ to me.

Lynch this clown.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

I'm actually concerned right now about sig and Scotty probably equally to INH right now. My main hold back on INH is he defended Wilgy hard. I'm sure his team knew he was trying to get replaced, but it was pretty clear Wilgy was going down. If they were teammates, why defend him this hard? That is the one thing that holds me back on INH.

sig I already mentioned that last post about Sloonei has me absolutely concerned. I just said not that long ago that we should watch out for players who want to just lynch all the players down to one life, they could very well be mafia mining for a teammate hidden in the second roles. I don't like this post from sig. But to me it kind of balances the opposite feeling from sig regarding the 70% haiku comment. I just can't see a reason a baddie would make such a ridiculous statement. So I am torn right now, but leaning bad slightly.

Scotty just pinged me hard. He basically is saying, pay no attention to Evens, we should be focusing on that last Strex because we have better leads there. I don't like that look either. But he knew how it looked when he said it too, so if he is bad, it is ballsy.

Lastly Kyle is still on my radar. I have seen one post from him though that I finally felt like I could hear his voice in it. When I hear those posts in his voice I know I am feeling like it's more genuine. I realize that this is a lot of gut based thoughts. But that one post took a long time to get here, which leaves me feeling unsure about him too.

I might switch off INH, not sure. If so it will most likely move to Scotty or sig. We'll see how this progresses. I do like SVS's case for INH, but I just think it's a very risky move to defend a teammate that hard when he is trying to get out of the game and is looking like he will be lynched.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei did you really read all of this during the weekend you had full access or did you rely on the summaries they made

wut

[Quin]

um no we are not lynching insertnamehere today thank you

[Quin]

So we can assume there is an Even among these people:
Epginosis
Kylemii
Scotty
Sloonei
Spacedaisy

excluded sprityo because I don't think he killed himself.

This would also mean that the configuration of Pikachu 2.0 was 2 evens vs 2 strex vs 6 townies. (or x-number of townies vs x-number of indies, if we wanna go down that rabbit hole). And we still managed to eliminate two baddies in one day.

since for starters we have at least a 20 percent chance of lynching scum if we lynch from this group versus the whatever the heck but definitely lower chance if we lynch outside of it



plus since the moment i saw INH in this game i've wanted to dryhump him into the nth dimension so there's that too

[Quin]

Scotty made this big INH interactions post out of nowhere, threw a vote on him and then dropped the interactions scumhunting angle completely. Yuck!

[Quin]

Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.

[Sloonei]

Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.

tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?

[Quin]

Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.

tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?

I think Scotty used his interaction post as a means to lynch INH, not as an actual attempt to develop an informed read.

i dunno about kyle. he's not been on my radar. Should I be more worried about him than Scotty?

[Sloonei]

Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.

tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?

I think Scotty used his interaction post as a means to lynch INH, not as an actual attempt to develop an informed read.

i dunno about kyle. he's not been on my radar. Should I be more worried about him than Scotty?

Maybe. Maybe not. Scotty would be my second choice among that group.

[Sloonei]

who is ben and should epi and I really try to get on the same page?

[Quin]

I have no idea. You could vote separately today to see if he's full of it or not, if you were both up for taking a risk.

[Sloonei]

meh. I'm sure Epi and I could end up voting the same way regardless of being compelled to or not. He's been all about colonialbob. I've paid little attention to colonialbob.

[Sloonei]

Some cursory thoughts on kyle vs scotty:

I looked at Pikachu for resistance to nutella suspicion. There wasn't any. I ISO'd Kyle and Scotty. Kyle made no mention of her whatsoever. Scotty had one foot on board the lynch train and seemed to be actively developing his reads. But I do want to point out that he also devoted a good amount of focus to smearing niju along with nutella.

Finishing that thought, I have an easier time seeing Kyle as bad than Scotty. If Scotty is bad, he's been playing a very crafty game and has not slipped up in any noticeable way for 12 days.
If Kyle is bad, he's kept a low profile and watched his teammates get taken down one after another.

[Quin]

Meh. nutella was only alive in 2.0 for a short time. I don't think Kyle looks bad for not talking about her from that alone. What did he get up to in Pikachu 2.0?

[Sloonei]

Also my participation is gonna dip again between tomorrow and wednesday, just a heads up y'all. Sorry.

[Sloonei]

Meh. nutella was only alive in 2.0 for a short time. I don't think Kyle looks bad for not talking about her from that alone. What did he get up to in Pikachu 2.0?

Very little. He spent most of the time asking what was going on. I don't necessarily think he looks bad, it's more an absence of content I feel good about. Scotty looked better imo.

[Kylemii]

@Sloonei did you really read all of this during the weekend you had full access or did you rely on the summaries they made

wut

of pikachu

[Kylemii]

oh nevermind you only had to read the first 3 pages lol

[Kylemii]

phases

[Sloonei]

I only read about 10 pages of the pikachu thread when I had my peek.