Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[Scotty]

k

vote sprityo aubergine

I think Boomslang looks fine. Cbob would be my next choice, but I don’t feel educated enough

[Kylemii]

k

vote sprityo aubergine

I think Boomslang looks fine. Cbob would be my next choice, but I don’t feel educated enough

then why are you voting for sprityo?

[S~V~S]

k

vote sprityo aubergine

I think Boomslang looks fine. Cbob would be my next choice, but I don’t feel educated enough

Can you explain why? A look through your posts doesn't do so.

[colonialbob]

Probably voting boomslang or sprit. Gotta look into stuff.

From what I've seen so far:
Boom probably not Strex (pressure targets/votes)
Ninja probably not Strex. (N1 kill)
Quin 1.0 civ. (Math)

Am I missing anything?

[Scotty]

k

vote sprityo aubergine

I think Boomslang looks fine. Cbob would be my next choice, but I don’t feel educated enough

Can you explain why? A look through your posts doesn't do so.

I think he slipped yesterday. Maybe. Otherwise it’s just s gut read.

I dunno, none of these picks are ideal, but of the ones here, I feel less good about sprityo.

I feel best about Quin and nijuu. They should not be voted for. And I still lean civ on boom

[Scotty]

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] what do you currently think of me?

[Sloonei]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

[sprityo]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

[Sloonei]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

[sprityo]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

ill let you guys figure that out. i dont have to because i know im neither

[colonialbob]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

FWIW the current "sprityo is bad" theory I think is reasonable is sprit1.0 was civ, gets killed, turns mafia on second life.

[Scotty]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

FWIW the current "sprityo is bad" theory I think is reasonable is sprit1.0 was civ, gets killed, turns mafia on second life.

Correct.

I would say sprityo is less likely Strex than he is even, since he did vote LoRab yesterday when he could have voted me.

He is only even if he became even, IMO.

[Scotty]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

Voting for Strex is only slightly credible since LoRab also voted Wilgy and Marmot. She did it slightly differently, but you must understand that until we see more evens pop up in the Pikachu 2.0 group, it’s like needles in a haystack.

I still currently think Kyle is the droids we are looking for, but you could have materialized into a 2 4 6 8

[Sloonei]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

[Scotty]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

There is no evidence to the contrary.

That’s why looking for an even not involved in Pikachu 2.0 is fruitless or pure speculation.

I mean, everyone on this poll could be civ.

Ima look closer at cbob right now, because the more I look through sprityo 2.0 with his “bastard role” being a topic he’s been wont to bring up at least twice and his voting pattern, I’m fitting a square peg into a dodecahedron hole.

[Scotty]

What is a haiku
A haiku is a poem
that can be ignored

[Scotty]

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] I’m looking through your iso of the merge, and you seem pretty indignant about refrigerator maybe being Bad on day 9 and again a few cycles later- what evidence do you see of that? Because everything I’m seeing reads the opposite.

[Sloonei]

I don't think I'd be inclined to vote for any of the people on this poll under normal circumstances. Looking at boomslang's posts, I don't really get the sense that he's bad. If cbob is bad, he has to be strex. I haven't looked into his relationships with wilgy and lorab yet.

I haven't had reason to suspect Quin, but I also haven't looked into him very much.

[Sloonei]

I may end up defaulting to Boomslang because he's the only one still on his first life.

[S~V~S]

@S~V~S what do you currently think of me?

I am rereading Day 5 in Cerberus for the 43rd time tonight. I will let you know when I am done.

After the last lynch it occurred to me that the first part of LCs second lynch, the Evens were still trying to lynch Dom. When they realized that wasn't happening, that is when they prolly went hard to lynch sig. So I am rereading it with that in mind.

I think whoever was the ringmaster of the end of the Cerb sigwagon could well be the Cerb original Even, there had to be one.

[colonialbob]

colonialbob I’m looking through your iso of the merge, and you seem pretty indignant about refrigerator maybe being Bad on day 9 and again a few cycles later- what evidence do you see of that? Because everything I’m seeing reads the opposite.

I would say I was more indignant about nobody responding to my question. I can see his targeting as mafia (psuedo-silencing SVS, protecting Kyle when he's getting attention) but it's not definitive and I don't have bad feels about Dom or Epi apart from that. Nobody else responded to it, so I've dropped it.

[Scotty]

If you’re searching for this in the future, search for “Death List”- it’s in the title.

Im just gonna try to post this once a phase until I die or the hosts put up a comparable list on the front page, cuz my memory ain’t what it used to be and it's a pain to search for this shit. I’ll do this one with only the facts as we know it:

DEATHS:

Color key:
Out of game, mafia team Evil Evens
Out of game, mafia team Strexcorp
Out of game, Civilian
Out of game, alignment unknown

D1 - Quin (no lynch) (link)
N1 - nijuu (link)
D2 - speedchuck (link)
N2 - Scotty (link)
D3 - nutella (changed from DDL) (link)
N3 - JackofHearts (link)
insertnamehere dies (link)
D4 - Long Con (link)
N4 - No kill (link)
D5 - Long Con (link)
N5 - Sig (link)
D6 - Colonialbob (link)
N6 - SVS (link)
D7 - Marmot (link)

BUTTON

N7 - JackofHearts (link)
Nutella dies (link)
D8 - Marmot (link)
N8 - Sprityo (link)
LoRab Dies (link)

MERGE

D9 - Wilgy (link)
N9 - DharmaHelper (link)
D10 - speedchuck (link)
N10 - No kill (link)
D11- Wilgy (link)
N11 - Dharma Helper (link)
D12 - sig (link)
N12 - Quin (link)
D13 - Lorab link
N13- No kill (link)

—————————————————————————

Current Lives Left (as of D14)

Boomslang - 2
colonialbob - 1
Dom - 2
Dragon D Luffy - 2
Epignosis - 2
insertnamehere - 1
Kylemii - 2
Nijuu - 1
Quin - 1
Scotty - 1
Sloonei - 2
SpaceDaisy - 2
sprityo - 1
SVS - 1

Revealed Roles

Speedchuck's role reveal during Day 7 - link
Blooper's role reveal during Day 12 - link

[nijuukyugou]

I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

[Boomslang]

Alright, Blooper and I are back from the beach. And I see some bullshit is happening with the lynch candidates, and that it involves me. Gonna take a nap, eat some food, and figure out what to do about this later tonight.

[S~V~S]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

Let me ask you a question, Sloonei (and anyone who knows Slooneis game better than I, feel free to chime in ~it's been a while since I really played with him).

Do you ALWAYS require specific evidence of a thing in addition to thread based leads? Like what evidence could there be that a person turned even after first death? This is not the first time this game you have said something of this nature, and I find it somewhat odd. I don't recall you doing so in the past, but it could well be that I am just not remembering well.

I find both sprit and Bob changed from first life, sprit more so. But I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. And when I poked sprit about it a bit, he almost hissed at me.

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

[sprityo]

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

then do it, if it looks bad to you, then vote. its that simple svs.

[Scotty]

colonialbob I’m looking through your iso of the merge, and you seem pretty indignant about refrigerator maybe being Bad on day 9 and again a few cycles later- what evidence do you see of that? Because everything I’m seeing reads the opposite.

I would say I was more indignant about nobody responding to my question. I can see his targeting as mafia (psuedo-silencing SVS, protecting Kyle when he's getting attention) but it's not definitive and I don't have bad feels about Dom or Epi apart from that. Nobody else responded to it, so I've dropped it.

I could see the refrigerator being Indie at worst, maybe mafia, but I take the role as a drunken Santa clause who raids the liquor cabinet before leaving that new PS4 under the tree— I’d wager that the fridge was targeting based on who he didn’t want to see lynched the next day, or at least to lead the lynch away from a particular person for sake of keeping the conversation going. Not necessarily a negative connotation

[Sloonei]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

Let me ask you a question, Sloonei (and anyone who knows Slooneis game better than I, feel free to chime in ~it's been a while since I really played with him).

Do you ALWAYS require specific evidence of a thing in addition to thread based leads? Like what evidence could there be that a person turned even after first death? This is not the first time this game you have said something of this nature, and I find it somewhat odd. I don't recall you doing so in the past, but it could well be that I am just not remembering well.

I find both sprit and Bob changed from first life, sprit more so. But I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. And when I poked sprit about it a bit, he almost hissed at me.

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

I like for the conversation to be as comprehensive as possible. If we're accusing sprityo of having changed alignments, or Boomslang of being Even, or anything else, I'd like for there to be substantive conversation attached, rather than baseless accusation.

It's typical of me, I think. I like to drag the thread down into painstaking monotony and make sure all possible information is clearly stated.

[Scotty]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] what was the intention of revealing that you had a bastard role in the first place? Like it literally came out of nowhere

[S~V~S]

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

then do it, if it looks bad to you, then vote. its that simple svs.

I am not saying that. I poked you and you got hostile. That is worrisome. So I mentioned it, and now you are getting hostile again. Is hostility your normal response to suspicion?

[Sloonei]

I'm not challenging claims when I do that. I'm just seeking clarity.

[S~V~S]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

Let me ask you a question, Sloonei (and anyone who knows Slooneis game better than I, feel free to chime in ~it's been a while since I really played with him).

Do you ALWAYS require specific evidence of a thing in addition to thread based leads? Like what evidence could there be that a person turned even after first death? This is not the first time this game you have said something of this nature, and I find it somewhat odd. I don't recall you doing so in the past, but it could well be that I am just not remembering well.

I find both sprit and Bob changed from first life, sprit more so. But I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. And when I poked sprit about it a bit, he almost hissed at me.

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

I like for the conversation to be as comprehensive as possible. If we're accusing sprityo of having changed alignments, or Boomslang of being Even, or anything else, I'd like for there to be substantive conversation attached, rather than baseless accusation.

It's typical of me, I think. I like to drag the thread down into painstaking monotony and make sure all possible information is clearly stated.

So what would you consider evidence of changing allegiances other than a change in gameplay? That's the best way to catch a recruit (not sure if recruitment or cults were common at RYM? They were fairly common in Goldens and Juliets Mafia background), to look for people who have changed. And there is even a signal for the start of the recruitment, first death. So someone who is different in demeanor starting at first death, would you not consider that a potential tell?

If we catch the third (and last probably) original Even, how do you propose we catch recruits?

And I am not saying I suspect him per se. I am just trying to suss things out.

[Sloonei]

What evidence is there that sprit turned even?

Let me ask you a question, Sloonei (and anyone who knows Slooneis game better than I, feel free to chime in ~it's been a while since I really played with him).

Do you ALWAYS require specific evidence of a thing in addition to thread based leads? Like what evidence could there be that a person turned even after first death? This is not the first time this game you have said something of this nature, and I find it somewhat odd. I don't recall you doing so in the past, but it could well be that I am just not remembering well.

I find both sprit and Bob changed from first life, sprit more so. But I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. And when I poked sprit about it a bit, he almost hissed at me.

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

I like for the conversation to be as comprehensive as possible. If we're accusing sprityo of having changed alignments, or Boomslang of being Even, or anything else, I'd like for there to be substantive conversation attached, rather than baseless accusation.

It's typical of me, I think. I like to drag the thread down into painstaking monotony and make sure all possible information is clearly stated.

So what would you consider evidence of changing allegiances other than a change in gameplay? That's the best way to catch a recruit (not sure if recruitment or cults were common at RYM? They were fairly common in Goldens and Juliets Mafia background), to look for people who have changed. And there is even a signal for the start of the recruitment, first death. So someone who is different in demeanor starting at first death, would you not consider that a potential tell?

If we catch the third (and last probably) original Even, how do you propose we catch recruits?

And I am not saying I suspect him per se. I am just trying to suss things out.

Recruitment was rare on RYM. I agree completely with your approach. I'm asking my questions so that the reasons for suspecting that sprit has changed alignments are out in the open for everyone to see.

[Scotty]

Here’s cbob’s only mention of LoRab, and it comes only after Epi votes her:

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

What do you think of the delay in pushing the button?

I don't care about it.

What do you think about Lorab?

No reason to townread her, but I need to go check out the context you mentioned to see what I think. I also think I'd rather lynch into Sloonei/Kyle/Scotty today.

Big ole shrug. He made this in the first half of D13, makes one more post a little bit later, and misses the crucial 6-4 vote:

Sorry everybody. 5-6 pm deadlines are really tough for me to deal with honestly. I meant to look into some cases, but didn't have the time today. Tomorrow looks busy too. Wish I was playing better this game.

I might be better off responding to specific questions vs trying to dig through isos and make all my own cases.

Someone doesn’t seem too excited that LoRab died.

[Scotty]

If cbob is Strex, that would mean either he started Strex or gained it N6. Does that sound likely? I know someone brought up the thought that Strex was completely isolated on Bidoof 1.0, but don’t remember the reasoning or even possible evidence behind that

[S~V~S]

Anyone can have gone bad after first death. I am guessing 1, possibly 2, recruits per team. As someone said, I don't recall who, this is actually a 43 person game.

Either we come up with criteria for what implies someone is a recruit, or it's a shot in the dark

[S~V~S]

Also another question to the group, I don't know, I don't recall playing with sprit bad. Does he normally respond to suspicion with hostility? Some do. I tend to think of that as a generic baddie tell, but it might be his MO.

Now I am gonna go dive back into Cerberus ugh.

[S~V~S]

Looking back on Day 5 Cerberus, I can so far totes see why Jack was NKed, he was getting in faces. I wish I had been in thread with him before he died.

This makes me so happy:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Day 5
#1153 Post by Jackofhearts2005 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:09:12 pmi

I will not chill. Straw man arguments (intentional or not) make it easy to dismiss what I’m saying because what I’m not saying sounds so silly.

I will not be silenced. I will scumread anyone who tries.

I agree with you that we should lynch suspects. We should lynch them until they are dead. We should not make selective guesses (for some players, not for others) about first roles meaning certain alignments. We should lynch suspects until they flip, which will eliminate mafia or at least learn something, unlike wishy washy first role only lynches, which do nothing to help the town.

[S~V~S]

First reaction post to LC being lynched as a baddie:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Night 5
#1192 Post by insertnamehere » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:14:00 pm
okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Um dude he was bad?

Yeah, Scotty, I still don't feel great about you. But I also revived my suspish of INH. Squeee.

I will reread post death sprit and Bob a bit later. But based on what I read in Cerberus, I would be inclined to vote Boomslang if no one I suspected of recruitment was on the poll. The fact that Boom is a low poster with various levels of suspish throughout the game yet he has not been NKed is intriguing. Plus wasn't the biggest fan of his Cerberus Day 5. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

[Scotty]

Where is DDL? Paging Doctor Drunk Lips where is u

[Scotty]

First reaction post to LC being lynched as a baddie:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Night 5
#1192 Post by insertnamehere » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:14:00 pm
okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Um dude he was bad?

Yeah, Scotty, I still don't feel great about you. But I also revived my suspish of INH. Squeee.

I will reread post death sprit and Bob a bit later. But based on what I read in Cerberus, I would be inclined to vote Boomslang if no one I suspected of recruitment was on the poll. The fact that Boom is a low poster with various levels of suspish throughout the game yet he has not been NKed is intriguing. Plus wasn't the biggest fan of his Cerberus Day 5. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

If we’re looking at pure voting records, INH has the worst of them.

Also, it’s hypocritical to bring up that quote from jack, who was also adamantly pushing for a lynch on our side during D5 to say I look suspicious as well for doing the same thing

[S~V~S]

First reaction post to LC being lynched as a baddie:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Night 5
#1192 Post by insertnamehere » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:14:00 pm
okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Um dude he was bad?

Yeah, Scotty, I still don't feel great about you. But I also revived my suspish of INH. Squeee.

I will reread post death sprit and Bob a bit later. But based on what I read in Cerberus, I would be inclined to vote Boomslang if no one I suspected of recruitment was on the poll. The fact that Boom is a low poster with various levels of suspish throughout the game yet he has not been NKed is intriguing. Plus wasn't the biggest fan of his Cerberus Day 5. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

If we’re looking at pure voting records, INH has the worst of them.

Also, it’s hypocritical to bring up that quote from jack, who was also adamantly pushing for a lynch on our side during D5 to say I look suspicious as well for doing the same thing

Not as much as you were specifically during that lynch. He said that all the time, lol. But it is possible you were just being manic.

[Quin]

sprityo 1.0 was one of the front-of-mind players for me. He stood out as a player in the game. sprityo 2.0 doesn't feel the same way. I can't tell if there's a bias because of his Cecil confirmation or because there were less people on Pikachu. I'd like the OG Pikachu tribespeople to give some thoughts on that if they have any.

[Scotty]

First reaction post to LC being lynched as a baddie:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Night 5
#1192 Post by insertnamehere » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:14:00 pm
okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Um dude he was bad?

Yeah, Scotty, I still don't feel great about you. But I also revived my suspish of INH. Squeee.

I will reread post death sprit and Bob a bit later. But based on what I read in Cerberus, I would be inclined to vote Boomslang if no one I suspected of recruitment was on the poll. The fact that Boom is a low poster with various levels of suspish throughout the game yet he has not been NKed is intriguing. Plus wasn't the biggest fan of his Cerberus Day 5. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

If we’re looking at pure voting records, INH has the worst of them.

Also, it’s hypocritical to bring up that quote from jack, who was also adamantly pushing for a lynch on our side during D5 to say I look suspicious as well for doing the same thing

Not as much as you were specifically during that lynch. He said that all the time, lol. But it is possible you were just being manic.

You know me- more manic than a squirrel in a tree fire

[S~V~S]

sprityo 1.0 was one of the front-of-mind players for me. He stood out as a player in the game. sprityo 2.0 doesn't feel the same way. I can't tell if there's a bias because of his Cecil confirmation or because there were less people on Pikachu. I'd like the OG Pikachu tribespeople to give some thoughts on that if they have any.

He kind of feels like he came back from the Pet Sematery to me, tbh. His content level changed markedly, and his reaction to fairly gentle pokes surprised me. I plan to reread him, and Bob, after dinner tonight. If I see anything specific, I will post it. But for now it's just a nag feeling.

[Epignosis]

This Day is garbage.

[S~V~S]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

[sprityo]

@sprityo what was the intention of revealing that you had a bastard role in the first place? Like it literally came out of nowhere

Because it doesn’t help the town in any way shape or form

[sprityo]

*throws hands into air* you people.

I’ll be back later when you’ve regained your clarity

You could save me the process of having to participate if you want to pursue silly avenues such as this. But that’d be a waste

This post feels like one aimed at shaming someone into backing off,it is very manipulative, and while civs can be manipulative, this doesn't feel that way.

then do it, if it looks bad to you, then vote. its that simple svs.

I am not saying that. I poked you and you got hostile. That is worrisome. So I mentioned it, and now you are getting hostile again. Is hostility your normal response to suspicion?

I’ve been a little stressed out recently. But other than that I don’t appreciate claims without solid evidence. “This says you’re bad because X”

[Sloonei]

@sprityo what was the intention of revealing that you had a bastard role in the first place? Like it literally came out of nowhere

Because it doesn’t help the town in any way shape or form

Does it help anyone to know this?