Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Scotty]

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

[speedchuck]

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

[Scotty]

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

Who are the 3 indies in your opinion?

[speedchuck]

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

Who are the 3 indies in your opinion?

Well, I was just checking the role list. New development. Technically, there's only one indy left. Choutas or Quin are not bad picks for it. Though Quin's not a bad pick for scum either.

JoH is possibly the indy that just picked, since he's getting all into the game now. Since he already picked and I'm not dead... it's more likely he picked town. Because he wouldn't pick scum after convincing himself that I am scum and pushing so hard for my lynch.
Lowers the odds that he's scum, given the way that the timing lines up.

The other 3P picked an alignment on N2 I think. Right after the Colin lynch. That would lead me to think they picked town as well. It was also so early that they probably haven't been playing like a typical 3P. They have been town (or technically mafia) for a while now. If it's town, they're probably Nova, Kylemii... Sloonei picked up a lot after D2 as well. Cbob is also an option.
If they're scum... then it's just another scumster, hunted normally.
Really this 3P could be most anyone I guess. The only candidates that played too hard for one side on D1 or D2 are dead by now.

Hard to narrow it down. Maybe Quin, Jack, Sloonei?

[Sloonei]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

[speedchuck]

So yeah, if Jack is 3P, he's picked an alignment now. Which aligns with his play and makes me less likely to consider him as a scum pretender.

Don't really want to lynch Nova though.

[Scotty]

So yeah, if Jack is 3P, he's picked an alignment now. Which aligns with his play and makes me less likely to consider him as a scum pretender.

Don't really want to lynch Nova though.

Yeah, I’ve read that pattern throughout your iso.

Remind me again why you aren’t even entertaining it, because it’s sounding more like a broken music box

[Sloonei]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine for now.

I will totally vote Nova to save myself. I'm not THAT confident in my townreads. :P

linki: I had a hard Nova townread on D1, and since then, the only suspicion I've noted against him has been "Oh, you defended/pursued the wrong people" which is like, the easiest way to frame someone because townies don't know what they are doing.

But I've been skimming. What's up?

[speedchuck]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

[Sloonei]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

[Tangrowth]

Speed, you also keep calling me a scum read for a while now. I have no idea why you’re doing that. You cited, to my recollection, one reason prior to “twisting” your words today, and that was for my change in opinion of Marmot. You did not elaborate on how that makes me bad.

Your reads are the opposite of transparent; please elaborate more.

You went from "I have a solid reason why Marmot is meta good, and I cannot see him being bad" to "Okay, maybe Marmot is bad" in like, 2 hours. He didn't even do anything.

It's off. THAT read is the opposite of transparent.
And then you're basically forcing me into defense mode today, which is all fun and good until you complain about it. I've harped on this over and over again. Don't send a person into the leading lynch train and then complain when they defend themselves. Human psychology doesn't work like that.

If you aren't sure what's inspiring a read of mine, just ask. I can explain it. I can't recall exactly which two posts to which you're referring, but I've been torn on Marmot all game and continuously been considering various factors. There was one post he made in particular that pinged me strong and made me think he was bad, but then I walked back from it realizing I was probably overreacting. Not sure if that's what you're referencing or not.

And the best defense to convince anyone you're town is to hunt, not to defend yourself.

[Tangrowth]

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

Why do you think Quin is bad?

[Tangrowth]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

[Tangrowth]

speed, what do you think of Sloonei?

[speedchuck]

Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

[Tangrowth]

Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

Well, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I don't have a reason to scum read him either really, but here we are.

[Sloonei]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

[Tangrowth]

I want to make it clear I'm listening to and considering what you're saying, speed. I want to avoid a mislynch as much as the next townie. I'm thinking it over.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

I thought your theory was that I would change based on how you flip. Now I’ve changed based on a changed alignment of a 3P that hadn’t happened yet?

None of this does anything but underline that your’re more concerned with 3P than scum, which is a good portion of my arguement against you.

[Tangrowth]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?

[Tangrowth]

Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.

[speedchuck]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

I thought your theory was that I would change based on how you flip. Now I’ve changed based on a changed alignment of a 3P that hadn’t happened yet?

None of this does anything but underline that your’re more concerned with 3P than scum, which is a good portion of my arguement against you.

That WAS my theory. The theory has changed thanks to new info from the OP. New theory makes more sense with your're playstyle and POV.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.

Gut/tone.

[Sloonei]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?

Interrogations like this one here, your passion when you came into the thread to change the course of our lynch yesterday, your general thread presence. You’re dangling your town parts in the thread every time you wander in and challenging people with them.

[Tangrowth]

Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.

Gut/tone.

Got it, thanks. Any post(s) in particular that are inspiring that reaction, or just a general perception?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

I thought your theory was that I would change based on how you flip. Now I’ve changed based on a changed alignment of a 3P that hadn’t happened yet?

None of this does anything but underline that your’re more concerned with 3P than scum, which is a good portion of my arguement against you.

That WAS my theory. The theory has changed thanks to new info from the OP. New theory makes more sense with your're playstyle and POV.

Okay great. My theory is the same. You care more about if I’m 3P and if so, what I will do with that than you care about finding baddies. Cause you know where the baddies are. Cause you’re bad.

[Tangrowth]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?

Interrogations like this one here, your passion when you came into the thread to change the course of our lynch yesterday, your general thread presence. You’re dangling your town parts in the thread every time you wander in and challenging people with them.

You're god damn right.

But seriously, thanks for elaborating.

What is your current reads list?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.

Gut/tone.

Got it, thanks. Any post(s) in particular that are inspiring that reaction, or just a general perception?

General perception. I haven’t paid Sloonei much attention lately.

[speedchuck]

Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

Well, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I don't have a reason to scum read him either really, but here we are.

I guess it's more of a meta-read then.

He's not even in the IDGAF crowd. He's just invisible. I try to pay attention to the flow of the game, and the way people are playing it, over 'scumtells.' That's where my 3P read on Jack comes from. Quin is just playing invisible, and that's something I'd expect from scum, and definitely not from town Quin.

That's why your 'flow' irked me in the moment when you jerked the Marmot rug out from under me right after explaining why he was metatown. Most of your other content has been decent.

That's how I read nowadays. I don't have time to play like I did in Phenon a year ago.

[Scotty]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

[Tangrowth]

Why do you think Quin is bad?

Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

Well, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I don't have a reason to scum read him either really, but here we are.

I guess it's more of a meta-read then.

He's not even in the IDGAF crowd. He's just invisible. I try to pay attention to the flow of the game, and the way people are playing it, over 'scumtells.' That's where my 3P read on Jack comes from. Quin is just playing invisible, and that's something I'd expect from scum, and definitely not from town Quin.

That's why your 'flow' irked me in the moment when you jerked the Marmot rug out from under me right after explaining why he was metatown. Most of your other content has been decent.

That's how I read nowadays. I don't have time to play like I did in Phenon a year ago.

Got it, thanks.

[Tangrowth]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

That is some heavy tinfoil there. I guess possible though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

If that’s your tinfoil take, what’s your non tinfoil take?

[speedchuck]

Okay great. My theory is the same. You care more about if I’m 3P and if so, what I will do with that than you care about finding baddies. Cause you know where the baddies are. Cause you’re bad.

The 3P players are equal in number to the scum players, and are the difference right now as to whether we are about to lose horribly or are POEing down to victory among friends. They also explain, in my opinion, a lot about the flow in the thread. I can't ignore them.

And because I've been focused on you, trying to ascertain your alignment, you think I'm overly focused on 3Ps. (and also because I was asked about them.)

[Sloonei]

I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?

Interrogations like this one here, your passion when you came into the thread to change the course of our lynch yesterday, your general thread presence. You’re dangling your town parts in the thread every time you wander in and challenging people with them.

You're god damn right.

But seriously, thanks for elaborating.

What is your current reads list?

Exactly the same as it was when I posted my rainbow after Day 4. I’ve been totally absent from this day phase until this morning.

At a quick glance I like the direction of the speedchuck case, but I’m not clear on all the specifics of it. I am waiting for him to answer my most recent question.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Don’t get me wrong, I love that tinfoil. It’s wrong but it’s the kinda thing I would do.

[Scotty]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

If that’s your tinfoil take, what’s your non tinfoil take?

My polenta exploded all over my microwave

Always use tin-foil, boys and girls

[speedchuck]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

See, this is how players should be thinking.

It's wrong, but it at least considers game mechanics.

linki: oh good Jack confirmed.

[speedchuck]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem?

It's a solution.

[speedchuck]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

Also, if the leader of Athens died, someone would take over the anon communication seamlessly. It says in the leader's post that he communicates through the host.

[Tangrowth]

I'll switch to nova for now. I'd like to see what he has to say.

[VOTE: NOVA] aubergine

I'll be back well in time for the deadline.

[Sloonei]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem?

It's a solution.

I was under the impression that you’ve been pushing him as a suspect. Was that a mistake on my part. I see you are voting for quin now, and you said you could vote for nova out of self-preservation. Who’s your real top suspect?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem?

It's a solution.

I was under the impression that you’ve been pushing him as a suspect. Was that a mistake on my part. I see you are voting for quin now, and you said you could vote for nova out of self-preservation. Who’s your real top suspect?

It’s easy to get that impression because he’s been voting for me and talking about me all day.

[Sloonei]

Has there been a change in the nova case since yesterday, or is it still the same?

[wolbre04]

Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

Also, if the leader of Athens died, someone would take over the anon communication seamlessly. It says in the leader's post that he communicates through the host.

I believe the leader of each team is carried throughout the hierarchy if the top one dies?

[speedchuck]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem?

It's a solution.

I was under the impression that you’ve been pushing him as a suspect. Was that a mistake on my part. I see you are voting for quin now, and you said you could vote for nova out of self-preservation. Who’s your real top suspect?

It's clearly Sprityo.

I'm playing Process of Elimination here. Trying to sort people out.

[speedchuck]

I'm not going to be here for poll end, and I expect to spend the few minutes I have left today on The Genius. Lynch who you want.

[Sloonei]

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

It seems he’s become more serious. Is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem?

It's a solution.

I was under the impression that you’ve been pushing him as a suspect. Was that a mistake on my part. I see you are voting for quin now, and you said you could vote for nova out of self-preservation. Who’s your real top suspect?

It's clearly Sprityo.

I'm playing Process of Elimination here. Trying to sort people out.

This addresses none of my questions.

[Turnip Head]

My body is ready