Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Scotty]

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Is it? I'm new to GTH. I thought the gun was only supposed to force you to say town or scum instead of null.

The whole premise of Gun to Head is that it is just that- assumptions you would make on people if you had a gun to your head. Not organized beforehand where you say “ok, I’m thinking I’ll maybe call him bad and him good and oh! Looks like I need to come up with a few more grease monkeys!”

Bad look

#disagree

#why

[Tangrowth]

I also don't buy the whole argument regarding what dunya said about Dom's meta; I don't really care about that. I only care about what she's saying right now in this game, and I think there's more than enough to assess there. I'm a bit wary of those who are concentrating more on what she's supposedly said about someone's meta outside the game instead. Doesn't seem important to me at all.

I think you misunderstand the point. It's not meant to be a leading reason to lynch dunya. It's meant to corroborate other suspicions of her in the future. And it's not about what she said in the discord. It's about what she said in this thread.

Dunya claims to know my meta desptie also claiming to not play with me. Therefore, someone told her my meta. Who and how? Those are important questions. She gave us answers, and for now, I'm content to sit back and see what else she does.

That's fair, thanks for explaining. I think I missed that in my quick perusal of her ISO.

Who do you want to lynch, Dom?

[Tangrowth]

At the moment I'd like to lynch Lunalee. Someone should tell me why I shouldn't or follow my lead.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Is it? I'm new to GTH. I thought the gun was only supposed to force you to say town or scum instead of null.

The whole premise of Gun to Head is that it is just that- assumptions you would make on people if you had a gun to your head. Not organized beforehand where you say “ok, I’m thinking I’ll maybe call him bad and him good and oh! Looks like I need to come up with a few more grease monkeys!”

Bad look

#disagree

#why

Cause Speedchuck has done GTH like once or twice and anyway, how is that AI?

[Turnip Head]

At the moment I'd like to lynch Lunalee. Someone should tell me why I shouldn't or follow my lead.

I haven't looked into Lunalee at all my dude

[Tangrowth]

Jay has kept casual statistics on the GTH game and, if I recall correctly, he has said that mafia-aligned players tend to be more hypersensitive to how many mafia members there are during GTH exercises than town-aligned players. I'm not sure how much stock he would put into it though in isolation, especially since speedchuck just seemed to be doing his own exercise here.

[Tangrowth]

At the moment I'd like to lynch Lunalee. Someone should tell me why I shouldn't or follow my lead.

I haven't looked into Lunalee at all my dude

She has 11 posts. Takes like 30 seconds to fully read. I just made a couple observations I think are worth discussing. Let me know what you think.

[Turnip Head]

I don't see anything.

[Scotty]

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Is it? I'm new to GTH. I thought the gun was only supposed to force you to say town or scum instead of null.

The whole premise of Gun to Head is that it is just that- assumptions you would make on people if you had a gun to your head. Not organized beforehand where you say “ok, I’m thinking I’ll maybe call him bad and him good and oh! Looks like I need to come up with a few more grease monkeys!”

Bad look

#disagree

#why

Cause Speedchuck has done GTH like once or twice and anyway, how is that AI?

I Dot know what AI means but by setting a number of potential Scum reads before the exercise promotes planning. GTH reads are supposed to be spontaneous and I know speed knows was GTH stands for, or else he would do a read list or a rainbow list. If JJJ were playing he’d be all over this.

It’s a very easy way to plan out how you want to be perceived and this way looks inorganic

[Jackofhearts2005]

Shower thought- what if EVERYONE is town? Who would you vote for?

Grinner.

[Tangrowth]

I don't see anything.

Fair enough. My beef stems from the fact that she doesn't seem to be making any effort to assess anyone other than dunya, and even that isn't entirely clear given that dunya hasn't been the sole contributor of content this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]colonialbob[/mention] not in the game. That joke will fall flat.

[Tangrowth]

I can see where Scotty is coming from with this. I'll take a look at speedchuck.

[Scotty]

Just in general I’m suspicious of someone that has a bevy of town reads and little/none/tunneling on one person reads of mafia. Luna fits the bill, but her sample size is small. I don’t know if she would have come to a better suspicion unless I pressed her on it.

[Dom]

I also don't buy the whole argument regarding what dunya said about Dom's meta; I don't really care about that. I only care about what she's saying right now in this game, and I think there's more than enough to assess there. I'm a bit wary of those who are concentrating more on what she's supposedly said about someone's meta outside the game instead. Doesn't seem important to me at all.

I think you misunderstand the point. It's not meant to be a leading reason to lynch dunya. It's meant to corroborate other suspicions of her in the future. And it's not about what she said in the discord. It's about what she said in this thread.

Dunya claims to know my meta desptie also claiming to not play with me. Therefore, someone told her my meta. Who and how? Those are important questions. She gave us answers, and for now, I'm content to sit back and see what else she does.

That's fair, thanks for explaining. I think I missed that in my quick perusal of her ISO.

Who do you want to lynch, Dom?

Sig,

see iso 4 reasons

[Scotty]

Anyway, I gotta go to work. May or may not be back before EoD. Godspeed gents. I could very well move to speed or stay on Epi.

[Tangrowth]

I am rather intrigued by your style of defense. It's unique. Hard to describe. I must dwell.

Try not to think of it as defence. I'm not saying any of it to save myself but to give you perspective on my posts.

I'm fine being lynched today, but it won't get the town anywhere. However, I could still win the game and notch a victory on the meta-belt.

Or you could leave me around and I could help solve the game.

OMG, the final nail in the Golden is town coffin.

Dude, we're both town. Let's do this.

I agreed with your Golden posts until this one.

Cmon, dude. That's the thing literally everyone says under pressure.

Oh look, a post for me to respond to that I haven't yet. My bad. (Guess I should catch up properly at some point, yeah?)

Fair point, but how much pressure was Golden under when he said it? Hardly anything noteworthy. In my experience, Golden is much more hypersensitive to pressure when town.

I know that's meta, but that's that.

[Golden]

I'm done talking with Dom, unless he brings up actual points against me or has something relevant to say about another player. We're getting nowhere talking and, at least in my mind, he has no interest in actually engaging me.

@Sloonei I'm voting there for mainly three reasons.
Nova's been present and posted, but hasn't really said much of anything.
Looking over some games mafia!Nova lurks like they're doing now. I'd add a slightly caveat by saying civ Nova does this also, but it seems to be to a lesser degree.
I don't like the main wagons and would prefer we lynch here or find someone else.

Fine. take your toys home. Maybe that'll show Dom for being so childish.





I wanted to know what you meant, specifically in the first post quoted. You declined to specify. I decline to care. I decline to give you the benefit of the doubt. Dismissing your critics as haters is not going to get you anywhere and something I'd expect a baddie to do.

I still like sigs content generally, but in the sig/dom exchange I feel as though dom comes out looking significantly better. I think doms point was clear and I think sig has played dom rather than his point. Knowing that dom can be lured into emotional reactions, I think sig could be playing into that, and dom has come out the other side looking decent to me.

Also with dom I don’t confuse snark and being bad. Example - he was snarky with LCafter catching him in GoC. Snarky isn’t inherently negative, it’s part of how dom holds feet to the fire.

[Tangrowth]

Just in general I’m suspicious of someone that has a bevy of town reads and little/none/tunneling on one person reads of mafia. Luna fits the bill, but her sample size is small. I don’t know if she would have come to a better suspicion unless I pressed her on it.

I'm with you there.

[Tangrowth]

I also don't buy the whole argument regarding what dunya said about Dom's meta; I don't really care about that. I only care about what she's saying right now in this game, and I think there's more than enough to assess there. I'm a bit wary of those who are concentrating more on what she's supposedly said about someone's meta outside the game instead. Doesn't seem important to me at all.

I think you misunderstand the point. It's not meant to be a leading reason to lynch dunya. It's meant to corroborate other suspicions of her in the future. And it's not about what she said in the discord. It's about what she said in this thread.

Dunya claims to know my meta desptie also claiming to not play with me. Therefore, someone told her my meta. Who and how? Those are important questions. She gave us answers, and for now, I'm content to sit back and see what else she does.

That's fair, thanks for explaining. I think I missed that in my quick perusal of her ISO.

Who do you want to lynch, Dom?

Sig,

see iso 4 reasons

Duly noted, thanks. I'll check that out next.

[Lunalee]

Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.

Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

[Tangrowth]

Ehhhhhh, I'm not keen on lynching speedchuck. Still GTH town I think. Honestly of all the Epi voters I would assess speed as the most genuine; I'd rather not lynch him. Not sure what you're seeing there, Scotty.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jay has kept casual statistics on the GTH game and, if I recall correctly, he has said that mafia-aligned players tend to be more hypersensitive to how many mafia members there are during GTH exercises than town-aligned players. I'm not sure how much stock he would put into it though in isolation, especially since speedchuck just seemed to be doing his own exercise here.

That idea has an expiration date of Jay calling it to our attention.

[Tangrowth]

Hmmm... I'm not sure I'm digging what Lunalee is throwing down.

Lunalee, why is dunya genuine exactly? You keep emphasizing that ad nauseum, but Golden, Mac, and I have put as much into the thread as she has, and at some point you even said you didn't buy what I was saying. Explain.

I'm moving my vote there now until I get a response upon which I can reassess.

Dunya has posted a lot. And of what I've read, I see nothing that makes me think she's not legit trying to find baddies.

Golden, Mac, and yourself have put effort into the thread, but I mean, Golden kind of agrees with me:

And am I finding MP shady as shit? I probably wouldn't go quite that far... but he's jumping out of his skin to make reads that aren't there, so certainly suspectable.

This doesn't answer my question, sorry.

Let me explain:

As of this moment, Golden is the top poster with 142 posts. I have 120. dunya has 87. Scotty has 86. Sloonei has 77. Mac has 76. You get the idea. dunya is not a sole beacon of effort this game.

Consequently, your read that dunya's effort is leading you to a solid town read of her is confusing to me, especially when you're apparently reading me as shady. Why am I shady? Why don't you have town reads of anyone else in that list?

[Tangrowth]

Jay has kept casual statistics on the GTH game and, if I recall correctly, he has said that mafia-aligned players tend to be more hypersensitive to how many mafia members there are during GTH exercises than town-aligned players. I'm not sure how much stock he would put into it though in isolation, especially since speedchuck just seemed to be doing his own exercise here.

That idea has an expiration date of Jay calling it to our attention.

True, that's a good point, though not everyone necessarily would have been aware of it unless they were there.

[Golden]

every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Nope. Don't believe this.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

There is a consistent theme of dunya suspicion in LC's post history, but this is where he placed his vote. This is my least favorite point I've seen brought against dunya in the game, so I'm not crazy about it being the apparent straw that broke the camel's back for LC. He made a more substantial point against her here:

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

This post strengthens my suspicion of dunya. Votes for pressure don't have a lot of teeth when you explain them away as harmless prodders.

I do the same thing sometimes... because I'm bad.

Me too. I think maybe it was the original Phenon when I was doing that, and I got called out correctly for it. That's precisely why I am sensitive to it now.

But I don't necessarily agree that that is suspicious. Dunya announced her vote as a pressure vote well after the fact, and being open about pressure voting on Day 1 was fairly standard on RYM, where dunya comes from.

For someone to think I’m bad in this game they have to believe...

You turn out bad and you'll never be able to say this phrase again. I'll be watching.

This post feels like it could be indirectly setting up a tinfoil case against Golden, and I don't love that.

I'd like to reads from LC on players not called dunya.

Not good. Enough that I’m considering an LC vote right now actually. But then in GoC he played a very townie-looking game early.

[Tangrowth]

I'll check out this Dom/sig thing now, but I still sort of want to lynch Lunalee. Other input would be welcome.

[Kylemii]

alright 1.5 hours left, i just got home

plz summarize the last 7 pages for me?

[Golden]

Luna, MP is my strongest town read, just to be clear. I think what you are seeing is misreading behaviour that is objectively suspicious but from MP is strongly town-leaning.

[Golden]

I'll check out this Dom/sig thing now, but I still sort of want to lynch Lunalee. Other input would be welcome.

Are you being overly sensitive to taking suspicion?

[Tangrowth]

I'll check out this Dom/sig thing now, but I still sort of want to lynch Lunalee. Other input would be welcome.

Are you being overly sensitive to taking suspicion?

No, read what I've said.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ll tell you what Speedchuck’s real alignment is on Day 6.

[Tangrowth]

I don't care that Luna suspects me. What bothers me is that she seems to be not honestly assessing anyone. I can't get any feel for how she is coming to any of her reads.

[Tangrowth]

Luna, MP is my strongest town read, just to be clear. I think what you are seeing is misreading behaviour that is objectively suspicious but from MP is strongly town-leaning.

Also, objectively suspicious isn't a thing.

[Golden]

I'll check out this Dom/sig thing now, but I still sort of want to lynch Lunalee. Other input would be welcome.

Are you being overly sensitive to taking suspicion?

No, read what I've said.

I'm catching up.

Not that I'm interested in voting for anyone I haven't played with before, so this is just to assess your perspective rather than to join you.

In the mean time, I think others should assess LC. I might just put my vote there for now.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[Golden]

Luna, MP is my strongest town read, just to be clear. I think what you are seeing is misreading behaviour that is objectively suspicious but from MP is strongly town-leaning.

Also, objectively suspicious isn't a thing.

Objectively suspicious is absolutely a thing. It just doesn't correlate to alignment in any meaningful way.

[Long Con]

Hey Golden don't vote for me.

[Tangrowth]

Having read the Dom/sig exchange out of context, I'm currently feeling the following likelihoods of alignment (from most to least likely):
1. town/town
2. Dom is town, sig is mafia






3. mafia/mafia (very unlikely)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't care that Luna suspects me. What bothers me is that she seems to be not honestly assessing anyone. I can't get any feel for how she is coming to any of her reads.

Felt the same in Image mafia but she was town.

[Tangrowth]

Oh, I forgot option 4 (Dom is mafia, sig is town). Yeah, that's unlikely as well.

[Tangrowth]

I'll take a look at LC, thanks.

[Dom]

I’ll tell you what Speedchuck’s real alignment is on Day 6.

but we have to lynch colonialbob that day

[Golden]

Sloppy -> Scumtell
Random voting -> Scumtell

Anyway, I always work the evening shift so expect low to zero participation from 14:00 to 24:00
It's possible I could scrabble some posts here and there but my participation in this game will be from low to low-average.
It's a blast we get to play again together guys. Thank you Jay.

It's been a long time since I played a game with choutas, but I struggle to see how he can label "random voting" as a scumtell. Choutas is another player who has been predominantly focused on one suspect (Golden), and I don't agree with his reasoning at all. @Choutas give me other reads.

His reasoning was extremely poor. But it reminded me of Frog that scrimmage game he played here, where he thought you could catch scum by formula. Have you played much with him? I'm not sure whether I should take it as sincere.

[Long Con]

Eye me all you want

[Dom]

Oh, I forgot option 4 (Dom is mafia, sig is town). Yeah, that's unlikely as well.

P(event)=0

[Golden]

Oh, I forgot option 4 (Dom is mafia, sig is town). Yeah, that's unlikely as well.

I agree with your rankings of the four.

[Tangrowth]

I don't care that Luna suspects me. What bothers me is that she seems to be not honestly assessing anyone. I can't get any feel for how she is coming to any of her reads.

Felt the same in Image mafia but she was town.

Duly noted. I've only played a few Burglaries with her and it's hard to get a feel for meta in those types of things. She did seem rather casual and "green" in them. Off the top of my head I don't think she was bad in any of them either.

[Dom]

Eye me all you want

I M P O S T E R !

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ll tell you what Speedchuck’s real alignment is on Day 6.

but we have to lynch colonialbob that day

[Tangrowth]

Hmmm... I don't know. I don't see mustache-twirling cunning Long Con. I'm not sure what I see though, other than a player who has hardly made any visible attempt to assess anyone other than dunya, and that on its own is a bit troubling but I'm not sold on him being bad by any means. What specifically is your beef with him, Golden?