Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Turnip Head]

Hey speedchuck, what are your reads?

Turnip Head, what you got?

I need a buddy to tag team with in the thread because most of my friends are already dead.

Help me obi wan

[Tangrowth]

Hey speedchuck, what are your reads?

Turnip Head, what you got?

I need a buddy to tag team with in the thread because most of my friends are already dead.

Help me obi wan

Just as long as you promise you're not nefariously buddying me, sure.

You don't even have to give me a full reads list, but I'm curious what you got. Give me your best. Which players should we be looking at right now?

[Tangrowth]

In other news, think I may have been wrong about Marmot. I don't know. I can't read this guy. Congrats, Marmot. You win the game of meta.

[colonialbob]

Take a step back and ask yourself:

If we’re at endgame with TH, jack, Quin and Kyle, how comfortable do we feel as a collective town?

Look, I’m all for the funny gifs every now and then. But if your thesis is due for your master’s program in a week, and you spend the week watching funny cat videos, you might as well apply for a cashier position at McDonalds

Why these four?

[Tangrowth]

Hey cbob, I think you're town. Let's work together. Who should I be looking at? Anyone I should ISO first?

[Turnip Head]

I've got lots of townies in my pocket Alex. I have absolutely no read on Quin. Wanna start there?

[speedchuck]

Strong town reads:
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Choutas
dunya
Kylemii
Kites / Quin
Turnip Head


IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy


Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

[Tangrowth]

I've got lots of townies in my pocket Alex. I have absolutely no read on Quin. Wanna start there?

Sure, I don't really have any read on him either... which is weird considering he usually towns it up or fake towns it up in my recollection. A disengaged Quin seems out of character either way.

[speedchuck]

I've got lots of townies in my pocket Alex. I have absolutely no read on Quin. Wanna start there?

Sure, I don't really have any read on him either... which is weird considering he usually towns it up or fake towns it up in my recollection. A disengaged Quin seems out of character either way.

(There are 2 people in this game that DO NOT have an alignment yet)

(my picks for this are Quin and TH)

[Tangrowth]

Strong town reads:
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Choutas
dunya
Kylemii
Kites / Quin
Turnip Head


IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy


Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

Care to elaborate on the bolded/underlined? It can be brief.

[Tangrowth]

I've got lots of townies in my pocket Alex. I have absolutely no read on Quin. Wanna start there?

Sure, I don't really have any read on him either... which is weird considering he usually towns it up or fake towns it up in my recollection. A disengaged Quin seems out of character either way.

(There are 2 people in this game that DO NOT have an alignment yet)

(my picks for this are Quin and TH)

Oh I guess that partially answers my question about your Quin read.

[Tangrowth]

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

[Scotty]

Take a step back and ask yourself:

If we’re at endgame with TH, jack, Quin and Kyle, how comfortable do we feel as a collective town?

Look, I’m all for the funny gifs every now and then. But if your thesis is due for your master’s program in a week, and you spend the week watching funny cat videos, you might as well apply for a cashier position at McDonalds

Why these four?

I dont currently suspect Marmot, who would also fit in there.

Those are the ones that go to my head when I think of the IDGaF party. Am I missing some?

[Tangrowth]

Scotty, I think you're going after low-hanging fruit. That looks bad on you.

[Tangrowth]

That said, I'm not about to defend all of the IDGAF crowd. I just think it's dangerous to lump players together in groups. We should be trying whatever we possibly can to determine alignments individually -- and despite their uncontentional playstyle, there are ways to develop nuanced reads on the IDGAF people.

[speedchuck]

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

I mean I guess that's a good point. But it would also be in their interests to seem town. Which is easier?

...

Yeah okay that's a really good point.

[Scotty]

Strong town reads:
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Choutas
dunya
Kylemii
Kites / Quin
Turnip Head


IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy


Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

I wholeheartedly disagree with your low scum reads.
I keep feeling like you’re bad, that you’re not playing like you were as town in GoC. I can’t put my finger on it.

You look great around your Colin interaction, but I figure that at least a few mafia distanced themselves.

I wanna catch you, but all I got right now is that you’re just “off” and it’s frustrating me

[Tangrowth]

By the way, it's sort of funny they killed Golden now because I was just FINALLY starting to have like 1-2% doubt in the back of my mind that it might be Economics Golden pocketing me again. Almost went a full game together without suspecting you literally at all, Golden. Almost.

[dunya]

RIP Golden. Thanks for believing me. glad we played together and excited for the next game!

[Tangrowth]

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

I mean I guess that's a good point. But it would also be in their interests to seem town. Which is easier?

...

Yeah okay that's a really good point.

I'm just saying that in a game with this setup with an independent faction of 3, it might be easier for a mafia player to fake being a disengaged independent than a supatown or something.

[Scotty]

Scotty, I think you're going after low-hanging fruit. That looks bad on you.

What’s low hanging fruit, Sock? I’m legitimatly curious.

[Tangrowth]

dunya, let's work together too. What are your updated reads?

I technically never caught up from all the d4 stuff, but whatever, I'll get all the context I need if I don't have it already. I'm overdue for some ISOs. I'll see what I can do when I'm not multitasking.

[speedchuck]

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

I mean I guess that's a good point. But it would also be in their interests to seem town. Which is easier?

...

Yeah okay that's a really good point.

I'm just saying that in a game with this setup with an independent faction of 3, it might be easier for a mafia player to fake being a disengaged independent than a supatown or something.

Yes that is what you said.

I am in the middle of answering your earlier query BTW

[Tangrowth]

Scotty, I think you're going after low-hanging fruit. That looks bad on you.

What’s low hanging fruit, Sock? I’m legitimatly curious.

IDGAF people, generally speaking. It'd be easy to justify going after them as a group at this stage based on the argument you're proposing.

[Tangrowth]

Wouldn't it be in a mafiaoso's interest though to seem like an independent?

I mean I guess that's a good point. But it would also be in their interests to seem town. Which is easier?

...

Yeah okay that's a really good point.

I'm just saying that in a game with this setup with an independent faction of 3, it might be easier for a mafia player to fake being a disengaged independent than a supatown or something.

Yes that is what you said.

I am in the middle of answering your earlier query BTW

Sorry, I realize I just reworded what I originally said and didn't really add anything. I shouldn't be multitasking.

Cool, thanks.

[speedchuck]

Strong town reads:
speedchuck
Marmot
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Choutas
dunya
Kylemii
Kites / Quin
Turnip Head


IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy


Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

I wholeheartedly disagree with your low scum reads.
I keep feeling like you’re bad, that you’re not playing like you were as town in GoC. I can’t put my finger on it.

You look great around your Colin interaction, but I figure that at least a few mafia distanced themselves.

I wanna catch you, but all I got right now is that you’re just “off” and it’s frustrating me

I'm not. I'm more burnt out, and I've been dealing with a RL thing. Not a BAD RL thing, but it's been distracting.

Feel free to pursue me though. I play better under pressure.

[Tangrowth]

speedchuck, you're bad.

[Tangrowth]

PRESSURE

[Scotty]

Scotty, I think you're going after low-hanging fruit. That looks bad on you.

What’s low hanging fruit, Sock? I’m legitimatly curious.

IDGAF people, generally speaking. It'd be easy to justify going after them as a group at this stage based on the argument you're proposing.

I think it’s foolish to assume they are low hanging fruit. And if that’s what you think they are, then they’re winning.

If they never want to change their play style and help solve this game, they should be disposed of because by default they are not town friendly.

You get what I’m saying? Even right now, you’re dismissing them because ‘they’re the easy option’. I think it’s a ruse that has been shown can get them father in the game, and I don’t think they are well intentioned. There is no prudence in chaos

[dunya]

Interesting. Last time I saw myself mentioned by you, it was a scum read in your rainbow list iirc. What's changed? You haven't exactly engaged me in any meaningful way. I have no idea what you think of me in fact.

You seem like you're genuinely hunting instead of just trying to get past D1 before paris-ing. Plus you are getting into this game emotionally. Hard to imagine you faking that.

But I've never played with scumnya

Did not understand the underlined part.

I am always emotional in mafia, whichever side I play on tbh. I give it all my effort and when I feel like I haven't been giving it all my effort, that upsets me.

I don't like how waffly you are tbh; it's already day 5 and i feel youve gone this long without having strong stances in the game yet. Like, you're not very memorable for someone with as many posts as you have. It's similar to FE scum speedchuck I think. I followed that game closely after you replaced me...I know what I'm talking about.

[Scotty]

Also, Mp, you’re a firm town read for me. The one candle in the dark right now. I need you on my side.

And not “pocketing” or “buddying” like some pack of cigarettes

[dunya]

Linki: burnout, huh?

[Scotty]

Interesting. Last time I saw myself mentioned by you, it was a scum read in your rainbow list iirc. What's changed? You haven't exactly engaged me in any meaningful way. I have no idea what you think of me in fact.

You seem like you're genuinely hunting instead of just trying to get past D1 before paris-ing. Plus you are getting into this game emotionally. Hard to imagine you faking that.

But I've never played with scumnya

Did not understand the underlined part.

I am always emotional in mafia, whichever side I play on tbh. I give it all my effort and when I feel like I haven't been giving it all my effort, that upsets me.

I don't like how waffly you are tbh; it's already day 5 and i feel youve gone this long without having strong stances in the game yet. Like, you're not very memorable for someone with as many posts as you have. It's similar to FE scum speedchuck I think. I followed that game closely after you replaced me...I know what I'm talking about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I need to process this.
Who are the jokesters? Scotty?

No clue

[speedchuck]

Strong town reads:
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Kites / Quin - already answered

IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob

Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

Care to elaborate on the bolded/underlined? It can be brief.

Sure. I'll start with the scumreads.

MP - I was feeling mostly fine, with you at the bottom of my top towny mass poster list, until just now. Didn't like the sudden flip on Marmot for no reason just then. Also every mass poster this game is dead but you now.
I don't know if that second point matters that much, but it's an observation.

Scotty - I've been pushing the IDGAF crowd to do stuff for days, so I get it. But I doubt all of the scum are in there. And given the unaligned 3P crowd, we are MUCH closer to LYLO than most people realize. If the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, Scotty is buying a one-way ticket to a scum win.
Like I said, I agree with the move. It's the timing that gives me the willies.

JOH - Jack has been playing both the IDGAF crowd and the hunting crowd, and hasn't really been doing either. It's disconcerting. I feel like his scumreads are consistent (I would, especially), but he's not actually chasing them. Jack hasn't been playing lax enough to feel unaligned, but he doesn't seem to care to hunt either. He's just whatever people expect him to be in the moment. Or that's how I read him.

linki: oy vey pressure

[dunya]

Ignoring like 5 players who fall into hard to read category for various reasons (TH, JOH, Quin, Kylemii and maybe SD) is not the best course of action.

They need to all be analyzed. I don't care if they're team IDGAF or not. No one gets a free pass on day 5.

[Scotty]

I need to process this.
Who are the jokesters? Scotty?

No clue

[Scotty]

...If the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, Scotty is buying a one-way ticket to a scum win...

No, if the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, all the townies are fucked

[speedchuck]

Interesting. Last time I saw myself mentioned by you, it was a scum read in your rainbow list iirc. What's changed? You haven't exactly engaged me in any meaningful way. I have no idea what you think of me in fact.

You seem like you're genuinely hunting instead of just trying to get past D1 before paris-ing. Plus you are getting into this game emotionally. Hard to imagine you faking that.

But I've never played with scumnya

Did not understand the underlined part.

I am always emotional in mafia, whichever side I play on tbh. I give it all my effort and when I feel like I haven't been giving it all my effort, that upsets me.

I don't like how waffly you are tbh; it's already day 5 and i feel youve gone this long without having strong stances in the game yet. Like, you're not very memorable for someone with as many posts as you have. It's similar to FE scum speedchuck I think. I followed that game closely after you replaced me...I know what I'm talking about.

"Oh look, someone suspects the same person as me, but for actual reasons. I'm going to latch onto that."

[Tangrowth]

Scotty, I think you're going after low-hanging fruit. That looks bad on you.

What’s low hanging fruit, Sock? I’m legitimatly curious.

IDGAF people, generally speaking. It'd be easy to justify going after them as a group at this stage based on the argument you're proposing.

I think it’s foolish to assume they are low hanging fruit. And if that’s what you think they are, then they’re winning.

If they never want to change their play style and help solve this game, they should be disposed of because by default they are not town friendly.

You get what I’m saying? Even right now, you’re dismissing them because ‘they’re the easy option’. I think it’s a ruse that has been shown can get them father in the game, and I don’t think they are well intentioned. There is no prudence in chaos

I do get what you're saying, and I don't even entirely disagree, but I've gotten burned by this too many times in the past. I'm not saying "give them a free pass", because that's absurd and is going to lose us the game. But we should try to fairly discern everyone's alignment regardless of how unconventionally they are playing.

[dunya]

I've already townread TH and SD. I'll look into the rest.

[speedchuck]

...If the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, Scotty is buying a one-way ticket to a scum win...

No, if the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, all the townies are fucked

Not if we (and they) play our cards right.

I agree that we need to not give them a free pass. But we should have started weeding yesterday instead of last-minute lynching Luna for no reason.

[Tangrowth]

Strong town reads:
Sloonei
novaselinenever
wolbre04

IDK guess they might be good or 3P:
Kites / Quin - already answered

IDK what to do with these yet and need to reread some
lapluie / colonialbob

Givin me the willies at the moment:
M Plus 7
Scotty
Jackofhearts2005

Care to elaborate on the bolded/underlined? It can be brief.

Sure. I'll start with the scumreads.

MP - I was feeling mostly fine, with you at the bottom of my top towny mass poster list, until just now. Didn't like the sudden flip on Marmot for no reason just then. Also every mass poster this game is dead but you now.
I don't know if that second point matters that much, but it's an observation.

Scotty - I've been pushing the IDGAF crowd to do stuff for days, so I get it. But I doubt all of the scum are in there. And given the unaligned 3P crowd, we are MUCH closer to LYLO than most people realize. If the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, Scotty is buying a one-way ticket to a scum win.
Like I said, I agree with the move. It's the timing that gives me the willies.

JOH - Jack has been playing both the IDGAF crowd and the hunting crowd, and hasn't really been doing either. It's disconcerting. I feel like his scumreads are consistent (I would, especially), but he's not actually chasing them. Jack hasn't been playing lax enough to feel unaligned, but he doesn't seem to care to hunt either. He's just whatever people expect him to be in the moment. Or that's how I read him.

linki: oy vey pressure

I don't understand what there isn't to like about a flip on someone if I feel it's warranted, and the second statement is such a huge case of WIFOM I can't bear to stand it. But let's be honest. Would you kill me this game? I wouldn't kill me. I haven't exactly played well. That's all I'll say about that.

Thanks for elaborating otherwise though.

[Scotty]

Dammit I wish I had died and let Mac’s or Dom’s hunting skills go further.

The last 3 kills have been yawningly obvious top town reads. We’re being killed by not having contributors. This is where I am supposed to step it up but I told myself not to get too involved. I might not have a choice if I wanna win this shit

[Tangrowth]

...If the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, Scotty is buying a one-way ticket to a scum win...

No, if the IDGAF crowd is mostly townies, all the townies are fucked

Not if we (and they) play our cards right.

I agree that we need to not give them a free pass. But we should have started weeding yesterday instead of last-minute lynching Luna for no reason.

I understand what you're trying to say, but let me be clear: It wasn't for no reason. Her interactions with Colin were meh, and her read progression was near non-existent.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Take a step back and ask yourself:

If we’re at endgame with TH, jack, Quin and Kyle, how comfortable do we feel as a collective town?

Look, I’m all for the funny gifs every now and then. But if your thesis is due for your master’s program in a week, and you spend the week watching funny cat videos, you might as well apply for a cashier position at McDonalds

Yeeeeeah.

So you wanna lynch shitposters or baddies?

[Tangrowth]

And yeah, the baddie team are cowards for the last few kills. All yawn boring burgers.

[Tangrowth]

Jack, what are your reads, my man? Give me the goods.

[Tangrowth]

dunya, what's your updated reads list? In passing I noticed you did some analysis yesterday. Maybe I should go take a look at that.

[dunya]

dunya, what's your updated reads list? In passing I noticed you did some analysis yesterday. Maybe I should go take a look at that.

I think you can make out where I stand currently.

I have more isos to do. It's 1.30am and I slept at 6am yesterday and woke up at 9am so I'm gonna go sleep now. It's my mom's birthday tomorrow (today) too, but I'll be around and do what I can with more promised isos.

Sorry I'm behind but when I have time I find engaging in real time is more useful atm.