Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Marmot]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

[dunya]

i know i've asked for this like 10 times but can someone link me to a baddie TH game?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Scotty[/mention]

I’ll address two things from that post.

1) I was messing with you when I said Speed was my scum buddy. When I defended Speed’s calculated GTH, I was serious.

2) When I said I’d tell you Speed’s real alignment on Day 6 this is what I meant: I hosted a game with Speedchuck as bad where he won (FE) and I replaced into a game as his scumbuddy (Pirates) and read the whole thing quickly and then worked with him to secure a win. I think I have a really good idea of what makes bad Speedchuck tick and I was confident that I’d be able to find him by Day 6 if he was really bad.

I think I’m capable of doing the same with several players (Silver Lantern, Sprityo, Nutella) and I’m less capable of doing it for others (Sloonei, Jay, Bob).

[Marmot]

i know i've asked for this like 10 times but can someone link me to a baddie TH game?

Coming right up.

[dunya]

There’s no way jack had a role check on day 1, which could have been a worthwhile explanation of his constant and often jilted stand-alone seedlings of speed guilt (speedlings, if you will)

How about that for a new case, based on dunya’s theory that a role such as speed’s would be great to bus gradually?

what if it started off as a joke, (it's not, speed srsly rolls scum more than anyone I've ever seen), then he did use a role check and speed came back bad?

anyway just saying that could have been it. but I don't see a heavy push against speed from Jack until Day 5 based on those posts you quoted.

[Jackofhearts2005]

1) I don’t understand why townies (do townies actually do this or is it scum and I don’t check afterwards) want to prevent scum from bussing their teammates. This happened in MK and caused Simon to be lynched 3 days after he was copped bad. I want to call this behavior acummy but I want people to weigh in

I'll explain myself...

If I was right about what you were doing, Jack, then lynching you before Speedchuck was the best move as town. If I successfully got you lynched yesterday and you were bad, then I could keep riding that wave to get Chucky lynched next.

But we lynched Chuck first and here we are... you have way more town cred now than you did yesterday, and my tinfoil loses its shine.

Hope that explains my thought process

The thought process makes sense but I disagree with you on a strategic level.

Daisy and Bob townread me before the Speed flip. You and Scotty scumread me before.

Those things haven’t changed.

[dunya]

2) When I said I’d tell you Speed’s real alignment on Day 6 this is what I meant: I hosted a game with Speedchuck as bad where he won (FE) and I replaced into a game as his scumbuddy (Pirates) and read the whole thing quickly and then worked with him to secure a win. I think I have a really good idea of what makes bad Speedchuck tick and I was confident that I’d be able to find him by Day 6 if he was really bad.

why by day 6 though? it would have been more convenient if ya'll had secured another mislynch yesterday and bussed speed by day 6? was that the plan? did it go wrong after you caught heat so you decided day 5 was bussing day?

i hate it when people give specific random numbers. you caught speed based on specifics (GTH 7 scum, but he named 8).

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

Not a chance.

Greatest to lease probability in my eyes:
Scotty/TH
w/t
t/t
t/w
w/w

[Turnip Head]

The thought process makes sense but I disagree with you on a strategic level.

Daisy and Bob townread me before the Speed flip. You and Scotty scumread me before.

Those things haven’t changed.

I don't get your point but oh well. I'm fine walking this tightrope with you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

2) When I said I’d tell you Speed’s real alignment on Day 6 this is what I meant: I hosted a game with Speedchuck as bad where he won (FE) and I replaced into a game as his scumbuddy (Pirates) and read the whole thing quickly and then worked with him to secure a win. I think I have a really good idea of what makes bad Speedchuck tick and I was confident that I’d be able to find him by Day 6 if he was really bad.

why by day 6 though? it would have been more convenient if ya'll had secured another mislynch yesterday and bussed speed by day 6? was that the plan? did it go wrong after you caught heat so you decided day 5 was bussing day?

i hate it when people give specific random numbers. you caught speed based on specifics (GTH 7 scum, but he named 8).

Day 6 is late game. I’d have him figured out by late game.

Took me 5 days of prodding Speed to realize he was actually bad. Not like I laid the groundwork for a gradual mislynch. I have maybe one post actually attacking Speed (for his rainbow) prior to yesterday. I didn’t like his reaction to it. That’s when the case really started.

Scotty’s missing some follow up posts to that where I don’t say “Speedchuck” or whatever he was searching for.

[Marmot]

TH as mafia

Harry Potter - TH was Zuo Ci in this game (which went under the sock Jane Southworth.
Hobbit Mafia - Replaced in as mafia from Day 5 onward (was civilian before that I think).
Film Directors - Again, replaced in on Day 9, so was only mafia from then on.
The Flash Mafia - A game involving a map and lots of BTSC (though mafia did not have BTSC).
World Reborn - Another game featuring map-based BTSC.

Of course, the most recent of these games took place over 2 years ago.

[dunya]

TH as mafia

Harry Potter - TH was Zuo Ci in this game (which went under the sock Jane Southworth.
Hobbit Mafia - Replaced in as mafia from Day 5 onward (was civilian before that I think).
Film Directors - Again, replaced in on Day 9, so was only mafia from then on.
The Flash Mafia - A game involving a map and lots of BTSC (though mafia did not have BTSC).
World Reborn - Another game featuring map-based BTSC.

Of course, the most recent of these games took place over 2 years ago.

Thank you

[Turnip Head]

TH as mafia

Harry Potter - TH was Zuo Ci in this game (which went under the sock Jane Southworth.
Hobbit Mafia - Replaced in as mafia from Day 5 onward (was civilian before that I think).
Film Directors - Again, replaced in on Day 9, so was only mafia from then on.
The Flash Mafia - A game involving a map and lots of BTSC (though mafia did not have BTSC).
World Reborn - Another game featuring map-based BTSC.

Of course, the most recent of these games took place over 2 years ago.

Oh this is fun.

[Marmot]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

Not a chance.

Greatest to lease probability in my eyes:
Scotty/TH
w/t
t/t
t/w
w/w

Why's that?

The reason I ask is that looking through TH's iso, he's had nary a serious thing to say to Scotty. I couldn't find a read of him. I couldn't find any Scotty analysis in there. I couldn't find any serious on-topic interactions between the two, or at least, I saw Scotty say something serious wherein Turnip Head would reply with a joke or banter.

[Marmot]

TH as mafia

Harry Potter - TH was Zuo Ci in this game (which went under the sock Jane Southworth.
Hobbit Mafia - Replaced in as mafia from Day 5 onward (was civilian before that I think).
Film Directors - Again, replaced in on Day 9, so was only mafia from then on.
The Flash Mafia - A game involving a map and lots of BTSC (though mafia did not have BTSC).
World Reborn - Another game featuring map-based BTSC.

Of course, the most recent of these games took place over 2 years ago.

Oh this is fun.

You kicked my butt in 3 of those games (and we were teammates in the other two).

[Jackofhearts2005]

If anyone tinfoil believes I poked Speedchuck all day until I actually started scumreading him, go take a look at how I treated Nutella in ME or Speed in Pirates. Or ask Bob if I’ve ever done something like that on the Realms.

If anything, I tend to avoid talking about my buddies (which is how I treated Speed and Nutella when we’re were teammates) because then I don’t have to lynch them or defend them.

[Marmot]

I'll have a townread of Jack until LYLO. Only then would I entertain the notion of lynching him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

Not a chance.

Greatest to lease probability in my eyes:
Scotty/TH
w/t
t/t
t/w
w/w

Why's that?

The reason I ask is that looking through TH's iso, he's had nary a serious thing to say to Scotty. I couldn't find a read of him. I couldn't find any Scotty analysis in there. I couldn't find any serious on-topic interactions between the two, or at least, I saw Scotty say something serious wherein Turnip Head would reply with a joke or banter.

They both defended burnt out Speed, who had an ability that triggered upon his lynch.

They have both kept on the idea that I’m actually bad from both before and after the Speed flip.

I can see Scotty doing this while town TH follows. There’s some inconsistency in when Scotty thinks I am bad and when he thinks I am 3P (and the question of why he’d want to lynch me if he was town and I was 3P).

I can maaaaaybe see scum TH and town Scotty. Scotty is trying, which can be but isn’t necessarily town indicative. TH could be along for the ride and hoping to mislynch.

And they could both be wrong town.

But that first scenario where they don’t bus the very busable Speed AND go all in on the suicide mission of trying to lynch me? Nah. I don’t see it.

[Turnip Head]

The reason I ask is that looking through TH's iso, he's had nary a serious thing to say to Scotty. I couldn't find a read of him. I couldn't find any Scotty analysis in there. I couldn't find any serious on-topic interactions between the two, or at least, I saw Scotty say something serious wherein Turnip Head would reply with a joke or banter.

I haven't said much about you either

And I hope I never have to

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have to work now. Get it done, townies.

[Marmot]

who are you callin a townie!

[Marmot]

Nah TH, I found four instances where you gave me serious responses.

I'm officially off the hook as your teammate.

Spoiler: show

ooo look there's 4 Choutas posts. @Marmot mot mebbeh you can decipher why they bother me

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

[/quote]

Golden retrieves my vote.
"pun intended"

[/quote]

********Line break to signify my own internal thought process changes to read further********

Wow that's unexpectedly cool.
This game is a behemoth but I'll try to chime in today.

Sloonei looks bad to me. How he jumped on the bandwagon because I voted for him the previous day.
I just don't like him at all.

and this is when i gave up on formatting

I'd be gunning for wolbre right now if Golden hadn't used his final word to tell me not to

I think wolbre's an Indy, what about you?

Well I thought I saw a slip but I'm the only one concerned about it so idk

Thanks, care to answer my other question now?

I completely missed your other question.

Have a rainbow of my mindset.

speedchuck
MacDougall
Golden
dunya
novaselinenever
Long Con
Scotty
Kylemii
Lunalee
wolbre04
Sloonei
Dom
Marmot
M Plus 7
Choutas
Kites / Quin
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy
Jackofhearts2005
Turnip Head
ColinIsCool

It's mutidimensional, too. I bolded people if I felt confident about their placement. This is based on a skim, and I feel like a third of the game isn't taking things seriously. Which is fun and all, but I can't do it, nor can I read it.

Looking at this insightful D2 rainbow again.

Note that lap/cbob is now in the orange, even though he hasn’t talked about cbob yet. And Quin(kites) is also in orange- he did talk about Quin and the “Quindar”. Again, I think this is a good look for Quin.

Note also that he bolded certain people. Seems kinda arbitrary. Dunno what that means.

He also lists nova as a strong town read with the likes of Mac. Why?

Marmot kinda stands out as the only yellow skittle

Yeah but Marmot gave himself an out there by saying "usually"

Evetybody towns different

(Supatown always gets killed tho)

[Turnip Head]

oops

[wolbre04]

Yesterday Review

Who are we planning to jump at

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
If she flips town I'm going after Coitus and Nova and TH

Yucky salad. Nobody was talking about these players except Nova.

Feels fake since he asked what we were doing and then did his own (soft) thing immediately after.

I don't care about the vote on me, but what's the relationship between Choutas, Nova and TH exactly -- why are they team compatible -- and why does my Towniness incriminate them?

confused. really confused.

At the time several ppl thought u might've been scum Dunya, as for Choctaw he was WFing, nova is funky, and TH was at the bottom of my rainbow, I said these names because they were all low in my list

[dunya]

why does me being town incriminate those 3?

[dunya]

why is TH at the bottom of your rainbow?

[dunya]

actually *was at the bottom of your rainbow. we don't wanna break any rules ey guys.

no rainbows this phase.

[Turnip Head]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] is either...

and MAFIA

or

.

perhaps more likely,
.

[Sloonei]

Whatcha guys talking about?

[Turnip Head]

Whatcha guys talking about?

ancient greece maybe youve heard of it

[wolbre04]

why does me being town incriminate those 3?

It didn't necessarily directly incriminate them, at the time of that post, I had made a rainbow with those people at the bottom of it. My point was that IF dunya was Mislynched, then I would go after the rest of the people at the bottom as well

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04 is either...

and MAFIA

or

.

perhaps more likely,
.

If I'm the brain we have seriously lost hope in humanity

[Scotty]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

Hey Marmot, whatdya think about me being not on the Persian team?

[dunya]

man, got so nostalgic seeing pinky and brain :'''(

[Scotty]

There’s no way jack had a role check on day 1, which could have been a worthwhile explanation of his constant and often jilted stand-alone seedlings of speed guilt (speedlings, if you will)

How about that for a new case, based on dunya’s theory that a role such as speed’s would be great to bus gradually?

what if it started off as a joke, (it's not, speed srsly rolls scum more than anyone I've ever seen), then he did use a role check and speed came back bad?

anyway just saying that could have been it. but I don't see a heavy push against speed from Jack until Day 5 based on those posts you quoted.

There is no change of pace or tone from D1 to D2 tho. If he got a red check back then don’t you think he would have ramped up his spitting on D2? I also am not willing to consider he saved the check until N4, because by then he’s already been calling speed bad every phase and he had to see that through anyway.

And to your second point: yes, that was my point and I thought your point. It was gradual until it wasn’t on day 5.

[Scotty]

2) When I said I’d tell you Speed’s real alignment on Day 6 this is what I meant: I hosted a game with Speedchuck as bad where he won (FE) and I replaced into a game as his scumbuddy (Pirates) and read the whole thing quickly and then worked with him to secure a win. I think I have a really good idea of what makes bad Speedchuck tick and I was confident that I’d be able to find him by Day 6 if he was really bad.

why by day 6 though? it would have been more convenient if ya'll had secured another mislynch yesterday and bussed speed by day 6? was that the plan? did it go wrong after you caught heat so you decided day 5 was bussing day?

i hate it when people give specific random numbers. you caught speed based on specifics (GTH 7 scum, but he named 8).

Day 6 is late game. I’d have him figured out by late game.

Took me 5 days of prodding Speed to realize he was actually bad. Not like I laid the groundwork for a gradual mislynch. I have maybe one post actually attacking Speed (for his rainbow) prior to yesterday. I didn’t like his reaction to it. That’s when the case really started.

Scotty’s missing some follow up posts to that where I don’t say “Speedchuck” or whatever he was searching for.

Spoiler: show

That is patently false, as my previous iso of you exhibited. You seemed demonstratively certain that speed was bad on D1 (and every phase thereafter)

[Jackofhearts2005]

man, got so nostalgic seeing pinky and brain :'''(

My favorite Pinky and the Brain episode is the one with Larry. The producers demanded an additional character so the writers shoehorned a new mouse in as awkwardly as possible, had him do absolutely nothing and included a monologue from the Brain about how Larry is totally unneeded and his presence ruins the show their plan to take over the world.

[dunya]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

[Scotty]

@Sloonei, care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

He hasn’t come on to defend me yet, ergo he either must be asleep or hasn’t caught up

[dunya]

oh cool i have 4k posts now

/killsself

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

I have no fresh reads, have barely followed along in the last week, and have minimal energy for mafia right now. Work is sucking the life out of me right now and when that happens I don’t enjoy playing mafia because I’m just stressed and irritated, and this stops being a fun use of my time. I’m sorry to everyone, I hope I can get back on track in a couple of days.

I’m slightly concerned about Quin. I’ve given him a long leash in this game becaus he subbed in and is hosting elsewhere, but it’s Day 6 now and, from what I can tell, he’s not really engaged much with the game. I pointed out that he often suspects me until I prove my innocence in games, but he’s mostly left me alone here. That worries me a little.

[dunya]

2) When I said I’d tell you Speed’s real alignment on Day 6 this is what I meant: I hosted a game with Speedchuck as bad where he won (FE) and I replaced into a game as his scumbuddy (Pirates) and read the whole thing quickly and then worked with him to secure a win. I think I have a really good idea of what makes bad Speedchuck tick and I was confident that I’d be able to find him by Day 6 if he was really bad.

why by day 6 though? it would have been more convenient if ya'll had secured another mislynch yesterday and bussed speed by day 6? was that the plan? did it go wrong after you caught heat so you decided day 5 was bussing day?

i hate it when people give specific random numbers. you caught speed based on specifics (GTH 7 scum, but he named 8).

Day 6 is late game. I’d have him figured out by late game.

Took me 5 days of prodding Speed to realize he was actually bad. Not like I laid the groundwork for a gradual mislynch. I have maybe one post actually attacking Speed (for his rainbow) prior to yesterday. I didn’t like his reaction to it. That’s when the case really started.

Scotty’s missing some follow up posts to that where I don’t say “Speedchuck” or whatever he was searching for.

Spoiler: show

That is patently false, as my previous iso of you exhibited. You seemed demonstratively certain that speed was bad on D1 (and every phase thereafter)

are you saying everything you said re: speed up until Day 5 was a joke, Jack? speed posted a rainbow list on day 2.

[dunya]

Sloonei, care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

I have no fresh reads, have barely followed along in the last week, and have minimal energy for mafia right now. Work is sucking the life out of me right now and when that happens I don’t enjoy playing mafia because I’m just stressed and irritated, and this stops being a fun use of my time. I’m sorry to everyone, I hope I can get back on track in a couple of days.

sorry sloon, don't wanna add to your burdens. this is just a game, play whenever you feel up to it, no pressure.

I’m slightly concerned about Quin. I’ve given him a long leash in this game becaus he subbed in and is hosting elsewhere, but it’s Day 6 now and, from what I can tell, he’s not really engaged much with the game. I pointed out that he often suspects me until I prove my innocence in games, but he’s mostly left me alone here. That worries me a little.

perhaps when you have a chance, and feel up to it, take a look at his most recent contributions and tell me more of how you feel, regardless of how he reads you. also, do you feel you haven't proven your innocence in this game yet?

[Sloonei]

I tried to vote in the poll and received an AJAX error. What the hell, bro?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

I have no fresh reads, have barely followed along in the last week, and have minimal energy for mafia right now. Work is sucking the life out of me right now and when that happens I don’t enjoy playing mafia because I’m just stressed and irritated, and this stops being a fun use of my time. I’m sorry to everyone, I hope I can get back on track in a couple of days.

sorry sloon, don't wanna add to your burdens. this is just a game, play whenever you feel up to it, no pressure.

I’m slightly concerned about Quin. I’ve given him a long leash in this game becaus he subbed in and is hosting elsewhere, but it’s Day 6 now and, from what I can tell, he’s not really engaged much with the game. I pointed out that he often suspects me until I prove my innocence in games, but he’s mostly left me alone here. That worries me a little.

perhaps when you have a chance, and feel up to it, take a look at his most recent contributions and tell me more of how you feel, regardless of how he reads you. also, do you feel you haven't proven your innocence in this game yet?

I don’t feel that Quin has satisfactorily assesed my innocence for himself. I give him a C-.

[Scotty]

Sloonei, care to offer some thoughts this day phase? you've kinda dwindled down.

I saw you questioned Quin earlier. how do you feel about Quin atm? he offered some perspectives and suspects. what do you make of him?

I have no fresh reads, have barely followed along in the last week, and have minimal energy for mafia right now. Work is sucking the life out of me right now and when that happens I don’t enjoy playing mafia because I’m just stressed and irritated, and this stops being a fun use of my time. I’m sorry to everyone, I hope I can get back on track in a couple of days.

I’m slightly concerned about Quin. I’ve given him a long leash in this game becaus he subbed in and is hosting elsewhere, but it’s Day 6 now and, from what I can tell, he’s not really engaged much with the game. I pointed out that he often suspects me until I prove my innocence in games, but he’s mostly left me alone here. That worries me a little.

i feel that man. I feel you. Sometimes it just feels like a necessity rather than a pleasure. My break worked wonders on my mind and I can see why I enjoyed time apart from this site to reconnect with the world in my immediate vicinity.

It should be fun, don’t stress.

[Marmot]

Hey Jack, whatdya think about a Scotty/TH team?

Hey Marmot, whatdya think about me being not on the Persian team?

ok

[dunya]

don't leave us Scotty! we love playing with you!

[Scotty]

don't leave us Scotty! we love playing with you!

lol I’m just saying that breaks are healthy for recharging. I feel guilty coming on here when my gf wants to spend quality time and I should want to spend quality time. But I also want to win games.

Can’t we have quality winning time? Is that too much to ask?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]dunya[/mention]

“Realize” is a bad choice of words considering the attention I paid Speed.

A better wording would have been “be sure.”